I know this is wine, but literally, how does anyone with functioning eyeballs think I can be scum with Rod and not bus him into oblivion after he scumslipped on page one (a fact that I would, uh, definitely be hyper aware of if I were on his team.)
Thanks for calling me hunky, Tubba.
DV, you made one point about the Ghostbusters, and it’s modgaming. You don’t think the mod would expect us to lynch any of the Ghostbusters because “one of them might be scum”?
I know this is wine, but literally, how does anyone with functioning eyeballs think I can be scum with Rod and not bus him into oblivion after he scumslipped on page one (a fact that I would, uh, definitely be hyper aware of if I were on his team.)
Thanks for calling me hunky, Tubba.
DV, you made one point about the Ghostbusters, and it’s modgaming. You don’t think the mod would expect us to lynch any of the Ghostbusters because “one of them might be scum”?
IDK.
I'm like....Ambivalent towards it. I think its more likely than not that one of you is scum. But its like 55-45. I'm not going too deep on it yet.
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Alright **** it.
I think this is a positive EV play. I've run through a lot of scenarios on this, I think I'm right with these clears too.
Both Vez and Terry in the last page have said Gozer is mafia related(And highroller but I've thought he's town just super wrong).
I'm claiming Gozer, town Ubermacht.
I'm a JOAT. The voting determined what order I unlocked my abilities.
I'm sort of clearing anyone who wanted to link Gozer to mafia, since mafia shouldn't be thinking that way. Specifically, when people wanted to link Gozer and Rodemy together. That's just a level of 4d chess I don't see the mafia playing. I really don't see Terry playing that level of 4d chess as mafia. Vez could be capable, but I doubt that he is either. Highrollers whole thing is bad flavor gaming, so like yeah IDK on that one.
My only only thought is that PERHAPS the voting for my abilities maybe somehow also was tied to Rodemy as well(That would be a sick mechanic). Maybe it is maybe it isn't. I'm not sure on that one. I doubt it however, I'm giving it 80% naw 20% yea boi.
I'm not sure that I'm going to claim my other abilities. I will claim that I do not have a night kill though.
IDK my ability was delayed, I might have just hard claimed as soon as the day started had that occurred. It will occur at the end of the day though.
So with a delayer being present(It might also do something else but I'm not going to confirm something I'm not sure on(This is purposefully cryptic)I doubt that Kami is a town Roleblocker(But he might not roleblock).
IDK why my ability was delayed, I might have just hard claimed as soon as the day started had that not occurred. It will occur at the end of the day though.
I remember Fuwa sheeped onto the wagon; gotta check Riku's and Tubba's votes.
vezok is eh. I'm actually inclined to think he wouldn't come forward with a Look At Me I Am This Flavorfully Scummy Character claim right after Rod got himself killed.
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fake edit for DV's post above, hm.
Town voting on a scum mechanic seems...weird, so. Town claim?
Apparently Gozer and Rod's flipped character are linked, and I thought that maybe the scumteam used Rod to kick it into action since Rod was sinking, but. Dunno how much stock to put into that.
I remember Fuwa sheeped onto the wagon; gotta check Riku's and Tubba's votes.
vezok is eh. I'm actually inclined to think he wouldn't come forward with a Look At Me I Am This Flavorfully Scummy Character claim right after Rod got himself killed.
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fake edit for DV's post above, hm.
Town voting on a scum mechanic seems...weird, so. Town claim?
Apparently Gozer and Rod's flipped character are linked, and I thought that maybe the scumteam used Rod to kick it into action since Rod was sinking, but. Dunno how much stock to put into that.
No my ability was destined to go off by post 200. Part of me was just musing what a cool ability for players to vote and it effects both town and mafia. I really don't think it works this way, but it could.
I'm not allowed to put highroller on ignore. But I'm no longer reading anything that he has to say. Highroller I expect an apology after this game if you are town.
I'm not allowed to put highroller on ignore. But I'm no longer reading anything that he has to say. Highroller I expect an apology after this game if you are town.
Why, because I'm not buying Gozer is town? Cry me a river.
Here's the thing about flavor and alignment: why are we assuming Gozer's a bad thing?
Maybe Gozer's a great thing. Maybe Gozer wants to destroy the mafia. Maybe the Ghostbusters are the bad guys and Gozer wants to destroy them so that means he's the good guy. Or maybe Gozer doesn't want to really destroy or kill anyone, he just wants to bring good times and friendship. Maybe the thing Gozer the Destroyer really wants to destroy is the walls we build around our hearts to keep love out.
I intended for it to be taken as a joke. I didn't realize the mafia were going to adopt this as their game plan.
There is no conceivable reason we should not be killing Gozer today.
I assume all mods intentionally subvert flavorgaming, but DV being gozer and ******* with flips is too much to ignore forever.
That said im not about moving him to the bottom of my poe for it
It definitely doesnt move the needle on joe for me though. Amd he still looks like the most likely rod buddy
I assume all mods intentionally subvert flavorgaming, but DV being gozer and ******* with flips is too much to ignore forever.
That said im not about moving him to the bottom of my poe for it
It definitely doesnt move the needle on joe for me though. Amd he still looks like the most likely rod buddy
Have you pointed to those reasons? In my reread I might have just missed this. Is it that he tried to defend Rodemy?
I just don't see Terry Tying Gozer to Rodemy as scum. IDK why you want to ignore that interaction. Also Terry was on to Kami.
I think Kami is a much better place to look at today anyways.
I assume all mods intentionally subvert flavorgaming, but DV being gozer and ******* with flips is too much to ignore forever.
That said im not about moving him to the bottom of my poe for it
It definitely doesnt move the needle on joe for me though. Amd he still looks like the most likely rod buddy
I don't mess with Flips, I'm just the only way to reveal them I think.
Maybe that is mess with flips. I promise you I'm going to flip town. I'd almost rather you lynch me today then work off my legacy, I think I've earned that with my town games with you.
I don't know what to make of DV. It's a bit on the nose. I supposed Gozer could be town, but I kinda doubt it.
I really need to reread this game to make sense of the craziness.
@highroller: You are kinda refusing to acknowledge the fact that your flavor gaming is not incredible. You should focus on associatives more than flavor if you really want someone to sheep you.
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I don't know what to make of DV. It's a bit on the nose. I supposed Gozer could be town, but I kinda doubt it.
I really need to reread this game to make sense of the craziness.
@highroller: You are kinda refusing to acknowledge the fact that your flavor gaming is not incredible. You should focus on associatives more than flavor if you really want someone to sheep you.
0. Walter Peck, Town Vanilla, excised from the original FTQ setup, sucked into the containment unit, and murdered in the ectoplasmic clouds pregame.
1. Rodemy, Ivo Shandor, Mafia Architect, lynched D1.
2. Atogaholic, Female ESP Student, Town Vanilla, modkilled D1.
3. Grapefruit21, Egon Spengler, Town Ghostbuster, died N1.
Riiiiiiiiiiight... Because there's no reason at all to give us the impression that affiliation with Gozer might mean someone's mafia. Mmmmhmmm...
Yeah like cult of gozer vs not is too easy prolly but...
Definitely not seeing any evidence against it lmao
Tom are you game throwing?
Legit question.
If its just a **** DV thing I can replace out. I just want to play the game and have fun, but I expect better than this from you. I just can't believe you posted this.
Yeah like cult of gozer vs not is too easy prolly but...
Definitely not seeing any evidence against it lmao
Tom are you game throwing?
Legit question.
If its just a **** DV thing I can replace out. I just want to play the game and have fun, but I expect better than this from you. I just can't believe you posted this.
Dont necessarily have an opinion on you one way or another rn, not voting you, not trying to ghostbust your gozerian ass.
You cant think its unreasonable to not trust that claim
If its just a **** DV thing I can replace out. I just want to play the game and have fun, but I expect better than this from you. I just can't believe you posted this.
Because anything about that was a personal attack...
So, thinking Terry and D_V for kills today. Any objections to this plan?
If its just a **** DV thing I can replace out. I just want to play the game and have fun, but I expect better than this from you. I just can't believe you posted this.
Because anything about that was a personal attack...
So, thinking Terry and D_V for kills today. Any objections to this plan?
no its fine me and DV have substantial history lol
Mostly him being pissed at me and me rubbing it in his face and making it worse
Yeah like cult of gozer vs not is too easy prolly but...
Definitely not seeing any evidence against it lmao
Tom are you game throwing?
Legit question.
If its just a **** DV thing I can replace out. I just want to play the game and have fun, but I expect better than this from you. I just can't believe you posted this.
Dont necessarily have an opinion on you one way or another rn, not voting you, not trying to ghostbust your gozerian ass.
You cant think its unreasonable to not trust that claim
I don't think its unreasonable.
I do think its unreasonable to say Cult of Gozer. There just is no way that passes review. That's my problem. My claim in a vacuum I agree with the analysis. Hell, I get that. I've got the same thing with the Ghostbuster roles. But its the overall bastard mod gaming thing. Feels like you are throwing fuel sort of into this ludicrous theory. Maybe you are just musing, and if it wasn't for another player I wouldn't be as alarmed. I almost feel like you are goading him though.
Hell I've run enough gambits like this for you to be suspicious as well. Its why I'm offering myself up today. I'll leave a legacy work off of it if you wish, I feel I've earned the credit for that.
I guess my question is if it wasn't me would you be this suspicious? I guess you would really only do this on a personal level if you were scum that's what I'm trying to figure out.
I'll claim that I have a roleblock one shot and a one shot Busdriver.
I get the busdriver tonight and I can target myself. Roleblock is on night three.
I don't know what to make of DV. It's a bit on the nose. I supposed Gozer could be town, but I kinda doubt it.
I really need to reread this game to make sense of the craziness.
@highroller: You are kinda refusing to acknowledge the fact that your flavor gaming is not incredible. You should focus on associatives more than flavor if you really want someone to sheep you.
And your role isn't on the nose?
Kinda. Even though I got possesed by a demon in the movie there are still two separate entities. Gozer is the big bad of the movie. It's kinda a given that people would distrust the claim.
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I don't know what to make of DV. It's a bit on the nose. I supposed Gozer could be town, but I kinda doubt it.
I really need to reread this game to make sense of the craziness.
@highroller: You are kinda refusing to acknowledge the fact that your flavor gaming is not incredible. You should focus on associatives more than flavor if you really want someone to sheep you.
And your role isn't on the nose?
Kinda. Even though I got possesed by a demon in the movie there are still two separate entities. Gozer is the big bad of the movie. It's kinda a given that people would distrust the claim.
Just like HP couldn't be the SK?
I've only ever been in two games that flavor gaming worked. One was A GJ game that had players strangely flavor claiming it was Mistborn. The other was Magical Girls Mafia(I think that was the name). Other than the GJ game which was like two years back, I think most of the games I've seen it successful in were much older games.
If players need to see this game to be reminded of that then so be it. Just frustrating to see a player parade it around and I can't wait to rub their nose in it. Unless they are mafia, which is then good on them.
I'm wasting too much time over flavor gaming. At this point I've said my peace. You're all idiots if you vote that way.
I'll get around to analysis sometime.
But I stand by the analysis of I don't see mafia members trying to get Gozer tied to mafia. Its just a level of 4d chess that I don't expect. I think they probably would read it as an SK. Or something else, because they KNOW its not mafia, just like I know Gozer isn't mafia.
It will literally never be personal from me i dont care enough about the game. Its the biggest differencw between us
Its harder to explain than that, but I think you and I get it though. Cool cool.
If anything else that's probably my biggest problem with you I read too much into the lines. Read too far into motivations ETC.
So you want to lynch me or not?
Cause I'm legit down with that plan. Normally I see it as minus ev. But I'm hoping my lynch will A) Wake the town up from doing flavor gaming and B) I've used my most important ability. C) As long as people sort of look at my thoughts and use them as a road map I think that's all I need to do for the game.
I don't think that DV is scum. The Gozer thing is just weird and I decided that I will ignore it and just read that slot from the posts.
Elijah didn't seem like scum to me and DV even less so. I think the slot needs to be solved before LyLo, but we've got one scum so we can afford to just go after scummy people and decide flavour gaming later.
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I am an infectious tracker. I slime people. Slimed people spread slime when they target others, and I learn who they target. (Presumably for balance reasons, there's a weird delay - I start tracking immediately but the spreading kicks in one night later.)
I also cannot be targeted under certain circumstances. I would prefer not to reveal the details as they could leave open to an NK, but will do so if enough of my townreads insist.
@Rhand: I think I did get posts mixed up. Apologies.
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I would support kills on either of Terry or D_V. Terry because he was the one doing the stuff I mistakenly thought Rhand was doing. D_V because either he's scum or we put the flavorgaming to rest.
I got the notification of being slimed before the mod realised he forgot to tell me who did it due to my ability. I assume everyone is told when they are slimed.
I can confirm that the sliming happened after I targeted tom with my ability so KA is telling the truth with the delay thing.
I don't buy the fact KA is town. A role that tracks multiple people after a few days that is also untargetable seems like a third party more than a town role, but this game is getting really weird.
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I remember Fuwa sheeped onto the wagon; gotta check Riku's and Tubba's votes.
vezok is eh. I'm actually inclined to think he wouldn't come forward with a Look At Me I Am This Flavorfully Scummy Character claim right after Rod got himself killed.
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fake edit for DV's post above, hm.
Town voting on a scum mechanic seems...weird, so. Town claim?
Apparently Gozer and Rod's flipped character are linked, and I thought that maybe the scumteam used Rod to kick it into action since Rod was sinking, but. Dunno how much stock to put into that.
No my ability was destined to go off by post 200. Part of me was just musing what a cool ability for players to vote and it effects both town and mafia. I really don't think it works this way, but it could.
I'm not allowed to put highroller on ignore. But I'm no longer reading anything that he has to say. Highroller I expect an apology after this game if you are town.
Not going to happen, I tried to get an apology out of him last game to no avail. Highroller’s flavor gaming is next level. No way DV makes this claim as scum. Blah blah blah he’s scum buddies with Terry! And vez and rod too. Nope. I’ll admit I was off on rod, and my game is lacking a bit this game, but it’s a really busy time of year for me. That being said, I’d be willing to take a vig shot to the face, but only after I get to do a final analysis, for whatever good it might do.
If its just a **** DV thing I can replace out. I just want to play the game and have fun, but I expect better than this from you. I just can't believe you posted this.
Because anything about that was a personal attack...
So, thinking Terry and D_V for kills today. Any objections to this plan?
I think we should keep KA alive for a while. His ability is really strong and we can co-ordinate on who we want to get slimed. My ability is kinda like a fruit vendor so I can just target anyone without a problem.
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I targeted Kami last night and was told I was rendered unconscious and that my ability failed. I wasn’t notifified that I’d lost the ability which should’ve been the case if I targeted an ecto.
@Vaimes
I was trying to play it cool, but I’m just a sucker for swole mafia players.
I targeted Kami last night and was told I was rendered unconscious and that my ability failed. I wasn’t notifified that I’d lost the ability which should’ve been the case if I targeted an ecto.
@Vaimes
I was trying to play it cool, but I’m just a sucker for swole mafia players.
It's probably because whatever Kami has stopped your ability so it doesn't matter if he was ecto or not.
KA is confirmed to be Slimer and that character is almost certainly ecto. His whole shtick is about ectoplasm.
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Thanks for calling me hunky, Tubba.
DV, you made one point about the Ghostbusters, and it’s modgaming. You don’t think the mod would expect us to lynch any of the Ghostbusters because “one of them might be scum”?
That's not what I've said. I've very much established that.
IDK.
I'm like....Ambivalent towards it. I think its more likely than not that one of you is scum. But its like 55-45. I'm not going too deep on it yet.
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Alright **** it.
I think this is a positive EV play. I've run through a lot of scenarios on this, I think I'm right with these clears too.
Both Vez and Terry in the last page have said Gozer is mafia related(And highroller but I've thought he's town just super wrong).
I'm claiming Gozer, town Ubermacht.
I'm a JOAT. The voting determined what order I unlocked my abilities.
I'm sort of clearing anyone who wanted to link Gozer to mafia, since mafia shouldn't be thinking that way. Specifically, when people wanted to link Gozer and Rodemy together. That's just a level of 4d chess I don't see the mafia playing. I really don't see Terry playing that level of 4d chess as mafia. Vez could be capable, but I doubt that he is either. Highrollers whole thing is bad flavor gaming, so like yeah IDK on that one.
My only only thought is that PERHAPS the voting for my abilities maybe somehow also was tied to Rodemy as well(That would be a sick mechanic). Maybe it is maybe it isn't. I'm not sure on that one. I doubt it however, I'm giving it 80% naw 20% yea boi.
I'm not sure that I'm going to claim my other abilities. I will claim that I do not have a night kill though.
IDK my ability was delayed, I might have just hard claimed as soon as the day started had that occurred. It will occur at the end of the day though.
So with a delayer being present(It might also do something else but I'm not going to confirm something I'm not sure on(This is purposefully cryptic)I doubt that Kami is a town Roleblocker(But he might not roleblock).
IDK why my ability was delayed, I might have just hard claimed as soon as the day started had that not occurred. It will occur at the end of the day though.
Unvote, vote D_V
That's a no brainer.
I remember Fuwa sheeped onto the wagon; gotta check Riku's and Tubba's votes.
vezok is eh. I'm actually inclined to think he wouldn't come forward with a Look At Me I Am This Flavorfully Scummy Character claim right after Rod got himself killed.
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fake edit for DV's post above, hm.
Town voting on a scum mechanic seems...weird, so. Town claim?
Apparently Gozer and Rod's flipped character are linked, and I thought that maybe the scumteam used Rod to kick it into action since Rod was sinking, but. Dunno how much stock to put into that.
This is going to be One Of Those Games.
Gonna need claims from kami and terry, and whatever kami claims neither him or dv should ever be endgaming here...
Uh
Yeah no
Vote Riku
for now. Content is still nonexistent.
No my ability was destined to go off by post 200. Part of me was just musing what a cool ability for players to vote and it effects both town and mafia. I really don't think it works this way, but it could.
I'm not allowed to put highroller on ignore. But I'm no longer reading anything that he has to say. Highroller I expect an apology after this game if you are town.
Just lynch me then today. My other two abilities are not that useful.
Oh I'm also Ecto, so that probs means you can kill me so go for it.
Decent chance of Fuwa or Riku being scum; will look at them Soon.
I'm hard giving this post sideways looks.
IDK Town Tom does make these sort of terrible plays though. Unsure. Vaimes is sort of ugh.
Like Tom do you really think scum Terry makes that play?
Do you really?
Are you legit SK kool aiding this?
I intended for it to be taken as a joke. I didn't realize the mafia were going to adopt this as their game plan.
There is no conceivable reason we should not be killing Gozer today.
That said im not about moving him to the bottom of my poe for it
It definitely doesnt move the needle on joe for me though. Amd he still looks like the most likely rod buddy
Have you pointed to those reasons? In my reread I might have just missed this. Is it that he tried to defend Rodemy?
I just don't see Terry Tying Gozer to Rodemy as scum. IDK why you want to ignore that interaction. Also Terry was on to Kami.
I think Kami is a much better place to look at today anyways.
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I don't mess with Flips, I'm just the only way to reveal them I think.
Maybe that is mess with flips. I promise you I'm going to flip town. I'd almost rather you lynch me today then work off my legacy, I think I've earned that with my town games with you.
I really need to reread this game to make sense of the craziness.
@highroller: You are kinda refusing to acknowledge the fact that your flavor gaming is not incredible. You should focus on associatives more than flavor if you really want someone to sheep you.
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And your role isn't on the nose?
Riiiiiiiiiiight... Because there's no reason at all to give us the impression that affiliation with Gozer might mean someone's mafia. Mmmmhmmm...
Definitely not seeing any evidence against it lmao
Tom are you game throwing?
Legit question.
If its just a **** DV thing I can replace out. I just want to play the game and have fun, but I expect better than this from you. I just can't believe you posted this.
Dont necessarily have an opinion on you one way or another rn, not voting you, not trying to ghostbust your gozerian ass.
You cant think its unreasonable to not trust that claim
So, thinking Terry and D_V for kills today. Any objections to this plan?
Mostly him being pissed at me and me rubbing it in his face and making it worse
I don't think its unreasonable.
I do think its unreasonable to say Cult of Gozer. There just is no way that passes review. That's my problem. My claim in a vacuum I agree with the analysis. Hell, I get that. I've got the same thing with the Ghostbuster roles. But its the overall bastard mod gaming thing. Feels like you are throwing fuel sort of into this ludicrous theory. Maybe you are just musing, and if it wasn't for another player I wouldn't be as alarmed. I almost feel like you are goading him though.
Hell I've run enough gambits like this for you to be suspicious as well. Its why I'm offering myself up today. I'll leave a legacy work off of it if you wish, I feel I've earned the credit for that.
I guess my question is if it wasn't me would you be this suspicious? I guess you would really only do this on a personal level if you were scum that's what I'm trying to figure out.
I'll claim that I have a roleblock one shot and a one shot Busdriver.
I get the busdriver tonight and I can target myself. Roleblock is on night three.
Kinda. Even though I got possesed by a demon in the movie there are still two separate entities. Gozer is the big bad of the movie. It's kinda a given that people would distrust the claim.
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LOL.
Ok I'm done commenting on that hot mess play now.
Just like HP couldn't be the SK?
I've only ever been in two games that flavor gaming worked. One was A GJ game that had players strangely flavor claiming it was Mistborn. The other was Magical Girls Mafia(I think that was the name). Other than the GJ game which was like two years back, I think most of the games I've seen it successful in were much older games.
If players need to see this game to be reminded of that then so be it. Just frustrating to see a player parade it around and I can't wait to rub their nose in it. Unless they are mafia, which is then good on them.
I'll get around to analysis sometime.
But I stand by the analysis of I don't see mafia members trying to get Gozer tied to mafia. Its just a level of 4d chess that I don't expect. I think they probably would read it as an SK. Or something else, because they KNOW its not mafia, just like I know Gozer isn't mafia.
It will literally never be personal from me i dont care enough about the game. Its the biggest differencw between us
Its harder to explain than that, but I think you and I get it though. Cool cool.
If anything else that's probably my biggest problem with you I read too much into the lines. Read too far into motivations ETC.
So you want to lynch me or not?
Cause I'm legit down with that plan. Normally I see it as minus ev. But I'm hoping my lynch will A) Wake the town up from doing flavor gaming and B) I've used my most important ability. C) As long as people sort of look at my thoughts and use them as a road map I think that's all I need to do for the game.
Starting with joe.
What was your reasoning on him?
LUL at this game being called a normal game.
Elijah didn't seem like scum to me and DV even less so. I think the slot needs to be solved before LyLo, but we've got one scum so we can afford to just go after scummy people and decide flavour gaming later.
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I am Slimer. I'm Town and Ecto.
I am an infectious tracker. I slime people. Slimed people spread slime when they target others, and I learn who they target. (Presumably for balance reasons, there's a weird delay - I start tracking immediately but the spreading kicks in one night later.)
I also cannot be targeted under certain circumstances. I would prefer not to reveal the details as they could leave open to an NK, but will do so if enough of my townreads insist.
@Rhand: I think I did get posts mixed up. Apologies.
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I would support kills on either of Terry or D_V. Terry because he was the one doing the stuff I mistakenly thought Rhand was doing. D_V because either he's scum or we put the flavorgaming to rest.
You get individual tracks?
What did you learn last night?
ALSO
Lolnormal
I can confirm that the sliming happened after I targeted tom with my ability so KA is telling the truth with the delay thing.
I don't buy the fact KA is town. A role that tracks multiple people after a few days that is also untargetable seems like a third party more than a town role, but this game is getting really weird.
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I was trying to play it cool, but I’m just a sucker for swole mafia players.
It's probably because whatever Kami has stopped your ability so it doesn't matter if he was ecto or not.
KA is confirmed to be Slimer and that character is almost certainly ecto. His whole shtick is about ectoplasm.
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