I addressed the posts leading up to this. There was really very little there for a case. So you’re wrong about me not defending myself. GJ and I are the only town left in this game so it’s our game to lose. Your word screwing is endless isn’t it?
I can’t believe I have to even respond to this but I will anyway. Switching to laptop
So JT is the mafia?
Damn, now I am glad I am not the kingmaker because I'm pretty sure I would have voted for GJ. wow I got played bad lol.
I can't think of any scenario that you are mafia GJ, but I will wait for JT to bring his scummy ass here and clear you before I vote for him just in case I am missing something crazy here.
So I kinda feel like we are screwed.. I basically said the mafia is clear myself yesterday based on his interactions with Silver (clearly I was wrong and Ruma was right lol)..
GJ you have any questions for me? Want some online interaction? Anything that might help me prove I'm a cop?
So JT is the mafia?
Damn, now I am glad I am not the kingmaker because I'm pretty sure I would have voted for GJ. wow I got played bad lol.
I can't think of any scenario that you are mafia GJ, but I will wait for JT to bring his scummy ass here and clear you before I vote for him just in case I am missing something crazy here.
So I kinda feel like we are screwed.. I basically said the mafia is clear myself yesterday based on his interactions with Silver (clearly I was wrong and Ruma was right lol)..
GJ you have any questions for me? Want some online interaction? Anything that might help me prove I'm a cop?
You seem pretty sure JT is going to come back green on me.
I didn't think there is any benefit for mafia in any scenario where everyone claims red check. Based on your reaction I am assuming there is a benefit that I missed? At the middle of work so can't really proccess it all right now.
I didn't think there is any benefit for mafia in any scenario where everyone claims red check. Based on your reaction I am assuming there is a benefit that I missed? At the middle of work so can't really proccess it all right now.
When Tiger asked if he saw a problem, that was what I thought he meant without saying anything: If Terry is the last wolf, what is stopping Terry from coming in and saying he got a red check on me? Hell, if he is town, and you are a wolf, what would have stopped you from saying you had a red check on Terry (knowing you framed me). You know how Terry would enter, because as a framer, you would know who is going to be the false red. That was the issue I found out with the claims. What is stopping the last wolf from lying about his check? If I were a wolf, I just frame Terry, and claim red on you. Terry would be red on me, and you'd be red on Terry. Try and figure out whose lying.
So you are saying if there are 3 scum checks, even though we have two town players who are saying the truth about their investigation, we still won't have any contradiction between two of the three players that comfirms one town? F***. I hope you are wrong and missing something or our chances are lower than I thought.
Which, now that I think about it, is pretty interesting because that implies that he KNEW what my result would have been.
I also meant that the benefit of claiming cop on GJ is huge as mafia because now you have an action that doesn't make sense to do as mafia on your resume which seperates you from myself. The fact you immediately pointed out as your first point as your main defence shows that shows you are also aware how much benefit it gains you, so you didn't ask the question genuinely, you already knew the answer and just wanted to point out how much of a cop it makes you in the first chance you got.
Regarding the miller claim I made a mistake and forgot to take the miller into account when I was analyzing.
Ok, you are talking about "The Benefit of Claiming Cop", which I respond to with...
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The benefit claiming green is giving GJ real information to work with. The fact that I addressed it, was just that it was a topic of discussion when I came into the Day. It's all WIFOM at this point which is why I said that it doesn't mean anything coming from me.
It's very clear that I'm responding to your post talking about what I've claimed on GJ. I was simply continuing the conversation and making a edgy response about actually providing truthful/helpful information to GJ instead of filling his head with lies, which is what you are doing. I seriously can't believe this is the best you've got.
We already went over the reason why you decided to do that. See #489. Don't act like you just saw my post about you claiming Cop on GJ and also the post from GJ that followed it. You obviously read it before and it was part of the reason you decided to claim cop on GJ and not scum.
Regarding the scumslip, stop walking around the subject. I am saying again - humor me. Walk me through on what you were trying to say with that comment. Be specific.
We already went over the reason why you decided to do that. See #489. Don't act like you just saw my post about you claiming Cop on GJ and also the post from GJ that followed it. You obviously read it before and it was part of the reason you decided to claim cop on GJ and not scum.
Regarding the scumslip, stop walking around the subject. I am saying again - humor me. Walk me through on what you were trying to say with that comment. Be specific.
I JUST DID! You're grasping so hard. Stop wasting my time and especially GJ's.
Well you are saying you were replying to my reason what mafia would benefit by claiming GJ as cop and said mafia would claim GJ is cop to give GJ real information to work with? Why would mafia cares if GJ get real information? What do you mean by making edgy response? You are saying it was a joke and you weren't serious? Obviously I don't understand so explain please.
Also, digging back through this game, I noticed I spent the first two pages confused about what the framer did and now I being accused of being the framer.
I also noticed, that when even asked explicitly by GJ to vote Abu/Silver, Meteor refuses and votes Ruma instead. I even call out the Silver/Abu-Meteor connection in detail in post #163.
Then me and silver fight for most of Page 4.
Metoer's post #205, starts off very similar to the post that got me going on Abu, "I see some suspicion about me" and continues on about not catching up or really reading.
I also was explicitly handed the opportunity to hammer Meteor and did not, instead I eventually hammer Scum-Silver. How does that make sense as scum!?
Post #219 really rubs me the wrong way with the "Riku now that you realize I am town, please answer", like what was the point of that. That's a guilty subconscious phrasing.
I mean, if it's Vaimes or GJ I probably lose to them.
If it isn't Meteor it has to be two in [you / Ruma / Tiger].
I don't think he's a wolf, but at this point I don't think I'm going to convince anyone else of it and I don't think we can let him into LyLo, he's a mislynch waiting to happen.
I'd like to get a few thoughts about my Meteor read and how valid/invalid it is before I commit, but I'm not opposed to lynching him, I guess.
Speaking of, what do you think about Meteor's lack of a guilty mindset?
This post seems super soft on Meteor, even a bit protective.
Meteor, with all due respect, 4 players voted for Godfather. Every one of the four votes, including yours, may be a scum buddy distancing. In fact, in my opinion, the least likely to distance is JT, who hammered when the vote with Riku was tied and could have gone either way. But again, not impossible.
And I am not saying I am concerned about you, I still have other people way higher on my suspect list, but I was uncomfortable with you being the last person to share, that's it. No need to get too defensive about it.
scum!JT hammering when the vote can swing makes even less sense, yet you hold him high on your scum list, it seems.
Just putting this up here to back up my points
Posts #350 and #352 felt a bit mud slingy to me and GJ points them out as opportunistic which is a bit of a better word for it. I need to go back and look at claim order for Day 2. I feel like Meteor also claimed like the second or third town check on Tiger, which seems pretty suspicious too, considering the Miller died Night 1.
I figured the framer thing was fake. I knew it didn't make sense that a player won't know the roles in such a small game.
You should have hammered me when you could, but the other option was Ruma, why would you care that much really as long as you get the mislynch?
We already went over the reason why you decided to do that. See #489. Don't act like you just saw my post about you claiming Cop on GJ and also the post from GJ that followed it. You obviously read it before and it was part of the reason you decided to claim cop on GJ and not scum.
Regarding the scumslip, stop walking around the subject. I am saying again - humor me. Walk me through on what you were trying to say with that comment. Be specific.
I JUST DID! You're grasping so hard. Stop wasting my time and especially GJ's.
Are you saying I was actually red, and you took a chance to see what would happen, or were you town reading me that hard?
Yeah GJ. I town read you soooo hard that I decide to claim you were green, when I really got red. You guys got me. I really hope you’re being sarcastic
Yeah GJ. I town read you soooo hard that I decide to claim you were green, when I really got red. You guys got me. I really hope you’re being sarcastic
I didn't think so either, but meteor was so hard on it and I couldn't get a clear answer when I tried to reread it, that I was trying to get you to clarify.
Yeah GJ. I town read you soooo hard that I decide to claim you were green, when I really got red. You guys got me. I really hope you’re being sarcastic
I didn't think so either, but meteor was so hard on it and I couldn't get a clear answer when I tried to reread it, that I was trying to get you to clarify.
Ill try to get some questions for you two later.
I didn't read it like you asked GJ.
I read it as JT scumslipping. Then JT explained what he meant and his explanation made no sense to me at all.
In fact I still don't understand what was the point of the comment, thats why I am suspicious of him trying to cover the scumslip I saw originally.
Yeah GJ. I town read you soooo hard that I decide to claim you were green, when I really got red. You guys got me. I really hope you’re being sarcastic
I didn't think so either, but meteor was so hard on it and I couldn't get a clear answer when I tried to reread it, that I was trying to get you to clarify.
Ill try to get some questions for you two later.
I didn't read it like you asked GJ.
I read it as JT scumslipping. Then JT explained what he meant and his explanation made no sense to me at all.
In fact I still don't understand what was the point of the comment, thats why I am suspicious of him trying to cover the scumslip I saw originally.
Well, I guess we are at a standstill because I'm struggling to see how you think it's a scum slim. It looks like a desperate case to me.
**** it. Im not slow rolling here. It's a micro. Silvers interaction with terry looks very w/w where his interaction with meteor looks like he is trying to shift it to him. Silvers case on meteor, versus the writing back and forth also look meh.
I reread. When i got to silvers case on meteor, i was back to learning terry. I didn't like how brown nosing you were in f3, but that spew was too thick to ignore.
Oh god, thank goodness that's over. I hate being scum. I hated myself for bussing Silver, I hated lynching Ruma, I felt so insincere trying to push Meteor and when I reread, I would have lynched myself.
Thanks everyone! Good Job Meteor and GJ, you got me.
Everyone investigating tiger n1 really gave Joe a chance with godfather and miller both dead. That night could have ended it.
Couldn't really pick a town MVP. Everyone did everything right. Even the mislynch was because of the frame mostly.
Gonna go with "everyone played great except that dude that replaced out"
Good job town for getting there together!
@Meteor: I really was re-casing and re-reading per everything that changed a players attitude. If my lynch was avoided, probably would have gone back to look at Joe. Johnny had one glaringly town thing that I had to townread (the way he clarified what he meant - it was so towny to me that I had to re-evaluate. Which meant it was between you and Joe after that.
I was fairly sure my lynch was unavoidable, thus why I kept saying 'lynch me, but analyse first'.
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Nice, gj GJ! And others as well, of course. Bravo JT, you had me in your pocket. You would probably win if you would have killed GJ and not me.
I apologize for not being as active as I should have been. Work kept piling up. Probably should have subbed out, but I was enjoying myself too much Will play here again.
Wish I could have played, but it was fun to watch. I was happy to see both meteor and GJ as cops again, made me laugh. Definitely hope we all play when this runs again.
When Terry was being considered for replacement, I offered to Tom to replace in. Then Terry posted and I told Tom that I didn't want to replace in because I figured Terry was the framer. I then proceeded to predict the scumteam as Terry and GentlemanJohnny, so...half right, at least! I also felt like Silver's interactions with Terry made Terry more likely than Meteor, but I found myself being somewhat swayed by Terry's arguments at the end. I don't know if I would have been as successful as GJ. Nice job, GJ!
I can’t believe I have to even respond to this but I will anyway. Switching to laptop
Then to wrap this up:
If I were scum, why would I halve my Lynch pool, and when my "target" says he's screwed (see above) if I claim red, come in and claim GREEN on him.
Ok, that aside. Back to the skewing of words that Meteor has resorted to.
Ok, you are talking about "The Benefit of Claiming Cop", which I respond to with...
It's very clear that I'm responding to your post talking about what I've claimed on GJ. I was simply continuing the conversation and making a edgy response about actually providing truthful/helpful information to GJ instead of filling his head with lies, which is what you are doing. I seriously can't believe this is the best you've got.
Regarding the scumslip, stop walking around the subject. I am saying again - humor me. Walk me through on what you were trying to say with that comment. Be specific.
I figured the framer thing was fake. I knew it didn't make sense that a player won't know the roles in such a small game.
You should have hammered me when you could, but the other option was Ruma, why would you care that much really as long as you get the mislynch?
Joe (1) - Meteor
Meteor (1) - joe
Not voting: gj
Are you saying I was actually red, and you took a chance to see what would happen, or were you town reading me that hard?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I didn't think so either, but meteor was so hard on it and I couldn't get a clear answer when I tried to reread it, that I was trying to get you to clarify.
Ill try to get some questions for you two later.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I didn't read it like you asked GJ.
I read it as JT scumslipping. Then JT explained what he meant and his explanation made no sense to me at all.
In fact I still don't understand what was the point of the comment, thats why I am suspicious of him trying to cover the scumslip I saw originally.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Vote Terry
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Joeterry has been lynched
He was:
Gj and meteor have survived and
@JT Well played. I was sure you gonna get that win. You set me up beautifully, and fooled me completely the whole game.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Well played everyone!
Thanks for hosting Tom!
Gonna get D1 mislynched next game for my play here probably.
Thanks everyone! Good Job Meteor and GJ, you got me.
rip the obvious Miller I was gonna kill Tiger or JT
Everyone investigating tiger n1 really gave Joe a chance with godfather and miller both dead. That night could have ended it.
Couldn't really pick a town MVP. Everyone did everything right. Even the mislynch was because of the frame mostly.
Gonna go with "everyone played great except that dude that replaced out"
Good job town for getting there together!
I was fairly sure my lynch was unavoidable, thus why I kept saying 'lynch me, but analyse first'.
I apologize for not being as active as I should have been. Work kept piling up. Probably should have subbed out, but I was enjoying myself too much Will play here again.