I was a complete and total slacker N2 and N3 and did not do any rereading or analysis, but I'm pretty solidly at:
Town
Tom
Highroller
LnG
Eco
Vaimes
Rhand Scum
Are we at a point where a massclaim (or pseudo-massclaim) would be a good idea? HR's already claimed and Tom doesn't need to claim, imo. If we decide to go that direction, I'm happy to go first/near the start, but I want Rhand to also be near the start.
@Vaimes: Why not Rhand? And what are you talking about with "JK it's two coins, not one"?
I changed my mind about Rhand knowing GJ's role being scum theater. Though I haven't been the most confident in my reads after flopping in Ghostbusters.
Riku needed two coins to block; I thought he needed one.
Kiiinda think GJ was telling the truth about scum having no other PRs (though I don't know why he'd reveal any information about the scumteam, even to complain), so whoever the other role is will be pretty much autocleared.
My guess is it's Eco, but there's a small chance it's LnGR, in which case I'd unvote.
Ohhh, I just remembered a question I had from literally forever ago.
Eco, was there a reason you were capitalizing your Q's on Day 1? I don't know if you were doing it for all instances, but I remember noticing it at least three times and thought it might be a crumb or something. That + your general desire for coins.
Mugging (roleblock): Once per game you may pay an unsavory associate of yours 1 coin to prevent a player of your choosing from taking any actions that night.
Uh. That’s super unclear, because I’m reading unsavory associate as a flavor thing. Like the coin disappears, but flavor-wise you’re paying someone to do the blocking. Not literally giving a coin to a vanilla scumbuddy so that they can block someone.
Kiiinda think GJ was telling the truth about scum having no other PRs (though I don't know why he'd reveal any information about the scumteam, even to complain), so whoever the other role is will be pretty much autocleared.
My guess is it's Eco, but there's a small chance it's LnGR, in which case I'd unvote.
Lngr would make no sense if scum really has no power with the way he started the game.
It must be Eco or Cantrip.
If tom is scum, he is going to be exposed when he doesn’t die.
Sure. I mean, scum!Tom could argue they are leaving him alive and hope to win on WIFOM; that's his best play. But Occam's Razor says he is likely town, and I am trying to play this game without crippling WIFOM paranoia
Ohhh, I just remembered a question I had from literally forever ago.
Eco, was there a reason you were capitalizing your Q's on Day 1? I don't know if you were doing it for all instances, but I remember noticing it at least three times and thought it might be a crumb or something. That + your general desire for coins.
It was indeed a breadcrumb - I'm Desmond Reynolds, a Quartermaster (which is what the Q in James Bond actually stands for). Each Night for the cost of one coin I can give a player a random, one-shot item. On N1 I targeted Cheesecake and he got a watch shot, and I haven't managed to get any coins since then.
My PoE is down to Rhand or Cantrip. I find it very hard to believe that scum LnGrrrR would do his blatant fishing/soft claim thing.
Vote Rhand. His reaction to both scum reveals was a kind of stunned scepticism that imo looks like someone who didn't want to lynch his budddies but couldn't find a reason not to.
I sent a message to Tom last night, though not sure if it matters. I asked Grape if we could target multiple people a night if we had extra coins, but got a big fat no.
A roleblocker/tracker, a likely protective role, and apparently a ******* inventor who gives track shots against two goons with a singleton roleblocker, plus whatever tom is claiming to be. Our only ******* power role, who proceeded to do **** all until vezok came, and then just drew a bunch of suspicion). Oh, and he can't even muster the emotion to rage like he does every game EVEN when he had a legit excuse to chew tom out because of WHAT ******* HAPPENED TO HIM THE LAST TIME HE WAS PUSHED AS AN INVESTIGATIVE CLAIM. IT WOULDNT HAVE EVEN BEEN THAT HARD TO FAKE. I just had to hint it 5000 times because in addition to having ***** for power, WE DONT EVEN HAVE DAY CHAT. What a bunch of *****.
I have never seen such a blatantly unbalanced game in my life, since that one ******* mini that was secretly multiball with one of the wolf teams having a double voter and that's just from the roles I know are out there. Probably at least one more role or two out there because what the **** is the point of giving coins on lynch with a competitive nature of who gets what coins and who is a power role. Oh, and because Riku takes a 1-9 shot, I get ******* outed when I probably could have mustered a mislynch or 2 before getting caught (but whatever, because I probably don't live past day 3 anyway since every single game I have been town, I get shot night 1, even if my reads are completely ******* off).
W.e, sorry wolfbuddy. gl trying to wade through all this garbage.
GJ is a player that believes in honour.
I was baffled when I first saw this post because it townclears too many people, which GJ would never do to his buddy.
Which means it must be theatre. There is a lie in there somewhere.
Vezok’s role is extremely weak with all the coins he needs. GJ is vanilla. Scum 3 just has to be power.
My money is on Eco being scum inventor, using his first shot on a townread for the cred, while his team kills the townie so he can’t use it.
Town having a tracker + whatever tom is claiming + an inventor handing out more investigative shots is ridiculous.
I am also Rich vanilla Town. Appiah Nzema, flavor being there are lots of spies in Africa.
...and I was like, lolwut? Because I'm Harold Baines, Rich Vanilla Town. I thought I was GJ's town counterpart, but apparently there's VT (as proven by Shadow's flip) and then there's Rich VT. (Haha, "rich". I joked with Grape about that term when the game started and he said it was a placeholder term that made it into the final setup. XD) I started with one coin, gained another D1, used one on a burner phone N1, and still have one because I'm a slacker. I was trying to draw the NK by faking a posting restriction: pretending to be Canadian, I said "eh" in every post (Eco can confirm that this was the "secret" I sent him in my N1 message). I unfortunately missed a few posts, though, so I don't know if scum didn't go after me because I failed, because my reads were terrible, or because they just had higher priority targets N1. N2 and N3 they obviously had bigger problems than me (Tom/Ruma).
Eco, was there a reason you were capitalizing your Q's on Day 1? I don't know if you were doing it for all instances, but I remember noticing it at least three times and thought it might be a crumb or something. That + your general desire for coins.
I noticed this too! It was in the notes I sent to Eco, but I redacted it when I published them in-thread. This is a slight +town for Vaimes, imo, as he noticed both this and my "eh" aspect, but neither Eco nor I were targeted for a NK (barring the blocked N2 attempt).
It was indeed a breadcrumb - I'm Desmond Reynolds, a Quartermaster (which is what the Q in James Bond actually stands for). Each Night for the cost of one coin I can give a player a random, one-shot item. On N1 I targeted Cheesecake and he got a watch shot, and I haven't managed to get any coins since then.
Why weren't you more adamant about being on the lynch wagon each day/at least try harder to make that happen?
GJ is a player that believes in honour.
I was baffled when I first saw this post because it townclears too many people, which GJ would never do to his buddy.
Which means it must be theatre. There is a lie in there somewhere.
Vezok’s role is extremely weak with all the coins he needs. GJ is vanilla. Scum 3 just has to be power.
My money is on Eco being scum inventor, using his first shot on a townread for the cred, while his team kills the townie so he can’t use it.
Town having a tracker + whatever tom is claiming + an inventor handing out more investigative shots is ridiculous.
I agree that the balance of the game is off based on what we know, but I think it's wifom to just assume it's Eco. You could be fakeclaiming following GJ's template or LnG could be fakeclaiming by following your lead.
I need to do some due diligence and actually look at interactions/mindsets. Lynch preference at this point still starts with Rhand but then goes Eco, then LnG, I think. Pretty sure we've got it no matter what, but it's always nicer to get it right than to be wrong multiple times. (Not sure how much my continued tunnel on Rhand is my desire to be right on him and right on Eco...)
Oh, and not that it matters, I don't think, but GJ lied when he said Grape told him that burner phone usage wouldn't be watchable/trackable. Grape confirmed with me that a watcher/tracker/motion detector would see someone using a burner phone.
Small chance tom is actually playing the long con, if the last scum really is a PR.
I thought about that, too, (especially with both Vez and GJ raging) but it's just so...extraneous. There are so many other ways he could have worked toward a win as scum, and while it is Tom and therefore he could have just set himself a challenge for the lulz, it doesn't feel that way. If he is scum, a) he almost certainly gets my vote for scum play of 2019, and b) we ded.
@Cantrip, fwiw, I crumbled my role by saying I wanted to be Moneypenny. Also, the whole reason I asked about donation was because I started off with a coin. Plus, if I was scum, I would just put vanilla town. It really makes no sense for me to follow Rhand there.
@Cantrip, fwiw, I crumbled my role by saying I wanted to be Moneypenny. Also, the whole reason I asked about donation was because I started off with a coin. Plus, if I was scum, I would just put vanilla town. It really makes no sense for me to follow Rhand there.
Well, FWIW, I don't think you're scum. But if you were, following Rhand there (absent my claim) could be a way for you to detract from the idea of his role being a counterpart to GJ's and keep him in the PoE.
I'm very surprised that there's (apparently) no thief role in this game (or anything that transfers coins from one player to another). Feels like a logical avenue of setup design to utilize. (I also join you in being a bit confused by the "high complexity" designation for this game, but both of those questions are better posed in post-game discussion.)
I don’t really think Rhand is scum.
Highroller/cantrip vanilla town, spewed by dead scum
Vaimes left his scumrange a month ago
Lngrr feels town, eco makes good posts
vote rhand
Town
Tom
Highroller
LnG
Eco
Vaimes
Rhand
Scum
Are we at a point where a massclaim (or pseudo-massclaim) would be a good idea? HR's already claimed and Tom doesn't need to claim, imo. If we decide to go that direction, I'm happy to go first/near the start, but I want Rhand to also be near the start.
@Vaimes: Why not Rhand? And what are you talking about with "JK it's two coins, not one"?
Riku needed two coins to block; I thought he needed one.
If GJ was telling the truth and scum only have one PR (lol), town having more than three would be pretty overkill.
I’m GJ’s town counterpart. I sent Highroller a message last Night to prove I started with 1 coin.
Claiming the same role as your flipped buddy doesn't happen.
Vote LnGR
I need to do some homework; this is just a hunch.
Kiiinda think GJ was telling the truth about scum having no other PRs (though I don't know why he'd reveal any information about the scumteam, even to complain), so whoever the other role is will be pretty much autocleared.
My guess is it's Eco, but there's a small chance it's LnGR, in which case I'd unvote.
Eco, was there a reason you were capitalizing your Q's on Day 1? I don't know if you were doing it for all instances, but I remember noticing it at least three times and thought it might be a crumb or something. That + your general desire for coins.
Because I was pretty sure he was going to be alive toDay
Could be.
Meh
I think you’re tunneling Rhand. Go over reasons again, with flips taken into account?
We can lynch rhand, eco, and lngrr. Think that always wins
Lynching me helps no one.
Town:
Tom (counterlaim)
Lean town:
Vaimes (meta)
Highroller (interactions)
Should claim:
Lngrr
Probable last scum:
Cantrip
Eco
Lngr would make no sense if scum really has no power with the way he started the game.
It must be Eco or Cantrip.
“Oh my role isn’t super complicated.”
Still wondering where the complexity is coming from.
I think the attack from Vezok on Rhand was real. I don't see Vezok jumping on Rhand AND GJ.
Gut feeling, I don't think it is Cantrip. He has interacted with a bunch of people. And I don't think scum!Cantrip and scum!GJ both jump on me early.
Eco doesn't have a ton of interactions and is my best guess for today.
If Tom is scum, then he is going to win this game.
I might look at Vaimes if it gets to lylo, but that would probably be paranoia.
I don't see scum!Vezok hardcore defending scum!Highroller. I also don't see scum!GJ and scum!HR having that fight.
TOWN
Me
Tom
Vaimes
Highroller
Rhand
Cantrip
Eco
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Sure. I mean, scum!Tom could argue they are leaving him alive and hope to win on WIFOM; that's his best play. But Occam's Razor says he is likely town, and I am trying to play this game without crippling WIFOM paranoia
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
It was indeed a breadcrumb - I'm Desmond Reynolds, a Quartermaster (which is what the Q in James Bond actually stands for). Each Night for the cost of one coin I can give a player a random, one-shot item. On N1 I targeted Cheesecake and he got a watch shot, and I haven't managed to get any coins since then.
My PoE is down to Rhand or Cantrip. I find it very hard to believe that scum LnGrrrR would do his blatant fishing/soft claim thing.
Vote Rhand. His reaction to both scum reveals was a kind of stunned scepticism that imo looks like someone who didn't want to lynch his budddies but couldn't find a reason not to.
Speaking of which, we have a scum RB and a town RB, a rich scum and a poor scum... And then Tom and Eco. Hmm.
@Eco, why cheesecake?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
GJ is a player that believes in honour.
I was baffled when I first saw this post because it townclears too many people, which GJ would never do to his buddy.
Which means it must be theatre. There is a lie in there somewhere.
Vezok’s role is extremely weak with all the coins he needs. GJ is vanilla. Scum 3 just has to be power.
My money is on Eco being scum inventor, using his first shot on a townread for the cred, while his team kills the townie so he can’t use it.
Town having a tracker + whatever tom is claiming + an inventor handing out more investigative shots is ridiculous.
vote Eco
I think I remember a Vezok/Eco interaction I saw that pinged me. When my sick son stops clinging to me I will look it up.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
He also tried to convince you at some point to not vote GJ.
Also for a long time he called Shadow/Rhand/GJ the team without pushing GJ.
I got the answer that he can’t confirm that.
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
I think Rhand is right.
Inventor/RB+Tracker/tom against RB+Cop/2 Rich Goons makes no sense, especially since it doesn’t say scum can trade coins to help their PR buddy.
GJ was probably just trying to shade the other Vanilla claims.
Unvote, vote Eco
...and I was like, lolwut? Because I'm Harold Baines, Rich Vanilla Town. I thought I was GJ's town counterpart, but apparently there's VT (as proven by Shadow's flip) and then there's Rich VT. (Haha, "rich". I joked with Grape about that term when the game started and he said it was a placeholder term that made it into the final setup. XD) I started with one coin, gained another D1, used one on a burner phone N1, and still have one because I'm a slacker. I was trying to draw the NK by faking a posting restriction: pretending to be Canadian, I said "eh" in every post (Eco can confirm that this was the "secret" I sent him in my N1 message). I unfortunately missed a few posts, though, so I don't know if scum didn't go after me because I failed, because my reads were terrible, or because they just had higher priority targets N1. N2 and N3 they obviously had bigger problems than me (Tom/Ruma).
I noticed this too! It was in the notes I sent to Eco, but I redacted it when I published them in-thread. This is a slight +town for Vaimes, imo, as he noticed both this and my "eh" aspect, but neither Eco nor I were targeted for a NK (barring the blocked N2 attempt).
Why weren't you more adamant about being on the lynch wagon each day/at least try harder to make that happen?
I agree that the balance of the game is off based on what we know, but I think it's wifom to just assume it's Eco. You could be fakeclaiming following GJ's template or LnG could be fakeclaiming by following your lead.
I need to do some due diligence and actually look at interactions/mindsets. Lynch preference at this point still starts with Rhand but then goes Eco, then LnG, I think. Pretty sure we've got it no matter what, but it's always nicer to get it right than to be wrong multiple times. (Not sure how much my continued tunnel on Rhand is my desire to be right on him and right on Eco...)
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
For accountability purposes.
I'm very surprised that there's (apparently) no thief role in this game (or anything that transfers coins from one player to another). Feels like a logical avenue of setup design to utilize. (I also join you in being a bit confused by the "high complexity" designation for this game, but both of those questions are better posed in post-game discussion.)