Townie wincon: You win with the town, when all mafia have been eliminated.
Mafia wincon: You win when the Mafia controls the vote.
On the battlefield (9)
1. Iso
3. Vezokpiraka
4. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
6. KamikazeArchon
7. Highroller
8. Rezombied
9. Azrael (replacing M00S12)
10. Axelrod
12. ganderin_dan
The Graveyard (4) Mons' Goblin Raiders, Townie Goblin, corpse discovered Day 1, body dug up and devoured Night 1. Grapefruit21, Gifts Ungiven, Mafia Roleblocker, lynched Day 1 Bur, Karakas, Mafia Redirector, killed Night 1 Cantripmancer, Tolarian Academy, Townie Mana Producer killed Night 1 Mons' Goblin Raiders, Townie Goblin, corpse discovered Day 2
Exiled (2) Black Lotus, The Most Valuable Banned Card, Neutral Victim - murdered during signups M00S12, the First One Replaced- left here as an example to the others
Replacements (2)
1. Azrael
2. Tomsloger
General Rules (donated generously by Osieorb, one of my reviewers for this game)
#0: I am the host and I reserve the rights to change these rules.
I am the final arbiter of role interactions and game rule infringements. I will never lie or intentionally mislead you. If you have a problem with a ruling I make, please shelve it until after the game. To the best of my and my reviewers' knowledge, this is not a bastard game.
#1: Follow the spirit of these rules in addition to the letter.
These rules direct the actions of human beings and are enforced by human beings. I am lenient in many a case, as I know that human beings are fallible and that players often don't read the rules. That said, I do not like to have to warn the same player for the same rule multiple times.
If you try to cheat the game or the game rules in any manner, usually it will be discovered. As of the writing of this rule, I only have one offense for which I would blacklist a player, and my blacklist contains zero players. That offense is intentionally and knowingly cheating. If I catch you intentionally and knowingly cheating, not only will you be immediately modkilled, not only will I not allow you in any games I run in the future, but I will do everything in my power to ensure that you do not participate in any other games on this site or in any other community in which I play Mafia.
If you believe that you have found a mistake or loophole in these rules, please discuss it with me before posting.
#2: Have fun, be respectful towards the other players and follow the normal forum rules. This is a game, which we're playing for fun. Expect a low tolerance for toxicity.
You are responsible for following all forum and subforum rules and guidelines. Forum-wide rules are available here. Mafia subforum rules are available here. Additional subforum rules are here:
-Game Limit-
Players may participate in only three games at any given time. An exception to this rule can be made by moderators in need of a replacement for a game, if no other replacement can be found.
-Suicide-
If you no longer wish to participate in a game for any reason, contact the moderator. Do NOT attempt to force the moderator to modkill you.
-Current Game Discussion-
A player in an ongoing game may not discuss that game with any other player in that game, or in public forums. Also, it is a good idea to ask permission before discussing the game with anyone outside the game, because they can no longer replace into the game once any meaningful discussion takes place.
-Cryptoclaims-
Unless explicitly authorized by the game moderator in their opening rules section, cryptoclaims are forbidden.
-Out-of-game Promises-
Players may not use out-of-game promises (example: I swear on my grandmother's life, I bet you my entire collection of magic cards, etc.) in an effort to influence other players.
-Multiple Players On One Account
"Hydra" accounts - multiple people playing and posting as one player with shared access to the "gimmick" account, are not allowed unless they have prior approval from the specific game Moderator. Please do not do this on your own.
-Traitor/Alignment Switching Roles
Game moderators are strongly encouraged to be extraordinarily careful if they seek to include a traitor role in their designs. These roles are notorious for causing games to implode, for creating fairness concerns, and for the challenge they pose to the town's behavioral analysis. (See Discussion in Council Thread, Post 3351, onwards.)
Mafia is a game, we’re here to have fun. Please be respectful of your fellow players. Sometimes emotions run high and we get caught up in the moment. That is not an excuse for flaming or poor sportsmanship.
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The rule of thumb is to criticize the idea, not the person. You may think a deck is bad, and you may say so (though make it constructive), but a deck being bad doesn't make the poster an idiot. Be respectful.
Responding to other people with unwarranted hostility, picking fights and in general being a jerk to other members is also grounds for moderation. Remember, it is everyone's job to be friendly and civilized, and maintain other users' good forum experience. We want people to get along.
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While I don't care about cursing, I will report, replace, and/or modkill you for derogatory content, in particular, slurs, in relation to another user or person, at my own reasonable discretion.
#3: Keep the out-of-game separate from the in-game. This is a modkillable offense.
DO NOT talk about this game outside of this thread and quicktopic links or PMs given to you in your role PM or approved by me. Please ensure I am copied in on any out-of-game messages sent to other players.
DO NOT directly quote or screenshot your role PM or any private communications (QuickTopics, etc.) when posting in the main game thread. This includes mason chats and scum chats. Please paraphrase - if you are in doubt, ask me before posting!
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When generating (or faking, as applicable) reads, DO NOT use angleshooting or out of game knowledge, to the best of your ability. This means do not use the timing, reasons, or order of substitutions and modkills to influence others, do not use the timing or phrasing of role PMs to influence others, do not make alignment bets with out of game consequences, and do not use “trust tells” or similar. This list is not exhaustive.
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Not reading your Role PM is a form of cheating. I consider there to only be one, lifetime alert for this. If I know that a player knows that they must read their role PM, this rule will be enforced with great prejudice.
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#7: Post game-related content at least once every 48 hours. LET'S MAKE THIS A REPLACEMENT-FREE GAME, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
If you have not posted in 48 hours, you will be prodded. Failing to respond to the prod within 48 hours will lead to your replacement or modkill. Content is, of course, subjective, but “Posting to avoid prod,” “catching up,” or similar short not-really-game-related posts are obviously not content. If you need to be absent for an extended period of time please post “V/LA until [Date]” in bold on its own line in the thread so that I and the other players know when you’ll be back. You do not need to explain your reasons for being absent in thread. If you will be gone for more than four or five days you should consider requesting replacement.
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While I will not enforce a strict posting maximum, site rules include a limit of three posts in a row. The site moderators will enforce this, not me. While I may attempt to waive the posting restriction under certain circumstances by talking to said moderators, if I myself feel that you're posting too much in a row (more than five posts in a row for any reason is generally excessive), action may be taken ranging from a warning to eventual replacement/modkill. That said, I do not usually consider simple edits by way of double posting in this context, unless it is egregious.
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I will be particularly unlikely to answer questions posed to me in the game thread other than questions about vote counts or deadlines. If you raise a question in a private message that needs addressing to the entire game (regarding a special rule or similar), I will respond as I feel is appropriate.
#10: Once a lynch is reached, votes are considered locked in. Votes and unvotes made after that will not be counted. (This is known as the Twilight phase.)
#11: If deadline is reached and no player fulfills the requirements to be lynched, the day ends with no lynch.
#12: Make your votes clear to the mod. BOLD your votes and place them on a separate line.
Unbolded votes will not be counted, nor will votes in the middle of a huge wall of text. Unvoting is helpful but is not required.
#13: Scum players may submit actions for other scum players if the other scum player has not submitted an action. However, if the other player ever submits an action, their fellow scum cannot change what that player submitted.
#14: DO NOT POST IN THE THREAD DURING THE NIGHT PHASE, UNLESS YOUR ROLE SAYS OTHERWISE.
TL;DR: Be excellent to each other, don't be inactive, ask me questions in private when possible, don’t edit or delete posts, no funny business involving cryptography, etc. and... have fun, that’s the whole point.
One day, Mark Rosewater opened his folder. Not the one with the seven hundred hundroogs, or the one with the seventy 7th edition serra angels. No, this was his banned folder. His guilty pleasures folder. The folder with all of the current banlist, many cards of which were his design.
His gasp could be heard from two houses away.
SOMEONE RIPPED UP HIS ALPHA BLACK LOTUS!!!
MaRo ran away to his cupboard under the stairs, locked the door, and started crying. He'll be there for several weeks, so don't worry about him any longer.
To the backdrop of MaRo's whimpers, the remaining cards in the banned folder started whispering amongst themselves. They knew it was no human who did this, no. This was a crime that was committed out of JEALOUSY, of one card to another.
Resolutely, the twelve bravest cards looked suspiciously around the rest of the folder. Someone's going to pay for this. And the price will be high.
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The sound of binder pages rubbing against each other as the 12 cards begin to rustle and jostle can be heard as the sun's morning rays begin to creep in through the sole window in the room. The aroma of mint-condition cards fills your nostrils as the cards begin to pull themselves out of the folder one by one.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You guys are taking too long to respond. It's been like, 5 minutes since my last post. I've decided the mafia are Axelrod, ganderin_dan, and JoeTerry. I'm not gonna vote any of them, though. Riddle me that.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Actually, my understanding is the best way to win mafia is to assign all players a random number, and them proceed to eliminate them in that order, as it's mathematically much more likely that -
So, if anyone's curious, that Mon's Goblin Raiders is mine. I'm the Goblin Recruiter. I make goblins, and send them to the graveyard. Every day before dawn. That's my ability. Seriously.
I assume at least one person has an ability somewhere that does something to things in the graveyard, in which case, hey, knock yourself right out with that goblin. There will be another one tomorrow. You're welcome.
Man, this is awesome. I LOVED when Goblin Recruiter got banned, because it's hilarious that out of all of the cards of Magic, they banned a creature, and on top of all of the myriad of creatures that have been in Magic, it's a GOBLIN that gets banned?! Hysterical. So the fact that I'm this ridiculous goblin is the BEST. You guys can keep your Ancestral Recalls and your Mox Gems. I'm a banned CREATURE, fools, and I'm not even banned because I have ante or conspiracy or some scrub nonsense like that, it's cuz I'm straight up broken!
I think that we probably shouldn't claim anything else based on flavor. My role cares about card types and I wouldn't be surprised if scum roles did too. As much as I want to talk about my card because it's one of my favorites and just sweet!
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
So, if anyone's curious, that Mon's Goblin Raiders is mine. I'm the Goblin Recruiter. I make goblins, and send them to the graveyard. Every day before dawn. That's my ability. Seriously.
I assume at least one person has an ability somewhere that does something to things in the graveyard, in which case, hey, knock yourself right out with that goblin. There will be another one tomorrow. You're welcome.
Man, this is awesome. I LOVED when Goblin Recruiter got banned, because it's hilarious that out of all of the cards of Magic, they banned a creature, and on top of all of the myriad of creatures that have been in Magic, it's a GOBLIN that gets banned?! Hysterical. So the fact that I'm this ridiculous goblin is the BEST. You guys can keep your Ancestral Recalls and your Mox Gems. I'm a banned CREATURE, fools, and I'm not even banned because I have ante or conspiracy or some scrub nonsense like that, it's cuz I'm straight up broken!
Quake in your boots out of fear, n00bs!
Why did you decide to claim this, instead of being just like "well, if someone cares about that, they'll probably figure it out/ask the mod"?
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I think that we probably shouldn't claim anything else based on flavor. My role cares about card types and I wouldn't be surprised if scum roles did too. As much as I want to talk about my card because it's one of my favorites and just sweet!
Suspicions begin to blossom. Accusations are thrown. Really, though, most of the cards in play are just getting a little weirded out by the sound of MaRo crying in the room under the stairs. It sounds like a pair of randy geese are having sex in there, except instead of mating, they're just honking loudly at each other in between deep, shuddering breaths.
I think that we probably shouldn't claim anything else based on flavor. My role cares about card types and I wouldn't be surprised if scum roles did too. As much as I want to talk about my card because it's one of my favorites and just sweet!
There are multiple wrong things with this.
What I've claimed is inconsequential and at most restricts my claim further down the line. So it's just -EV if I'm scum or 0 EV if I'm town.
I didn't miss the post, but grape is not an all seeing oracle that everyone should follow. I decided against following his advice.
And lastly even if I missed grape's post and decided to claim an insignifcant part of my role, how does that make me scum?
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@Vez I'd think the claim is minorly +town to want to be preemptive/proactive with providing information. I'll echo GF in that we should probably keep claims to a minimum, however.
SOL seeking octogenarians or mature alpha gorillas for collaboration.
Must have pure motives and love grandfather clocks.
Respond here; I'll find you in your dreams.
Chromatics may apply, but YMMV.
@Highroller, that Goblin hasn't been recruited, he's been slaughtered. Poor guy is dead. Just what kind of Recruiter are you?
Vote: Highroller for suspicious mutilations of innocent Goblins.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
And lastly even if I missed grape's post and decided to claim an insignifcant part of my role, how does that make me scum?
I think you're scum because it looks to me like you're trying to get other people to ignore the advice as well and reveal something about their role.
I should have asked: why did you choose to ignore grapefruit's post?
How much time did you spend fabricating this reason for believing I'm scum? Simply put, it is impossible for me to control the actions of other players, by ignoring posts from others. I might exasperate people with this, but I'll hardly make them claim if they didn't really want to.
And even if I actually thought that my post would influence anyone, I'd still do it as any alignment as I have a strong history of suggesting different types of mass-claims early game even though almost the entire MTGS playerbase considers it a bad idea.
As for you question: I like claiming early and often. I also do things in game that I believe are better that the vast majority of players would consider awful. Even so, just because one player made a post suggesting people stop claiming, doesn't mean that is good advice. Why would grape's opinion hold more sway than both my and highroller's?
I have a question for you rezombied: Why do you think people are voting you right now?
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Plus, if I never hear someone call out someone else for being "too defensive" again in my life, it will not be soon enough.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Simply put, it is impossible for me to control the actions of other players
I might exasperate people with this, but I'll hardly make them claim if they didn't really want to.
Right, youre not telling anyone to claim. But it looks like you're trying to get people to give up information about their roles.
And even if I actually thought that my post would influence anyone, I'd still do it as any alignment as I have a strong history of suggesting different types of mass-claims early game even though almost the entire MTGS playerbase considers it a bad idea.
I don't care. "I do this every game" isn't really a valid argument to me right now.
Why would grape's opinion hold more sway than both my and highroller's?
1. Highroller came out with his thing.
2. Grape said: "I think that we probably shouldn't claim anything else based on flavor. My role cares about card types and I wouldn't be surprised if scum roles did too. "
3. You said "Don't know what to make of highroller's claim. It doesn't help my role."
I'm still anticipating Highroller's response to Bur.
Grape backed up their reasoning for not wanting people to claim anymore.
You didn't add anything of substance.
Simply put, it is impossible for me to control the actions of other players
I might exasperate people with this, but I'll hardly make them claim if they didn't really want to.
Right, youre not telling anyone to claim. But it looks like you're trying to get people to give up information about their roles.
And even if I actually thought that my post would influence anyone, I'd still do it as any alignment as I have a strong history of suggesting different types of mass-claims early game even though almost the entire MTGS playerbase considers it a bad idea.
I don't care. "I do this every game" isn't really a valid argument to me right now.
just because one player made a post suggesting people stop claiming, doesn't mean that is good advice.
what good are you hoping to achieve by not following it?
More information in the hands of players. I consider that the town as whole can make better decisions when they know more about the setup. Scum can look at 3 roles, while town only at one. A better understanding of the game mechanics leads to better actions.
Why would grape's opinion hold more sway than both my and highroller's?
1. Highroller came out with his thing.
2. Grape said: "I think that we probably shouldn't claim anything else based on flavor. My role cares about card types and I wouldn't be surprised if scum roles did too. "
3. You said "Don't know what to make of highroller's claim. It doesn't help my role."
I'm still anticipating Highroller's response to Bur.
Grape backed up their reasoning for not wanting people to claim anymore.
You didn't add anything of substance.
You can't claim I don't add anything of substance to this conversation, when I am not even in it. I purposefully ignored grape's post and did my thing.
We are talking about the conversation now because you brought it up. I didn't even oppose grape's point. I haven't claimed anything remotely important, but you act like I went against grape's advice and claimed my card and my entire role.
I have a question for you rezombied: Why do you think people are voting you right now?
I don't care.
I don't care is not an answer to the posed question. I didn't ask you "how do you feel about people voting you?", but "why".
Either say that you don't know why people are voting you, even though I was asking for an educated guess or say that you don't care enough to answer my question.
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@Rezombified: Why is Vezok obligated to do so, when he was actively avoiding the subject?
@Vez By your logic, why don't you propose massclaims more often?
@KA What are you looking to gain out of #40? I never understand these types of posts. Either say why you think it's scummy or go about your business.
It almost invariably ends in me being suspected for being scum with no reason except "Boo, proposing massclaims is scummy." Also not all games need a mass claim of any type. For example, this game does not need people claiming just based on what grape is saying.
I don't remember exactly, but in the Team mafia game 2 I proposed a character mass-claim or Cantrip proposed and I just thought about it and Cantrip got some flack for it.
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I went I checked, Cantrip proposed the claim in the second post of the game. I agree with him at the first opportunity although I also had that thought before Cantrip posted, but I can't really prove that.
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@KA What are you looking to gain out of #40? I never understand these types of posts. Either say why you think it's scummy or go about your business.
Are you scum with Axelrod?
No.
What have you learned?
@Vez Ok. What do you think of the mindset behind Rez's line of questioning here?
I can't be certain of it right now. That why I'm prodding him with questions and trying to keep the conversation going. It could come from bad intentioned scum or townie who's tunneling. All I know is that the reason for scumreading me is made up after my questioning and I've done similar stuff in the past as town when tunnelling on someone.
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I went I checked, Cantrip proposed the claim in the second post of the game. I agree with him at the first opportunity although I also had that thought before Cantrip posted, but I can't really prove that.
Cantrip was scum that game though. And why is the flavor proposal relevant? Would it have helped solve that game? I'm guessing not since Cantrip was scum. Feel like he felt like his role would pass as townie.
After Phantom Tollbooth you're going to tell me that being defensive is a scummy trait for Vez? What exactly are you pointing to as defensiveness here?
A medium to high complexity role-madness mini about banned Magic: The Gathering cards.
The current Banlist
Townie wincon:
You win with the town, when all mafia have been eliminated.
Mafia wincon:
You win when the Mafia controls the vote.
On the battlefield (9)
1. Iso
3. Vezokpiraka
4. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
6. KamikazeArchon
7. Highroller
8. Rezombied
9. Azrael (replacing M00S12)
10. Axelrod
12. ganderin_dan
The Graveyard (4)
Mons' Goblin Raiders, Townie Goblin, corpse discovered Day 1, body dug up and devoured Night 1.Grapefruit21, Gifts Ungiven, Mafia Roleblocker, lynched Day 1
Bur, Karakas, Mafia Redirector, killed Night 1
Cantripmancer, Tolarian Academy, Townie Mana Producer killed Night 1
Mons' Goblin Raiders, Townie Goblin, corpse discovered Day 2
Exiled (2)
Black Lotus, The Most Valuable Banned Card, Neutral Victim - murdered during signups
M00S12, the First One Replaced- left here as an example to the others
Replacements (2)
1.
Azrael2. Tomsloger
General Rules (donated generously by Osieorb, one of my reviewers for this game)
#1: Follow the spirit of these rules in addition to the letter.
If you try to cheat the game or the game rules in any manner, usually it will be discovered. As of the writing of this rule, I only have one offense for which I would blacklist a player, and my blacklist contains zero players. That offense is intentionally and knowingly cheating. If I catch you intentionally and knowingly cheating, not only will you be immediately modkilled, not only will I not allow you in any games I run in the future, but I will do everything in my power to ensure that you do not participate in any other games on this site or in any other community in which I play Mafia.
If you believe that you have found a mistake or loophole in these rules, please discuss it with me before posting.
#2: Have fun, be respectful towards the other players and follow the normal forum rules. This is a game, which we're playing for fun. Expect a low tolerance for toxicity.
Mafia is a game, we’re here to have fun. Please be respectful of your fellow players. Sometimes emotions run high and we get caught up in the moment. That is not an excuse for flaming or poor sportsmanship.
Also, remember that image leeching is not allowed on MTGSalvation.
While profanity itself is not against the forum rules, and you are free to include profanity in your posts as appropriate, certain words are automatically censored by forum software. Do not attempt to evade the censor. Self-censoring, any attempt to 'cheat' a word past the censor, or attempting to clarify what a censored word is, are all considered censor evasion. If you're going to swear, just swear.
While I don't care about cursing, I will report, replace, and/or modkill you for derogatory content, in particular, slurs, in relation to another user or person, at my own reasonable discretion.
#3: Keep the out-of-game separate from the in-game. This is a modkillable offense.
#4: By confirming that you have received your Role PM you also confirm that you have read it.
#5: DO NOT edit, delete, or thank posts. Even if it’s an accidental double post. This is a modkillable offense.
#6: No funny business. DO NOT use invisible text, cryptography, tiny writing, hidden messages, acronym/alphabet claims, or similar. DO NOT post after you are dead. DO NOT post if you are not a player. This is a modkillable offense.
#7: Post game-related content at least once every 48 hours. LET'S MAKE THIS A REPLACEMENT-FREE GAME, IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.
#8: Do not spam the thread.
#9: I make no promises about public answers to any question. If you have a question about your role or a rules interaction, please communicate with me privately.
#10: Once a lynch is reached, votes are considered locked in. Votes and unvotes made after that will not be counted. (This is known as the Twilight phase.)
#11: If deadline is reached and no player fulfills the requirements to be lynched, the day ends with no lynch.
#12: Make your votes clear to the mod. BOLD your votes and place them on a separate line.
#13: Scum players may submit actions for other scum players if the other scum player has not submitted an action. However, if the other player ever submits an action, their fellow scum cannot change what that player submitted.
#14: DO NOT POST IN THE THREAD DURING THE NIGHT PHASE, UNLESS YOUR ROLE SAYS OTHERWISE.
TL;DR: Be excellent to each other, don't be inactive, ask me questions in private when possible, don’t edit or delete posts, no funny business involving cryptography, etc. and... have fun, that’s the whole point.
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Day 1 start
Votecount 1.0 - A honkin' good time.
Votecount 1.1 - Sharahzad
Votecount 1.2 - Shooting blanks?
Votecount 1.3 - Who yells loudest?
Votecount 1.4 - Shh, guys, MaRo's weeping!
Votecount 1.5 - Goblins on my mind...
Day 1 Lynch scene
Day 2 start!
Final lynch scene - A sad troll dies alone
His gasp could be heard from two houses away.
SOMEONE RIPPED UP HIS ALPHA BLACK LOTUS!!!
MaRo ran away to his cupboard under the stairs, locked the door, and started crying. He'll be there for several weeks, so don't worry about him any longer.
To the backdrop of MaRo's whimpers, the remaining cards in the banned folder started whispering amongst themselves. They knew it was no human who did this, no. This was a crime that was committed out of JEALOUSY, of one card to another.
Resolutely, the twelve bravest cards looked suspiciously around the rest of the folder. Someone's going to pay for this. And the price will be high.
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Day 1 has BEGUN!
With 12 alive, it is SEVEN to lynch.
Vote: vezok
Get your own timezone!
always vote iso
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Mod!Bur is good Bur, in game!Bur is best Bur.
(Thankfully I'm a mod, otherwise someone might give me a warning for spam)
(Thankfully I'm a mod, otherwise someone might give me a warning for spam)
So, which of you wants to make my last Mafia game (forever? for a long time? who knows) into my 60th town win?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso
Go read your role PM
Then do it again
Slowly.
That is all.
You know what? Nevermind, we'll just keep Iso at number one. Vote: Iso. Take that!
I think everyone should take Axelrod's advice by the way. I've had to read mine about 3 times to make sure I have it straight.
vote: TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Long name = scum
OMGUS VOTE: Moose12
So, if anyone's curious, that Mon's Goblin Raiders is mine. I'm the Goblin Recruiter. I make goblins, and send them to the graveyard. Every day before dawn. That's my ability. Seriously.
I assume at least one person has an ability somewhere that does something to things in the graveyard, in which case, hey, knock yourself right out with that goblin. There will be another one tomorrow. You're welcome.
Man, this is awesome. I LOVED when Goblin Recruiter got banned, because it's hilarious that out of all of the cards of Magic, they banned a creature, and on top of all of the myriad of creatures that have been in Magic, it's a GOBLIN that gets banned?! Hysterical. So the fact that I'm this ridiculous goblin is the BEST. You guys can keep your Ancestral Recalls and your Mox Gems. I'm a banned CREATURE, fools, and I'm not even banned because I have ante or conspiracy or some scrub nonsense like that, it's cuz I'm straight up broken!
Quake in your boots out of fear, n00bs!
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Why did you decide to claim this, instead of being just like "well, if someone cares about that, they'll probably figure it out/ask the mod"?
I actually have one my favourite cards. I'm sure you''ll love it.
Don't know what to make of highroller's claim. It doesn't help my role.
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I'm interested, too. Seems odd coming out the gate with it and I have a few theories.
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vote: vezokpiraka
Did you miss this:
Votecount 1.0
Vezok (1) - rezombied
Iso (1) - KamikazeArchon
KamikazeArchon (1) - Vezok
Bur (1) - Grapefruit21
Highroller (1) - Iso
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1) - MOOS12
MOOS12 (1) - TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
rezombied (1) - Bur
Holstered (4) - Ganderin_Dan, Highroller, Cantripmancer, Axelrod
There are multiple wrong things with this.
What I've claimed is inconsequential and at most restricts my claim further down the line. So it's just -EV if I'm scum or 0 EV if I'm town.
I didn't miss the post, but grape is not an all seeing oracle that everyone should follow. I decided against following his advice.
And lastly even if I missed grape's post and decided to claim an insignifcant part of my role, how does that make me scum?
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@Bur Care to explain?
Unvote
Vote Rezombied
Vote: Highroller for suspicious mutilations of innocent Goblins.
I think you're scum because it looks to me like you're trying to get other people to ignore the advice as well and reveal something about their role.
I should have asked: why did you choose to ignore grapefruit's post?
How much time did you spend fabricating this reason for believing I'm scum? Simply put, it is impossible for me to control the actions of other players, by ignoring posts from others. I might exasperate people with this, but I'll hardly make them claim if they didn't really want to.
And even if I actually thought that my post would influence anyone, I'd still do it as any alignment as I have a strong history of suggesting different types of mass-claims early game even though almost the entire MTGS playerbase considers it a bad idea.
As for you question: I like claiming early and often. I also do things in game that I believe are better that the vast majority of players would consider awful. Even so, just because one player made a post suggesting people stop claiming, doesn't mean that is good advice. Why would grape's opinion hold more sway than both my and highroller's?
I have a question for you rezombied: Why do you think people are voting you right now?
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vote vezok
Serious vote. Too defensive.
*twitch*
It's really not.
Plus, if I never hear someone call out someone else for being "too defensive" again in my life, it will not be soon enough.
Right, youre not telling anyone to claim. But it looks like you're trying to get people to give up information about their roles.
I don't care. "I do this every game" isn't really a valid argument to me right now.
what good are you hoping to achieve by not following it?
1. Highroller came out with his thing.
2. Grape said: "I think that we probably shouldn't claim anything else based on flavor. My role cares about card types and I wouldn't be surprised if scum roles did too. "
3. You said "Don't know what to make of highroller's claim. It doesn't help my role."
I'm still anticipating Highroller's response to Bur.
Grape backed up their reasoning for not wanting people to claim anymore.
You didn't add anything of substance.
I don't care.
Too offensive
No, it doesn't.
Well it should influence you.
More information in the hands of players. I consider that the town as whole can make better decisions when they know more about the setup. Scum can look at 3 roles, while town only at one. A better understanding of the game mechanics leads to better actions.
You can't claim I don't add anything of substance to this conversation, when I am not even in it. I purposefully ignored grape's post and did my thing.
We are talking about the conversation now because you brought it up. I didn't even oppose grape's point. I haven't claimed anything remotely important, but you act like I went against grape's advice and claimed my card and my entire role.
I don't care is not an answer to the posed question. I didn't ask you "how do you feel about people voting you?", but "why".
Either say that you don't know why people are voting you, even though I was asking for an educated guess or say that you don't care enough to answer my question.
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@Rezombified: Why is Vezok obligated to do so, when he was actively avoiding the subject?
@Vez By your logic, why don't you propose massclaims more often?
@KA What are you looking to gain out of #40? I never understand these types of posts. Either say why you think it's scummy or go about your business.
It almost invariably ends in me being suspected for being scum with no reason except "Boo, proposing massclaims is scummy." Also not all games need a mass claim of any type. For example, this game does not need people claiming just based on what grape is saying.
I don't remember exactly, but in the Team mafia game 2 I proposed a character mass-claim or Cantrip proposed and I just thought about it and Cantrip got some flack for it.
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What have you learned?
@Vez Ok. What do you think of the mindset behind Rez's line of questioning here?
Do I just ignore this naked vote?
Extremely important EBWOP
I can't be certain of it right now. That why I'm prodding him with questions and trying to keep the conversation going. It could come from bad intentioned scum or townie who's tunneling. All I know is that the reason for scumreading me is made up after my questioning and I've done similar stuff in the past as town when tunnelling on someone.
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Cantrip was scum that game though. And why is the flavor proposal relevant? Would it have helped solve that game? I'm guessing not since Cantrip was scum. Feel like he felt like his role would pass as townie.
Why did you snip the part of my quote saying I have a card I love to reply to me and say I'll love your card? Completely irrelevant but just weird.
Slightly different question to the rest swirling around this: do you think that highroller is lying?
Why?
After Phantom Tollbooth you're going to tell me that being defensive is a scummy trait for Vez? What exactly are you pointing to as defensiveness here?
Any reason for Kami over Bur? Both votes are skeeving me out.