Alright.
So Highroller, D_V is never going to admit what you seem to want him to. Just not ever going to happen. Everyone has seen the point you’re trying to make. Constantly hashing over the same territory just makes your point weaker. It’s basically all either of you have done/talked about this game. I get that you think you’ve caught D_V, but you can’t lynch him by yourself and what you’re doing now isn’t convincing (imo).
D_V, calling Highroller bad isn’t going to get him to stop going after you. It just makes the game feel bad. I understand you disagree with his findings, but we’re all operating with less than perfect information. If you think he’s town, than you need to move on and just accept that he’s either right town or wrong town. Continuing to engage with them over this point is a drag, and it’s not producing useful content.
I figured I'd make one last hurrah, but yes I agree with this. I figured if I spent some time explaining context, facts, etc it might make a difference. I sort of hadn't really tried that.
I don't feel strongly that Riku is scum, but I really, really want the slot flipped.
I'm begging anybody with firepower, please. Flip it.
Why?
I am also interested in an answer to this question.
Thinking about zdtsd. Someone said they didn't believe the existence of a multi-slimer and a multi-cocooner - but for me it's kind of the opposite; knowing that multi- mechanics exist for my role, I find it slightly more plausible that a multi-cocooner is a thing.
I still don't think the D_V-zdtsd interaction is faked. So it's not S/S.
Alright.
So Highroller, D_V is never going to admit what you seem to want him to. Just not ever going to happen. Everyone has seen the point you’re trying to make. Constantly hashing over the same territory just makes your point weaker. It’s basically all either of you have done/talked about this game. I get that you think you’ve caught D_V, but you can’t lynch him by yourself and what you’re doing now isn’t convincing (imo).
Alright, fine.
Just want it noted that there are two things towns don't do:
1. Lie to the town
2. Support the killing of cleared towns
Doing that is mafia.
D_V is lying to the town about lying to the town about supporting the killing of a cleared town. That's mafia-cubed.
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I'm seeing a lot of "If ___ is mafia/town, then that demonstrates that ___ is town/mafia!"
I'd like to hear some justifications for these sentiments that someone's alignment has any bearings on someone else.
The only one that would make sense is if D_V flips mafia that we should seriously look into vezok, as it seems like we're at the point where if Cantripmancer outright stated that D_V is mafia that vezok still wouldn't vote him.
Aside from that, I don't see convincing connections here.
Tom do you think ztstd is lying about their entire role?
How do you rectify that they knew about the bus driver?
think the flavor is real.
Think he really cocoons people. That part prolly not made up.
If hes scum its likely the delay, protects from the ghostbuster kill, or interacts with kamis slime, which is a flavor slam dunk.
Maybe 2 of 3, but delay def makes the most sense to me.
Knowing about busdrive doesnt mean a whole lot to me there's an entire scumteam to somehow learn that
What you think of kami slime targets being informed and zdts not?
I'm seeing a lot of "If ___ is mafia/town, then that demonstrates that ___ is town/mafia!"
I'd like to hear some justifications for these sentiments that someone's alignment has any bearings on someone else.
The only one that would make sense is if D_V flips mafia that we should seriously look into vezok, as it seems like we're at the point where if Cantripmancer outright stated that D_V is mafia that vezok still wouldn't vote him.
Aside from that, I don't see convincing connections here.
not gonna try to tell you its an exact science, but ive been playing a long time theres ways partners tend to act or not act.
For example think DVs eod2 really only makes sense as [town being dumb] or [scum with ruma], and similarly elijah had an exchange early on with ruma that felt the same (talked about it d1 iirc cant be arsed to find)
Think dvs handling of zdst claim makes sense if w/w but zds push to keep dv on the table while dv sort of halfheartedly lynches him with less fanfare thab anything else hes talking about today both strongly point to unaligned.
Ive, uh, got a bunch of these btw as DV said earlier im all about team building and figuring out the game holistically so im the extreme end of this.
I don't feel strongly that Riku is scum, but I really, really want the slot flipped.
I'm begging anybody with firepower, please. Flip it.
Why?
I am also interested in an answer to this question.
Thinking about zdtsd. Someone said they didn't believe the existence of a multi-slimer and a multi-cocooner - but for me it's kind of the opposite; knowing that multi- mechanics exist for my role, I find it slightly more plausible that a multi-cocooner is a thing.
I still don't think the D_V-zdtsd interaction is faked. So it's not S/S.
Short answer is that Riku isn’t participating and I don’t feel at all comfortable with him endgaming.
I’m not opposed to a cop check but even knowing he’s town would be as useful as knowing that Atogaholic was town.
Mostly, I’m just super annoyed and teetering between “lynch it” and “don’t waste a lynch there.”
What tom said. Plus, if I'm having trouble reading a specific player, I try to "read around" them so to speak, by like. Making note of significant interactions they have and being like "okay they don't really fit as scum with the vast majority of players, so they're probably town."
Instead of reading that player based on their own ambiguous behavior.
Tom do you think ztstd is lying about their entire role?
How do you rectify that they knew about the bus driver?
think the flavor is real.
Think he really cocoons people. That part prolly not made up.
If hes scum its likely the delay, protects from the ghostbuster kill, or interacts with kamis slime, which is a flavor slam dunk.
Maybe 2 of 3, but delay def makes the most sense to me.
Knowing about busdrive doesnt mean a whole lot to me there's an entire scumteam to somehow learn that
What you think of kami slime targets being informed and zdts not?
I'd point that to being typical arson triggers. Take town of salem it always informs so people know there is an arsoner etc. Vaimes role also told us that we were poisoned all those years ago or could be?
I'm trying to work out if this game can survive not having a doc right now.
Ghostbusters exist, but I think are all vanilla from Grapes PM at this point.
Rhand and Vezok can search for people
Tubba claimed a role but we don't know what it is.
I'm a Joat. I provide some protection.
And then we have KA a role that is bonkers strong.
We also know that there is a delayer in the game(Maybe KA) and from what I can tell it targets the lowest posters in the game.
Random theory the only validation we have of KA being untargetable is from Tubba so that's slightly fishy I guess. I'm not really reading Tubba as scum though. But its something to take into account.
Zdstd has claimed Doctor ish. In some ways its a stronger doctor in other ways its a lot weaker of a doctor.
Did this game need this role to be town? I'm unsure. Protection isn't something that is needed in a game, its helpful for sure.
Just based on flavorwise I am more worried about KA's role, but just not today or even tomorrow. I'm not a fan of the behavior of the player for sure, and they just jump shipped off my wagon, when in my mind they should have doubled down. Ehh IDK.
I'm fine with flipping the slot I think, but maybe Ruma is a better flip? Its hard for me to say. Silver seems very scummy too, but once again I'm unsure.
Personally my preference would be Silver first then zdstd. But I think I'm just really anxious about lynching a claimed protection role with no real CC. Then again I view the ghostbusters as sort of almost being IC, so maybe this is to compensate.
I don't think my role informed the target they were poisoned (they weren't really; it was a vigshot that killed its user if they didn't use it immediately). I had the ability to send messages, and told my targets what would happen to foster trust.
And yeah, the idea of a zdtsd lynch when there's literally no other protective claim is probably the only thing holding me back. At the absolute least, please don't hammer him when we still have a week until deadline.
Is he doing this on purpose to keep interactions to a minimum? I thought his Day 1 was pretty towny and now he’s just posting votes and being cryptic.
What was towny about his Day 1? He’s just seemed like a nonentity to me.
/barn.
I reread the wagon, guess Fuwa could've been a bus too. Of course, that just means that either DV or EtR is a wolf-off-wagon or all of Rodemy's partners bussed him. It's probably either DV or no one, so like, 2-3 in [Vezok/Fuwa/Ruma/Tubba/Vaimes] in no particular order?
Still think Fuwa's self resolving though, so like. Eh.
And I thought his D1 was towny /for him./ He was just, significantly more involved, opinionated, actively voted. And I don’t necessarily think he takes the “smugly taunts everyone” approach to being scum, especially if it really is a team of three and his partner is like. Silver or zdtsd.
Did this game need this role to be town? I'm unsure. Protection isn't something that is needed in a game, its helpful for sure.
Just based on flavorwise I am more worried about KA's role, but just not today or even tomorrow. I'm not a fan of the behavior of the player for sure, and they just jump shipped off my wagon, when in my mind they should have doubled down. Ehh IDK.
Did this game need this role to be town? I'm unsure. Protection isn't something that is needed in a game, its helpful for sure.
Just based on flavorwise I am more worried about KA's role, but just not today or even tomorrow. I'm not a fan of the behavior of the player for sure, and they just jump shipped off my wagon, when in my mind they should have doubled down. Ehh IDK.
What? I'm still voting you.
That's what I get for rambling. Everything there was about zdtsd.
I read through RE again and came out with a decently strong townread. Voting me and then tapering off and being replaced is whatever, I definitely got the sense that he was trying to solve and not just blowing smoke. But lolme:
It's not just about activity for him. It's tone and aggressiveness (may I dare say, sassiness?). Low activity accompanied by weak/vague stances would be a scum indicator, but right now it's just activity and I've seen him less active than this as town.
how many more days before eod because i'm committed for the cfd dunk
like 12.5 days
That mean you don't think rodemy is a hit?
jesus 12.5
i'll keep it real with you tomo salamo i havent been keeping up but remember a few rod posts. they rang like level 1 inno villa rather than some sort of wolf, and i wasnt feeling it.
honestly im not feeling much tho. i might go back to that fuwa wagon just cuz my gut says to
>mildly concerned about confbias'ing townreads on lurky slots
>screams
Hate this game.
Fuwa seems like the type of player to avoid talking about her scumbuddies, yeah? Like the kind of on-the-nose, "look at me naturally talking to my partners ha ha I'm totally town!" type of posting.
Because one of her first posts is giving a townread on Rod, and then asking Rod why she thinks tom is town.
I feel like she'd probably want to start out fluffing with people who know her and rolled town.
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Terry's #137 smells awfully like a shade.
vote: Gozer the Traveler because it's in yellow. I'll watch the movie tomorrow maybe and see if I would change my vote. Or just sheep if I'm too lazy~
So a couple of days ago, I was like "hm, tom and EtR seem to be townreading each other without much reevaluation or interaction. They're both decently townread, but neither of them are really pushing anything, and there's nothing ruling them out as Rod's partners...are they powerwolfing?"
Meanwhile here's Fuwa, with basically the same reads I'm just now coming around to.
My hypothesis is that 1) the whole "I'm not voting Vaimes" thing on D2 is because I hammered Rod and that made her townread me more than she already was, and 2) she cocooned Highroller Night 1 because he was the one who pushed Rod the most.
Damn that Fuwa readlist is on point. The first 9 reads are all town in my opinion. I really doubt that scum makes that post before everythinf happened.
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Damn that Fuwa readlist is on point. The first 9 reads are all town in my opinion. I really doubt that scum makes that post before everythinf happened.
...a single readlist is enough for you to flip from currently-voting to townread?
In particular, that's a really weak "on point". Terry is near the bottom but flipped town. Rodemy, the flipped scum, is just barely in the scum section. Two of the four flipped townies are solidly middle in the neutral section.
I'm disliking this pattern where someone shifts a vote and you jump over. It's happened unusually often this game.
Actually strike that last part. I'd misread, I thought Vaimes moved a vote. In this case Vaimes made some posts and you moved the vote, not the same thing.
Is he doing this on purpose to keep interactions to a minimum? I thought his Day 1 was pretty towny and now he’s just posting votes and being cryptic.
What was towny about his Day 1? He’s just seemed like a nonentity to me.
Like, come on. I ask for your thoughts on the game, and this is what you respond to?
“Thoughts on the game” is just so broad and fluctuating. The Ruma thing is something specific that I can roll around in my head.
I think that the missing information from flips is hurting town (at least myself), I’m having a hard discerning alignments from the interactions so far. I think D_V is more likely neutral or scum than town, I’m skeptical that cvsdhl’s claimed role is real/town, I don’t trust Vezok still, I’m feeling the ghostbusters are probably just all town, I think Kami is more likely neutral or town than scum, Ruma is an enigma until they start taking a stance on something, and I hope that’s soon, I’m on the fence with EtR, they seem solvey but they left themselves room to go in a lot of different directions. I think my ability has been squandered, that I maybe should have stayed quiet about having it instead of knee jerk reacting when it didn’t work on Kami, I don’t know that’s what I’m thinking right now.
I’m definitely better with specifics, and I prefer to analyze content and interactions than provide them, but if you ask me something I’ll do my best to fill you in on what I’m thinking.
Interesting to note that it's Day 3 and we've had no claims of anyone being roleblocked.
Which I would guess makes the Delayer more likely to be a scum role than a neutral game mechanic?
In the middle of a Tubba ISO, and I may be wrong about this. His ability has something to do with targeting Ectos, but he was completely blocked when he targeted Kami. Dunno if that means Tubba was roleblocked by someone else, or if Kami's ability just completely nullified Tubba's.
Is he doing this on purpose to keep interactions to a minimum? I thought his Day 1 was pretty towny and now he’s just posting votes and being cryptic.
What was towny about his Day 1? He’s just seemed like a nonentity to me.
Like, come on. I ask for your thoughts on the game, and this is what you respond to?
“Thoughts on the game” is just so broad and fluctuating. The Ruma thing is something specific that I can roll around in my head.
I think that the missing information from flips is hurting town (at least myself), I’m having a hard discerning alignments from the interactions so far. I think D_V is more likely neutral or scum than town, I’m skeptical that cvsdhl’s claimed role is real/town, I don’t trust Vezok still, I’m feeling the ghostbusters are probably just all town, I think Kami is more likely neutral or town than scum, Ruma is an enigma until they start taking a stance on something, and I hope that’s soon, I’m on the fence with EtR, they seem solvey but they left themselves room to go in a lot of different directions. I think my ability has been squandered, that I maybe should have stayed quiet about having it instead of knee jerk reacting when it didn’t work on Kami, I don’t know that’s what I’m thinking right now.
I’m definitely better with specifics, and I prefer to analyze content and interactions than provide them, but if you ask me something I’ll do my best to fill you in on what I’m thinking.
Okay, I can work with that.
Tell me what you think of tom/EtR as a scumteam, putting aside tom's Ghostbuster status. Look at their interactions, their reads on each other, and their general approach to the game so far.
I want to say the reachiness of vaimes townreads this page points to zdt/silver/vaimes but kinda think hes town just getting attacked by "cant be this easy" when it probably is
not gonna try to tell you its an exact science, but ive been playing a long time theres ways partners tend to act or not act.
For example think DVs eod2 really only makes sense as [town being dumb] or [scum with ruma], and similarly elijah had an exchange early on with ruma that felt the same (talked about it d1 iirc cant be arsed to find)
Think dvs handling of zdst claim makes sense if w/w but zds push to keep dv on the table while dv sort of halfheartedly lynches him with less fanfare thab anything else hes talking about today both strongly point to unaligned.
Ive, uh, got a bunch of these btw as DV said earlier im all about team building and figuring out the game holistically so im the extreme end of this.
I am going to begin this by asking, because I have never played here before: Is this style of play normal for Riku? because I know that in a vacuum he is scummy, but there might be a meta argument for why the short posts and such are not scum. Is there?
Also, D_V's tone right now seems towny to me, so D_V actually looks town. This makes silver the definite most likely scum, probably followed by Riku or Vezok.
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I figured I'd make one last hurrah, but yes I agree with this. I figured if I spent some time explaining context, facts, etc it might make a difference. I sort of hadn't really tried that.
Thinking about zdtsd. Someone said they didn't believe the existence of a multi-slimer and a multi-cocooner - but for me it's kind of the opposite; knowing that multi- mechanics exist for my role, I find it slightly more plausible that a multi-cocooner is a thing.
I still don't think the D_V-zdtsd interaction is faked. So it's not S/S.
How do you rectify that they knew about the bus driver?
Just want it noted that there are two things towns don't do:
1. Lie to the town
2. Support the killing of cleared towns
Doing that is mafia.
D_V is lying to the town about lying to the town about supporting the killing of a cleared town. That's mafia-cubed.
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I'm seeing a lot of "If ___ is mafia/town, then that demonstrates that ___ is town/mafia!"
I'd like to hear some justifications for these sentiments that someone's alignment has any bearings on someone else.
The only one that would make sense is if D_V flips mafia that we should seriously look into vezok, as it seems like we're at the point where if Cantripmancer outright stated that D_V is mafia that vezok still wouldn't vote him.
Aside from that, I don't see convincing connections here.
Think he really cocoons people. That part prolly not made up.
If hes scum its likely the delay, protects from the ghostbuster kill, or interacts with kamis slime, which is a flavor slam dunk.
Maybe 2 of 3, but delay def makes the most sense to me.
Knowing about busdrive doesnt mean a whole lot to me there's an entire scumteam to somehow learn that
What you think of kami slime targets being informed and zdts not?
For example think DVs eod2 really only makes sense as [town being dumb] or [scum with ruma], and similarly elijah had an exchange early on with ruma that felt the same (talked about it d1 iirc cant be arsed to find)
Think dvs handling of zdst claim makes sense if w/w but zds push to keep dv on the table while dv sort of halfheartedly lynches him with less fanfare thab anything else hes talking about today both strongly point to unaligned.
Ive, uh, got a bunch of these btw as DV said earlier im all about team building and figuring out the game holistically so im the extreme end of this.
I’m not opposed to a cop check but even knowing he’s town would be as useful as knowing that Atogaholic was town.
Mostly, I’m just super annoyed and teetering between “lynch it” and “don’t waste a lynch there.”
Is he doing this on purpose to keep interactions to a minimum? I thought his Day 1 was pretty towny and now he’s just posting votes and being cryptic.
What tom said. Plus, if I'm having trouble reading a specific player, I try to "read around" them so to speak, by like. Making note of significant interactions they have and being like "okay they don't really fit as scum with the vast majority of players, so they're probably town."
Instead of reading that player based on their own ambiguous behavior.
I'd point that to being typical arson triggers. Take town of salem it always informs so people know there is an arsoner etc. Vaimes role also told us that we were poisoned all those years ago or could be?
I'm trying to work out if this game can survive not having a doc right now.
Rodemy was a hyper witch role.(Very powerful)
Ghostbusters exist, but I think are all vanilla from Grapes PM at this point.
Rhand and Vezok can search for people
Tubba claimed a role but we don't know what it is.
I'm a Joat. I provide some protection.
And then we have KA a role that is bonkers strong.
We also know that there is a delayer in the game(Maybe KA) and from what I can tell it targets the lowest posters in the game.
Random theory the only validation we have of KA being untargetable is from Tubba so that's slightly fishy I guess. I'm not really reading Tubba as scum though. But its something to take into account.
Zdstd has claimed Doctor ish. In some ways its a stronger doctor in other ways its a lot weaker of a doctor.
Did this game need this role to be town? I'm unsure. Protection isn't something that is needed in a game, its helpful for sure.
Just based on flavorwise I am more worried about KA's role, but just not today or even tomorrow. I'm not a fan of the behavior of the player for sure, and they just jump shipped off my wagon, when in my mind they should have doubled down. Ehh IDK.
I'm fine with flipping the slot I think, but maybe Ruma is a better flip? Its hard for me to say. Silver seems very scummy too, but once again I'm unsure.
Personally my preference would be Silver first then zdstd. But I think I'm just really anxious about lynching a claimed protection role with no real CC. Then again I view the ghostbusters as sort of almost being IC, so maybe this is to compensate.
And yeah, the idea of a zdtsd lynch when there's literally no other protective claim is probably the only thing holding me back. At the absolute least, please don't hammer him when we still have a week until deadline.
Kinda just wanna bite the bullet, call him town, and move on.
What was towny about his Day 1? He’s just seemed like a nonentity to me.
Well bus driver is protection same with the RB shot I have.
But they are not TRUE protection. Just some protection.
I reread the wagon, guess Fuwa could've been a bus too. Of course, that just means that either DV or EtR is a wolf-off-wagon or all of Rodemy's partners bussed him. It's probably either DV or no one, so like, 2-3 in [Vezok/Fuwa/Ruma/Tubba/Vaimes] in no particular order?
Still think Fuwa's self resolving though, so like. Eh.
And I thought his D1 was towny /for him./ He was just, significantly more involved, opinionated, actively voted. And I don’t necessarily think he takes the “smugly taunts everyone” approach to being scum, especially if it really is a team of three and his partner is like. Silver or zdtsd.
That's what I get for rambling. Everything there was about zdtsd.
This is annoying.
>screams
Hate this game.
Fuwa seems like the type of player to avoid talking about her scumbuddies, yeah? Like the kind of on-the-nose, "look at me naturally talking to my partners ha ha I'm totally town!" type of posting.
Because one of her first posts is giving a townread on Rod, and then asking Rod why she thinks tom is town.
I feel like she'd probably want to start out fluffing with people who know her and rolled town.
Meanwhile here's Fuwa, with basically the same reads I'm just now coming around to.
My hypothesis is that 1) the whole "I'm not voting Vaimes" thing on D2 is because I hammered Rod and that made her townread me more than she already was, and 2) she cocooned Highroller Night 1 because he was the one who pushed Rod the most.
I'm significantly less confident on Riku being town now. Yay.
#HappyVaimesisplaying
Damn that Fuwa readlist is on point. The first 9 reads are all town in my opinion. I really doubt that scum makes that post before everythinf happened.
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I'm still leaning town on RE. Would like Silver to uh. Up his presence, if at all possible.
In particular, that's a really weak "on point". Terry is near the bottom but flipped town. Rodemy, the flipped scum, is just barely in the scum section. Two of the four flipped townies are solidly middle in the neutral section.
I'm disliking this pattern where someone shifts a vote and you jump over. It's happened unusually often this game.
Which I would guess makes the Delayer more likely to be a scum role than a neutral game mechanic?
imo this eliminates scum!Fuwa town!EtR worlds.
I really have no idea how Fuwa would play as scum, I'm just making assumptions based wholly on her personality.
“Thoughts on the game” is just so broad and fluctuating. The Ruma thing is something specific that I can roll around in my head.
I think that the missing information from flips is hurting town (at least myself), I’m having a hard discerning alignments from the interactions so far. I think D_V is more likely neutral or scum than town, I’m skeptical that cvsdhl’s claimed role is real/town, I don’t trust Vezok still, I’m feeling the ghostbusters are probably just all town, I think Kami is more likely neutral or town than scum, Ruma is an enigma until they start taking a stance on something, and I hope that’s soon, I’m on the fence with EtR, they seem solvey but they left themselves room to go in a lot of different directions. I think my ability has been squandered, that I maybe should have stayed quiet about having it instead of knee jerk reacting when it didn’t work on Kami, I don’t know that’s what I’m thinking right now.
I’m definitely better with specifics, and I prefer to analyze content and interactions than provide them, but if you ask me something I’ll do my best to fill you in on what I’m thinking.
Tell me what you think of tom/EtR as a scumteam, putting aside tom's Ghostbuster status. Look at their interactions, their reads on each other, and their general approach to the game so far.
Also, D_V's tone right now seems towny to me, so D_V actually looks town. This makes silver the definite most likely scum, probably followed by Riku or Vezok.
Deal with it.