@Terry: You either misunderstood or are misrepresenting my argument. I think Highroller is town because he's (confidently) wrong about things. There is no "backdoor" there. Voting people for being wrong isn't a thing. And I'll disagree with the idea that I'm belittling his play. I am saying he's mistaken in his assumptions, I'm not saying he's playing poorly.
Further: the "super strong case on Rod" is his actions after the wagon started. Rodemy's extreme shutdown is caught-scum paralysis. He's ceased interacting with the game - he's not even voting anyone. Rodemy's usual aggression is absent. I voted him when I started to see that manifesting; I "didn't bat an eye" before that because it hadn't yet become clear.
@Terry: You either misunderstood or are misrepresenting my argument. I think Highroller is town because he's (confidently) wrong about things. There is no "backdoor" there. Voting people for being wrong isn't a thing. And I'll disagree with the idea that I'm belittling his play. I am saying he's mistaken in his assumptions, I'm not saying he's playing poorly.
Further: the "super strong case on Rod" is his actions after the wagon started. Rodemy's extreme shutdown is caught-scum paralysis. He's ceased interacting with the game - he's not even voting anyone. Rodemy's usual aggression is absent. I voted him when I started to see that manifesting; I "didn't bat an eye" before that because it hadn't yet become clear.
So the example that comes to mind is when he was talking about [something flavorgamey I think] and goes "but I want to talk about this vezok inconsistency"
And like I didn't really agree with either thing he was saying iirc but it struck me as keeping a couple threads going in his head at once and it was smooth
If you ISO Kami you’ll see that Vezok is the only one he was talking to / about already when that post came.
There weren’t multiple threads really.
And what Terry says, Kami kept on doing: he calls Highroller town pretty fast and then keeps on saying how his arguments are weak.
It’s scum mindset. Kami isn’t trying to convince his town read that he’s wrong, he’s telling the rest of us not to listen to someone he thinks is town.
what if I also think highroller is town but don't really plan to listen to him much?
@Terry: You either misunderstood or are misrepresenting my argument. I think Highroller is town because he's (confidently) wrong about things. There is no "backdoor" there. Voting people for being wrong isn't a thing. And I'll disagree with the idea that I'm belittling his play. I am saying he's mistaken in his assumptions, I'm not saying he's playing poorly.
Further: the "super strong case on Rod" is his actions after the wagon started. Rodemy's extreme shutdown is caught-scum paralysis. He's ceased interacting with the game - he's not even voting anyone. Rodemy's usual aggression is absent. I voted him when I started to see that manifesting; I "didn't bat an eye" before that because it hadn't yet become clear.
@Terry: You either misunderstood or are misrepresenting my argument. I think Highroller is town because he's (confidently) wrong about things. There is no "backdoor" there. Voting people for being wrong isn't a thing. And I'll disagree with the idea that I'm belittling his play. I am saying he's mistaken in his assumptions, I'm not saying he's playing poorly.
Further: the "super strong case on Rod" is his actions after the wagon started. Rodemy's extreme shutdown is caught-scum paralysis. He's ceased interacting with the game - he's not even voting anyone. Rodemy's usual aggression is absent. I voted him when I started to see that manifesting; I "didn't bat an eye" before that because it hadn't yet become clear.
Nah, it’s a bandwagon vote on rod.
You say that like it's a bad thing. I'd argue Rod is super deserving of bandwagon votes at this point. He's done nothing to even attempt to clear himself when he's staring down the barrel of a lynch.
And he's paying enough attention that he answered my question on what he conceptualizes tom's scum game as but didn't offer any thoughts on his wagon despite multiple promptings.
Also just for the record I also was shading Highroller's claim idea's and diminishing the PM slip stuff while calling him town. Granted I'm not widely being town
At work today but the plan is to do my due diligence to make sure I don't prefer lynching Fuwa, Ruma, or someone else to Rod. Expect quote walls to follow.
@Terry: You either misunderstood or are misrepresenting my argument. I think Highroller is town because he's (confidently) wrong about things. There is no "backdoor" there. Voting people for being wrong isn't a thing. And I'll disagree with the idea that I'm belittling his play. I am saying he's mistaken in his assumptions, I'm not saying he's playing poorly.
Further: the "super strong case on Rod" is his actions after the wagon started. Rodemy's extreme shutdown is caught-scum paralysis. He's ceased interacting with the game - he's not even voting anyone. Rodemy's usual aggression is absent. I voted him when I started to see that manifesting; I "didn't bat an eye" before that because it hadn't yet become clear.
Nah, it’s a bandwagon vote on rod.
You say that like it's a bad thing. I'd argue Rod is super deserving of bandwagon votes at this point. He's done nothing to even attempt to clear himself when he's staring down the barrel of a lynch.
And he's paying enough attention that he answered my question on what he conceptualizes tom's scum game as but didn't offer any thoughts on his wagon despite multiple promptings.
Also just for the record I also was shading Highroller's claim idea's and diminishing the PM slip stuff while calling him town. Granted I'm not widely being town
I just don't know how. Usually it goes : ROD IS SCUM.. and then.. No wait it's just rod.
And the wagon on me is just ridiculous. Like, take out the stupid highroller logic here. What the **** have i done to become the lynch? And dont say it's the lack of things i have done. Because even if i do do anything, nothing is taken seriously.
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@Terry: You either misunderstood or are misrepresenting my argument. I think Highroller is town because he's (confidently) wrong about things. There is no "backdoor" there. Voting people for being wrong isn't a thing. And I'll disagree with the idea that I'm belittling his play. I am saying he's mistaken in his assumptions, I'm not saying he's playing poorly.
Further: the "super strong case on Rod" is his actions after the wagon started. Rodemy's extreme shutdown is caught-scum paralysis. He's ceased interacting with the game - he's not even voting anyone. Rodemy's usual aggression is absent. I voted him when I started to see that manifesting; I "didn't bat an eye" before that because it hadn't yet become clear.
Nah, it’s a bandwagon vote on rod.
You say that like it's a bad thing. I'd argue Rod is super deserving of bandwagon votes at this point. He's done nothing to even attempt to clear himself when he's staring down the barrel of a lynch.
And he's paying enough attention that he answered my question on what he conceptualizes tom's scum game as but didn't offer any thoughts on his wagon despite multiple promptings.
Also just for the record I also was shading Highroller's claim idea's and diminishing the PM slip stuff while calling him town. Granted I'm not widely being town
I just don't know how. Usually it goes : ROD IS SCUM.. and then.. No wait it's just rod.
And the wagon on me is just ridiculous. Like, take out the stupid highroller logic here. What the **** have i done to become the lynch? And dont say it's the lack of things i have done. Because even if i do do anything, nothing is taken seriously.
there was the whole 'notgoing to do anything even though i am the main wagon' attitude which is a bad sign.
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@Terry: You either misunderstood or are misrepresenting my argument. I think Highroller is town because he's (confidently) wrong about things. There is no "backdoor" there. Voting people for being wrong isn't a thing. And I'll disagree with the idea that I'm belittling his play. I am saying he's mistaken in his assumptions, I'm not saying he's playing poorly.
Further: the "super strong case on Rod" is his actions after the wagon started. Rodemy's extreme shutdown is caught-scum paralysis. He's ceased interacting with the game - he's not even voting anyone. Rodemy's usual aggression is absent. I voted him when I started to see that manifesting; I "didn't bat an eye" before that because it hadn't yet become clear.
Nah, it’s a bandwagon vote on rod.
You say that like it's a bad thing. I'd argue Rod is super deserving of bandwagon votes at this point. He's done nothing to even attempt to clear himself when he's staring down the barrel of a lynch.
And he's paying enough attention that he answered my question on what he conceptualizes tom's scum game as but didn't offer any thoughts on his wagon despite multiple promptings.
Also just for the record I also was shading Highroller's claim idea's and diminishing the PM slip stuff while calling him town. Granted I'm not widely being town
I just don't know how. Usually it goes : ROD IS SCUM.. and then.. No wait it's just rod.
And the wagon on me is just ridiculous. Like, take out the stupid highroller logic here. What the **** have i done to become the lynch? And dont say it's the lack of things i have done. Because even if i do do anything, nothing is taken seriously.
there was the whole 'notgoing to do anything even though i am the main wagon' attitude which is a bad sign.
*shrug* I got nothing.
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Need to reread the thread because I've definitely lost touch with the gameflow, but. Rod probably isn't mafia. And it's honestly that last post there that does it for me.
Looking at the game holistically, he's been the only one pressured, he claimed VT, and he isn't even trying to defend himself. That's...not really caught scum in general, and I think it really does mesh with a VT mindset. Caught scum try to get something out of their death - buddying, distancing, fakeclaiming, casting doubt, anything to benefit their team rather than just "lol ok bye."
He's not the worst lynch if consensus can't be reached, because vanilla + it'll put the PM quoting paranoia to rest, but since I've had time to marinate on whether or not I want Rod lynched, I'm swinging towards no.
(No, I'm not actually Rod's scumbuddy here, because if I was and wanted to save him, I would have started the attempt like, a week ago. Or nudged my buddies into doing it. And also told Rod to put in some actual work.)
There sure is a lot of Not Discussing Gozer going on here. Remember there are two substantial bandwagons we need to discuss. Would those voting care to explain their choice?
Regarding KamikazeArchon: I have no read on Kami one way or the other, but I feel it's worth noting that he was the first person to catch Rodemy with regards to the whole win condition posting thing.
And the wagon on me is just ridiculous. Like, take out the stupid highroller logic here. What the **** have i done to become the lynch? And dont say it's the lack of things i have done. Because even if i do do anything, nothing is taken seriously.
You tried to make an attack against me based on dubious reasoning, a faux pas that resulted in a great deal of egg on your face. When pressed about this, you immediately backed off and proceeded to tell everyone to unvote you, trying desperately to sweep everything under the rug. Rather than giving a consistent reason for your mistake, you could not keep your story straight, and have instead made multiple different excuses, at least one of which we know is an outright lie.
Rather than make any effort to defend yourself, you remained dismissive of the case against you long after a substantial bandwagon had formed on you. You then proceeded to throw a temper tantrum in the form of voting yourself when you weren't actually near hammering range, and making posts indicating you weren't even going to try to be a productive part of the game. At one point you even asked people to tell you what to post, which was eyebrow-raising even before vezok pointed out it's the same thing you wrote in a previous game in which you were mafia.
The real question you should be asking is how much of the predicament you're in WASN'T something you brought upon yourself.
Town is literally completely uninformed as far as Gozier goes. If scum have info, they're not going to share. If Gozier is a role, the person is not going to share.
So the choice really doesn't matter. It's 100% a shot in the dark. What is there to discuss?
Actually, if Gozier is a role, they are either not town (because town would inform everyone what's about to happen) or aren't aware of their identity/power for some flavor-related reason.
Town is literally completely uninformed as far as Gozier goes. If scum have info, they're not going to share. If Gozier is a role, the person is not going to share.
So the choice really doesn't matter. It's 100% a shot in the dark. What is there to discuss?
Then why are there significantly more votes on Gozerian than anyone else?
Nobody knows [what will happen], which makes it kind of a pointless argument.
And if someone does know, they aren't sharing.
You might be able to comb someone's posts and see hints of TMI, but given that Gozier could end up doing literally anything, I doubt your question is of use.
Nobody knows [what will happen], which makes it kind of a pointless argument.
FFS, It's not an argument, dude, it's a discussion. What is your problem?
Our options include:
1. Traveler
2. Destroyer
3. Gozerian
4. Not voting any of them
5. Two-way tie
6. Three-way tie
I think it's worth discussing those options, especially when flavor seems to indicate Gozer can at least be stalled by not choosing anything.
Also, you say there's no reason given to vote any one over any other, but clearly there's a strong preference for Gozerian. I think that's worth at least asking about.
You later tried to defend yourself by saying that you thought that since the mod didn't kill me, that I was lying. That also doesn't make sense. You didn't know the mod had posted the town role PM. How, if I were lying, would I be able to quote the town role PM verbatim? You're saying you thought I'd made up a fake role PM. How could I, independent of any knowledge of what the exact wording of the win condition for the town was, come up with the exact wording of the win condition for the town?
You're simultaneously assuming that Rod didn't know the town wincon was public and that he knew the town wincon verbatim. No?
Because that looks to me like Rod checked his own PM rather than the public one.
I know it's not an argument, I was just adding that extra bit to the original statement to make it clearer. Chill.
Did you seriously just tell me to chill when you made four posts in an hour trying to table a discussion?
Those aren't related. And yes, chill. You're assuming malice where there isn't.
Also, I changed my mind. It has the potential to be a good discussion. My reason for my vote is because I thought it sounded mild, but apparently it isn't, and I don't care enough to change it.
If Rod's scum, why is he suiciding over this whole slapfight with you?
Like clearly he'd know he's in the wrong if he's scum, and survival instincts would tell him to back off.
... What are you talking about?
Rodemy did back off. He immediately tried to drop the matter and sweep the whole thing under the rug, making a flimsy excuse for his actions that has subsequently changed over the course of the day. Also, I don't know where you're getting that he's been in a slapfight with me. In point of fact, his behavior has been largely characterized by him trying to avoid the subject, and he's broadly attempted to dismiss or ignore any calls for him to defend himself despite his having the largest bandwagon on him, which Rumanshi even pointed out this page.
Dropping the subject and pushing on someone are opposites, dude. You can't say, "Yeah, he dropped the subject and has tried to avoid it like the plague ever since then, but he was still pushing on it." That doesn't make any sense.
but he also kept his vote on you.
I mean, he already had his vote on me based on his belief that I'm a serial killer, which he maintained until page 5, when he dropped in favor of voting tomsloger, but that doesn't constitute a slapfight over the issue of the whole town win condition scenario.
I get that you're trying to work backwards from the conclusion that Rodemy is town, and are trying to find a path from where we are now to that conclusion, and I guess I have to give you credit for the amount of effort you're putting into this endeavor, but you're going to have to try a new tactic, because this one isn't working.
I'm also trying to get a better sense of you as a player. Two birds, one stone.
Not sure how much luck I'm having.
I understand that him getting lynched is probably better for the game, because even if I'm right, odds are high that he'll just get lynched somewhere down the line. But scum lynches are rarely this easy unless the player in question is a weak scum player, which Rod definitely isn't, so. Due dligience and all that.
I'll try to be back tomorrow night. Was gonna just work my way through the current Rod wagon, since Kami is on it and JT asked about him.
Gozer stuff: I believe a tie will be randomized which is how this sort of ability is resolved in case of a tie. As a result I'm voting to deny the destroyer form as it sounds killy. I'm largely indifferent on traveler vs gozerian.
Reread didn't happen at all because work was insane but they're coming soon.
And it does make sense, given my impression was that he tried to drop it because it was against the spirit of the game, while retaining his scumread on you.
Sort of having your cake and eating it.
I thought he pushed you more, but I skimmed his ISO and it's mostly just him being mad this you keep pushing it, so eh.
I'm so torn on Rods defeatism here. As many have said what the heck is the scum team doing if he's scum but at the same time the few check ins he's had have felt really anti spew. He's replying to mentions but not really taking any initiative at all. I don't really know who his reads are at all.
And it does make sense, given my impression was that he tried to drop it because it was against the spirit of the game, while retaining his scumread on you.
Sort of having your cake and eating it.
I thought he pushed you more, but I skimmed his ISO and it's mostly just him being mad this you keep pushing it, so eh.
Right, exactly. This protracted slapfight that you're arguing he steadfastly maintained against me never happened.
I'm also trying to get a better sense of you as a player. Two birds, one stone.
Not sure how much luck I'm having.
I understand that him getting lynched is probably better for the game, because even if I'm right, odds are high that he'll just get lynched somewhere down the line. But scum lynches are rarely this easy unless the player in question is a weak scum player, which Rod definitely isn't, so. Due dligience and all that.
I'll try to be back tomorrow night. Was gonna just work my way through the current Rod wagon, since Kami is on it and JT asked about him.
Here’s the thing: there is absolutely no reason for anyone not to be voting Rodemy for one very simple reason - Rodemy lied to the town.
When I made my post quoting the town win condition, Rodemy made his now infamous post calling out that I quoted the town win condition, and saying that it was against the rules to quote PMs.
Afterwards, KamikazeArchon pointed out that I didn’t actually quote anything, but if Rodemy thought I had quoted a town PM, shouldn’t he think I’m town, since it’s a town win condition, and therefore would be a town PM, and so why is he voting for a town?
Now, here’s the thing. If Rodemy had just said, “Oh wow, lol, you’re right, I made a mistake, I’m embarrassed,” it’s debatable how much further this whole thing would have gone.
But he didn’t do that. Rodemy’s response was, “No, see, because that was all part of my secret plan! I saw that Highroller wasn’t modkilled, so he couldn’t have been town, and so I was totally justified for continuing to vote for him even though he quoted a town win condition, because, AND THIS IS TRUE, even though I said that Highroller quoted his PM, and that it is not allowed to quote your PM, I actually DIDN’T believe that Highroller quoted his PM!”
(Anyone reminded of the character Mr. Satan from DBZ, and his attempts to parse how he was still totally the strongest person in the universe despite all of the shenanigans of the Cell Games and other DBZ events? I am.)
Obviously this argument is flawed for numerous reasons already stated in previous posts, which is why Rodemy has since changed his defense to saying that, no, he actually KNEW THE ENTIRE TIME that the town win condition had been posted in post 2. Smart people will notice that this is ridiculous because if Rodemy knew I wasn’t quoting my role PM because he knew the win condition was public knowledge, why point out that it was against the rules to quote a role PM in the first place - especially when I point out that the win condition was posted publicly in the post in question? Moreover, why would he expect me to be modkilled, or regard it as weird that I didn’t get modkilled, when no one gets modkilled for quoting a post made in thread?
Keep in mind that this is exactly as much sense as Rodemy has been making all game.
So yeah, Rodemy lied to the town. There is zero reason not to vote for him.
I have a scorching hot take that I only like 40% believe but that 40% wants to scream about it badly. But going with a disciplined approach as boring as that is.
I think I like Vaimes reaction to Highroller questioning him about his Gozer stance.
@Highroller ignoring the hedge do you disagree with the analysis underneath it? Anyway it's easy to be shameless when you have nothing to be ashamed of!
Fuwa reread done. She has 1.5 ridiculously scummy posts (for the same reason in fact!) but otherwise actually reads reasonably well. She's not exactly present but she's doing thing that feel like they are in the right direction. That said the readslist in 371 is terribad. Atog having a town read is not a good look at all. Then in her most recent post Rhand pointed out the problems with it pretty well. I'm only giving half credit though because by her standards it's actually a decent amount of effort which is a town indicator.
Rodemy has been defeatist for multiple pages now, and you’ve been - your words - calling for his blood. What about now makes things any different?
Go read my ISO I've been talking about that exact issue for a while. I was the first to bring it up (in the context of where are the counter wagons). It's weird, as either alignment. I think it's a scum reaction but it's strange as either. It's why I went into depth on why it was weird.
Go read my ISO I've been talking about that exact issue for a while. I was the first to bring it up (in the context of where are the counter wagons). It's weird, as either alignment. I think it's a scum reaction but it's strange as either. It's why I went into depth on why it was weird.
When have you indicated recently that you are torn on whether or not Rodemy was mafia?
That's not what I've said or been saying. I think he's scum because other things. I'm torn over whether I should read the defeastism and lack of counter wagons as a sign that I'm wrong. That's why I said I was torn over the defeatism.
I think I've decided the defeatism is not alignment indicative one way or the other. But I would like more discussion about it because it feels like it should be.
That's not what I've said or been saying. I think he's scum because other things. I'm torn over whether I should read the defeastism and lack of counter wagons as a sign that I'm wrong.
Yeah this isn't productive. It's obvious what you're trying to bait me into saying.
Which is exactly what my post says. In the first place.
If you want to run with this push then go for it but own it instead of trying to coach my line 60 minutes style. Push me for what I'm saying not what you want me to be saying.
There is a difference between "I'm having doubts about x" and "I'm not sure if n is evidence telling me I'm wrong about x."
Ruma's ISO was uninteresting. Lot of poking at Highroller over what largely seemed to be style differences. Reinforced my he isn't drawing attention to himself scummread.
Also this post being followed by this one is gross.
Discussion of Rodemy's early actions is actively harmful. I dislike it on principle because it is rooted in questions about the rules, as opposed to actions. Further, at this point it's a smokescreen. We have perfectly good reasons to vote Rodemy without paying any attention to those actions. I think scum is using this as an excuse to deflect away from Rodemy.
Lol.
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Further: the "super strong case on Rod" is his actions after the wagon started. Rodemy's extreme shutdown is caught-scum paralysis. He's ceased interacting with the game - he's not even voting anyone. Rodemy's usual aggression is absent. I voted him when I started to see that manifesting; I "didn't bat an eye" before that because it hadn't yet become clear.
Sorry, I've been using my days off to rest my brain.
I was a goat.
God I was great in that game
You say that like it's a bad thing. I'd argue Rod is super deserving of bandwagon votes at this point. He's done nothing to even attempt to clear himself when he's staring down the barrel of a lynch.
And he's paying enough attention that he answered my question on what he conceptualizes tom's scum game as but didn't offer any thoughts on his wagon despite multiple promptings.
Also just for the record I also was shading Highroller's claim idea's and diminishing the PM slip stuff while calling him town. Granted I'm not widely being town
I just don't know how. Usually it goes : ROD IS SCUM.. and then.. No wait it's just rod.
And the wagon on me is just ridiculous. Like, take out the stupid highroller logic here. What the **** have i done to become the lynch? And dont say it's the lack of things i have done. Because even if i do do anything, nothing is taken seriously.
there was the whole 'notgoing to do anything even though i am the main wagon' attitude which is a bad sign.
*shrug* I got nothing.
Need to reread the thread because I've definitely lost touch with the gameflow, but. Rod probably isn't mafia. And it's honestly that last post there that does it for me.
Looking at the game holistically, he's been the only one pressured, he claimed VT, and he isn't even trying to defend himself. That's...not really caught scum in general, and I think it really does mesh with a VT mindset. Caught scum try to get something out of their death - buddying, distancing, fakeclaiming, casting doubt, anything to benefit their team rather than just "lol ok bye."
He's not the worst lynch if consensus can't be reached, because vanilla + it'll put the PM quoting paranoia to rest, but since I've had time to marinate on whether or not I want Rod lynched, I'm swinging towards no.
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Regarding KamikazeArchon: I have no read on Kami one way or the other, but I feel it's worth noting that he was the first person to catch Rodemy with regards to the whole win condition posting thing.
You tried to make an attack against me based on dubious reasoning, a faux pas that resulted in a great deal of egg on your face. When pressed about this, you immediately backed off and proceeded to tell everyone to unvote you, trying desperately to sweep everything under the rug. Rather than giving a consistent reason for your mistake, you could not keep your story straight, and have instead made multiple different excuses, at least one of which we know is an outright lie.
Rather than make any effort to defend yourself, you remained dismissive of the case against you long after a substantial bandwagon had formed on you. You then proceeded to throw a temper tantrum in the form of voting yourself when you weren't actually near hammering range, and making posts indicating you weren't even going to try to be a productive part of the game. At one point you even asked people to tell you what to post, which was eyebrow-raising even before vezok pointed out it's the same thing you wrote in a previous game in which you were mafia.
The real question you should be asking is how much of the predicament you're in WASN'T something you brought upon yourself.
Right now Terry's climbed above Fuwa on my list of, "People we need to scrutinize the hell out of if Rodemy flips mafia."
So the choice really doesn't matter. It's 100% a shot in the dark. What is there to discuss?
It was a figure of speech. But I'll happily make one.
Because scum know it'll benefit them?
Nobody knows, which makes it kind of a pointless argument.
And I'm not arguing anything. I'm asking a question, a question which I believe is worth asking.
Nobody knows [what will happen], which makes it kind of a pointless argument.
And if someone does know, they aren't sharing.
You might be able to comb someone's posts and see hints of TMI, but given that Gozier could end up doing literally anything, I doubt your question is of use.
Our options include:
1. Traveler
2. Destroyer
3. Gozerian
4. Not voting any of them
5. Two-way tie
6. Three-way tie
I think it's worth discussing those options, especially when flavor seems to indicate Gozer can at least be stalled by not choosing anything.
Also, you say there's no reason given to vote any one over any other, but clearly there's a strong preference for Gozerian. I think that's worth at least asking about.
You said:
You're simultaneously assuming that Rod didn't know the town wincon was public and that he knew the town wincon verbatim. No?
Because that looks to me like Rod checked his own PM rather than the public one.
Also, I changed my mind. It has the potential to be a good discussion. My reason for my vote is because I thought it sounded mild, but apparently it isn't, and I don't care enough to change it.
If Rod's scum, why is he suiciding over this whole slapfight with you?
Like clearly he'd know he's in the wrong if he's scum, and survival instincts would tell him to back off.
Rodemy did back off. He immediately tried to drop the matter and sweep the whole thing under the rug, making a flimsy excuse for his actions that has subsequently changed over the course of the day. Also, I don't know where you're getting that he's been in a slapfight with me. In point of fact, his behavior has been largely characterized by him trying to avoid the subject, and he's broadly attempted to dismiss or ignore any calls for him to defend himself despite his having the largest bandwagon on him, which Rumanshi even pointed out this page.
Have you been reading the thread?
I mean, he already had his vote on me based on his belief that I'm a serial killer, which he maintained until page 5, when he dropped in favor of voting tomsloger, but that doesn't constitute a slapfight over the issue of the whole town win condition scenario.
I get that you're trying to work backwards from the conclusion that Rodemy is town, and are trying to find a path from where we are now to that conclusion, and I guess I have to give you credit for the amount of effort you're putting into this endeavor, but you're going to have to try a new tactic, because this one isn't working.
Not sure how much luck I'm having.
I understand that him getting lynched is probably better for the game, because even if I'm right, odds are high that he'll just get lynched somewhere down the line. But scum lynches are rarely this easy unless the player in question is a weak scum player, which Rod definitely isn't, so. Due dligience and all that.
I'll try to be back tomorrow night. Was gonna just work my way through the current Rod wagon, since Kami is on it and JT asked about him.
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Sort of having your cake and eating it.
I thought he pushed you more, but I skimmed his ISO and it's mostly just him being mad this you keep pushing it, so eh.
@Rod can you give a reads list?
Here’s the thing: there is absolutely no reason for anyone not to be voting Rodemy for one very simple reason - Rodemy lied to the town.
When I made my post quoting the town win condition, Rodemy made his now infamous post calling out that I quoted the town win condition, and saying that it was against the rules to quote PMs.
Afterwards, KamikazeArchon pointed out that I didn’t actually quote anything, but if Rodemy thought I had quoted a town PM, shouldn’t he think I’m town, since it’s a town win condition, and therefore would be a town PM, and so why is he voting for a town?
Now, here’s the thing. If Rodemy had just said, “Oh wow, lol, you’re right, I made a mistake, I’m embarrassed,” it’s debatable how much further this whole thing would have gone.
But he didn’t do that. Rodemy’s response was, “No, see, because that was all part of my secret plan! I saw that Highroller wasn’t modkilled, so he couldn’t have been town, and so I was totally justified for continuing to vote for him even though he quoted a town win condition, because, AND THIS IS TRUE, even though I said that Highroller quoted his PM, and that it is not allowed to quote your PM, I actually DIDN’T believe that Highroller quoted his PM!”
(Anyone reminded of the character Mr. Satan from DBZ, and his attempts to parse how he was still totally the strongest person in the universe despite all of the shenanigans of the Cell Games and other DBZ events? I am.)
Obviously this argument is flawed for numerous reasons already stated in previous posts, which is why Rodemy has since changed his defense to saying that, no, he actually KNEW THE ENTIRE TIME that the town win condition had been posted in post 2. Smart people will notice that this is ridiculous because if Rodemy knew I wasn’t quoting my role PM because he knew the win condition was public knowledge, why point out that it was against the rules to quote a role PM in the first place - especially when I point out that the win condition was posted publicly in the post in question? Moreover, why would he expect me to be modkilled, or regard it as weird that I didn’t get modkilled, when no one gets modkilled for quoting a post made in thread?
Keep in mind that this is exactly as much sense as Rodemy has been making all game.
So yeah, Rodemy lied to the town. There is zero reason not to vote for him.
Oh are you freaking serious, dude? This is just shameless.
I think I like Vaimes reaction to Highroller questioning him about his Gozer stance.
Rodemy has been defeatist for multiple pages now, and you’ve been - your words - calling for his blood. What about now makes things any different?
Fuwa reread done. She has 1.5 ridiculously scummy posts (for the same reason in fact!) but otherwise actually reads reasonably well. She's not exactly present but she's doing thing that feel like they are in the right direction. That said the readslist in 371 is terribad. Atog having a town read is not a good look at all. Then in her most recent post Rhand pointed out the problems with it pretty well. I'm only giving half credit though because by her standards it's actually a decent amount of effort which is a town indicator.
Go read my ISO I've been talking about that exact issue for a while. I was the first to bring it up (in the context of where are the counter wagons). It's weird, as either alignment. I think it's a scum reaction but it's strange as either. It's why I went into depth on why it was weird.
I think I've decided the defeatism is not alignment indicative one way or the other. But I would like more discussion about it because it feels like it should be.
Which is exactly what my post says. In the first place.
If you want to run with this push then go for it but own it instead of trying to coach my line 60 minutes style. Push me for what I'm saying not what you want me to be saying.
There is a difference between "I'm having doubts about x" and "I'm not sure if n is evidence telling me I'm wrong about x."
Also this post being followed by this one is gross.