I will go ahead and say that I don't actually have a preference whether I win/lose/draw, but no one should take that as meaning that I will just give them their preferred outcome.
@Infinity: How do you plan to sort players this game?
@Grape: What are your thoughts on Infinity's entrance?
@Rumanshi: Post content, please.
@All: What do you think the chances are that the factional scum nightkill is reliant on scum getting a particular outcome with the player they target with it (as in, something like "target the player you want to kill and choose R/P/S; if you [win/lose/draw] you kill that player")?
@Shadow: Would you mind waiting to respond to that last question until a good majority of other players weighs in? (I'm asking this of you because I feel like I know, pretty well, how you think and what you'd say, and I'd like to gauge others' thoughts independently of your input, if possible.)
@Infinity: How do you plan to sort players this game?
(Also try to call me Duece, I can't figure out how to change my Display Name)
Like, into scum and town?
Well, what I usually do is try to get the town to bandwaggon people for reactions.
Im honestly not entirely sure what you mean by "sorting"
@All: What do you think the chances are that the factional scum nightkill is reliant on scum getting a particular outcome with the player they target with it (as in, something like "target the player you want to kill and choose R/P/S; if you [win/lose/draw] you kill that player")?
Wouldn't count that fact out. I'd bet that the other outcomes are probably roleblocks, redirects, and all the other fun BS that scum love so much
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@Cantrip ask me later I'm not sure whT I make of him yet. I can tell there is some culture clash and I can't sort out if there is also scum motivation behind that.
I'd be very surprised if the NK was tied to the mechanic.
Seriously? Slowwwwwwww game. I need some Rumanshi/Manasi hot action up in here!
In the meantime...
@Infinity: When you say...
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Everyone tries to pin a scum status on someone because they weren't talking, or said somethin wierd, or something like that.
Then, they will either try to franticly protect themselves (Usually town) or claim town (Usually Maf)
I feel like you just taught me basic mafia practice. Like, "trying to pin a scum status" = scumhunting (if town) or scumming (if scum). And then once someone is under scrutiny, they defend themselves and everyone decides if they explained their weird statements or lack of contribution or whatever adequately and then they either lynch that person or don't. What is the difference between "frantically protecting themselves" and "claiming town"? I mean, no one claims scum. Are you saying that your site's standard is that people who actually claim their role usually turn out to be scum, while town are more likely to defend their actions without claiming?
More importantly, while I thank you for the mafia primer, when I asked how you planned to sort people, I was asking how you were going to scumhunt this game. If your answer to that is "push for a wagon/lots of votes on a person until they are forced to defend themselves so I can decide if their defense is town or scum", then why aren't you doing that?
Vote: Ruma
I don't want Ruma to actually claim yet (even though this puts him at L-2), but he needs some pressure.
This game is weird. I forgot how slow micro's can be.
@Shadow why are you comfortable calling cantrtip town here? I might be making memories up but I seem to remember you having a ton of respect for Cantrip's scum game.
@Shadow why do you believe that attempting to coordinate/plan actions is suboptimal today/tonight? Usually I would agree with you but this specific setup has me thinking very differently.
@InfinityDeuce Why do you think planning the RPS game would cause misinformation?
More importantly, while I thank you for the mafia primer, when I asked how you planned to sort people, I was asking how you were going to scumhunt this game. If your answer to that is "push for a wagon/lots of votes on a person until they are forced to defend themselves so I can decide if their defense is town or scum", then why aren't you doing that?
I really havent found much reason to blame someone.
Until now... I didnt realize that one is being much more silent than the others.
VOTE: RUMA
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GENERATION 11: The first time you see this, copy and paste it into your signature and add 1 to the generation number. It's a social experiment.
More importantly, while I thank you for the mafia primer, when I asked how you planned to sort people, I was asking how you were going to scumhunt this game. If your answer to that is "push for a wagon/lots of votes on a person until they are forced to defend themselves so I can decide if their defense is town or scum", then why aren't you doing that?
I really havent found much reason to blame someone.
Until now... I didnt realize that one is being much more silent than the others.
VOTE: RUMA
Do you find being quiet is often successfully correlated with being scum/mafia? I see it used often as an accusation and being accurate at about the expected rate for a random lynch.
@Infinity: How are people viewed on MU who put players to L-1 (one vote from being lynched) this early in the game, especially when the player being wagoned hasn't posted much yet?
@Grape: Part of me desperately wanted you to yolo hammer. Slight +town to you for not doing so, though.
@Shadow why are you comfortable calling cantrtip town here? I might be making memories up but I seem to remember you having a ton of respect for Cantrip's scum game.
I have great respect for Cantrips scum game, but I also have pinned his alignment from 1-3 posts in every game I’ve read of his recently, and I’m not only not seeing scum!cantrip tells, but also seeing some pretty decent town signs.
@Shadow why do you believe that attempting to coordinate/plan actions is suboptimal today/tonight? Usually I would agree with you but this specific setup has me thinking very differently.
Mostly because I don’t think there’s any indication that we would inherently benefit from massclaiming. I do think there’s some weight to the argument that claiming our planned RPS choice might be good, but I’m not interested in having that discussion yet. And for that, I’m grateful for your lack of hammer. I’m gonna disagree with Cantrip that it’s +town points outright, I think it’s pretty NAI. If Ruma is scum and you’re his buddy, then saying you’re tempted to hammer him without actually doing it looks very good if he gets lynched, and if he’s town, then you’d fear the fallout. All that said, I feel decent about you so far this game.
I’m also curious about Deuce’s answer to that question. Not particularly thrilled with the vote, unless Ruma flips scum, in which case it was probably a town move.
Hey Ruma, get in here and make yourself known, because otherwise I’m going to lynch you for being such a useful info lynch anyway.
Lol. The non existent pressure due to not having good internet so I didn't know it was happening <3 Love you guys.
regardless of whether or not you felt pressure, this is an unacceptable return to the thread.
Here’s my problem; if you’re town, by phoning it in like this, you’re actively working against the rest of the town, which means actual people who are actually trying to win are hindered because of you. And if you’re scum, you’re not even trying and it’s embarassing.
Lol. The non existent pressure due to not having good internet so I didn't know it was happening <3 Love you guys.
regardless of whether or not you felt pressure, this is an unacceptable return to the thread.
Here’s my problem; if you’re town, by phoning it in like this, you’re actively working against the rest of the town, which means actual people who are actually trying to win are hindered because of you. And if you’re scum, you’re not even trying and it’s embarassing.
Lol. The non existent pressure due to not having good internet so I didn't know it was happening <3 Love you guys.
Now that you know it's happened what do you think of it?
I like that people tried to pressure me. I'm amused that the first person was shadow. I'm perplexed as to how people think I respond to weird pressure? I tend to react to pressure where people are pushing me as the scum read, not where they say 'placing pressure' as it feels... soft to me.
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@Shadow I mean that's kind of what I'd figure but you'd need an actual reason for that and I'm not convinced it's possible to have a read on him yet. Soon but not yet.
@Ruma so you have no strong takeaways from the flash wagon on you? Just think it's a bit weird and a bit artificial, but also like it. Is that a fair assessment of your take?
@Grape: the trick with reading Ruma, is to go look at post counts, and if he’s got basically none, and no content within them, there are much better odds he’s scum. Granted, it’s not a hard and fast rule, as he’s completely dropped the ball as town as well, but it’s a good baseline.
I basically agree with you but am not willing to make that call yet Shadow. It's been too little time for me to be comfortable making that sort of activity based read yet.
I basically agree with you but am not willing to make that call yet Shadow. It's been too little time for me to be comfortable making that sort of activity based read yet.
I basically agree with you but am not willing to make that call yet Shadow. It's been too little time for me to be comfortable making that sort of activity based read yet.
Fair, I’m not at a high confidence rating on it.
Are you comfortable making that sort of read on Manasi? I don't feel like I know them well enough to do so.
I basically agree with you but am not willing to make that call yet Shadow. It's been too little time for me to be comfortable making that sort of activity based read yet.
Fair, I’m not at a high confidence rating on it.
Are you comfortable making that sort of read on Manasi? I don't feel like I know them well enough to do so.
nope, I don’t know Manasi’s play enough to make that call.
On the one hand, I get weird vibes from 84-88, and I want to put on my paranoid tin foil hat and say we're up against Shadow and Grape, which would quite possibly be the scariest scum team I could think of from our pack of 7.
On the other hand, 83 really makes me feel like the scum team is Ruma/Infinity. I'm going to hope that Shadow isn't scumming me and go with:
Vote: InfinityDie
You keep saying you'll post content, but all we get is you maintaining Ruma at L-2. Who's scum, Infinity?
@Tom: Humbly requesting a prod check. One player is at 48+ hours and another is at 96+. Hard to play a 7-player game with 2 awol (not to mention Ruma non-posting).
I’m not too much of a hunter but at least I can provide some data points or stir some up by making posts.
Vote Ruma
Ruma had no content until put onto L-1 and even after content doesn’t have any sustanance to it. Putting back into L-1. Ruma is what, 5 or so of the 90 posts and most are page 2?
Sorry about not posting too much. I’m always watching the game but sometimes I just don’t have anything relevant to post.
I think I want more votes on Manasi. I'm terrified of both Cantrip and Shadow and don't feel like I can read either. But Manasi just isn't playing and their entrance felt stilted, even comparing it to their other big entrance I remembered.
Cether is the only player I'm getting any sort of town vibe from at this point.
If only I had VlAd this wouldnt be happening. But i didnt before i left because ithought the net would be fine.
lol. im an idiot.
It wouldn't have happened but if you were commenting on the game rather than bemoaning your bad internet when you did manage to get on it might not be happening either.
If only I had VlAd this wouldnt be happening. But i didnt before i left because ithought the net would be fine.
lol. im an idiot.
It wouldn't have happened but if you were commenting on the game rather than bemoaning your bad internet when you did manage to get on it might not be happening either.
but why would i do that when its much more convenient to see who bites?
(I am aware but there is no medicine for regret)
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Because everyone should push you for the way you're acting (if they don't know you) so it's hard to sort when you are actively drawing votes. Gives scum a safe place to vote. I know that's your whole thing and you are often able to sniff out scum votes on you but man when you beg for them it's so easy to get false positives.
Heck, I know you and I still think you’re worth pushing, Ruma. The grandstanding of “oh I’m acting scummy to catch people” is a bogus line of play, and not helpful to your Wincon regardless of what it is. But hey, I’ll keep lynching you, and if you’re town I’ll try and hobble to a win from there.
I’m just not sure why you would do this. No one cares that your internet was down. You were MIA, you’re not now and you gave a reason, done. Now actually play the game.
@Infinity: How do you plan to sort players this game?
@Grape: What are your thoughts on Infinity's entrance?
@Rumanshi: Post content, please.
@All: What do you think the chances are that the factional scum nightkill is reliant on scum getting a particular outcome with the player they target with it (as in, something like "target the player you want to kill and choose R/P/S; if you [win/lose/draw] you kill that player")?
@Shadow: Would you mind waiting to respond to that last question until a good majority of other players weighs in? (I'm asking this of you because I feel like I know, pretty well, how you think and what you'd say, and I'd like to gauge others' thoughts independently of your input, if possible.)
(Also try to call me Duece, I can't figure out how to change my Display Name)
Like, into scum and town?
Well, what I usually do is try to get the town to bandwaggon people for reactions.
Im honestly not entirely sure what you mean by "sorting"
Wouldn't count that fact out. I'd bet that the other outcomes are probably roleblocks, redirects, and all the other fun BS that scum love so much
I think scum roles are gonna be Win/Draw/Lose Roleblock/AnotherAbility/nothing or the like.
Can you expand on what you mean by this? Like, give me an example?
I'll come back to my question about the NK after more people have responded.
Everyone tries to pin a scum status on someone because they weren't talking, or said somethin wierd, or something like that.
Then, they will either try to franticly protect themselves (Usually town) or claim town (Usually Maf)
That may be caused by the culture of that site, but I have found that it works in my experience.
I'd be very surprised if the NK was tied to the mechanic.
Cantrip can be town, I think I get where he’s going.
First day back at work was today, and I’m super glad, but also don’t feel like digging deeper currently.
In the meantime...
@Infinity: When you say...
I feel like you just taught me basic mafia practice. Like, "trying to pin a scum status" = scumhunting (if town) or scumming (if scum). And then once someone is under scrutiny, they defend themselves and everyone decides if they explained their weird statements or lack of contribution or whatever adequately and then they either lynch that person or don't. What is the difference between "frantically protecting themselves" and "claiming town"? I mean, no one claims scum. Are you saying that your site's standard is that people who actually claim their role usually turn out to be scum, while town are more likely to defend their actions without claiming?
More importantly, while I thank you for the mafia primer, when I asked how you planned to sort people, I was asking how you were going to scumhunt this game. If your answer to that is "push for a wagon/lots of votes on a person until they are forced to defend themselves so I can decide if their defense is town or scum", then why aren't you doing that?
Vote: Ruma
I don't want Ruma to actually claim yet (even though this puts him at L-2), but he needs some pressure.
@Shadow why are you comfortable calling cantrtip town here? I might be making memories up but I seem to remember you having a ton of respect for Cantrip's scum game.
@InfinityDeuce Why do you think planning the RPS game would cause misinformation?
I really havent found much reason to blame someone.
Until now... I didnt realize that one is being much more silent than the others.
VOTE: RUMA
Do you find being quiet is often successfully correlated with being scum/mafia? I see it used often as an accusation and being accurate at about the expected rate for a random lynch.
Ruma (3) - shadow, cantrip, infinity
Manasi (1) - grape
Not voting (3) - cether, manasi, ruma
7 alive, 4 to lynch
Deadline 12/26
@Infinity: How are people viewed on MU who put players to L-1 (one vote from being lynched) this early in the game, especially when the player being wagoned hasn't posted much yet?
@Grape: Part of me desperately wanted you to yolo hammer. Slight +town to you for not doing so, though.
I’m also curious about Deuce’s answer to that question. Not particularly thrilled with the vote, unless Ruma flips scum, in which case it was probably a town move.
Hey Ruma, get in here and make yourself known, because otherwise I’m going to lynch you for being such a useful info lynch anyway.
Yikes, didn’t realize how close that was.
Oh well, I’ll try to go more in depth with things tommorow
G’night
Here’s my problem; if you’re town, by phoning it in like this, you’re actively working against the rest of the town, which means actual people who are actually trying to win are hindered because of you. And if you’re scum, you’re not even trying and it’s embarassing.
Now that you know it's happened what do you think of it?
Unhappy buddies without day chat?
Would tom ever make a game without day chat?
Probably not. Going to call this soft unaligned.
I like that people tried to pressure me. I'm amused that the first person was shadow. I'm perplexed as to how people think I respond to weird pressure? I tend to react to pressure where people are pushing me as the scum read, not where they say 'placing pressure' as it feels... soft to me.
Cool. Glad you are wrong though Just makes me happier.
@Ruma so you have no strong takeaways from the flash wagon on you? Just think it's a bit weird and a bit artificial, but also like it. Is that a fair assessment of your take?
Ok, just read through all of the chat.
Um... yeah. I see that your "********y fashion" is your "style", but we would like to try to progress, whether you are town or scum
Also, if Ruma is town, Deuce needs a real hard look.
Ok. I don't deny that that's a good idea.
Are you comfortable making that sort of read on Manasi? I don't feel like I know them well enough to do so.
On the other hand, 83 really makes me feel like the scum team is Ruma/Infinity. I'm going to hope that Shadow isn't scumming me and go with:
Vote: InfinityDie
You keep saying you'll post content, but all we get is you maintaining Ruma at L-2. Who's scum, Infinity?
@Tom: Humbly requesting a prod check. One player is at 48+ hours and another is at 96+. Hard to play a 7-player game with 2 awol (not to mention Ruma non-posting).
Vote Ruma
Ruma had no content until put onto L-1 and even after content doesn’t have any sustanance to it. Putting back into L-1. Ruma is what, 5 or so of the 90 posts and most are page 2?
Sorry about not posting too much. I’m always watching the game but sometimes I just don’t have anything relevant to post.
Cether is the only player I'm getting any sort of town vibe from at this point.
lol. im an idiot.
It wouldn't have happened but if you were commenting on the game rather than bemoaning your bad internet when you did manage to get on it might not be happening either.
but why would i do that when its much more convenient to see who bites?
(I am aware but there is no medicine for regret)
Someone needed to say that
Much as I want it viscerally, I really don’t want Ruma hammered yet.