@Grape: I kinda can squint and buy that you believe that Ruma is doing his whole Nana nana thing, I just don’t think it’s as AI as you think. He still might be town, especially if Deuce is scum.
Anyways, I have stuff i need to catch up on for not, Ill be absent for a couple of days
Well given the deadline is in 48 hours that is unfortunate. I get it with it being Christmas and all it's just not great.
I feel like we've lynched the inevitable zone. Short of someone making a hail Mary case it's going to be Deuce with him peacing out. If he flips scum I'm not sure where I'd go next but if he flips town I'd take a long hard look at Shadow.
I’m not too much of a hunter but at least I can provide some data points or stir some up by making posts.
Vote Ruma
Ruma had no content until put onto L-1 and even after content doesn’t have any sustanance to it. Putting back into L-1. Ruma is what, 5 or so of the 90 posts and most are page 2?
Sorry about not posting too much. I’m always watching the game but sometimes I just don’t have anything relevant to post.
There isn't much in Cethers ISO. This post is a fun see what you want to see post though. When I was skimming through their posts I just nodded "pressuring Ruma with solid reasoning." but then it could also just be hopping onto a hit wagon for superficial reasons.
I still have a gut town read on Cether but I am definitely reevaluating after this.
More importantly, while I thank you for the mafia primer, when I asked how you planned to sort people, I was asking how you were going to scumhunt this game. If your answer to that is "push for a wagon/lots of votes on a person until they are forced to defend themselves so I can decide if their defense is town or scum", then why aren't you doing that?
I really havent found much reason to blame someone.
Until now... I didnt realize that one is being much more silent than the others.
Um... yeah. I see that your "********y fashion" is your "style", but we would like to try to progress, whether you are town or scum
These 3 posts are the crux of my vote. It just doesn't feel like a town progression. I'm worried it might be a cultural thing but I just don't think that first post is a town one. The performative "ohh look at this low poster." bit doesn't feel real to me.
This is a big reason why I have Infinity rated at the bottom of my mafia/town list.
Rumanshi and Infinity are my picks for lynch today.
Once we’re done talking for the day I am ready to swap my vote over to Infinity and end the day.
Anyways, I have stuff i need to catch up on for not, Ill be absent for a couple of days
Well given the deadline is in 48 hours that is unfortunate. I get it with it being Christmas and all it's just not great.
I feel like we've lynched the inevitable zone. Short of someone making a hail Mary case it's going to be Deuce with him peacing out. If he flips scum I'm not sure where I'd go next but if he flips town I'd take a long hard look at Shadow.
Wait why? I spent much of the day trying to convince you to help me lynch Ruma. -_-
"Rock beats scissors, scissors beats paper, paper beats rock. Some say that is how the game ends; I say that is only where it begins."
-Dennis Tyler, player, 1956
No one has died!
It is now day 2
With 6 alive, its 4 to lynch
Day 2 deadline january 6th
I guess it doesn't hurt to share with the class. My ability is that on a Win I protect my target (doctor) on a Draw I bodyguard my target and on a loss nothing. I said I preferred draw because it gives a body while protecting someone more important than me.
Isint doctoring a target better because that’s a save but body guarding is a save at the cost of your own life?
In a micro it doesn't prove anything though. And it alone doesn't buy an extra mislynch. We still only have 1 mislynch now after my protect. We just now also get a no lynch and extra night actions.
I guess it doesn't hurt to share with the class. My ability is that on a Win I protect my target (doctor) on a Draw I bodyguard my target and on a loss nothing. I said I preferred draw because it gives a body while protecting someone more important than me.
Well, THAT's interesting. I guess I need to wait until Shadow, Manasi, and Ruma check in, then. Without going into any detail, I can say that if Grape is telling the truth, his ability was NOT why we didn't have a NK.
I'm currently rereading and taking notes; I'll plan on sharing further thoughts once everyone has checked in.
@Cether: In a game this size, I would find it very odd to have more than one town protective role; if you're a protective role, counter claiming Grape would be, imo, a game-ender.
Interesting. Time to wait and see then. I fully expected on of Cantrip or myself to die today so I haven't looked at anything yet. Time to reread and wait.
I guess it doesn't hurt to share with the class. My ability is that on a Win I protect my target (doctor) on a Draw I bodyguard my target and on a loss nothing. I said I preferred draw because it gives a body while protecting someone more important than me.
Well, THAT's interesting. I guess I need to wait until Shadow, Manasi, and Ruma check in, then. Without going into any detail, I can say that if Grape is telling the truth, his ability was NOT why we didn't have a NK.
Will you share why if Grape did protect you, it’s not the reason we had a nightkill, when everyone checks in?
@Cether: In a game this size, I would find it very odd to have more than one town protective role; if you're a protective role, counter claiming Grape would be, imo, a game-ender.
I am not a protective role, I just thought that keeping two people alive via doctor would be strictly better than losing the bodyguard.
@Grape: In your #139, isn't that kind of plan dependent upon a large number of players having confirmable roles? If so, what makes you think it likely that we have a lot of confirmable roles?
@Cether: I'll share generally why I know that it's not the reason we didn't have a NK; I know that Grape didn't win, and neither he nor I died.
@Grape: In your #139, isn't that kind of plan dependent upon a large number of players having confirmable roles? If so, what makes you think it likely that we have a lot of confirmable roles?
@Cether: I'll share generally why I know that it's not the reason we didn't have a NK; I know that Grape didn't win, and neither he nor I died.
Could have just picked scissors and had a grand old time BUT NO I GUESS NOT.
Shadow is just scum here isn't he? His reluctance at my Ruma "clear would make so much sense in a "I'm bussing ID into the ground for credit" world. As does his vote sticking on Ruma when in 111 he listed Deuce as more likely scum. FoS: Shadow
@Cantrip on my plan it doesn't require a ton of confirmables. 1 or 2 should be enough. The confirmation comes from the targeting and people knowing if their own abilities worked. If we'd done it and let's say Cether had targeted shadow and said I was told I lost but shadow had said he'd use another ability we have a dichotomy. The RPS game provides the confirmation (at least in the form of dichotomy's or proof people played along by the results they were given via the mod
@Grape: In your #139, isn't that kind of plan dependent upon a large number of players having confirmable roles? If so, what makes you think it likely that we have a lot of confirmable roles?
@Cether: I'll share generally why I know that it's not the reason we didn't have a NK; I know that Grape didn't win, and neither he nor I died.
Could have just picked scissors and had a grand old time BUT NO I GUESS NOT.
Based on this, I believe I know what you picked, but I don't yet know if I want to out that. You never responded to Shadow's D1 question of whether you'd prefer to win, lose, or draw; why not?
Everyone who hasn’t needs to share what they picked (R/P/S) immediately. Then I may have some info.
Sorry to play this close to the vest, but I'm NOT going to claim what I picked yet. I *will* say that if you think you've caught (specifically) me in a lie based on conversation thus far, you're barking up the wrong tree (not that me saying so should dissuade you from pursuing whatever you're pursuing, but rest assured that I'll be more open about things after everyone has checked in).
Shadow is just scum here isn't he? His reluctance at my Ruma "clear would make so much sense in a "I'm bussing ID into the ground for credit" world. As does his vote sticking on Ruma when in 111 he listed Deuce as more likely scum. FoS: Shadow
I...actually don't think Shadow is scum. I mean, I'm not 100% certain, because his scum range is HUUUUUGE, but based on my reread, I just don't see it.
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@Cantrip on my plan it doesn't require a ton of confirmables. 1 or 2 should be enough. The confirmation comes from the targeting and people knowing if their own abilities worked. If we'd done it and let's say Cether had targeted shadow and said I was told I lost but shadow had said he'd use another ability we have a dichotomy. The RPS game provides the confirmation (at least in the form of dichotomy's or proof people played along by the results they were given via the mod
Well I have to admit that my focus on Shadow comes from the fact that you started the ID wagon, I have this Ruma town read, and Manasi and Cether both read purely despite not doing a ton. Shadow is the only one (apart from you who would have had to turbo bussed a buddy under no pressure) one who isn't outside what I'd consider their average scum game.
Well I have to admit that my focus on Shadow comes from the fact that you started the ID wagon, I have this Ruma town read, and Manasi and Cether both read purely despite not doing a ton. Shadow is the only one (apart from you who would have had to turbo bussed a buddy under no pressure) one who isn't outside what I'd consider their average scum game.
If Shadow's town, then the read you have on him is absolutely his own fault for having such an all-encompassing scum range. At one time I felt like I could say that my own scum game was good because it was essentially identical to my town game, but Tom dismantled my ego rather completely on that. Shadow, however...Shadow's town and scum games are pretty much undecipherable from each other. That said, I've got several notes (which I will share toDay, eventually, I promise) that make me think he's town. If I'm wrong, you definitely get to taunt me with an I Told You So.
So to make sure I'm understanding correctly we are waiting on Ruma to claim what he chose last night (as in Rock, Paper, or Scissors)?
I just want to hear from him in general, see if he has any results, info, explanations for lack of NK, etc. I have one possible mechanical idea (I'd say...35%-65% possible-unlikely) as to why we didn't have a NK, and one other possibility (probably more like 50%-50%) as to why there was no NK, but nothing certain. If Ruma has a strongly likely explanation or anything like a cop result, I'd like to hear that before getting into the weeds of my situation.
We're also waiting to hear if him or Cether will claim what they threw last Night, in accordance with Shadow's request.
I don’t really want to claim what I chose yet, but I think a lot of people have the same idea where you hide your throw hoping to catch someone in a lie with it later but then no one wants to claim and then we get nothing. So I might as well give mine out so people who contribute better than me can use the info.
I'm pretty much never going to lynch Cantrip or Manasi barring mechanical evidence that I should. And I'm not inclined to lynch either of Ruma or Cether based on the evidence I've seen. I know my active case on Shadow isn't strong but I think the PoE case is.
I guess I could be reading too much into too little by Ruma but I'm tired of reading people incorrectly because their style rubs me the wrong way. Had way too many people get lynched this year over things like that.
Ruma (2) - infinity, cether
Infinity (2) - cantrip, grape
Not voting (3) - manasi, ruma, shadow
7 alive, 4 to lynch
Deadline 12/26, a little over 48 hours from now
Anyways, I have stuff i need to catch up on for not, Ill be absent for a couple of days
Well given the deadline is in 48 hours that is unfortunate. I get it with it being Christmas and all it's just not great.
I feel like we've lynched the inevitable zone. Short of someone making a hail Mary case it's going to be Deuce with him peacing out. If he flips scum I'm not sure where I'd go next but if he flips town I'd take a long hard look at Shadow.
This is a big reason why I have Infinity rated at the bottom of my mafia/town list.
Rumanshi and Infinity are my picks for lynch today.
Once we’re done talking for the day I am ready to swap my vote over to Infinity and end the day.
UNVOTE
VOTE: Infinity
Peace out
(No, not literally, just in the context of the game)
Also this sucks...
Infinity (4) - cantrip, grape, shadow, infinity
Ruma (1) - cether
Not voting (2) - manasi, ruma
Infinity has been lynched!
He was:
mafia busdriver/nothing/redirector (win/draw/lose)
It is now night 1.
Day 2 will start... after christmas.
12/26 at ~noon PST
~22 hours from this post
"Rock beats scissors, scissors beats paper, paper beats rock. Some say that is how the game ends; I say that is only where it begins."
-Dennis Tyler, player, 1956
No one has died!
It is now day 2
With 6 alive, its 4 to lynch
Day 2 deadline january 6th
@Grape: Anything you'd like to divulge to the class regarding N1?
I targeted you and chose paper. Depending on your choice that would have activated my ability and I'm pretty sure you chose rock.
I wasn't informed that I won (received no information other than confirming my target of you). I believed that I won due to the morning post.
In a micro it doesn't prove anything though. And it alone doesn't buy an extra mislynch. We still only have 1 mislynch now after my protect. We just now also get a no lynch and extra night actions.
I'm currently rereading and taking notes; I'll plan on sharing further thoughts once everyone has checked in.
@Cether: In a game this size, I would find it very odd to have more than one town protective role; if you're a protective role, counter claiming Grape would be, imo, a game-ender.
Will you share why if Grape did protect you, it’s not the reason we had a nightkill, when everyone checks in?
I am not a protective role, I just thought that keeping two people alive via doctor would be strictly better than losing the bodyguard.
@Cether: I'll share generally why I know that it's not the reason we didn't have a NK; I know that Grape didn't win, and neither he nor I died.
smh how am I supposed to get attention if we all want the same guy
o u t o f c o n t r o l
@Cantrip on my plan it doesn't require a ton of confirmables. 1 or 2 should be enough. The confirmation comes from the targeting and people knowing if their own abilities worked. If we'd done it and let's say Cether had targeted shadow and said I was told I lost but shadow had said he'd use another ability we have a dichotomy. The RPS game provides the confirmation (at least in the form of dichotomy's or proof people played along by the results they were given via the mod
Sorry to play this close to the vest, but I'm NOT going to claim what I picked yet. I *will* say that if you think you've caught (specifically) me in a lie based on conversation thus far, you're barking up the wrong tree (not that me saying so should dissuade you from pursuing whatever you're pursuing, but rest assured that I'll be more open about things after everyone has checked in).
Typically prefer to draw.
Losing is also fine.
Plz scissor me.
Ok, I can accept that train of thought.
Reread is finished. I want to hear from Rumanshi.
What do you mean did everyone target Cantrip? He had only been the target of a single person as per what Grape claimed.
We're also waiting to hear if him or Cether will claim what they threw last Night, in accordance with Shadow's request.
I chose scissors.
I guess I could be reading too much into too little by Ruma but I'm tired of reading people incorrectly because their style rubs me the wrong way. Had way too many people get lynched this year over things like that.
The cether post of thinkikng through if they want to out what they picked is scummy to me but.. just because it soudns pretty easily faked.
I'm hoping it's as easy as ruma/cether to find the last one but lolshadow.
I think the post Shadow made to Infinity doesn't really seem like it's w/w.