If the only options on the table are Highroller and Riku, I'd vote Highroller because a) Riku claimed power, HR claimed Vanilla and b) If I am wrong about HR being town then I'm probably also wrong about Shadow being scum. I'm not thrilled at the idea of picking between two people I have town reads on, but my Shadow wagon isn't looking super popular at the moment.
I’ll move to Ruma to prevent a no lynch, but will stay on highroller otherwise. I agree that vez should be the hammered, everyone specifically needs to ensure this can happen.
Eh, I'm not as worried about that right now since Vezok claimed cop. Unless Riku is doctor, Vezok would be the main target toNight. But I'll let the rest of town figure out how they want to go between Highroller/Vezok.
(This just in: instead of scrambling at deadline and potentially No Lynching on this godawful two-week-phases forum, we could just...hammer someone today. I don't understand trying to time it perfectly so that we have a lynch /exactly/ when the clock runs to 0.)
i think lynching the most active player on d1 is dumb. i think he has potential to be a wolf, but i also don't think he's w/w with cantripmancer, who i think has a reasonable shot at being a wolf himself - i'd rather have another day to sort that out before committing to lynch someone who is super active, and at least vaguely competent.
i mean, he's not wrong. i have a strong opposition to lynching a top poster on d1 - even if they are a wolf, constantly force them to take stances and it'll be easier to catch their team off their posts if they do get lynched at some point slash will be more obvious. there's a negative expected value hit for lynching an active player if they happen to be town, and i don't think he's such a slam dunk wolf that it's an easy lynch call
and i also don't think that's a real thought from you that it's actually wolf indicative, just something you can attack to bandwagon on
"Anyone: This is wifom in general, but lynching me as the most active player is kind of just dumb day one especially."
No. Just no.
vote: shadow
Yes, it really is. Even if it wasn’t me this would be the case. Also, do you actually think scum!me would take the time to defend you and not push you?
@Vaimes: I think Tom’s Vote is dumb, and he seems to be trying to avoid the highroller wagon.
"Anyone: This is wifom in general, but lynching me as the most active player is kind of just dumb day one especially."
No. Just no.
vote: shadow
Yes, it really is. Even if it wasn’t me this would be the case. Also, do you actually think scum!me would take the time to defend you and not push you?
@Vaimes: I think Tom’s Vote is dumb, and he seems to be trying to avoid the highroller wagon.
So you think he’s scum.
I can’t recall your reads but I’m like, somewhat certain tom is somewhere in the middle for you? Does this move him down more?
If highroller flips scum I would definitely give Tom some side eyes. I don’t think avoiding a wagon is absolutely a scumtell for Tom, but not voting for buddies is.
i don't think shadow has enough support to happen, but i could be wrong. think it's gonna be between riku and highroller. i prefer riku i think, but i currently have highroller's banned mafia game up in another tab reading through his iso there
tom, vaimes, if either of you are still around, could you do the same thing and tell me what you think?
obviously the mass claim thing is different, but i don't care about that at all, read on past that to when actual game starts, and tell me what you see, and if it differs or is similar to his play in this game
Rhand/vez scum still vibes a lot more to me than any of ruma/shadow/highroller. So im more watching them and the people i think are town than trying to sort through the wagons on their own merits
Vez is pretty much a non-starter today though. Re: Rhand, if you were to ignore his "You called me scum" OMGUS attack on you, do you still see a lot of scumminess from that slot? Could you lay out the case better?
As for gj read. Not super into talking about it but if i fully understood it all its a read scum are more likely to make but less likely to vocalize when they do. So i can see you thinking its not a route wolves are likely to take but dont think its more than a percentage point or two and barely care about it
@lngrr
Vez is scum claiming a role that buys him 2 days. Doesnt mean i want to lynch an unCCed cop d1 (nor do i want a CC tbh), but im still watching his votes closely
Rhand is scum still mainly for progression on me, which he doesnt actually have...
But the rest of his stances you can also watch morphing based on thread opinion of him/those people and its just an extremely scummy interaction with thread flow.
neither one of those are happening d1 anyways, and we have like 9 hours until end of day
should table this for d2, just couldn't help myself for a minute
prioritize what i asked regarding comparing highrollers gameplay from the banned mafia, outside of the claim stuff at the start. basically, look at his mid-late d1 vs. his mid-late d1 here, and see what you think
i've read through highroller's iso in banned mafia, and i wanted to get more thoughts on that, but running out of time
it really reads different than his posting here - there's more questions, there's more like, comments and thoughts on things that are happening unrelated to him, and it just actually feels like he's participating in the game instead of just responding to and attacking people who suspect him
i dunno
the context is obviously a little bit different, in that he wasn't on the back foot and defensive immediately, and wasn't playing catchup after missing a chunk of the start of d1, but he displayed the kind of things there that i've been trying to get him to do here, so it's not a case of being incapable of talking about things happening in the game other than himself
which i guess makes it a little more likely that he's just a wolf here who is struggling to actually give fake reads, maybe
there's still some things that make me think he could be town, but at this stage i'm not sure if it's not just me playing devil's advocate with myself
what does it mean that highroller is voting lngrr instead of one of the competing wagons with him? is the lack of self-preservation here towny in nature coming from someone who has exclusively defended? idk. maybe?
Highroller (3): Shadow, rhand, tom
Shadow (3): Eco, Cantrip, ruma
Rumanshi (2): cheese, lngrr
Vez (1): GJ
Lngrr (1): Highroller
Rhand (1): vezok
Not voting (1): vaimes
we need 7 to lynch. day ends in 6 hours.
unvote ; vote: highroller
my preference is riku > highroller >>> shadow of the 3 wagons with multiple votes. i'll be back about 30-45 minutes before deadline, and will 100% swap back to riku if there are sufficient votes there at that time. for now, i need to get some sleep
Shadow scum for waking up to comment on the disappearing ruma wagon
-_-
Mostly that was a “I’m present and will be checking the thread until deadline, here’s where I stand” post. I’m obviously please with highroller being the frontrunning wagon.
My preference is Shadow >>> Highroller >>>>>>>>> Ruma; I will only vote Ruma to prevent no lynch. Sorry that I didn't have time to really extrapolate on Shadow.
Anyone: This is wifom in general, but lynching me as the most active player is kind of just dumb day one especially.
Your argument is bad and you should feel bad. It *might* be "dumb" for the overall state of the game, but if you're scum, it's good because the longer you're allowed to live the more you get to obfuscate things.
I'm feeling better about Cheesecake; worse about Tom.
I'm busy, but I will be on through deadline. Vote stands on Shadow for now.
@Eco, not ruling out another wagon, but... better to figure that out sooner rather than later.
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I’ll move to Ruma to prevent a no lynch, but will stay on highroller otherwise. I agree that vez should be the hammered, everyone specifically needs to ensure this can happen.
Assuming the deadline is in 25 hours I will be here up until the deadline.
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Rumanshi (4): cheese, tom, lngrr, vezok
Highroller (3): Shadow, vaimes, rhand
Shadow (2): Eco, Cantrip
Vez (1): GJ
Lngrr (1): Highroller
Ecophagy (1): Ruma
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
Scum for having the towniest looking wagon
Rumanshi (3): cheese, lngrr, vezok
Highroller (3): Shadow, vaimes, rhand
Shadow (3): Eco, Cantrip, tom
Vez (1): GJ
Lngrr (1): Highroller
Ecophagy (1): Ruma
Deadline ~24 hours
I got off work early so I'll be around until deadline, excluding sleepy time.
Unvote, vote shadow
Anyone: This is wifom in general, but lynching me as the most active player is kind of just dumb day one especially.
How do you feel about tom’s vote?
No. Just no.
vote: shadow
and i also don't think that's a real thought from you that it's actually wolf indicative, just something you can attack to bandwagon on
Unvote
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@Vaimes: I think Tom’s Vote is dumb, and he seems to be trying to avoid the highroller wagon.
I can’t recall your reads but I’m like, somewhat certain tom is somewhere in the middle for you? Does this move him down more?
Will post a VC in a few hours when I'm back on my laptop. Finally back to consistent phone signal.
vote highroller
Rumanshi (3): cheese, lngrr, vezok
Highroller (3): Shadow, rhand, tom
Shadow (3): Eco, Cantrip, ruma
Vez (1): GJ
Lngrr (1): Highroller
Not voting (1): vaimes
i don't think shadow has enough support to happen, but i could be wrong. think it's gonna be between riku and highroller. i prefer riku i think, but i currently have highroller's banned mafia game up in another tab reading through his iso there
tom, vaimes, if either of you are still around, could you do the same thing and tell me what you think?
obviously the mass claim thing is different, but i don't care about that at all, read on past that to when actual game starts, and tell me what you see, and if it differs or is similar to his play in this game
you think vez is fakeclaiming cop here?
what do you think about why i think rhand is town - the back and forth i had with him regarding his gj town read? - starting at post #286 (https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/804103-secret-agent-mafia-day-1-international-men-and?comment=286 for the lazy), just read through that exchange
Vez is pretty much a non-starter today though. Re: Rhand, if you were to ignore his "You called me scum" OMGUS attack on you, do you still see a lot of scumminess from that slot? Could you lay out the case better?
Club Flamingo Wins: 1!
No flavor. Have a ridiculous Bond video instead:
Rumanshi (3): cheese, lngrr, vezok
Highroller (3): Shadow, rhand, tom
Shadow (3): Eco, Cantrip, ruma
Vez (1): GJ
Lngrr (1): Highroller
Not voting (1): vaimes
Deadline is at 3pm eastern in approximately 9 hours. I will not be online immediately at that time but will provide EoD as soon as I can
@lngrr
Vez is scum claiming a role that buys him 2 days. Doesnt mean i want to lynch an unCCed cop d1 (nor do i want a CC tbh), but im still watching his votes closely
Rhand is scum still mainly for progression on me, which he doesnt actually have...
But the rest of his stances you can also watch morphing based on thread opinion of him/those people and its just an extremely scummy interaction with thread flow.
should table this for d2, just couldn't help myself for a minute
prioritize what i asked regarding comparing highrollers gameplay from the banned mafia, outside of the claim stuff at the start. basically, look at his mid-late d1 vs. his mid-late d1 here, and see what you think
Highroller can be scum though. This amount of [omgus and nothing else] looks like a strategy to me
I'm conflicted and don't know if I should move or not.
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Let's try and see what happens. I will be here at the deadline to hammer though.
vote rhand
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day ends in about 6 hours
zero chance we get a lynch on rhand in that time span
it really reads different than his posting here - there's more questions, there's more like, comments and thoughts on things that are happening unrelated to him, and it just actually feels like he's participating in the game instead of just responding to and attacking people who suspect him
i dunno
the context is obviously a little bit different, in that he wasn't on the back foot and defensive immediately, and wasn't playing catchup after missing a chunk of the start of d1, but he displayed the kind of things there that i've been trying to get him to do here, so it's not a case of being incapable of talking about things happening in the game other than himself
which i guess makes it a little more likely that he's just a wolf here who is struggling to actually give fake reads, maybe
there's still some things that make me think he could be town, but at this stage i'm not sure if it's not just me playing devil's advocate with myself
Shadow (3): Eco, Cantrip, ruma
Rumanshi (2): cheese, lngrr
Vez (1): GJ
Lngrr (1): Highroller
Rhand (1): vezok
Not voting (1): vaimes
we need 7 to lynch. day ends in 6 hours.
unvote ; vote: highroller
my preference is riku > highroller >>> shadow of the 3 wagons with multiple votes. i'll be back about 30-45 minutes before deadline, and will 100% swap back to riku if there are sufficient votes there at that time. for now, i need to get some sleep
Shadow scum for waking up to comment on the disappearing ruma wagon
Mostly that was a “I’m present and will be checking the thread until deadline, here’s where I stand” post. I’m obviously please with highroller being the frontrunning wagon.
My preference is Shadow >>> Highroller >>>>>>>>> Ruma; I will only vote Ruma to prevent no lynch. Sorry that I didn't have time to really extrapolate on Shadow.
Your argument is bad and you should feel bad. It *might* be "dumb" for the overall state of the game, but if you're scum, it's good because the longer you're allowed to live the more you get to obfuscate things.
I'm feeling better about Cheesecake; worse about Tom.
I'm busy, but I will be on through deadline. Vote stands on Shadow for now.
FYI, Shadow, if HR flips scum, I'm just going to assume you aggressively bussed the bejeebers out of him.