Sorry guys, these past two weeks have been particularly chaotic ones and I haven't managed to reread the game thoroughly. Will attempt to do so soon.
Anyway, have been making my way slowly through Day 1. KamikazeArchon, there's one thing I would appreciate if you could comment on.
So, as we know, page 2: Rodemy screws up and does his thing in which he thinks I've quoted my town win condition from a PM and then continues to vote for me, despite, by his logic, that would make me confirmed town. I'm sure you all remember this.
So, you were actually the one who first pointed this out.
That's a lot of votes on Highroller just for proposing claiming. Don't think it indicates alignment here; Highroller was town in Banned Mafia and was pushing hard for a massclaim there.
@Rodemy: The town win condition is public knowledge, see #4. Also, if you are assuming this is actually part of Highroller's PM, doesn't that mean you believe him town?
I am gonna drop this subject due to the fact that i shouldn't be playing like this.
I thought if he wasn't modkilled for it, he has to be lying. But that is a poor way to play and I am sorry.
Yeah, bullcrap. If I were lying, how would I know the EXACT wording of a role PM I wasn't sent?
Vote stands.
That wording is in the mod's post #4. And you earlier acknowledged this yourself: "The win condition was revealed".
I can't figure out why you posted the latter. More specifically, I can't figure out why someone who made the first post I quoted of yours would make the second.
Because what I was arguing was exactly along the lines of your first post, that if Rodemy were to assume that I was quoting my role PM, that would mean I'm town. By that token, if I were lying, I wouldn't have been able to quote the PM by Rodemy's understanding.
I don't understand why you weren't able to understand that my post there was in regards to Rodemy's reasoning when you'd already commented on it, or in turn why you didn't push Rodemy when I did.
Highroller: I don't remember exactly, but I probably didn't think of that statement in that many levels of indirection. (you talking about what rodemy thought you knew...)
Now lets have fuwa and RE talk about their d1/rod stuff
...damn
What?
...because they arent here anymore
Fuwa easily the scummiest rod progression. When they came back after an absence and responded to nothing but grape saying "yo wheres your vote" reeks of bus. You i can see ignoring the role pm thing but jumping on late. Highroller was on him all along. Vezok wanted to lynch him. Ruma i dont even remember. Vaimes just joined.
Etr defended him.
RE wasnt playing at the time.
I don't really buy Kami as a neutral who ends the game/wins alone. There have been incidents with those in the past and most mods/reviewers here are pretty well aware of them.
I don't really buy Kami as a neutral who ends the game/wins alone. There have been incidents with those in the past and most mods/reviewers here are pretty well aware of them.
[b]Unvote Tom[b] RVS vote removed. I mostly skimmed the first two pages as I haven’t had a ton of time today. Quick thoughts:
1. I’m opposed to claiming anything at this point until we have a better understanding of the game.
2. I’d like to reiterate the question about why Rumanshi is numbering posts? Is this something he always does?
3. I feel like high roller is pushing too hard on this Rodemy thing and it’s giving me bad vibes.
4. First to mention serial killer is one.
This is fun!
as well as give your rationale in general for defending Rodemy?
I don't really buy Kami as a neutral who ends the game/wins alone. There have been incidents with those in the past and most mods/reviewers here are pretty well aware of them.
Why are we still not lynching EtR again?
you dont think a teamwide rod bus is possible?
Possible?
Sure, it's possible. It's possible that it's Ruma/Fuwa/Vaimes and EtR is just an unlucky villager who soft defended a wolf and had their lynch diverted by Ruma at the eleventh hour for no reason.
It's possible we're utterly hosed and the whole PoE is town.
[b]Unvote Tom[b] RVS vote removed. I mostly skimmed the first two pages as I haven’t had a ton of time today. Quick thoughts:
1. I’m opposed to claiming anything at this point until we have a better understanding of the game.
2. I’d like to reiterate the question about why Rumanshi is numbering posts? Is this something he always does?
3. I feel like high roller is pushing too hard on this Rodemy thing and it’s giving me bad vibes.
4. First to mention serial killer is one.
This is fun!
as well as give your rationale in general for defending Rodemy?
Nothing really to account for. I didn't buy the initial Rod stuff as a slip and I didn't like the push as I didn't think it was based on anything concrete. As far as defending Rod... I played here a while back and the games that I had played with Rod during that time, he was constantly derpy. He would make unforced errors or just go on random tangents that didn't make any sense. I thought that this was more of the same behavior. I didn't even think when he was lynched that he was scum.
Reviewed EtR. Only a few things to note. D1 he was specifically objecting to the Rodemy kill. D2 we had a disagreement about town/scum perspectives - this is probably not that significant, but jumped out because I was directly involved. D3 he was one of several with an argument with DV, but that describes half the game.
EtR: Can you give us a current T/S list?
I'm pretty much where I was the end of yesterday, I think, but let me put one out here:
EtR
tomsloger
Vaimes
Highroller
Rumanshi
vezokpiraka
Silvercrys3467
zdtsd
I still believe that ZD and DV can't be aligned. ZD's story hasn't felt consistent with regards to what his role can do and I still believe FUWA was super scummy. I agree that KA has to go soon though as we don't know his win con. Silver and Vez are no change from yesterday. With the way DV ended yesterday I don't think we are going to get a lot from his wagon, but the Vez hammer felt super greedy. Otherwise, pretty similar to yesterday.
Me and D_V are unrelated in alignment. I don't see the connection
My story is completely consistent. If you actually checked, it would all be continuous.
Reviewed EtR. Only a few things to note. D1 he was specifically objecting to the Rodemy kill. D2 we had a disagreement about town/scum perspectives - this is probably not that significant, but jumped out because I was directly involved. D3 he was one of several with an argument with DV, but that describes half the game.
EtR: Can you give us a current T/S list?
I'm pretty much where I was the end of yesterday, I think, but let me put one out here:
EtR
tomsloger
Vaimes
Highroller
Rumanshi
vezokpiraka
Silvercrys3467
zdtsd
I still believe that ZD and DV can't be aligned. ZD's story hasn't felt consistent with regards to what his role can do and I still believe FUWA was super scummy. I agree that KA has to go soon though as we don't know his win con. Silver and Vez are no change from yesterday. With the way DV ended yesterday I don't think we are going to get a lot from his wagon, but the Vez hammer felt super greedy. Otherwise, pretty similar to yesterday.
Me and D_V are unrelated in alignment. I don't see the connection
My story is completely consistent. If you actually checked, it would all be continuous.
That's been my point all along.
vote: Zdtsd
D_V was town. If you are unrelated in alignment that makes you scum.
Presumably it means DVs alignment is irrelevant to his?
Which is almost never true its just a matter of how relevant but its a thing people say.
vote zdtsd
Both this and EtR's vote seem pretty weak; I said that we were unrelated. We might have some small correlation between alignment from interactions, but D_V being town doesn't really make me more scummy by any meaningful amount.
Can you explain your reasoning again? If I'm not scum due to D_V, then what actions have you found scummy?
Also, EtR IS voting me for the bad reason of saying that me and D_V's alignments are not independent of each other. In addition, he deliberately misinterpreted what I was saying; does anyone really believe he thought I claimed scum?
And it's not even like lynching a neutral helps us find the mafia.
The fact that EtR was almost lynched and now toDay that wagon is -crickets- despite 0 change in EtR's behavior or the points against him is a potential Thing. Scumteam is pushing elsewhere.
Maybe it really is just EtR and Riku? But I also feel like tom is the scumlord of the century.
I don't think you are a neutral and thought it was a ploy?
This was already explained and why I've stuck my vote on you. It's either you, or the other claim that sounds fake af (bodyguard who can add an extra protection every night).
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
Kami (3): vezok, Ruma, zdtsd
EtR (2): Silver, vaimes
zdtsd (2): EtR, tom
Ruma (1): kami
Not Voting (1): Highroller
Im, like, extremely whelmed by a kami wagon.
Current preference is zdt>silver>[ruma/kami] i guess but i honestly wouldn't mind an etr flip either.
Todays lynch seems pretty big but i dont feel any closer to knowing who it needs to be exactly. Im fully solidified on highroller and vaimes town today but thats not super relevant obviously.
And it's not even like lynching a neutral helps us find the mafia.
The fact that EtR was almost lynched and now toDay that wagon is -crickets- despite 0 change in EtR's behavior or the points against him is a potential Thing. Scumteam is pushing elsewhere.
Maybe it really is just EtR and Riku? But I also feel like tom is the scumlord of the century.
aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh
What are the points against me exactly? I'm not even sure.
Your Rodemy progression, lack of reassessment after his red flip, having your wagon derailed by a probable wolf partner in the eleventh hour, and being off of the Rodemy wagon with only known town off wagon otherwise. If there's a wolf that didn't bus Rodemy, it's 100% you.
The DV flip didn't change my view of the game state at all, I really don't know what to do at the moment besides keep wondering why we're neutral hunting instead of lynching wolves. If Kami is a neutral who defeats both teams, we're probably hosed either way, because even if we lynch him at this point we have to make consecutive wolf lynches to win (toMorrow is lylo). I'm fine gambling losing to a neutral given the extremely small probability of this occurring given site meta regarding neutrals with alternate win conditions in order to maximize lynching wolves.
Basically, I didn't view his initial thing as a slip so I didn't believe that the push on him was valid because at the time it was pretty solely based on that. Towards the end of the day, I had blinders on. I kept lumping his scummy actions into a derpy play pile instead of taking it at face value. I think I was also turned off by the initial push against him because it felt... wrong? I've tried to find a good adjective but can't. Others I've tried are it felt heavy handed...it felt like it was gaming the system...it felt too forceful.
Your Rodemy progression, lack of reassessment after his red flip, having your wagon derailed by a probable wolf partner in the eleventh hour, and being off of the Rodemy wagon with only known town off wagon otherwise. If there's a wolf that didn't bus Rodemy, it's 100% you.
The DV flip didn't change my view of the game state at all, I really don't know what to do at the moment besides keep wondering why we're neutral hunting instead of lynching wolves. If Kami is a neutral who defeats both teams, we're probably hosed either way, because even if we lynch him at this point we have to make consecutive wolf lynches to win (toMorrow is lylo). I'm fine gambling losing to a neutral given the extremely small probability of this occurring given site meta regarding neutrals with alternate win conditions in order to maximize lynching wolves.
So how is my lack of reassessment after Rod's death different than your lack of reassessment here?
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Not against it
Anyway, have been making my way slowly through Day 1. KamikazeArchon, there's one thing I would appreciate if you could comment on.
So, as we know, page 2: Rodemy screws up and does his thing in which he thinks I've quoted my town win condition from a PM and then continues to vote for me, despite, by his logic, that would make me confirmed town. I'm sure you all remember this.
So, you were actually the one who first pointed this out.
Ok, so skip ahead a bit. I post this:
And you post this in response:
I can't figure out why you posted the latter. More specifically, I can't figure out why someone who made the first post I quoted of yours would make the second.
Because what I was arguing was exactly along the lines of your first post, that if Rodemy were to assume that I was quoting my role PM, that would mean I'm town. By that token, if I were lying, I wouldn't have been able to quote the PM by Rodemy's understanding.
I don't understand why you weren't able to understand that my post there was in regards to Rodemy's reasoning when you'd already commented on it, or in turn why you didn't push Rodemy when I did.
...damn
Fuwa easily the scummiest rod progression. When they came back after an absence and responded to nothing but grape saying "yo wheres your vote" reeks of bus. You i can see ignoring the role pm thing but jumping on late. Highroller was on him all along. Vezok wanted to lynch him. Ruma i dont even remember. Vaimes just joined.
Etr defended him.
RE wasnt playing at the time.
Why are we still not lynching EtR again?
EtR, would you care to account for the following post:
as well as give your rationale in general for defending Rodemy?
Sure, it's possible. It's possible that it's Ruma/Fuwa/Vaimes and EtR is just an unlucky villager who soft defended a wolf and had their lynch diverted by Ruma at the eleventh hour for no reason.
It's possible we're utterly hosed and the whole PoE is town.
I don't really believe it though.
Do you have any evidence EtR is town?
Nothing really to account for. I didn't buy the initial Rod stuff as a slip and I didn't like the push as I didn't think it was based on anything concrete. As far as defending Rod... I played here a while back and the games that I had played with Rod during that time, he was constantly derpy. He would make unforced errors or just go on random tangents that didn't make any sense. I thought that this was more of the same behavior. I didn't even think when he was lynched that he was scum.
Me and D_V are unrelated in alignment. I don't see the connection
My story is completely consistent. If you actually checked, it would all be continuous.
Well me not saving anyone is mid-low chance.
Not tracking anyone, however, is near 0 chance.
In addition, people (person) want me to reveal who I protected.
I protected Vaimes, because I thought there was no way for vaimes to be scum, while I was not completely sure about tubba.
I still think that both EtR/Silver is scum, and possibly Riku or Kami as the last. Kami in opaprticular seems bad.
I mean, worst case scenario a kami hang kills a 3p.
So Vote: KamikaziArchon because we don't need a 3p around right now.
Deal with it.
That's been my point all along.
vote: Zdtsd
D_V was town. If you are unrelated in alignment that makes you scum.
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Which is almost never true its just a matter of how relevant but its a thing people say.
vote zdtsd
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EtR (1): Silvercrys3467
KamikazeArchon (3): vezokpiraka, Rumanshi, zdtsd
zdtsd (2): EtR, tomsloger
Not Voting (3): Highroller, KamikazeArchon, Vaimes
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KamikazeArchon and Rumanshi have both been prodded.
Both this and EtR's vote seem pretty weak; I said that we were unrelated. We might have some small correlation between alignment from interactions, but D_V being town doesn't really make me more scummy by any meaningful amount.
Deal with it.
People neutral hunting at this point in the game is worrying.
Also, Riku has once again vanished into the shadows.
vote Rumanshi
Can you explain your reasoning again? If I'm not scum due to D_V, then what actions have you found scummy?
Also, EtR IS voting me for the bad reason of saying that me and D_V's alignments are not independent of each other. In addition, he deliberately misinterpreted what I was saying; does anyone really believe he thought I claimed scum?
Deal with it.
Etr is on the flavorgaming tip, yeah?
I really don't know what to do this game. Everyone seems scummier than usual and there's a lot of content that isn't super helpful to me.
The fact that EtR was almost lynched and now toDay that wagon is -crickets- despite 0 change in EtR's behavior or the points against him is a potential Thing. Scumteam is pushing elsewhere.
Maybe it really is just EtR and Riku? But I also feel like tom is the scumlord of the century.
aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh
This was already explained and why I've stuck my vote on you. It's either you, or the other claim that sounds fake af (bodyguard who can add an extra protection every night).
Vote EtR
I’m just gonna end up lynching him in LyLo, so might as well assess how wrong I am before then.
Wouldn’t be shocked if some closed setup ****ery ended up with like, three slots dying overNight and town losing.
Silver, please restore my faith in your slot, I am actually begging you.
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EtR (2): Silver, vaimes
zdtsd (2): EtR, tom
Ruma (1): kami
Not Voting (1): Highroller
Im, like, extremely whelmed by a kami wagon.
Current preference is zdt>silver>[ruma/kami] i guess but i honestly wouldn't mind an etr flip either.
Todays lynch seems pretty big but i dont feel any closer to knowing who it needs to be exactly. Im fully solidified on highroller and vaimes town today but thats not super relevant obviously.
I blame DV for the gamestate rn tbh
Partially, but mostly because I had FUWA as scum and ZD hasn't really done anything to change that.
What are the points against me exactly? I'm not even sure.
Silver and I definitely both laid out reasons for thinking you’re scum.
The DV flip didn't change my view of the game state at all, I really don't know what to do at the moment besides keep wondering why we're neutral hunting instead of lynching wolves. If Kami is a neutral who defeats both teams, we're probably hosed either way, because even if we lynch him at this point we have to make consecutive wolf lynches to win (toMorrow is lylo). I'm fine gambling losing to a neutral given the extremely small probability of this occurring given site meta regarding neutrals with alternate win conditions in order to maximize lynching wolves.
If you have questions to point my way or whatever I'll be happy to answer them, I just don't really have anything to say right now.
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Basically, I didn't view his initial thing as a slip so I didn't believe that the push on him was valid because at the time it was pretty solely based on that. Towards the end of the day, I had blinders on. I kept lumping his scummy actions into a derpy play pile instead of taking it at face value. I think I was also turned off by the initial push against him because it felt... wrong? I've tried to find a good adjective but can't. Others I've tried are it felt heavy handed...it felt like it was gaming the system...it felt too forceful.
So how is my lack of reassessment after Rod's death different than your lack of reassessment here?