Ruma's ISO was uninteresting. Lot of poking at Highroller over what largely seemed to be style differences. Reinforced my he isn't drawing attention to himself scummread.
Also this post being followed by this one is gross.
Discussion of Rodemy's early actions is actively harmful. I dislike it on principle because it is rooted in questions about the rules, as opposed to actions. Further, at this point it's a smokescreen. We have perfectly good reasons to vote Rodemy without paying any attention to those actions. I think scum is using this as an excuse to deflect away from Rodemy.
Lol.
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Something something fun game, something something social contract, something something old college try.
@Vez talk to me more about why you think it makes Vaimes scum? I'm understanding the idea (pushing against the Rod lynch) but I'm not really seeing it.
Something something fun game, something something social contract, something something old college try.
@Vez talk to me more about why you think it makes Vaimes scum? I'm understanding the idea (pushing against the Rod lynch) but I'm not really seeing it.
I'll try, but I didn't find anything concrete. It was more of a feeling and not only because he was fighting the Rodemy lynch. I don't expect anyone to fight the Rodemy lynch based on alignment.
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I'm so torn on Rods defeatism here. As many have said what the heck is the scum team doing if he's scum but at the same time the few check ins he's had have felt really anti spew. He's replying to mentions but not really taking any initiative at all. I don't really know who his reads are at all.
@Rod can you give a reads list?
What is "anti spew"?
@Highroller: I can only speak for myself; I chose Gozerian because it sounds the coolest.
I don't think trying for a tie is worthwhile. It takes a lot of coordination to set up, it's easy to disrupt accidentally (or intentionally by scum), and the only reason to think it might help is flavorgaming - but even the flavorgaming feels weak. Given the events shown in the movie, it doesn't matter whether people agree on a Form for Gozer. Rather, the big bad stuff got set in motion the moment even one person thought of a Form. So from a flavorgaming perspective, I would think the only way to get "no Gozer" is if there were never any Gozer votes cast, so it's too late for that.
I was trying to come up with something quippy for under that quote. Trying to figure out how to extend the 60 minutes joke. But the accidental post was a good thing as I'll just say what I mean; I can both think Rodemy is scum (and never waiver on the belief that the way he cleared tom on page 1 is scummy) but be confused about the combination of defeatism and lack of counterwagon.
I feel like putting Rodemy at L-1. Any objections?
You were just talking about your Rodemy townread. What changed?
My view on him. He’s not doing anything, avoiding interactions, not voting.
It seems like he’s trying not to leave a legacy.
That's exactly what I've been saying about him for pages now, and you said it was a weak case and that I was bandwagon-voting. Now suddenly you want to vote him with the same reasoning?
This feels like Rhand tried and failed to deflect from his scumbuddy and is belatedly getting on the wagon seeking town cred.
I'm moderately worried about the level of consensus we have at the moment. But if the scum team is mostly in Rod/Vez/Fuwa/tom/atog then it makes sense.
Also Rumas town credit is completely gone and he should probably be in the above group.
This is from page 10.
Post below it is tom saying he'd clear Vez with a rod scum flip. *raises eyebrows*
There are now others you could add to that mix but if Rod is scum I'd still bet on a second in that group.
i mean that is like 4 or 5 players out of 16. Thats a 25% chance!
It's actually even better than that. There is a roughly 40% chance of two scum (assuming 4 scum) in any random group of 5. But if Rod is scum my confidence of a second in that same group would indicate (which would be roughly 60% in any group of 4). If we assume 3 scum (which is a dangerous assumption for a 16 player game) then your math is close enough to correct.
There are now others you could add to that mix but if Rod is scum I'd still bet on a second in that group.
i mean that is like 4 or 5 players out of 16. Thats a 25% chance!
It's actually even better than that. There is a roughly 40% chance of two scum (assuming 4 scum) in any random group of 5. But if Rod is scum my confidence of a second in that same group would indicate (which would be roughly 60% in any group of 4). If we assume 3 scum (which is a dangerous assumption for a 16 player game) then your math is close enough to correct.
Also I would like a readslist from you.
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@Highroller ignoring the hedge do you disagree with the analysis underneath it? Anyway it's easy to be shameless when you have nothing to be ashamed of!
Fuwa reread done. She has 1.5 ridiculously scummy posts (for the same reason in fact!) but otherwise actually reads reasonably well. She's not exactly present but she's doing thing that feel like they are in the right direction. That said the readslist in 371 is terribad. Atog having a town read is not a good look at all. Then in her most recent post Rhand pointed out the problems with it pretty well. I'm only giving half credit though because by her standards it's actually a decent amount of effort which is a town indicator.
I think you FoS'ing her for it looks work, especially since it's the only reason you cite for her readslist being bad. There's clearly no advantage to be made for townreading Atog as scum and is most likely an accident regardless of her alignment.
I think you FoS'ing her for it looks work, especially since it's the only reason you cite for her readslist being bad. There's clearly no advantage to be made for townreading Atog as scum and is most likely an accident regardless of her alignment.
Sure but the accident could be a mental one rather than a copy paste one. Knowing he's town and forgetting how unproven he is due to being busy IRL.
Decided to do a top of head town/scum list with no research. I'm not happy with it but it's where I'm at. Too many leans each way. Too much gut.
Town
Grapefruit21
I thought it was explained. Anyway, I made that list by copy paste the names from Opening post, and then cut and paste them to their group. That was the mistake. He should be in the null/neutral group.
Ok, I just went through Rod’s ISO, I really don’t think he’s scum, his stance against mass flavor claiming and how he explains how it may help both sides tracks as town. His beef with high roller seems legitimately paranoid and he’s been trying to shake things off the scum tree by voting several different players that stood out to him. I encourage people to go read his ISO. Even though it’s four pages, it’s a pretty easy read.
Need to look back at this post regardless of Rod's alignment.
Not putting in the work to find scum on/off your wagon just makes you look like scum who doesn’t want to leave a paper trail if you do actually get lynched.
This.
If Rodemy flups scum, we have to take a hard look at tom toMorrow.
Not putting in the work to find scum on/off your wagon just makes you look like scum who doesn’t want to leave a paper trail if you do actually get lynched.
This.
If Rodemy flups scum, we have to take a hard look at tom toMorrow.
... Terry, I literally just got through explaining this. It's one thing to not read the thread, it's another to not read the post right above you.
i did read your post and I disagreed with it which is why I quoted the posts you made that sounded like you were quoting a role pm and not the previously posted wincon from the OP. Just take your deep clear and be happy with it
Ok, actually read what you quoted.
Do those quotes say I quoted my role PM? No. They do not. They point out that Rodemy thought I quoted my role PM.
No, by rodemys reasoning you could have only been Scum. As. You. Werent. Modkilled.
Which would have been impossible, as if I were mafia, how could I have quoted a town win condition verbatim?
Remember: Rodemy didn't know the town win condition was posted in the thread until after this whole fiasco happened. So by Rodemy's reasoning, that would have been an impossible act. How could I get the wording of the town win condition exact as a serial killer? Yet Rodemy continued to vote for me.
My issue with the Highroller/Rod situation is, if we move past the angleshooty, role pm scenario, there’s still no real reason that Rod can’t believe that Roller is scum. If
you were able to read the town win con in thread, it means you didn’t need to have received it in private.
Holy *****, how many times do I have to explain this? It's not that complicated.
Rodemy didn't know the town win condition was posted in the thread. So when I posted it, he thought I'd quoted my role PM directly. Yet he didn't unvote me (despite the fact that the only way I could have quoted a town win condition in his mind would have been if I were town), and he later tried to excuse himself by saying he didn't believe me at the time, even though that would make even less sense, because why would you disbelieve someone being town when he quoted the town win condition? How would this be possible?
DO NOT directly quote or screenshot your role PM or any private communications (QuickTopics, etc.) when posting in the main game thread.
Congratulations, you've found a way to make even less sense than you previously were.
This post does not demonstrate that Rod did or didn't know that the info was in the rules. I think we are getting too tangled up in that point. And if you don't consider that point, he's just been fairly null. I understand that he is probably going to be the lynch, but I think we have better options for today.
@EtR What's your current read on Elijah and Highroller? (and me, maybe.. if you want to do three)
Highroller I'm coming around on. I didn't like his first few posts, but he's said some good things recently and I like his stance on Gozer. I have him closer to town than scum.
Elijah I still think is scum and he has done nothing to change my mind. In fact, I can't think of anything relevant that he's done since I took my vote of him to vote for you.
For you, I still believe you to be scum. There was a lot that you didn't comment on during your initial catch up post. It felt like a lot of questions for the sake of questions. I also am concerned with some of your wording as I've pointed out.
@highroller: Of course I thought the votes were suspicious. I was trying to get ETR to elaborate on his thoughts on who is more likely to be scum.
I'm not sure, but with interactions it will be a lot easier to tell soon. If I were forced to guess now, I would say Tom, but I haven't been reading Tom as scum. So it's a big
yo what's suspicious about wagoning one of my scumreads?
It wasn't that you voted for Rod specifically, it was the manner. It was a naked vote with no further justification in what felt like a "safe" time to do it.
I'm still inclined to believe Rod is just bad town at this point.
My gut says this is scum post.
Idk, it feels like you know what Rod will flip. If he flips scum, then you have established his bad play, but if he flips town, you would be in the I-got-it-right-so-listen-to-me kind of group. To me this sounds more like you just don't want to vote him.
1. It didn't change my Rod read at all. It's day 1 and I don't think at this point I can really get anyone's alignment based on my belief of other players alignment.
2. I've said since the beginning that I believe Rod's town. If he is scum then I will have to deal with the repercussions of defending him. You can try and set this up early, but it feels like YOU know how I will flip and will point to this later to get your own town cred. 2 Thumbs down.
Okay, fair enough.
My thoughts on Rod are based more in Rod’s play than any potential slip up based on “Modkillgate”. I’ve mentioned previously that Rod is not playing like what I’ve come to expect. There’s no drive, no attempts to solve, and his early game flip flop stance on Tom is spurious. Couple that with no engagement with the thread at large, and you have what appears to be a scummy Rod.
I didn't expect this as a response and this feels very genuine. You can be town.
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Rhand: I asked Vaimes about the scumteam because he made a comment about the scumteam. More importantly - "this doesn't make sense" is the primary behavioral way to catch scum. Scum set an agenda and then weave a web of lies to support it; inconsistencies in the web are how we detect that.
Terry, if this is town Rod being pushed by scum, who's the scum pushing him?
At work today but the plan is to do my due diligence to make sure I don't prefer lynching Fuwa, Ruma, or someone else to Rod. Expect quote walls to follow.
Please tell me you came around...
The Vaimes/HighRoller conversation feels like a convo between town/scum. But... if Highroller is scum he has to know that pushing this Rod thing will put the target on him so that doesn't make sense and Vaimes has read town to me all game. Who was it that first mentioned the neutral?
Also I had a thought. The Gozer thing could be an ability granted to a vanilla player. We’re probably voting on who gets the ability not what ability Gozer gets.
Powerwolfing is when the scumteam tries to win without bussing/lynching each other.
Highroller was the fist one to mention a Neutral. I feel strange about him, and don't really know how to approach him in general, but doubly so if Rod flips town. Highroller's content is 99% harping on about page one stuff. He's kind of weirdly aggressive. tom gave him an Earnest Read and eh, uncertain.
I believe Rod is town, but like. 60% town. I acknowledge that his alignment has been made into a Big Deal, and he's hovering between not playing but not replacing out. If someone is going to play under a certain level of transperency, they gotta go.
Dislike vezok's "game should be solvable toMorrow," especially if it isn't followed up with anything concrete.
EtR probably my only townread, lel. Someone pay me to play mafia so I can quit my job.
@EtR What's your current read on Elijah and Highroller? (and me, maybe.. if you want to do three)
Highroller I'm coming around on. I didn't like his first few posts, but he's said some good things recently and I like his stance on Gozer. I have him closer to town than scum.
Elijah I still think is scum and he has done nothing to change my mind. In fact, I can't think of anything relevant that he's done since I took my vote of him to vote for you.
For you, I still believe you to be scum. There was a lot that you didn't comment on during your initial catch up post. It felt like a lot of questions for the sake of questions. I also am concerned with some of your wording as I've pointed out.
I'm not sure, but with interactions it will be a lot easier to tell soon. If I were forced to guess now, I would say Tom, but I haven't been reading Tom as scum. So it's a big
yo what's suspicious about wagoning one of my scumreads?
It wasn't that you voted for Rod specifically, it was the manner. It was a naked vote with no further justification in what felt like a "safe" time to do it.
I'm still inclined to believe Rod is just bad town at this point.
My gut says this is scum post.
Idk, it feels like you know what Rod will flip. If he flips scum, then you have established his bad play, but if he flips town, you would be in the I-got-it-right-so-listen-to-me kind of group. To me this sounds more like you just don't want to vote him.
1. It didn't change my Rod read at all. It's day 1 and I don't think at this point I can really get anyone's alignment based on my belief of other players alignment.
2. I've said since the beginning that I believe Rod's town. If he is scum then I will have to deal with the repercussions of defending him. You can try and set this up early, but it feels like YOU know how I will flip and will point to this later to get your own town cred. 2 Thumbs down.
How does this relate to your flip? You're no where near getting lynched.
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Its just antispew at this point
Homeboy isn't even voting
Rodemy (7): Highroller, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, Rumanshi, Tubba Fett, tom
elijah (2): RE1031, Vaimes
Fuwa (2): EtR, elijah
KamikazeArchon (2): Rhand, joe
Rumanshi (1): Grapefruit21
tomsloger (1): Atogaholic
Not Voting (1): Rodemy
But also @highroller im no longer reading any posts with the phrase "role PM" in them.
lol
@Vez talk to me more about why you think it makes Vaimes scum? I'm understanding the idea (pushing against the Rod lynch) but I'm not really seeing it.
I'll try, but I didn't find anything concrete. It was more of a feeling and not only because he was fighting the Rodemy lynch. I don't expect anyone to fight the Rodemy lynch based on alignment.
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@Highroller: I can only speak for myself; I chose Gozerian because it sounds the coolest.
I don't think trying for a tie is worthwhile. It takes a lot of coordination to set up, it's easy to disrupt accidentally (or intentionally by scum), and the only reason to think it might help is flavorgaming - but even the flavorgaming feels weak. Given the events shown in the movie, it doesn't matter whether people agree on a Form for Gozer. Rather, the big bad stuff got set in motion the moment even one person thought of a Form. So from a flavorgaming perspective, I would think the only way to get "no Gozer" is if there were never any Gozer votes cast, so it's too late for that.
Also since it looks like Rod could get lynched any moment, I’d like to say that I totally don’t have a power role. K thanks bye
My view on him. He’s not doing anything, avoiding interactions, not voting.
It seems like he’s trying not to leave a legacy.
I was trying to come up with something quippy for under that quote. Trying to figure out how to extend the 60 minutes joke. But the accidental post was a good thing as I'll just say what I mean; I can both think Rodemy is scum (and never waiver on the belief that the way he cleared tom on page 1 is scummy) but be confused about the combination of defeatism and lack of counterwagon.
This feels like Rhand tried and failed to deflect from his scumbuddy and is belatedly getting on the wagon seeking town cred.
This is from page 10.
Post below it is tom saying he'd clear Vez with a rod scum flip. *raises eyebrows*
oh god i must be scum ;-;
i mean that is like 4 or 5 players out of 16. Thats a 25% chance!
It's actually even better than that. There is a roughly 40% chance of two scum (assuming 4 scum) in any random group of 5. But if Rod is scum my confidence of a second in that same group would indicate (which would be roughly 60% in any group of 4). If we assume 3 scum (which is a dangerous assumption for a 16 player game) then your math is close enough to correct.
Also I would like a readslist from you.
okay
Vote: Rod
Ill force myself on you next day. Hi scum, caught you.
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I have no objections to Day ending. I'm not super confident that this is a hit, as I feel like Rod's behavior is more Not Scum rather than town.
Maybe he'll flip Serial Killer (l o l) and I can gloat about being half-right.
Ouch. but anyway that atog read was a mistake.
hehe woops~
Unvote, vote Rod
inb4 Supersaint
you are now part of said wagon
Hmmm, not sure how you'd end up with a copy paste error there.
Sure but the accident could be a mental one rather than a copy paste one. Knowing he's town and forgetting how unproven he is due to being busy IRL.
Town
Grapefruit21
Highroller
RE1031
Vaimes
elijah
EtR
KamikazeArchon
Tubba Fett
rhand
Atogaholic
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
vezokpiraka
Tomsloger
Rumanshi
Fuwa
Rodemy
Scum
Need to look back at this post regardless of Rod's alignment.
Why?
What is powerwolfing?
#571-#573 are why I still believe Rod is town. It feels like real anger and not fake scum being accused rage.
This post does not demonstrate that Rod did or didn't know that the info was in the rules. I think we are getting too tangled up in that point. And if you don't consider that point, he's just been fairly null. I understand that he is probably going to be the lynch, but I think we have better options for today.
1. It didn't change my Rod read at all. It's day 1 and I don't think at this point I can really get anyone's alignment based on my belief of other players alignment.
2. I've said since the beginning that I believe Rod's town. If he is scum then I will have to deal with the repercussions of defending him. You can try and set this up early, but it feels like YOU know how I will flip and will point to this later to get your own town cred. 2 Thumbs down.
I didn't expect this as a response and this feels very genuine. You can be town.
Shot fired?
Please tell me you came around...
The Vaimes/HighRoller conversation feels like a convo between town/scum. But... if Highroller is scum he has to know that pushing this Rod thing will put the target on him so that doesn't make sense and Vaimes has read town to me all game. Who was it that first mentioned the neutral?
Yuck
Me
Highroller was the fist one to mention a Neutral. I feel strange about him, and don't really know how to approach him in general, but doubly so if Rod flips town. Highroller's content is 99% harping on about page one stuff. He's kind of weirdly aggressive. tom gave him an Earnest Read and eh, uncertain.
I believe Rod is town, but like. 60% town. I acknowledge that his alignment has been made into a Big Deal, and he's hovering between not playing but not replacing out. If someone is going to play under a certain level of transperency, they gotta go.
Dislike vezok's "game should be solvable toMorrow," especially if it isn't followed up with anything concrete.
EtR probably my only townread, lel. Someone pay me to play mafia so I can quit my job.
Riku's content took a sharp nosedive.
JoeTerry isn't really making waves.
Fuwa is a fluffy question mark.
It terrifies me to give any sort of definitive statement on tom.
That's all I remember.