Sarcasm was me being a little ***** to GJ by dodging his question. I don’t even remember who he asked about, Abu and Riku or something.
I don’t really care about Silver and Riku “joining” me, or at least with the implication that they followed me and didn’t have their own reasons for voting you.
I’m not voting GJ because who on earth would vote him with me? Literally no one.
TIL: "Constant postponing of scum hunting" = "Being too busy to get to a PC to read isos but still mobile posting and scum hunting / evaluating new posts."
TIL: "Constant postponing of scum hunting" = "Being too busy to get to a PC to read isos but still mobile posting and scum hunting / evaluating new posts."
Fair enough. It was mostly me being impatient, and it happened with almost all the other players at some point of this game. So yeah I take it back, its NAI.
I’m not voting GJ because who on earth would vote him with me? Literally no one.
Okay, but if you actually think he's a wolf and I'm not his partner, your vote makes no sense. That's why I asked why you voted me over him.
So... do you actually think he's a wolf?
1. It’s a compromise.
2. Kiiinda, but not in a way I feel I could adequately justify pushing. Life is hard when you’re trying to find the line between tinfoil and reality.
Alright. I've read Meteor's response to my case and like... well, here's a point by point, I guess.
But first, an abbreviated response to things he raised in his response to my case.
Making a mistake makes me mafia?
No, if you're mafia, you weren't making a mistake, you were trying to make Tiger look scummy and when he came back with a decent explanation you had to drop it.
There is a big difference between not knowing a role (framer) and not remembering from the OP roles that Tom doesn't use rolenames.
Not really, that spoiler is inside the setup spoiler and labeled "sample role pms." Would've taken, like, the same amount of paying attention to notice that sample PMs were in the same place as the set with the Framer explanation was. The Ruma stuff you talked about in this section (where you said it was NAI, and I said it didn't make sense for him to do as a wolf) is fine, I was just having some trouble following what you were saying.
I do believe that it can be coached and once again I don't like how you cast doubt about what I am thinking.
This is how I scum hunt. I read your words and try to get inside your head, and see if what you're saying is consistent with the mindset I think you would have if you are a villager. If I see stuff that is not consistent with that, like, I dunno, not following up on other people's mindset contradictions you seemed to catch, etc. then I ask questions to get to the core of the contradiction and try to expose you as either a wolf or a villager whose mindset is different than I expected.
In this case, I was doing an iso of you, and I saw a bunch of stuff that didn't make sense to me, so I pointed out all the contradictions and weirdness I saw at the same time.
What's really grating me is stuff like this: I actually said I think you would have said the "coaching tone" stuff regardless of your alignment, but it's somehow casting doubt on what you're thinking again. Like, I really, literally said I think that was a real thought you had but I apparently didn't actually say that because I prefaced it with "I disagree, I don't really think of tone as being coachable" or something along those lines.
And as far as asking the Miller to CC Ruma, I'm also trying to keep the game moving here and Ruma is barely posting, so it seemed faster to say "let's just have the miller CC him if they exist." At the time I said that it was mechanically identical, in my mind, to running him up, forcing the miller claim out of him, then having the miller CC him and lynching him anyway. If you actually think he's a wolf, why would you think it would turn out any differently? When run up is he going to magically claim Cop after he waved his claim in front of us? Doubtful. Very doubtful, unless he's town I suppose, but that's all, like, wine regardless. So, yeah. If you actually thought he was a wolf, what's the difference?
And the main event, in third person for everyone else:
He thinks it's scummy that I thought his attempt at miller cover was weird. Like, he apparently doesn't understand that I think trying to get the miller to out early is a pretty bad thing to do and that trying to sell it as miller cover while saying the miller should claim reads... really awkwardly? The RVS thing is, like. Yes, this is one possible explanation, but there's nothing to say that its more likely than mine.
His "it was a mistake" thing for the tiger plan argument is like. It's not really a defense. If he's a wolf, he's just lying about it being a mistake and was trying to make Tiger look scummy or trying to distance from him and then when Tiger had a reasonable explanation he just went, "oh" and dropped it.
His thing about the rolename trap is kind of the same, lol. Just, like, if he's a wolf this isn't really a defense at all. "You can't say I'm wrong, it's just an opinion and mine was genuine" is like, objectively true, but it doesn't actually tell anyone anything. Since I don't know your alignment, how am I supposed to trust that it wasn't what it looks like, a trap for people not paying attention instead of a trap for wolves?
He clearly doesn't get why people think he could be a wolf with Terry. Maybe that means he actually just, isn't, since if he was he would know why people think he is? (That's kind of an awkward construction; essentially, if he was a wolf with Terry and was concerned about his partner's activity, he would know that being concerned about your partner's activity is a thing wolves do, which he is stubbornly insisting is not a thing).
Re: the Vaimes mindset stuff, I guess being worried about the day ending was maybe a thing but it's also, like, never picked back up on after that, either.
Saying I didn't think any of his posts were townie and the sheer disbelief thereof is like. Meh. I think some of his posts were alright; the bit about the coaching was ~okay~ in that I believe he believes that stuff even though I don't, for example, and I quoted all the posts in context because I was taking them as a whole; some of those posts are individually, tonally okay, it was the follow up or overall mindset withing the posts I didn't like. And the Ruma stuff was fine now that I understand what he was saying. So, no, not every single post Meteor makes is wolf howling or anything like that.
My biggest thing now is that, like, the mindset behind this post is almost too... pure, I guess. He just doesn't "read" guilty because he's not even considering that I have to consider that he might be lying, or whatever.
Either I'm in a tunnel and he's actually just this pure and offended that I think he might be a lying wolf or... he's a lying wolf, I guess. I'd accept #hottakes on which one other people think is more likely.
I mean, if it's Vaimes or GJ I probably lose to them.
If it isn't Meteor it has to be two in [you / Ruma / Tiger].
I don't think he's a wolf, but at this point I don't think I'm going to convince anyone else of it and I don't think we can let him into LyLo, he's a mislynch waiting to happen.
I'd like to get a few thoughts about my Meteor read and how valid/invalid it is before I commit, but I'm not opposed to lynching him, I guess.
Speaking of, what do you think about Meteor's lack of a guilty mindset?
Well I think meteor is the least likely between you three. I appreciate the big post, but at this point it feels a bit desperate. I’m just super burnt out of this day. I could pick out multiple scummy things on that wall and I’m starting to think anything you post right now is just scummy. It may not be but I’ve burnt out and I’m stuck (subconsciously) tunneling until we get new info. Like I don’t even care really who we lynch right now.
Is it going to be you or Ruma? I just decided I’m not lynching Meteor today.
@Silver I feel like you can take almost any post in this thread and cast the same doubt like you did on mine, it's absurd. How am I suppose to react to a case where you take a bunch of stuff I said and go "no you said X but I think you meant Y". WTF is kind of case like this? Never seen it before in any game I played. If I said I made a mistake then I did, and if you claim I didn't and its some sort of cover how am I to react. Same with the miller cover and rolename trap and on and on...
Also, what do you mean about Vaimes mindset? I asked him to answer my questions that he missed so how did I not pick back up on that?
@vaimes and GJ and Tiger: you guys are my solid town core. Can we please come to a consensus? Talk to me here
Aww sad that I'm not in the towncore but we can talk anyway JT right? Did you ever do that Silver iso? I saw you mentioned planning to do Silver and Ruma, but only saw the Ruma one.
@Silver I feel like you can take almost any post in this thread and cast the same doubt like you did on mine, it's absurd. How am I suppose to react to a case where you take a bunch of stuff I said and go "no you said X but I think you meant Y".
That... that isn't what I did at all. Are you sure you've read my posts? I said what it seemed like you were doing to me. I never even said you're definitely lying, because lol, how would I know that? Like, yeah, sure, you could do that with any post in the thread probably. The difference is that I gave reasons why I think it's more likely you did that as a wolf, I didn't just say "this is a wolfy post because he could be lying," at least not most of the time.
WTF is kind of case like this? Never seen it before in any game I played. If I said I made a mistake then I did, and if you claim I didn't and its some sort of cover how am I to react. Same with the miller cover and rolename trap and on and on...
You, uh, aren't supposed to. It's not supposed to be a quote war or debate thing where you refute my points and prove your innocence, it's all just, like, my opinion, man. That stuff didn't make sense, to me, for you to do/say as town, or it came from a place that seemed like it was trying to smear other people, get them lynched, etc. etc. You can't refute that, it's just my opinion, and you aren't really... supposed to?
I have, like, dozens of similar cases and isos I've done across at least a dozen games and three mafia sites I could link you if you think this isn't actually how I operate.
I'm not always right, and I might even be wrong right now, based on your last response, but like. If that isn't anything like a case you've ever seen before I'm not sure what you think a case even is. If it isn't where you go through someone's posts and say why you think they're scummy, what even is a case?
Look, I'm going to level with you in case you are town.
Regardless of your alignment, this isn't anything personal.
Maybe you never, ever lie even as a wolf and I should just take your word for everything.
But I can't know that, and even if I did know that, I wouldn't actually trust it because it places an unfair burden on other people who do lie as wolves to not do that, and because someday you will lie as a wolf if you care about winning at all.
Like, this is a game of lying, manipulation and asymmetrical information we're playing for fun on the internet. You can't really expect me to just take your word for stuff if I think you're a wolf.
That said, I've already admitted I might be wrong and accepted your explanations for some of the stuff I initially pointed out, it's just that saying "I made a mistake," etc. could easily be a lie you're telling me as a wolf and I don't have any real way of knowing which one it is so it's not really an effective defense.
But that isn't even the point, because you aren't supposed to "defend" yourself against it anyway. It isn't "for" you, it's so everyone else can see my read on you and how I arrived at it, to generate discussion with other players and see if they agree with me, etc. Anything you could possibly say about the case yourself is wine unless it's a matter of something I've gotten factually incorrect.
Also, what do you mean about Vaimes mindset? I asked him to answer my questions that he missed so how did I not pick back up on that?
I was talking specifically about this contradiction you seemed to catch him in:
Saying you are not sure which one is better is a weird statement based on your mindset in your post #7, unless I am misunderstanding your post.
Personally I think keeping it a secret and hoping for valuable contradictory multiple checks are better.
It kind of just... goes nowhere after this, it reads like a throwaway interaction you didn't really care about. To me, anyway, but you've been drilling Vaimes on other stuff for a while so it's not really as important as it was when I initially posted the case and it's too late to actually be relevant at this point.
For me a case should focus on the person votes & interactions with others just as much as trying to understand if their posts make sense.
You seemed more focused on trying to see a hidden agenda behind my posts that doesn't exist rather than analyze my actions & dynamics with other posters.
Basically it felt like you assumed I am mafia and then analyzed my posts accordingly.
How is my progression of the reads on other players are the game? How am I reacting to other players posts? Does my votes make sense?
That's the things I would expect you to cover in a case.
I am not an expert on cases but that's how I see it...
Nothing taken personally of course, it's just a game
@vaimes and GJ and Tiger: you guys are my solid town core. Can we please come to a consensus? Talk to me here
Aww sad that I'm not in the towncore but we can talk anyway JT right? Did you ever do that Silver iso? I saw you mentioned planning to do Silver and Ruma, but only saw the Ruma one.
Talk to me hear, but I don't really trust you that much yet. I didn't do the Silver ISO yet, but I'll try to motivate to do so. It's tough because I don't really care who gets Lynched between the both of them, they're the scum team. I'll try to find some time to do that tonight if the Day drags on that far. Notice how Silver refuses to actually vote Ruma. The only reason I'm leaning Ruma over Silver is because Ruma isn't posting anything and Silver is.
Sorry, between university, assignments and work hours the best Ive been able to do is keep an eye on what your saying. Ill have time tonight to show my superiority once more.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
Alright, so it's do or die time. For starters, to anyone actually suspecting Meteor is scum, what the hell? With the setup as it was, Scum!Meteor would not un-vote me after I unvoted him. I was easy lynch. Like, so easy. Anyone of you would have been down to getting rid of this *****ty face. Scum!Meteor would have been still reading me as scummy, not unreliable town. Like oh man I don't get you guys. Meteor should be town from that, not scumread. Holy sheez.
Then, if it ain't Meteor and it ain't me, who else could it be?
Tiger
Vaimes
Gentleman Johnny
Silver
JoeTerry
Now, as logic dictates, we should not ignore anyone in our analysis, but you all single out ISO's of your scummiest reads... How about y'all ISO your towniest read, please? Or is it ya just only feel the need to mention you've ISO'd ya scumreads.
In continuing my idiotic thoughts, Silver was originally a town read. Unfortunately, his latest turn is urking me. I had a fairly solid idea of why I was town reading him, but he has gone and removed the only thing he had going for him for me.
UNVOTE Vote:SILVER
For these guys,If we list the order of who I find scummiest to towniest,
Silver
Gentleman Johnny
Joe Terry
Vaimes
Tiger
Well, I will continue adjusting and considering thoughts until I can make better thoughts.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
Vaimes probably doesn't even vote me if he's a wolf (unless we're partners, lol). I don't think he would think he could actually get me mislynched if he's a wolf.
Meteor is like, the best of the rest at this point.
Tiger's been playing fine, only one or two things I saw I didn't like, just... The wolves have to be somewhere and I don't think it's GJ/Vaimes/Meteor lol.
Keep an eye on Terry, I still don't like how he handled GJ's reaction to Ruma's post and his, like, suspicion of Abu for "paranoia" still doesn't really make sense to me.
I'm voting Ruma to self pres more than anything, still not really convinced he's a wolf here but he didn't give me much of a choice here.
Hard claim cop, though I think it's pretty obvious I'm not the miller lol.
I really, really don’t want to lynch Riku just because “what if we lose to scum openly trolling us!!1” and he’s making locking him in as town borderline impossible.
I do actually agree that Meteor feels too clean, to the point where it’s artificial. But also that it’s probably a him thing and not a scum thing, because I don’t think he really fits with anyone. Can you look at the last Cops game and tell me what you think of his behavior there?
@Vaimes People called me pure at Cops #1 also, apperantly that is a thing with me? For me the "to the point where it’s artificial" is actually Tiger. He is the one I am most worried is fooling me. But then I feel like its just paranoia and he is likely town who is just really pure.
So its 3 votes for Silver (Vaimes, Ruma and myself) compared to 3 votes for Ruma (Tiger, JT and Silver), with GJ as the deciding vote?
I think Terry is, yeah, because, like... It's not you or GJ, so it's either Terry+Tiger, Terry+Meteor, or Tiger+Meteor. I guess we lose to the last team by lynching Terry but I'm at about the same place as you and I think the NK is going to help more than the lynch since I'm the only one who seems to think you and GJ are both town. One of you probably eats the kill unless the wolves have a line on the miller and the way people who are wrong position themselves ought to be instructional.
Wolf on my wagon is probably Ruma, I guess, or whoever hammers. Don't really think it's Ruma still but PoE, etc.
I'll take a look at Cops 1 if I get a chance later.
I wish I could do this on anything but my cell phone, but here we go. Ruma is super scummy, see tigers last point. Both ruma and silvers votes on each other were so weak and reluctant. I could go through this thread and pick out 100 scum tells from silver. Just look at his vote on Ruma, seems so forced, but then the next post he makes is like oh I’m only voting him out of self preservation. Oh please. Scum team locked in. I’m arresting you and you can hang yourself in the slammer.
I am sorry, I had a bomb dropped t me with work where all of a sudden, I have two AP classes. I will try to post more in the evenings instead of the morning/early afternoon.
I wish I could do this on anything but my cell phone, but here we go. Ruma is super scummy, see tigers last point. Both ruma and silvers votes on each other were so weak and reluctant. I could go through this thread and pick out 100 scum tells from silver. Just look at his vote on Ruma, seems so forced, but then the next post he makes is like oh I’m only voting him out of self preservation. Oh please. Scum team locked in. I’m arresting you and you can hang yourself in the slammer.
I voted on silver cause i originally thought he was defending me, a cop, saying he thought i was the miller. When he stopped doing so, I figured he had to be scum. Not a weak reason, ffs. just somethimg I couldnt share to day 2.
I figured Tiger wasnt scum after the stuff that followed my vote. My investigation has proven that, he is town.
This left GJ, Joe and Vaimes in my POE.
Vaimes being the miller means its beyween GJ and Joe. And Joes hammer reeks of shade.
Its between GJ and Joe imho. Let's get this right.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
Well done town! Lynching godfather day 1 is simply brilliant.
Sadly I don't see the possible lock, but either way, I'd prefer it if you were not the last to claim, meteor. And I think JT can be among the last to claim.
You think I shouldn't be the last to claim after voting the godfather while everyone else was somewhere else and pushing for their lynch super hard? Sorry if I am too blunt, but are you drunk or high? Lol
I mean I don't mind claiming whenever but WTF is the logic behind being scared of me claiming anywhere..
Would you put JT to claim after me or GJ who were the first to vote Abu/Silver and push for their lynch? When he only voted as the hammer while sitting on Ruma the whole time? That is also strange to me.
Meteor, with all due respect, 4 players voted for Godfather. Every one of the four votes, including yours, may be a scum buddy distancing. In fact, in my opinion, the least likely to distance is JT, who hammered when the vote with Riku was tied and could have gone either way. But again, not impossible.
And I am not saying I am concerned about you, I still have other people way higher on my suspect list, but I was uncomfortable with you being the last person to share, that's it. No need to get too defensive about it.
I'm sorry if I am being too defensive but it's really annoying even after we got the godfather lynched when I was the first on the wagon it still feels like I am being suspected. Like I can somewhat accept it if Silver was the framer but anyway I will try to not be a baby about it.
I would argue that if that scum is the godfather and he wasn't likely to be lynched before my vote then that makes me not the framer, as I would have made sure anyone else would be lynched rather than him, including me. Unless I play to lose.
I am saying it does make more sense because JT didn't push when there were no pressure at all on the godfather like GJ and me.
As a framer it makes more sense to vote the godfather when there is a good chance the godfather is getting hammered without him anyway and then he would probably go down next, rather than starting a wagon on the godfather while no one else is pressuring the godfather.
But I think you understood me wrong.. of course hammering the godfather is townie I just have reasons to read the other players as more town. I am not reading JT as mafia at all.
I am glad this is passing the boring wait for others to come here and talk about the claim.
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I don’t really care about Silver and Riku “joining” me, or at least with the implication that they followed me and didn’t have their own reasons for voting you.
I’m not voting GJ because who on earth would vote him with me? Literally no one.
I didn’t know English wasn’t your first language, and maybe it was just the way you worded things that I didn’t like.
It’s not really something I can verbalize adequately. Suffice to say, you’re probably only scum with JT so whatever.
So... do you actually think he's a wolf?
Fair enough. It was mostly me being impatient, and it happened with almost all the other players at some point of this game. So yeah I take it back, its NAI.
2. Kiiinda, but not in a way I feel I could adequately justify pushing. Life is hard when you’re trying to find the line between tinfoil and reality.
But first, an abbreviated response to things he raised in his response to my case.
Not really, that spoiler is inside the setup spoiler and labeled "sample role pms." Would've taken, like, the same amount of paying attention to notice that sample PMs were in the same place as the set with the Framer explanation was. The Ruma stuff you talked about in this section (where you said it was NAI, and I said it didn't make sense for him to do as a wolf) is fine, I was just having some trouble following what you were saying.
This is how I scum hunt. I read your words and try to get inside your head, and see if what you're saying is consistent with the mindset I think you would have if you are a villager. If I see stuff that is not consistent with that, like, I dunno, not following up on other people's mindset contradictions you seemed to catch, etc. then I ask questions to get to the core of the contradiction and try to expose you as either a wolf or a villager whose mindset is different than I expected.
In this case, I was doing an iso of you, and I saw a bunch of stuff that didn't make sense to me, so I pointed out all the contradictions and weirdness I saw at the same time.
What's really grating me is stuff like this: I actually said I think you would have said the "coaching tone" stuff regardless of your alignment, but it's somehow casting doubt on what you're thinking again. Like, I really, literally said I think that was a real thought you had but I apparently didn't actually say that because I prefaced it with "I disagree, I don't really think of tone as being coachable" or something along those lines.
And as far as asking the Miller to CC Ruma, I'm also trying to keep the game moving here and Ruma is barely posting, so it seemed faster to say "let's just have the miller CC him if they exist." At the time I said that it was mechanically identical, in my mind, to running him up, forcing the miller claim out of him, then having the miller CC him and lynching him anyway. If you actually think he's a wolf, why would you think it would turn out any differently? When run up is he going to magically claim Cop after he waved his claim in front of us? Doubtful. Very doubtful, unless he's town I suppose, but that's all, like, wine regardless. So, yeah. If you actually thought he was a wolf, what's the difference?
And the main event, in third person for everyone else:
His "it was a mistake" thing for the tiger plan argument is like. It's not really a defense. If he's a wolf, he's just lying about it being a mistake and was trying to make Tiger look scummy or trying to distance from him and then when Tiger had a reasonable explanation he just went, "oh" and dropped it.
His thing about the rolename trap is kind of the same, lol. Just, like, if he's a wolf this isn't really a defense at all. "You can't say I'm wrong, it's just an opinion and mine was genuine" is like, objectively true, but it doesn't actually tell anyone anything. Since I don't know your alignment, how am I supposed to trust that it wasn't what it looks like, a trap for people not paying attention instead of a trap for wolves?
He clearly doesn't get why people think he could be a wolf with Terry. Maybe that means he actually just, isn't, since if he was he would know why people think he is? (That's kind of an awkward construction; essentially, if he was a wolf with Terry and was concerned about his partner's activity, he would know that being concerned about your partner's activity is a thing wolves do, which he is stubbornly insisting is not a thing).
Re: the Vaimes mindset stuff, I guess being worried about the day ending was maybe a thing but it's also, like, never picked back up on after that, either.
Saying I didn't think any of his posts were townie and the sheer disbelief thereof is like. Meh. I think some of his posts were alright; the bit about the coaching was ~okay~ in that I believe he believes that stuff even though I don't, for example, and I quoted all the posts in context because I was taking them as a whole; some of those posts are individually, tonally okay, it was the follow up or overall mindset withing the posts I didn't like. And the Ruma stuff was fine now that I understand what he was saying. So, no, not every single post Meteor makes is wolf howling or anything like that.
My biggest thing now is that, like, the mindset behind this post is almost too... pure, I guess. He just doesn't "read" guilty because he's not even considering that I have to consider that he might be lying, or whatever.
Either I'm in a tunnel and he's actually just this pure and offended that I think he might be a lying wolf or... he's a lying wolf, I guess. I'd accept #hottakes on which one other people think is more likely.
If it isn't Meteor it has to be two in [you / Ruma / Tiger].
I don't think he's a wolf, but at this point I don't think I'm going to convince anyone else of it and I don't think we can let him into LyLo, he's a mislynch waiting to happen.
I'd like to get a few thoughts about my Meteor read and how valid/invalid it is before I commit, but I'm not opposed to lynching him, I guess.
Speaking of, what do you think about Meteor's lack of a guilty mindset?
Is it going to be you or Ruma? I just decided I’m not lynching Meteor today.
Also, what do you mean about Vaimes mindset? I asked him to answer my questions that he missed so how did I not pick back up on that?
Aww sad that I'm not in the towncore but we can talk anyway JT right? Did you ever do that Silver iso? I saw you mentioned planning to do Silver and Ruma, but only saw the Ruma one.
You, uh, aren't supposed to. It's not supposed to be a quote war or debate thing where you refute my points and prove your innocence, it's all just, like, my opinion, man. That stuff didn't make sense, to me, for you to do/say as town, or it came from a place that seemed like it was trying to smear other people, get them lynched, etc. etc. You can't refute that, it's just my opinion, and you aren't really... supposed to?
I have, like, dozens of similar cases and isos I've done across at least a dozen games and three mafia sites I could link you if you think this isn't actually how I operate.
I'm not always right, and I might even be wrong right now, based on your last response, but like. If that isn't anything like a case you've ever seen before I'm not sure what you think a case even is. If it isn't where you go through someone's posts and say why you think they're scummy, what even is a case?
Look, I'm going to level with you in case you are town.
Maybe you never, ever lie even as a wolf and I should just take your word for everything.
But I can't know that, and even if I did know that, I wouldn't actually trust it because it places an unfair burden on other people who do lie as wolves to not do that, and because someday you will lie as a wolf if you care about winning at all.
Like, this is a game of lying, manipulation and asymmetrical information we're playing for fun on the internet. You can't really expect me to just take your word for stuff if I think you're a wolf.
That said, I've already admitted I might be wrong and accepted your explanations for some of the stuff I initially pointed out, it's just that saying "I made a mistake," etc. could easily be a lie you're telling me as a wolf and I don't have any real way of knowing which one it is so it's not really an effective defense.
But that isn't even the point, because you aren't supposed to "defend" yourself against it anyway. It isn't "for" you, it's so everyone else can see my read on you and how I arrived at it, to generate discussion with other players and see if they agree with me, etc. Anything you could possibly say about the case yourself is wine unless it's a matter of something I've gotten factually incorrect.
I was talking specifically about this contradiction you seemed to catch him in:
It kind of just... goes nowhere after this, it reads like a throwaway interaction you didn't really care about. To me, anyway, but you've been drilling Vaimes on other stuff for a while so it's not really as important as it was when I initially posted the case and it's too late to actually be relevant at this point.
You seemed more focused on trying to see a hidden agenda behind my posts that doesn't exist rather than analyze my actions & dynamics with other posters.
Basically it felt like you assumed I am mafia and then analyzed my posts accordingly.
How is my progression of the reads on other players are the game? How am I reacting to other players posts? Does my votes make sense?
That's the things I would expect you to cover in a case.
I am not an expert on cases but that's how I see it...
Nothing taken personally of course, it's just a game
Then, if it ain't Meteor and it ain't me, who else could it be?
Tiger
Vaimes
Gentleman Johnny
Silver
JoeTerry
Now, as logic dictates, we should not ignore anyone in our analysis, but you all single out ISO's of your scummiest reads... How about y'all ISO your towniest read, please? Or is it ya just only feel the need to mention you've ISO'd ya scumreads.
In continuing my idiotic thoughts, Silver was originally a town read. Unfortunately, his latest turn is urking me. I had a fairly solid idea of why I was town reading him, but he has gone and removed the only thing he had going for him for me.
UNVOTE
Vote:SILVER
For these guys,If we list the order of who I find scummiest to towniest,
Silver
Gentleman Johnny
Joe Terry
Vaimes
Tiger
Well, I will continue adjusting and considering thoughts until I can make better thoughts.
Wow that last post was awful, it's like he hasn't even read the thread.
No one is even voting Meteor, and I'm the one who freaking pointed out he wouldn't unvote as a wolf unless they're buddies lol.
He makes vague allusions to... something townie I did that I turned around without actually saying what that thing is.
I don't even think Meteor has people voting him now but apparently anyone thinking he still has wolf equity at all is a huge deal or something.
I'm going to be pretty cross if he's town here because I'm literally the only person who's actually defended him at all.
#218, you voted for me. Since then, I have not posted. Now, I am your strongest town read of the five. This makes no sense.
GJ's probably just town.
Vaimes probably doesn't even vote me if he's a wolf (unless we're partners, lol). I don't think he would think he could actually get me mislynched if he's a wolf.
Meteor is like, the best of the rest at this point.
Tiger's been playing fine, only one or two things I saw I didn't like, just... The wolves have to be somewhere and I don't think it's GJ/Vaimes/Meteor lol.
Keep an eye on Terry, I still don't like how he handled GJ's reaction to Ruma's post and his, like, suspicion of Abu for "paranoia" still doesn't really make sense to me.
I'm voting Ruma to self pres more than anything, still not really convinced he's a wolf here but he didn't give me much of a choice here.
Hard claim cop, though I think it's pretty obvious I'm not the miller lol.
I really, really don’t want to lynch Riku just because “what if we lose to scum openly trolling us!!1” and he’s making locking him in as town borderline impossible.
I do actually agree that Meteor feels too clean, to the point where it’s artificial. But also that it’s probably a him thing and not a scum thing, because I don’t think he really fits with anyone. Can you look at the last Cops game and tell me what you think of his behavior there?
So its 3 votes for Silver (Vaimes, Ruma and myself) compared to 3 votes for Ruma (Tiger, JT and Silver), with GJ as the deciding vote?
Not sure what to make of Silver's legacy post.
Wolf on my wagon is probably Ruma, I guess, or whoever hammers. Don't really think it's Ruma still but PoE, etc.
I'll take a look at Cops 1 if I get a chance later.
Unvote, Vote: Silver
Gl gl if so.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Silver (4) - meteor, vaimes, ruma, joe
Ruma (2) - tiger, silver
Vaimes (1) - gj
Silvercrys has been lynched
He was:
Mafia Godfather
It is now night 1. Do not post.
Actions due/day 2 will start late saturday morning (Pacific time), because that's when I'm available.
Vaimes has died. He was:
It is now day 2.
With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.
I voted on silver cause i originally thought he was defending me, a cop, saying he thought i was the miller. When he stopped doing so, I figured he had to be scum. Not a weak reason, ffs. just somethimg I couldnt share to day 2.
I figured Tiger wasnt scum after the stuff that followed my vote. My investigation has proven that, he is town.
This left GJ, Joe and Vaimes in my POE.
Vaimes being the miller means its beyween GJ and Joe. And Joes hammer reeks of shade.
Its between GJ and Joe imho. Let's get this right.
My personal prefered order of claims:
Riku (already claimed)
JT
GJ
Tiger
Myself
Any objections?
Sadly I don't see the possible lock, but either way, I'd prefer it if you were not the last to claim, meteor. And I think JT can be among the last to claim.
I mean I don't mind claiming whenever but WTF is the logic behind being scared of me claiming anywhere..
Would you put JT to claim after me or GJ who were the first to vote Abu/Silver and push for their lynch? When he only voted as the hammer while sitting on Ruma the whole time? That is also strange to me.
Riku (already claimed)
JT
GJ
Myself
Tiger
If the majority wants to switch GJ and JT then we can do that too.
And I am not saying I am concerned about you, I still have other people way higher on my suspect list, but I was uncomfortable with you being the last person to share, that's it. No need to get too defensive about it.
But I get that you are paranoid town, it's fine
I also targeted tiger, town.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
As a framer it makes more sense to vote the godfather when there is a good chance the godfather is getting hammered without him anyway and then he would probably go down next, rather than starting a wagon on the godfather while no one else is pressuring the godfather.
But I think you understood me wrong.. of course hammering the godfather is townie I just have reasons to read the other players as more town. I am not reading JT as mafia at all.
I am glad this is passing the boring wait for others to come here and talk about the claim.