I also still think high roller derp cleared himself with the role pm thing. I think he lucked out that it was actually in the opening post though because if it wasn’t it would have been a mod killable offense.
You must be really confused. What highroller did is not and will never be a modkillable offense. Quoting the first post is in the game is encouraged. He didn't derp clear himself. The only person who derped is Rodemy who kept voting highroller after believing he is town.
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Power wolfing with a self-voting VT claim and a perpetually sheeping LHF? I feel like that would take more time and effort I’d be willing to expend even with a freer schedule.
Anyway tom, you’re someone who’s scum’d with Rod before and seemed like. Passively disinterested in lynching him toDay, so I don’t really dig the jab at me there. Are he and Fuwa both hits? Do you think Fuwa’s vote is alignment indicative this time around for a specific reason?
I also still think high roller derp cleared himself with the role pm thing. I think he lucked out that it was actually in the opening post though because if it wasn’t it would have been a mod killable offense.
You must be really confused. What highroller did is not and will never be a modkillable offense. Quoting the first post is in the game is encouraged. He didn't derp clear himself. The only person who derped is Rodemy who kept voting highroller after believing he is town.
Dude, several of his posts refer to him quoting his role pm, like he full on owns that he quoted his role pm. If that information was not in the OP, he would have been mod killed. This is a strange point to focus on right now vez. Why do you care?
Anyway tom, you’re someone who’s scum’d with Rod before and seemed like. Passively disinterested in lynching him toDay, so I don’t really dig the jab at me there. Are he and Fuwa both hits? Do you think Fuwa’s vote is alignment indicative this time around for a specific reason?
yes I think the quoted post from PlayStation only bolsters my point.
Says it's a sheep, and only quotes a post saying she should have voted him based on her stance earlier.
So it's a) not a sheep and b) based entirely on the appearance of the vote
So yes to your earlier question I think it's rod and fuwa, looking for their other buddies
I also still think high roller derp cleared himself with the role pm thing. I think he lucked out that it was actually in the opening post though because if it wasn’t it would have been a mod killable offense.
You must be really confused. What highroller did is not and will never be a modkillable offense. Quoting the first post is in the game is encouraged. He didn't derp clear himself. The only person who derped is Rodemy who kept voting highroller after believing he is town.
Dude, several of his posts refer to him quoting his role pm, like he full on owns that he quoted his role pm. If that information was not in the OP, he would have been mod killed. This is a strange point to focus on right now vez. Why do you care?
THIS IS MY ******* POINT.
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You do understand the underlying argument rodemy was making, right?
Quoting Role PM is a mod killable offense.
Highroller didnt get mod killed.
Highroller must be scum faking role PM.
The thing that negates this is that the win condition has been posted in the thread.
It was an angleshooty thing that I disapprove of.
How many times am I going to have to explain this?
If the town win condition had not been posted - which is what Rodemy believed to be the case - and were I not town, how did I manage to post the exact wording of the town win condition? How would that even be possible for me to do?
Rodemy saw me post the town win condition without knowing that it had already been posted. He then complained that I had quoted my own role PM, which is in violation of the rules, but did not unvote me. He later made the excuse that he did this because he didn't believe it was my actual win condition.
This makes no sense at all. If I were able to quote the town win condition exactly, then the only way I could do that independently of anyone else posting it was if I got the town win condition in my role PM, which means I must be town. So if that's the case, why did Rodemy continue to vote me? Why would a town vote another town? And if the answer to that was, as he claims, he didn't honestly believe I was town, that makes no sense either, as were I not town, I wouldn't have been able to quote the town win condition verbatim.
Once again, the problem is not, and never has been, that it was angleshooty. The problem is that, by Rodemy's reasoning, I could only possibly have been a town, and yet he continued to vote for me anyway, and then tried to excuse himself by saying he didn't believe it was my actual win condition, even though it would have been impossible for me to quote it otherwise.
Everyone's seen the movie Ghostbusters, right? You know the guy played by Bill Murray? Do you think he's a serial killer?
Also, KamikazeArchon brings up an excellent point. How did you think that I was quoting my role PM there, with the TOWN win condition, and not unvote me? If you believe I'm town, why would you vote me like I'm suspicious?
... Terry, I literally just got through explaining this. It's one thing to not read the thread, it's another to not read the post right above you.
i did read your post and I disagreed with it which is why I quoted the posts you made that sounded like you were quoting a role pm and not the previously posted wincon from the OP. Just take your deep clear and be happy with it
You do understand the underlying argument rodemy was making, right?
Quoting Role PM is a mod killable offense.
Highroller didnt get mod killed.
Highroller must be scum faking role PM.
The thing that negates this is that the win condition has been posted in the thread.
It was an angleshooty thing that I disapprove of.
How many times am I going to have to explain this?
If the town win condition had not been posted - which is what Rodemy believed to be the case - and were I not town, how did I manage to post the exact wording of the town win condition? How would that even be possible for me to do?
Rodemy saw me post the town win condition without knowing that it had already been posted. He then complained that I had quoted my own role PM, which is in violation of the rules, but did not unvote me. He later made the excuse that he did this because he didn't believe it was my actual win condition.
This makes no sense at all. If I were able to quote the town win condition exactly, then the only way I could do that independently of anyone else posting it was if I got the town win condition in my role PM, which means I must be town. So if that's the case, why did Rodemy continue to vote me? Why would a town vote another town? And if the answer to that was, as he claims, he didn't honestly believe I was town, that makes no sense either, as were I not town, I wouldn't have been able to quote the town win condition verbatim.
Once again, the problem is not, and never has been, that it was angleshooty. The problem is that, by Rodemy's reasoning, I could only possibly have been a town, and yet he continued to vote for me anyway, and then tried to excuse himself by saying he didn't believe it was my actual win condition, even though it would have been impossible for me to quote it otherwise.
No, by rodemys reasoning you could have only been Scum. As. You. Werent. Modkilled.
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This is a stupid debate. Rods reason to push Highroller was an attempted angle shoot (it should have been asked in a private message and never mentioned in thread like all talk of potential modkills). Highroller made it sound in some posts like he was quoting his PM and in others acknowledged that it was from the rules.
Fuwa is being her normal scummy self and I don't know how to read her.
Tom is whatever the opposite of a mindmeld is this game.
And Ruma has slipped into his scum meta.
Vote: Ruma
Still want rod to be lynched but ruma csn get lynched too.
My issue with the Highroller/Rod situation is, if we move past the angleshooty, role pm scenario, there’s still no real reason that Rod can’t believe that Roller is scum. If
you were able to read the town win con in thread, it means you didn’t need to have received it in private. I’m not going to let Roller clear himself with that, just as I’m going to take his Venkman claim with some salt.
That being said, this is unlike the Rodemy that I’ve seen before. This Rod is a listless dish rag, being kicked around the kitchen floor. There’s no fire, no punch, no crazy theories.
In short, both slots are in flux for me, with Roller being >town and Rod <town.
Also tom standing up for Rumi doesn't feel like a scum move seeing as if they were scum together that puts them together in the beginning and i don't think tom is that careless.
if rumi were town and tom were scum, I think he'd be pushing for a lynch here.
If tom is town and Rumi is scum, then it's null and void but hey, 2 out of 3 point to a town tom.
Just because everyone seems to have forgotten the quoted post is why I think Rod is scum. This just isn't a town!Rod thought on page 1.
You do understand the underlying argument rodemy was making, right?
Quoting Role PM is a mod killable offense.
Highroller didnt get mod killed.
Highroller must be scum faking role PM.
The thing that negates this is that the win condition has been posted in the thread.
It was an angleshooty thing that I disapprove of.
How many times am I going to have to explain this?
If the town win condition had not been posted - which is what Rodemy believed to be the case - and were I not town, how did I manage to post the exact wording of the town win condition? How would that even be possible for me to do?
Rodemy saw me post the town win condition without knowing that it had already been posted. He then complained that I had quoted my own role PM, which is in violation of the rules, but did not unvote me. He later made the excuse that he did this because he didn't believe it was my actual win condition.
This makes no sense at all. If I were able to quote the town win condition exactly, then the only way I could do that independently of anyone else posting it was if I got the town win condition in my role PM, which means I must be town. So if that's the case, why did Rodemy continue to vote me? Why would a town vote another town? And if the answer to that was, as he claims, he didn't honestly believe I was town, that makes no sense either, as were I not town, I wouldn't have been able to quote the town win condition verbatim.
Once again, the problem is not, and never has been, that it was angleshooty. The problem is that, by Rodemy's reasoning, I could only possibly have been a town, and yet he continued to vote for me anyway, and then tried to excuse himself by saying he didn't believe it was my actual win condition, even though it would have been impossible for me to quote it otherwise.
BACK THE BOLDES THE **** UP PLEASE
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Also tom standing up for Rumi doesn't feel like a scum move seeing as if they were scum together that puts them together in the beginning and i don't think tom is that careless.
if rumi were town and tom were scum, I think he'd be pushing for a lynch here.
If tom is town and Rumi is scum, then it's null and void but hey, 2 out of 3 point to a town tom.
Just because everyone seems to have forgotten the quoted post is why I think Rod is scum. This just isn't a town!Rod thought on page 1.
And you know what is? Like is it too good of a post for page one? Why about this post is not town!me
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Also tom standing up for Rumi doesn't feel like a scum move seeing as if they were scum together that puts them together in the beginning and i don't think tom is that careless.
if rumi were town and tom were scum, I think he'd be pushing for a lynch here.
If tom is town and Rumi is scum, then it's null and void but hey, 2 out of 3 point to a town tom.
Just because everyone seems to have forgotten the quoted post is why I think Rod is scum. This just isn't a town!Rod thought on page 1.
And you know what is? Like is it too good of a post for page one? Why about this post is not town!me
No, it's not a town you post because there was no reason to make that read. You've scammed with tom before and know his tendencies. The reasons you gave to town read him don't apply to tom in the slightest.
My issue with the Highroller/Rod situation is, if we move past the angleshooty, role pm scenario, there’s still no real reason that Rod can’t believe that Roller is scum. If
you were able to read the town win con in thread, it means you didn’t need to have received it in private. I’m not going to let Roller clear himself with that, just as I’m going to take his Venkman claim with some salt.
That being said, this is unlike the Rodemy that I’ve seen before. This Rod is a listless dish rag, being kicked around the kitchen floor. There’s no fire, no punch, no crazy theories.
In short, both slots are in flux for me, with Roller being >town and Rod <town.
oh hey this is the first time I've seen town tubba all game
Where you been bro
This is a stupid debate. Rods reason to push Highroller was an attempted angle shoot (it should have been asked in a private message and never mentioned in thread like all talk of potential modkills). Highroller made it sound in some posts like he was quoting his PM and in others acknowledged that it was from the rules.
Fuwa is being her normal scummy self and I don't know how to read her.
Tom is whatever the opposite of a mindmeld is this game.
And Ruma has slipped into his scum meta.
Vote: Ruma
Still want rod to be lynched but ruma csn get lynched too.
good. Lets do this, biaatch. <3
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... Terry, I literally just got through explaining this. It's one thing to not read the thread, it's another to not read the post right above you.
i did read your post and I disagreed with it which is why I quoted the posts you made that sounded like you were quoting a role pm and not the previously posted wincon from the OP. Just take your deep clear and be happy with it
Ok, actually read what you quoted.
Do those quotes say I quoted my role PM? No. They do not. They point out that Rodemy thought I quoted my role PM.
No, by rodemys reasoning you could have only been Scum. As. You. Werent. Modkilled.
Which would have been impossible, as if I were mafia, how could I have quoted a town win condition verbatim?
Remember: Rodemy didn't know the town win condition was posted in the thread until after this whole fiasco happened. So by Rodemy's reasoning, that would have been an impossible act. How could I get the wording of the town win condition exact as a serial killer? Yet Rodemy continued to vote for me.
My issue with the Highroller/Rod situation is, if we move past the angleshooty, role pm scenario, there’s still no real reason that Rod can’t believe that Roller is scum. If
you were able to read the town win con in thread, it means you didn’t need to have received it in private.
Holy *****, how many times do I have to explain this? It's not that complicated.
Rodemy didn't know the town win condition was posted in the thread. So when I posted it, he thought I'd quoted my role PM directly. Yet he didn't unvote me (despite the fact that the only way I could have quoted a town win condition in his mind would have been if I were town), and he later tried to excuse himself by saying he didn't believe me at the time, even though that would make even less sense, because why would you disbelieve someone being town when he quoted the town win condition? How would this be possible?
He's been claiming it for a while. And completely ignored me (as did everyone else) when I quoted those same posts. You can pretty much see the post where he realizes he was wrong.
Anyway I'm curious why you think I'm scum. I'm pretty confident this is obviously my town game.
My issue with the Highroller/Rod situation is, if we move past the angleshooty, role pm scenario, there’s still no real reason that Rod can’t believe that Roller is scum. If
you were able to read the town win con in thread, it means you didn’t need to have received it in private. I’m not going to let Roller clear himself with that, just as I’m going to take his Venkman claim with some salt.
That being said, this is unlike the Rodemy that I’ve seen before. This Rod is a listless dish rag, being kicked around the kitchen floor. There’s no fire, no punch, no crazy theories.
In short, both slots are in flux for me, with Roller being >town and Rod <town.
oh hey this is the first time I've seen town tubba all game
Where you been bro
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Reading TRSJT’s posts, I understand better what Rodemy was thinking in the highroller claim weirdness.
And mulling that through, I have a hard time seeing those thoughts coming from scum.
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Reasons explained before.
@Grape: what is Ruma’s scum meta? And why did you just say scum meta and vote without explaining what her scum meta is?
He's been claiming it for a while. And completely ignored me (as did everyone else) when I quoted those same posts. You can pretty much see the post where he realizes he was wrong.
Wait, did Rodemy outright say he knew at the time he posted the posts in question that he knew the town win condition had been posted? I missed that. If so, that's demonstrative proof that he's lying.
Anyway I'm curious why you think I'm scum. I'm pretty confident this is obviously my town game.
First of all, when I said you were acting like mafia earlier, you said your mafia game and your town game are the same. You can't have it both ways.
Second, you're basically just doing the same thing you've done before with the volume knob adjusted. As I already pointed out, your earlier plays up through page 9 of this thread felt like what you were doing in Banned Mafia, just with you taking the note from that game to not do too much. Now, it's been a 180, with you now doing the exact same thing as earlier, except now you've taken the note that you were too milquetoast before and are becoming much more aggressive and outspoken, jumping on multiple wagons by outright voting for them instead of just trying to throw suspicion their way. Again, same basic action, just with the volume turned way up.
I will say that while you jumped on my list of suspicious people during page 10 and 11, this recent effort of people coming out of the woodwork to defend Rodemy is something I find far more suspicious.
I also still think high roller derp cleared himself with the role pm thing. I think he lucked out that it was actually in the opening post though because if it wasn’t it would have been a mod killable offense.
You must be really confused. What highroller did is not and will never be a modkillable offense. Quoting the first post is in the game is encouraged. He didn't derp clear himself. The only person who derped is Rodemy who kept voting highroller after believing he is town.
Dude, several of his posts refer to him quoting his role pm, like he full on owns that he quoted his role pm. If that information was not in the OP, he would have been mod killed. This is a strange point to focus on right now vez. Why do you care?
THIS IS MY ******* POINT.
This is what I mean. I don’t think any of this makes you scum, and they are both misreading the context, but now I do understand what Rodemy was thinking.
And I don’t think this is an angle scum would ever think of using to get a townie lynched.
So yeh, Rodemy and TRSJT are probably town.
I see Rodemy screaming. He's done that a lot today. What new revelation did you glean from this particular one?
I don’t think any of this makes you scum, and they are both misreading the context, but now I do understand what Rodemy was thinking.
Really? Because "what Rodemy was thinking" appears to be subject to change. It's changed at least once, and may have now changed twice. What we know is that Rodemy reacted to my posting the town win condition by saying that this was against the rules. Once it was pointed out that if that were quoted from my role PM, wouldn't I be town, and therefore why was he still voting me, he then tried to argue that he didn't actually believe it was my win condition (more on why that doesn't make any sense below). He is now asking for citation on the idea that he didn't know the town win condition was posted at the time, so it appears he's spinning a different story now, that he always knew that the town win condition was posted (despite calling me out for posting the town win condition).
But even if we take into account Rodemy's excuse that he didn't actually believe my claiming the town win condition based on the fact that I didn't get modkilled, that still doesn't excuse Rodemy.
I thought if he wasn't modkilled for it, he has to be lying. But that is a poor way to play and I am sorry.
This doesn't make any sense for two reasons:
1. I made that post at 4:46 AM EST. Rodemy made the next two posts in the thread, which are the posts in question, at 8:54 AM and 8:56 AM on the same day. The excuse that Rodemy posted it because he thought that my not being modkilled confirmed that I'm not town makes no sense whatsoever. Rodemy posted only a little less than 4 hours and 10 minutes after I did, and was the subsequent post in the thread. Also, again, I made my post at 4:46 AM in the morning. There was zero reason for Rodemy to have thought Cantripmancer had seen my posts even if they were illegal. So Rodemy's excuse has never made sense on that grounds.
2. Once again, and how many times have I had to write this out, that still doesn't explain how Rodemy could have thought I was lying, because I posted the town win condition verbatim. If Rodemy didn't know that the win condition had already been posted, and if I posted the exact wording of the town win condition, it would not make sense to think I wasn't town, because how did I get the town win condition exact? Moreover, I posted the exact wording of the town win condition in a post specifically saying that my rationale for previously saying that there might be a serial killer in the game was based on the wording of the town win condition. I go out of my way to call attention to the exact wording of the town win condition.
Rodemy's attempted excuse does not excuse his actions, as there is no logical reason for him to have disbelieved me. Saying I should have been modkilled doesn't make sense because there was no logical reason to think Cantripmancer had actually read my posts yet as there had been no update from Cantripmancer, and also because there's no reason to have thought Cantripmancer would have been reading the mafia thread at 6 AM on a Tuesday. Saying I might be a serial killer makes no sense because he still has to explain how I got the wording exact on the town win condition.
Yet he continued to maintain his vote on me, which he made on the basis that I was a serial killer because I proposed there might be one in this game, when I had just made a post that not only explains where I got that idea from, but also contained a town win condition that I - from Rodemy's perspective - could not have gotten anywhere else but a role PM.
So Rodemy's attempted excuse does not explain any of his actions.
You know what would explain all of his actions? If Rodemy didn't know what the town win condition was because he's not town and he glossed over post #2.
And I don’t think this is an angle scum would ever think of using to get a townie lynched.
It's not an angle he's using to get me lynched. It's an angle he's using to try to escape being lynched.
Yo highroller I know you're new and I'm pretty much just locking you as town between this and claim but you really don't know how this works dude.
Non town is almost always given a town role PM somehow. Whether it's in the OP like this game, or getting a fake claim as part of their role PM, or just a "hey mafia here's what a town role PM looks like" from the mod in the QT/discord.
That's standard exactly so these conversations don't take over games.
It is at least viable that rodemy is, an idiot yes, but telling the truth here.
Hell he could be mafia and still have thought not getting modkilled made you a lock SK.
And no one wants to engage you on this because it's not supposed to be part of the game. Which is not your fault it's rodemys but still.
Like, Idk man maybe he's scum I certainly don't agree with rhand that it's clearing for him at all but. Yeah it's whatever dude
^Tom just put this far more eloquently than I could.
It’s time to let this go and analyze more productive things. This is a logic circle that only gets deeper.
I like Roller’s vehemence here, it’s a town look to me. I’d like Rod to do something, but I’m probably just going to slot him scum until that happens.
I am gonna drop this subject due to the fact that i shouldn't be playing like this.
I thought if he wasn't modkilled for it, he has to be lying. But that is a poor way to play and I am sorry.
Yeah, bullcrap. If I were lying, how would I know the EXACT wording of a role PM I wasn't sent?
Vote stands.
That wording is in the mod's post #4. And you earlier acknowledged this yourself: "The win condition was revealed".
Yeaaaahhh
This is the realization post I was talking about.
@Rhand as town Ruma goes out of his way to rock the boat and draw attention to himself. He usually struggles with activity to some extent so a pure post count read is unreliable for him. His scum meta is much more low key. It seems to oscillate between hard lurking if his heart isn't into it (read: doesn't have free time) or be a lot more low key if he's around. He's less likely to draw attention to himself or take big swings. Given how sedate his posts have been I suspect this is his scum meta.
@Highroller I think I'm obvious this game no because my style of play or content is that different from my scum game but because I think my posting is relaxed here. I felt stilted in my last couple scum games and I figured my more flowy self was obvious here.
For the record so I don't have to say it again: I think Rod is scum. It's barely informed by the initial SK/illegal PM usage accusation. It's informed by his page 1 tom read, him not keeping his story straight on the highroller fiasco, and his inability to do anything under pressure here.
He might be real life busy and frustrated at this game so the third isn't a strong tell but the first one absolutely is.
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That wording is in the mod's post #4. And you earlier acknowledged this yourself: "The win condition was revealed".
Right, but Rodemy didn't know that.
Rodemy voted me believing that I had quoted my role PM.
False. I voted you thinking you were the serial killer. Then thought you were trying to prove you were town by “quoting your role pm”( but using the role pm in the beginning as a guide)
I never voted you for quoting your role pm, I just pointed out you couldn’t quote it. I figured I’d Catch scum due to not being modkilled. Make sense?
I DIDN’T THINK YOU QUOTED YOUR ACTUAL ROLE PM FFS.
I’m done explaining.
*ahem*
Uh-huh.
Vote stands.
Anyway more importantly you're jumping at shadows trying to find serious votes while giving a super flimsy explanation to town read tom.
Vote: Gozer the Gozerian
The last two quotes show a lie. Without 155 the I thought you were a SK for bringing it up, the PM stuff was just corroborating evidence line was plausible. 155 shows an effort to retcon his beliefs. Now can we please drop it.
I liked Joe's entrance at the time for the unadulterated "hey look at me" without actually doing anything. But as that vibe has continued past rvs I'm a lot less sanguine about it.
Feels more intentional as a pattern?
There's an... ok not really an exchange but when grape started pushing on rod for townreading me vaimes sort of tried to change the narrative to "rod/Tom is a weird thing" which I think is a little weird since I was the first to call rod out on it.
Reactions around highroller claim/mass claim suggestion tells me some stuff but most of it is, like, Ghostbuster hunting that doesn't really need to be public info yet.
Elijah has been talked about a little recently but rereading sod I'd be pretty hard pressed to want to lynch him over fuwa/ruma who give opposite info about him based on flips. I still don't think that's how scum would react to townruma, and also still like his early fuwa scumread (and also it's not w/w)
Top townreads from that chunk are highroller (though a lot of that is in retrospect. That dude just... has never rolled scum) and ETR.
Still kinda want to lynch the few rezombied posts but rhand has not pinged me the same way at all other than claiming mindmeld with [unexplained, general opinions]
Maybe add the slot to fuwa and vaimes for reread part 1 scumreads.
To clarify:
Townruma=townelijah
Scumfuwa=townelijah
Vaimes sort of nebulously works in a scumrodemy world but partially because if vaimes was town where are rodemys buddies to pick up on that narrative?
And hes sort of just confusing in a townrod world? Feels like it would be the town sort of confusing but not locked on that.
He did vote you for it, and the wagon got some traction.
No, he voted me prior to that post. Also, there was no wagon on me for that reason. Two people voted for me prior to Rodemy because I called for a mass claim.
You're going to need to give the first few pages of this thread a reread.
Question for you: why would Rodemy mention against the rules at all of he did not know it was a verbatim role pm quote?
Yo highroller I know you're new and I'm pretty much just locking you as town between this and claim but you really don't know how this works dude.
Non town is almost always given a town role PM somehow. Whether it's in the OP like this game, or getting a fake claim as part of their role PM, or just a "hey mafia here's what a town role PM looks like" from the mod in the QT/discord.
That's standard exactly so these conversations don't take over games.
It is at least viable that rodemy is, an idiot yes, but telling the truth here.
Hell he could be mafia and still have thought not getting modkilled made you a lock SK.
And no one wants to engage you on this because it's not supposed to be part of the game. Which is not your fault it's rodemys but still.
Like, Idk man maybe he's scum I certainly don't agree with rhand that it's clearing for him at all but. Yeah it's whatever dude
Wait, but would you be allowed to quote it?
Like, uou're saying that I could have been a mafia/SK/whatever and gotten a PM from the mod saying, "This is what the town win condition is," right?
Except wouldn't I be modkilled if I quoted that? Like, were I a mafia/SK, and I quoted that from a PM, I still would be modkilled even if I weren't town, right? I'd still quoting a mod PM.
Because if the answer's yes, that just illustrates yet another problem with Rodemy's statements, as the argument he was pushing was that he believed I was mafia because I wasn't modkilled, and in addition to how illogical that is for other reasons (again, it requires us to believe that expecting Cantripmancer to be checking the thread at 6 AM is a totally reasonable thing to expect), it doesn't work because I should have been modkilled irrespective of alignment for quoting that.
The last two quotes show a lie. Without 155 the I thought you were a SK for bringing it up, the PM stuff was just corroborating evidence line was plausible. 155 shows an effort to retcon his beliefs. Now can we please drop it.
Good catch. Yeah, that's without question Rodemy lying to the town.
^Tom just put this far more eloquently than I could.
It’s time to let this go and analyze more productive things. This is a logic circle that only gets deeper.
I like Roller’s vehemence here, it’s a town look to me. I’d like Rod to do something, but I’m probably just going to slot him scum until that happens.
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You must be really confused. What highroller did is not and will never be a modkillable offense. Quoting the first post is in the game is encouraged. He didn't derp clear himself. The only person who derped is Rodemy who kept voting highroller after believing he is town.
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But we have like ten days left, which is plenty of time to at least Encourage other people to participate a little more.
yes I think the quoted post from PlayStation only bolsters my point.
Says it's a sheep, and only quotes a post saying she should have voted him based on her stance earlier.
So it's a) not a sheep and b) based entirely on the appearance of the vote
So yes to your earlier question I think it's rod and fuwa, looking for their other buddies
THIS IS MY ******* POINT.
You can’t accuse someone of quoting their town role PM while scumreading them. That is impossible.
You need to explain this better because it keeps coming back to that.
You do understand the underlying argument rodemy was making, right?
Quoting Role PM is a mod killable offense.
Highroller didnt get mod killed.
Highroller must be scum faking role PM.
The thing that negates this is that the win condition has been posted in the thread.
It was an angleshooty thing that I disapprove of.
If that information were not revealed in the second post, I would not have quoted it.
I cannot attest to why Vez cares, but I personally am responding because you are completely wrong.
How many times am I going to have to explain this?
If the town win condition had not been posted - which is what Rodemy believed to be the case - and were I not town, how did I manage to post the exact wording of the town win condition? How would that even be possible for me to do?
Rodemy saw me post the town win condition without knowing that it had already been posted. He then complained that I had quoted my own role PM, which is in violation of the rules, but did not unvote me. He later made the excuse that he did this because he didn't believe it was my actual win condition.
This makes no sense at all. If I were able to quote the town win condition exactly, then the only way I could do that independently of anyone else posting it was if I got the town win condition in my role PM, which means I must be town. So if that's the case, why did Rodemy continue to vote me? Why would a town vote another town? And if the answer to that was, as he claims, he didn't honestly believe I was town, that makes no sense either, as were I not town, I wouldn't have been able to quote the town win condition verbatim.
Once again, the problem is not, and never has been, that it was angleshooty. The problem is that, by Rodemy's reasoning, I could only possibly have been a town, and yet he continued to vote for me anyway, and then tried to excuse himself by saying he didn't believe it was my actual win condition, even though it would have been impossible for me to quote it otherwise.
No, by rodemys reasoning you could have only been Scum. As. You. Werent. Modkilled.
This is a stupid debate. Rods reason to push Highroller was an attempted angle shoot (it should have been asked in a private message and never mentioned in thread like all talk of potential modkills). Highroller made it sound in some posts like he was quoting his PM and in others acknowledged that it was from the rules.
Fuwa is being her normal scummy self and I don't know how to read her.
Tom is whatever the opposite of a mindmeld is this game.
And Ruma has slipped into his scum meta.
Vote: Ruma
Still want rod to be lynched but ruma csn get lynched too.
you were able to read the town win con in thread, it means you didn’t need to have received it in private. I’m not going to let Roller clear himself with that, just as I’m going to take his Venkman claim with some salt.
That being said, this is unlike the Rodemy that I’ve seen before. This Rod is a listless dish rag, being kicked around the kitchen floor. There’s no fire, no punch, no crazy theories.
In short, both slots are in flux for me, with Roller being >town and Rod <town.
Just because everyone seems to have forgotten the quoted post is why I think Rod is scum. This just isn't a town!Rod thought on page 1.
Which is why I dropped it.
BACK THE BOLDES THE **** UP PLEASE
And you know what is? Like is it too good of a post for page one? Why about this post is not town!me
No, it's not a town you post because there was no reason to make that read. You've scammed with tom before and know his tendencies. The reasons you gave to town read him don't apply to tom in the slightest.
Where you been bro
good. Lets do this, biaatch. <3
You'd be surprised. I didn't when you first came here but I think I have the grasp of it now.
Ok, actually read what you quoted.
Do those quotes say I quoted my role PM? No. They do not. They point out that Rodemy thought I quoted my role PM.
It's called reading.
Which would have been impossible, as if I were mafia, how could I have quoted a town win condition verbatim?
Remember: Rodemy didn't know the town win condition was posted in the thread until after this whole fiasco happened. So by Rodemy's reasoning, that would have been an impossible act. How could I get the wording of the town win condition exact as a serial killer? Yet Rodemy continued to vote for me.
Holy *****, how many times do I have to explain this? It's not that complicated.
Rodemy didn't know the town win condition was posted in the thread. So when I posted it, he thought I'd quoted my role PM directly. Yet he didn't unvote me (despite the fact that the only way I could have quoted a town win condition in his mind would have been if I were town), and he later tried to excuse himself by saying he didn't believe me at the time, even though that would make even less sense, because why would you disbelieve someone being town when he quoted the town win condition? How would this be possible?
... Are you saying you knew the town win condition had been made public knowledge when you made these posts?
Congratulations, you've found a way to make even less sense than you previously were.
Anyway I'm curious why you think I'm scum. I'm pretty confident this is obviously my town game.
Okay then. I don't think I have a feel for my own game anymore.
Reading TRSJT’s posts, I understand better what Rodemy was thinking in the highroller claim weirdness.
And mulling that through, I have a hard time seeing those thoughts coming from scum.
vote Kamikazearchon
Reasons explained before.
@Grape: what is Ruma’s scum meta? And why did you just say scum meta and vote without explaining what her scum meta is?
First of all, when I said you were acting like mafia earlier, you said your mafia game and your town game are the same. You can't have it both ways.
Second, you're basically just doing the same thing you've done before with the volume knob adjusted. As I already pointed out, your earlier plays up through page 9 of this thread felt like what you were doing in Banned Mafia, just with you taking the note from that game to not do too much. Now, it's been a 180, with you now doing the exact same thing as earlier, except now you've taken the note that you were too milquetoast before and are becoming much more aggressive and outspoken, jumping on multiple wagons by outright voting for them instead of just trying to throw suspicion their way. Again, same basic action, just with the volume turned way up.
I will say that while you jumped on my list of suspicious people during page 10 and 11, this recent effort of people coming out of the woodwork to defend Rodemy is something I find far more suspicious.
You have a better idea of what Rodemy was thinking through reading posts that were not Rodemy's?
Would you care to explain that to the rest of us?
This is what I mean. I don’t think any of this makes you scum, and they are both misreading the context, but now I do understand what Rodemy was thinking.
And I don’t think this is an angle scum would ever think of using to get a townie lynched.
So yeh, Rodemy and TRSJT are probably town.
Uh...
Think I'm still into voting fuwa but I need to recenter
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Really? Because "what Rodemy was thinking" appears to be subject to change. It's changed at least once, and may have now changed twice. What we know is that Rodemy reacted to my posting the town win condition by saying that this was against the rules. Once it was pointed out that if that were quoted from my role PM, wouldn't I be town, and therefore why was he still voting me, he then tried to argue that he didn't actually believe it was my win condition (more on why that doesn't make any sense below). He is now asking for citation on the idea that he didn't know the town win condition was posted at the time, so it appears he's spinning a different story now, that he always knew that the town win condition was posted (despite calling me out for posting the town win condition).
But even if we take into account Rodemy's excuse that he didn't actually believe my claiming the town win condition based on the fact that I didn't get modkilled, that still doesn't excuse Rodemy.
Let's look at that excuse that Rodemy gave:
This doesn't make any sense for two reasons:
1. I made that post at 4:46 AM EST. Rodemy made the next two posts in the thread, which are the posts in question, at 8:54 AM and 8:56 AM on the same day. The excuse that Rodemy posted it because he thought that my not being modkilled confirmed that I'm not town makes no sense whatsoever. Rodemy posted only a little less than 4 hours and 10 minutes after I did, and was the subsequent post in the thread. Also, again, I made my post at 4:46 AM in the morning. There was zero reason for Rodemy to have thought Cantripmancer had seen my posts even if they were illegal. So Rodemy's excuse has never made sense on that grounds.
2. Once again, and how many times have I had to write this out, that still doesn't explain how Rodemy could have thought I was lying, because I posted the town win condition verbatim. If Rodemy didn't know that the win condition had already been posted, and if I posted the exact wording of the town win condition, it would not make sense to think I wasn't town, because how did I get the town win condition exact? Moreover, I posted the exact wording of the town win condition in a post specifically saying that my rationale for previously saying that there might be a serial killer in the game was based on the wording of the town win condition. I go out of my way to call attention to the exact wording of the town win condition.
Rodemy's attempted excuse does not excuse his actions, as there is no logical reason for him to have disbelieved me. Saying I should have been modkilled doesn't make sense because there was no logical reason to think Cantripmancer had actually read my posts yet as there had been no update from Cantripmancer, and also because there's no reason to have thought Cantripmancer would have been reading the mafia thread at 6 AM on a Tuesday. Saying I might be a serial killer makes no sense because he still has to explain how I got the wording exact on the town win condition.
Yet he continued to maintain his vote on me, which he made on the basis that I was a serial killer because I proposed there might be one in this game, when I had just made a post that not only explains where I got that idea from, but also contained a town win condition that I - from Rodemy's perspective - could not have gotten anywhere else but a role PM.
So Rodemy's attempted excuse does not explain any of his actions.
You know what would explain all of his actions? If Rodemy didn't know what the town win condition was because he's not town and he glossed over post #2.
It's not an angle he's using to get me lynched. It's an angle he's using to try to escape being lynched.
Question for you: why would Rodemy mention against the rules at all of he did not know it was a verbatim role pm quote?
Non town is almost always given a town role PM somehow. Whether it's in the OP like this game, or getting a fake claim as part of their role PM, or just a "hey mafia here's what a town role PM looks like" from the mod in the QT/discord.
That's standard exactly so these conversations don't take over games.
It is at least viable that rodemy is, an idiot yes, but telling the truth here.
Hell he could be mafia and still have thought not getting modkilled made you a lock SK.
And no one wants to engage you on this because it's not supposed to be part of the game. Which is not your fault it's rodemys but still.
Like, Idk man maybe he's scum I certainly don't agree with rhand that it's clearing for him at all but. Yeah it's whatever dude
It’s time to let this go and analyze more productive things. This is a logic circle that only gets deeper.
I like Roller’s vehemence here, it’s a town look to me. I’d like Rod to do something, but I’m probably just going to slot him scum until that happens.
Vote Rod
This is the realization post I was talking about.
@Rhand as town Ruma goes out of his way to rock the boat and draw attention to himself. He usually struggles with activity to some extent so a pure post count read is unreliable for him. His scum meta is much more low key. It seems to oscillate between hard lurking if his heart isn't into it (read: doesn't have free time) or be a lot more low key if he's around. He's less likely to draw attention to himself or take big swings. Given how sedate his posts have been I suspect this is his scum meta.
@Highroller I think I'm obvious this game no because my style of play or content is that different from my scum game but because I think my posting is relaxed here. I felt stilted in my last couple scum games and I figured my more flowy self was obvious here.
He might be real life busy and frustrated at this game so the third isn't a strong tell but the first one absolutely is.
I liked Joe's entrance at the time for the unadulterated "hey look at me" without actually doing anything. But as that vibe has continued past rvs I'm a lot less sanguine about it.
Feels more intentional as a pattern?
There's an... ok not really an exchange but when grape started pushing on rod for townreading me vaimes sort of tried to change the narrative to "rod/Tom is a weird thing" which I think is a little weird since I was the first to call rod out on it.
Reactions around highroller claim/mass claim suggestion tells me some stuff but most of it is, like, Ghostbuster hunting that doesn't really need to be public info yet.
Elijah has been talked about a little recently but rereading sod I'd be pretty hard pressed to want to lynch him over fuwa/ruma who give opposite info about him based on flips. I still don't think that's how scum would react to townruma, and also still like his early fuwa scumread (and also it's not w/w)
Top townreads from that chunk are highroller (though a lot of that is in retrospect. That dude just... has never rolled scum) and ETR.
Still kinda want to lynch the few rezombied posts but rhand has not pinged me the same way at all other than claiming mindmeld with [unexplained, general opinions]
Maybe add the slot to fuwa and vaimes for reread part 1 scumreads.
Townruma=townelijah
Scumfuwa=townelijah
Vaimes sort of nebulously works in a scumrodemy world but partially because if vaimes was town where are rodemys buddies to pick up on that narrative?
And hes sort of just confusing in a townrod world? Feels like it would be the town sort of confusing but not locked on that.
You're going to need to give the first few pages of this thread a reread.
... Because I put it in a quote.
Reread page 2, man.
Wait, but would you be allowed to quote it?
Like, uou're saying that I could have been a mafia/SK/whatever and gotten a PM from the mod saying, "This is what the town win condition is," right?
Except wouldn't I be modkilled if I quoted that? Like, were I a mafia/SK, and I quoted that from a PM, I still would be modkilled even if I weren't town, right? I'd still quoting a mod PM.
Because if the answer's yes, that just illustrates yet another problem with Rodemy's statements, as the argument he was pushing was that he believed I was mafia because I wasn't modkilled, and in addition to how illogical that is for other reasons (again, it requires us to believe that expecting Cantripmancer to be checking the thread at 6 AM is a totally reasonable thing to expect), it doesn't work because I should have been modkilled irrespective of alignment for quoting that.
Good catch. Yeah, that's without question Rodemy lying to the town.
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