Quick phone post. I guess I wanted to be right too much. Disappointing..
Anyway, I got scum on JT. Means either GJ or myself are the kingmakers.
The thought of me being the kingmaker is scary but exciting.. hurry up with the results JT/GJ.. Don't leave me anxious too much.
So JT is the mafia?
Damn, now I am glad I am not the kingmaker because I'm pretty sure I would have voted for GJ. wow I got played bad lol.
I can't think of any scenario that you are mafia GJ, but I will wait for JT to bring his scummy ass here and clear you before I vote for him just in case I am missing something crazy here.
So I kinda feel like we are screwed.. I basically said the mafia is clear myself yesterday based on his interactions with Silver (clearly I was wrong and Ruma was right lol)..
GJ you have any questions for me? Want some online interaction? Anything that might help me prove I'm a cop?
So JT is the mafia?
Damn, now I am glad I am not the kingmaker because I'm pretty sure I would have voted for GJ. wow I got played bad lol.
I can't think of any scenario that you are mafia GJ, but I will wait for JT to bring his scummy ass here and clear you before I vote for him just in case I am missing something crazy here.
So I kinda feel like we are screwed.. I basically said the mafia is clear myself yesterday based on his interactions with Silver (clearly I was wrong and Ruma was right lol)..
GJ you have any questions for me? Want some online interaction? Anything that might help me prove I'm a cop?
You seem pretty sure JT is going to come back green on me.
I didn't think there is any benefit for mafia in any scenario where everyone claims red check. Based on your reaction I am assuming there is a benefit that I missed? At the middle of work so can't really proccess it all right now.
I didn't think there is any benefit for mafia in any scenario where everyone claims red check. Based on your reaction I am assuming there is a benefit that I missed? At the middle of work so can't really proccess it all right now.
When Tiger asked if he saw a problem, that was what I thought he meant without saying anything: If Terry is the last wolf, what is stopping Terry from coming in and saying he got a red check on me? Hell, if he is town, and you are a wolf, what would have stopped you from saying you had a red check on Terry (knowing you framed me). You know how Terry would enter, because as a framer, you would know who is going to be the false red. That was the issue I found out with the claims. What is stopping the last wolf from lying about his check? If I were a wolf, I just frame Terry, and claim red on you. Terry would be red on me, and you'd be red on Terry. Try and figure out whose lying.
So you are saying if there are 3 scum checks, even though we have two town players who are saying the truth about their investigation, we still won't have any contradiction between two of the three players that comfirms one town? F***. I hope you are wrong and missing something or our chances are lower than I thought.
Well, you’ll have to flip a coin anyways. I have a green on GJ. So I know Meteor is the framer. I can build a big case on why he’s scum and I’m not tonight. I feel like this has already been touched on, but if I were scum I would have just said red on GJ on had a fair shot, but I’m town and hopefully real information helps GJ make a better choice.
The good news we got the comfirmed town! Congrats GJ!
The bad news I am the cop between JT and myself so we are screwed even more. I would vote myself right now if I didn't know my role PM. Well played JT, but I am not gonna let you get this win easy. More than I have up until now, at least.
The good news we got the comfirmed town! Congrats GJ!
The bad news I am the cop between JT and myself so we are screwed even more. I would vote myself right now if I didn't know my role PM. Well played JT, but I am not gonna let you get this win easy. More than I have up until now, at least.
Right... I feel bad I pushed Ruma so hard yesterday.
You mean God damn it Meteor.
I am looking at the pages back and I can't believe I went from nailing the godfather to failing so miserably. So annoyed right now at myself. I seriously apologize for the position I put you in GJ. And I'm pretty sure I would have voted you today between you and JT so sorry for getting that wrong also.. I am learning this game that if someone is voting for me my reads get messed up. Now next up is JT who comes and calls this post appealing to emotions and how scummy I am.
Oh meteor, how does GJs butt taste? Could you stop because you kissing it is grossing me out.
Oh shut up scum lol.
I am happy that at least GJ is comftown, I am not trying to kiss ass. And you feel bad pushing Ruma because you as scum could have mislynched me just as well. All votes yesterday were on cops.
I feel bad for voting Ruma because he was town and seriously, stop making out with GJs *** and do work. I’m roasting you when I get back from work tonight
Well if we count your future case then 2 out of 3 are the mafia team, and one is from Ruma who cased everyone. There is also GJ vote on me yesterday but he didn't make a case. I assuming that GJ vote is why you felt confident enough to claim cop on GJ, giving yourself towncred while making me look bad in the process.
#1: Dumb post
#2: Name two other players plan
#3: Finding meta links
#4: Meta Links
#5: Calls meteor scum
#6: Defends his plan from Meteor as some sort of grouping logic, sounds shaky
#7: Retroactive VLA
#8: This is really the only post that has any analyzability besides maybe his "plan"
It basically starts off shading every player in the game. The next sentence says "I'm not going to interact with any of you because I think you could be scum."
The next section of this post is addressing Tiger's #118, because Ruma thinks he COULD be scum. Just the wording there feels fabricated. Not I think he's acting scummy, just "well this is someone I could push as scum". His first excerpt basically foo foos Tiger's behavior; read on GJ for trying to take the Team Leader spot. He then implies, without actually saying it that Tiger knows Abu will flip scum. Then he talks about Vaimes' response to pressure and basically fences it. Now that I look at this post in detail, it's all fencey and deflective questioning (well particularly pertaining to his analysis of Tiger's #118). He does spend a little bit of time addressing GJ #119, which is more fence-sitting. He also addresses how Vaimes seems like Coasting Scum in post #127, which basically called Abu and Ruma the scum team.
I don't know... if I didn't have this nagging feeling that Ruma is the Miller, I'd be all about lynching him.
Just as a reminder, I am VLA on weekends. This game needs to progress. I’m willing to lynch silver, ruma and am now considering meteor. His last post just started off on the wrong foot, by saying right away, after admitting to not catching up (being lost) like one page in 10 minutes (which is what I just did while taking a crap) (yeah that’s right this is a crap-post), that he thinks everyone is suspicious of him. It sounds like lazy posting and scum paranoia. Anyways let’s lynch some and move on.
Vote: Ruma, silver or meteor
JT is doing here an ISO of Ruma setting him up as a mafia read, but restricts it with a Miller concern. Then in his next post JT suddently is fine with voting Ruma without any mention of the "nagging feeling" of him being the Miller and carry on to vote Ruma until flipping to hammer Silver without any word about the miller situation. A town player would never discard the thought of lynching the Miller - either they won't vote them or they will vote them and try to force them a claim if they really are the Miller but JT just ignores it completely. For example, Tiger #118 and GJ #132 are good examples to a townie reaction to a concern that Ruma is the miller.
P.S. If you have a feeling you are planning on lynching me tomorrow, you should lynch me now. LyLo is not a good place for me to be in for anyone. I am fairly sure Meteor is scum though.
That solves it, vote: Ruma. I’m not voting with silver and meteor. Two of my three lynch candidates are both voting for meteor
Here JT basically decides his vote based on Ruma vote for me and where people stands on the wagon. This is a big scumtell IMO because a mafia is much more likely to vote as a reaction to other player voting due to distancing and effort to appear townie at voting analysis, while I feel a town might look at the voters in which wagon but won't be trigged to vote one way just because another player voted the other way. I never had any game where I saw another player vote for one player and it triggered me to vote the other.
That's clearly not going to work, because no one is really invested in winning so far.
And I just now had the idea of "everyone check the player below them in the livelist" and wanted to see if that was stupid or not.
Do you think I should unvote JT?
Really, Vaimes is like number #1 town right (besides me). This type of thinking just demonstrates he's solving more than any other player in this game. Yeah, I get it, it's early, but whatever.
More votes on Abu. As if to proof my point, he has continued to coast. He isn't the only one, but he is where I am starting today. Feel free to start hunting, or change my mind, but whining about me voting you, and calling it out like its the whole game reads defensive. Asknig some half hearted questions to Terry does not replace hunting.
I wouldn't hate Vaimes right now, since he is pinging my radar a bit. But like I said, the remaining 3 go down. With any luck, one of them is the miller.
Ok, team leader. I don't get what's bothering you about Vaimes. Abu. I totally get. Vaimes posts just seem genuine and like he's trying to figure out a way to break the game. Though I'm not sure why you would like my entrance and then throw me in your Lynch pool.
Terry, my biggest issue with you is that Vaimes is your biggest town read. Your other posts have some pros and cons. I can see why people might town read vaimes, but I can't see why he would be your "top town" read.
He just feels town to me and we have mind melded on several issues. Like several times I was just about to post something and Vaimes comes in and posts it before me. That makes me pretty confident he's town.
Terry, my biggest issue with you is that Vaimes is your biggest town read. Your other posts have some pros and cons. I can see why people might town read vaimes, but I can't see why he would be your "top town" read.
He just feels town to me and we have mind melded on several issues. Like several times I was just about to post something and Vaimes comes in and posts it before me. That makes me pretty confident he's town.
Terry, my biggest issue with you is that Vaimes is your biggest town read. Your other posts have some pros and cons. I can see why people might town read vaimes, but I can't see why he would be your "top town" read.
He just feels town to me and we have mind melded on several issues. Like several times I was just about to post something and Vaimes comes in and posts it before me. That makes me pretty confident he's town.
Two examples of this?
#72, #107 and #113
JT townread of Vaimes is strange, even Vaimes himself noted it at #92. IMO Tiger and GJ were way more townie. But whats scummier is the consistency in which he townreads him. There is no doubt at all throughout the whole game. And the posts he gives in the reply to GJ feels forced, like he gave them only because he had to give something to remain consistent with his Vaimes townread.
The good news we got the comfirmed town! Congrats GJ!
The bad news I am the cop between JT and myself so we are screwed even more. I would vote myself right now if I didn't know my role PM. Well played JT, but I am not gonna let you get this win easy. More than I have up until now, at least.
First, point to address, which means nothing coming out of my mouth, but where is the benefit of claiming green on GJ if I were scum, I basically would have just cut my Lynch pool in half. You miss played this one. Frankly I don't know why you would frame me and claim on me, but I that makes more sense than me just straight up cutting my chances to win in half if I were scum.
JT is doing here an ISO of Ruma setting him up as a mafia read, but restricts it with a Miller concern. Then in his next post JT suddently is fine with voting Ruma without any mention of the "nagging feeling" of him being the Miller and carry on to vote Ruma until flipping to hammer Silver without any word about the miller situation. A town player would never discard the thought of lynching the Miller - either they won't vote them or they will vote them and try to force them a claim if they really are the Miller but JT just ignores it completely. For example, Tiger #118 and GJ #132 are good examples to a townie reaction to a concern that Ruma is the miller.
. YEs, I had a nagging feeling that Ruma was the Miller. I also was very clear that the Miller was an ace in the hole and could nail scum. Did I vote Ruma later? Yes. Was I sure he was the Miller? No. Did I Lynch Ruma that day? No. Did I Lynch the Mafia Godfather? Yes. Yes I did. Was it clear that Silver was not the Miller? Yes.
@Silver I feel like you can take almost any post in this thread and cast the same doubt like you did on mine, it's absurd. How am I suppose to react to a case where you take a bunch of stuff I said and go "no you said X but I think you meant Y".
That... that isn't what I did at all. Are you sure you've read my posts? I said what it seemed like you were doing to me. I never even said you're definitely lying, because lol, how would I know that? Like, yeah, sure, you could do that with any post in the thread probably. The difference is that I gave reasons why I think it's more likely you did that as a wolf, I didn't just say "this is a wolfy post because he could be lying," at least not most of the time.
WTF is kind of case like this? Never seen it before in any game I played. If I said I made a mistake then I did, and if you claim I didn't and its some sort of cover how am I to react. Same with the miller cover and rolename trap and on and on...
You, uh, aren't supposed to. It's not supposed to be a quote war or debate thing where you refute my points and prove your innocence, it's all just, like, my opinion, man. That stuff didn't make sense, to me, for you to do/say as town, or it came from a place that seemed like it was trying to smear other people, get them lynched, etc. etc. You can't refute that, it's just my opinion, and you aren't really... supposed to?
I have, like, dozens of similar cases and isos I've done across at least a dozen games and three mafia sites I could link you if you think this isn't actually how I operate.
I'm not always right, and I might even be wrong right now, based on your last response, but like. If that isn't anything like a case you've ever seen before I'm not sure what you think a case even is. If it isn't where you go through someone's posts and say why you think they're scummy, what even is a case?
Look, I'm going to level with you in case you are town.
Regardless of your alignment, this isn't anything personal.
Maybe you never, ever lie even as a wolf and I should just take your word for everything.
But I can't know that, and even if I did know that, I wouldn't actually trust it because it places an unfair burden on other people who do lie as wolves to not do that, and because someday you will lie as a wolf if you care about winning at all.
Like, this is a game of lying, manipulation and asymmetrical information we're playing for fun on the internet. You can't really expect me to just take your word for stuff if I think you're a wolf.
That said, I've already admitted I might be wrong and accepted your explanations for some of the stuff I initially pointed out, it's just that saying "I made a mistake," etc. could easily be a lie you're telling me as a wolf and I don't have any real way of knowing which one it is so it's not really an effective defense.
But that isn't even the point, because you aren't supposed to "defend" yourself against it anyway. It isn't "for" you, it's so everyone else can see my read on you and how I arrived at it, to generate discussion with other players and see if they agree with me, etc. Anything you could possibly say about the case yourself is wine unless it's a matter of something I've gotten factually incorrect.
Also, what do you mean about Vaimes mindset? I asked him to answer my questions that he missed so how did I not pick back up on that?
I was talking specifically about this contradiction you seemed to catch him in:
Saying you are not sure which one is better is a weird statement based on your mindset in your post #7, unless I am misunderstanding your post.
Personally I think keeping it a secret and hoping for valuable contradictory multiple checks are better.
It kind of just... goes nowhere after this, it reads like a throwaway interaction you didn't really care about. To me, anyway, but you've been drilling Vaimes on other stuff for a while so it's not really as important as it was when I initially posted the case and it's too late to actually be relevant at this point.
I think Silver made a mistake here. The way he posted the spoiler.. he knows I'm a cop and he feels the need to make sure he didn't cross a line and clarify its not personal. A mafia would never have this idea of writing this spoiler making sure he knows its the game and not personal if its a fake fight with his mafia buddy, because no one will pay attention to it beaide me - it was clearly a genuine reactiom that he was worried I am taking this too personal and being offended and felt bad about it. Faking anger is fine but you don't start an kinda OOG clarification if you are just throwing a scum theatre to distance yourself for others to see.
The good news we got the comfirmed town! Congrats GJ!
The bad news I am the cop between JT and myself so we are screwed even more. I would vote myself right now if I didn't know my role PM. Well played JT, but I am not gonna let you get this win easy. More than I have up until now, at least.
First, point to address, which means nothing coming out of my mouth, but where is the benefit of claiming green on GJ if I were scum, I basically would have just cut my Lynch pool in half. You miss played this one. Frankly I don't know why you would frame me and claim on me, but I that makes more sense than me just straight up cutting my chances to win in half if I were scum.
I think the fact that's your main case for being town, the thing you feel is MOST important to note on why GJ should lynch me over you answers yout question.
JT is doing here an ISO of Ruma setting him up as a mafia read, but restricts it with a Miller concern. Then in his next post JT suddently is fine with voting Ruma without any mention of the "nagging feeling" of him being the Miller and carry on to vote Ruma until flipping to hammer Silver without any word about the miller situation. A town player would never discard the thought of lynching the Miller - either they won't vote them or they will vote them and try to force them a claim if they really are the Miller but JT just ignores it completely. For example, Tiger #118 and GJ #132 are good examples to a townie reaction to a concern that Ruma is the miller.
. YEs, I had a nagging feeling that Ruma was the Miller. I also was very clear that the Miller was an ace in the hole and could nail scum. Did I vote Ruma later? Yes. Was I sure he was the Miller? No. Did I Lynch Ruma that day? No. Did I Lynch the Mafia Godfather? Yes. Yes I did. Was it clear that Silver was not the Miller? Yes.
I don't even understand how this is a case.
You wouldn't becuse you are scum. If you are town you would realize its not about actions but rather about motivation. Yes, you flipped from Ruma to Silver which is townie but WHY you did it was not related to the concern he is the miller which is scummy. If a feeling just disappears right after you have it, then its wasn't really a nagging feeling you genuinely had, is it?
P.S. If you have a feeling you are planning on lynching me tomorrow, you should lynch me now. LyLo is not a good place for me to be in for anyone. I am fairly sure Meteor is scum though.
That solves it, vote: Ruma. I’m not voting with silver and meteor. Two of my three lynch candidates are both voting for meteor
Here JT basically decides his vote based on Ruma vote for me and where people stands on the wagon. This is a big scumtell IMO because a mafia is much more likely to vote as a reaction to other player voting due to distancing and effort to appear townie at voting analysis, while I feel a town might look at the voters in which wagon but won't be trigged to vote one way just because another player voted the other way. I never had any game where I saw another player vote for one player and it triggered me to vote the other.
Scum vote WITH people because other people are voting on them. I voted on someone because the people I thought were scum were voting for someone else. There is nothing even slightly scummy about that.
JT townread of Vaimes is strange, even Vaimes himself noted it at #92. IMO Tiger and GJ were way more townie. But whats scummier is the consistency in which he townreads him. There is no doubt at all throughout the whole game. And the posts he gives in the reply to GJ feels forced, like he gave them only because he had to give something to remain consistent with his Vaimes townread.
This is horrible. Because I had a solid read on someone it's scummy. I explained it in depth and even when asked for TWO examples of my agreement of what Vaimes was saying I quickly provided THREE. SO you're implying that what? That I was trying to buddy up to vaimes and then kill him? If I'm scum and I'm kissing someone's butt with a town-read, do I kill them? Or does the scum team kill the person they see people town reading adamantly?
I think Silver made a mistake here. The way he posted the spoiler.. he knows I'm a cop and he feels the need to make sure he didn't cross a line and clarify its not personal. A mafia would never have this idea of writing this spoiler making sure he knows its the game and not personal if its a fake fight with his mafia buddy, because no one will pay attention to it beaide me - it was clearly a genuine reactiom that he was worried I am taking this too personal and being offended and felt bad about it. Faking anger is fine but you don't start an kinda OOG clarification if you are just throwing a scum theatre to distance yourself for others to see.
The good news we got the comfirmed town! Congrats GJ!
The bad news I am the cop between JT and myself so we are screwed even more. I would vote myself right now if I didn't know my role PM. Well played JT, but I am not gonna let you get this win easy. More than I have up until now, at least.
First, point to address, which means nothing coming out of my mouth, but where is the benefit of claiming green on GJ if I were scum, I basically would have just cut my Lynch pool in half. You miss played this one. Frankly I don't know why you would frame me and claim on me, but I that makes more sense than me just straight up cutting my chances to win in half if I were scum.
I think the fact that's your main case for being town, the thing you feel is MOST important to note on why GJ should lynch me over you answers yout question.
JT is doing here an ISO of Ruma setting him up as a mafia read, but restricts it with a Miller concern. Then in his next post JT suddently is fine with voting Ruma without any mention of the "nagging feeling" of him being the Miller and carry on to vote Ruma until flipping to hammer Silver without any word about the miller situation. A town player would never discard the thought of lynching the Miller - either they won't vote them or they will vote them and try to force them a claim if they really are the Miller but JT just ignores it completely. For example, Tiger #118 and GJ #132 are good examples to a townie reaction to a concern that Ruma is the miller.
. YEs, I had a nagging feeling that Ruma was the Miller. I also was very clear that the Miller was an ace in the hole and could nail scum. Did I vote Ruma later? Yes. Was I sure he was the Miller? No. Did I Lynch Ruma that day? No. Did I Lynch the Mafia Godfather? Yes. Yes I did. Was it clear that Silver was not the Miller? Yes.
I don't even understand how this is a case.
You wouldn't becuse you are scum. If you are town you would realize its not about actions but rather about motivation. Yes, you flipped from Ruma to Silver which is townie but WHY you did it was not related to the concern he is the miller which is scummy. If a feeling just disappears right after you have it, then its wasn't really a nagging feeling you genuinely had, is it?
@Tiger your suggestion sounds like something that would help mafia more than town. Please explain your rational.
Tiger was precisely right. Are best chance at hard-catching scum was a miller contradiction. The number 1 enemy for scum would have been the Miller. Scum have to fake claim results, so if they fake a green on a Miller it's game over. So right off the bat you are arguing for a Miller claim which is not beneficial for catching scum.
None of JT responses address the main point I was making..
JT, I am saying that the posts you chosed to "mindmeld" with Vaimes are forced and you wouldn't choose them as examples if you were a town with a true read of Vaimes.
I also meant that the benefit of claiming cop on GJ is huge as mafia because now you have an action that doesn't make sense to do as mafia on your resume which seperates you from myself. The fact you immediately pointed out as your first point as your main defence shows that shows you are also aware how much benefit it gains you, so you didn't ask the question genuinely, you already knew the answer and just wanted to point out how much of a cop it makes you in the first chance you got.
Regarding the miller claim I made a mistake and forgot to take the miller into account when I was analyzing.
Oh and I forgot to say that I assume the reason you NK Vaimes because you suspected him as a miller and wanted the miller gone.
The silver quote doesn't have to do with you, but with me..
I am also aware that you were on Ruma, but as I was saying the motivation that triggered you to vote Ruma and Silver is not town, for the reasons I explained in my posts.
Also, digging back through this game, I noticed I spent the first two pages confused about what the framer did and now I being accused of being the framer.
I also noticed, that when even asked explicitly by GJ to vote Abu/Silver, Meteor refuses and votes Ruma instead. I even call out the Silver/Abu-Meteor connection in detail in post #163.
Then me and silver fight for most of Page 4.
Metoer's post #205, starts off very similar to the post that got me going on Abu, "I see some suspicion about me" and continues on about not catching up or really reading.
I also was explicitly handed the opportunity to hammer Meteor and did not, instead I eventually hammer Scum-Silver. How does that make sense as scum!?
Post #219 really rubs me the wrong way with the "Riku now that you realize I am town, please answer", like what was the point of that. That's a guilty subconscious phrasing.
I mean, if it's Vaimes or GJ I probably lose to them.
If it isn't Meteor it has to be two in [you / Ruma / Tiger].
I don't think he's a wolf, but at this point I don't think I'm going to convince anyone else of it and I don't think we can let him into LyLo, he's a mislynch waiting to happen.
I'd like to get a few thoughts about my Meteor read and how valid/invalid it is before I commit, but I'm not opposed to lynching him, I guess.
Speaking of, what do you think about Meteor's lack of a guilty mindset?
This post seems super soft on Meteor, even a bit protective.
Meteor, with all due respect, 4 players voted for Godfather. Every one of the four votes, including yours, may be a scum buddy distancing. In fact, in my opinion, the least likely to distance is JT, who hammered when the vote with Riku was tied and could have gone either way. But again, not impossible.
And I am not saying I am concerned about you, I still have other people way higher on my suspect list, but I was uncomfortable with you being the last person to share, that's it. No need to get too defensive about it.
scum!JT hammering when the vote can swing makes even less sense, yet you hold him high on your scum list, it seems.
Just putting this up here to back up my points
Posts #350 and #352 felt a bit mud slingy to me and GJ points them out as opportunistic which is a bit of a better word for it. I need to go back and look at claim order for Day 2. I feel like Meteor also claimed like the second or third town check on Tiger, which seems pretty suspicious too, considering the Miller died Night 1.
None of JT responses address the main point I was making..
JT, I am saying that the posts you chosed to "mindmeld" with Vaimes are forced and you wouldn't choose them as examples if you were a town with a true read of Vaimes.
I also meant that the benefit of claiming cop on GJ is huge as mafia because now you have an action that doesn't make sense to do as mafia on your resume which seperates you from myself. The fact you immediately pointed out as your first point as your main defence shows that shows you are also aware how much benefit it gains you, so you didn't ask the question genuinely, you already knew the answer and just wanted to point out how much of a cop it makes you in the first chance you got.
Regarding the miller claim I made a mistake and forgot to take the miller into account when I was analyzing.
Go back and reread my interactions with Vaimes, I explained several times pretty clearly why I town read him and I have no idea how this has to do with a case for me being scum.
The benefit claiming green is giving GJ real information to work with. The fact that I addressed it, was just that it was a topic of discussion when I came into the Day. It's all WIFOM at this point which is why I said that it doesn't mean anything coming from me.
None of JT responses address the main point I was making..
JT, I am saying that the posts you chosed to "mindmeld" with Vaimes are forced and you wouldn't choose them as examples if you were a town with a true read of Vaimes.
I also meant that the benefit of claiming cop on GJ is huge as mafia because now you have an action that doesn't make sense to do as mafia on your resume which seperates you from myself. The fact you immediately pointed out as your first point as your main defence shows that shows you are also aware how much benefit it gains you, so you didn't ask the question genuinely, you already knew the answer and just wanted to point out how much of a cop it makes you in the first chance you got.
Regarding the miller claim I made a mistake and forgot to take the miller into account when I was analyzing.
Go back and reread my interactions with Vaimes, I explained several times pretty clearly why I town read him and I have no idea how this has to do with a case for me being scum.
The benefit claiming green is giving GJ real information to work with. The fact that I addressed it, was just that it was a topic of discussion when I came into the Day. It's all WIFOM at this point which is why I said that it doesn't mean anything coming from me.
Haha what a huge scumslip.
You just admitted you only said GJ is green to look like you are helping him, you don't realize you suppose to act like you don't know his alignment. If you were town the benefit of claiming green on GJ is first of all you knowing who the framer is, rather than helping another player.
@GJ this time I found a 100% scumslip!!!
Had to point it out first before replying to the rest.
YES! This is why online interactions are so important. Best chance to find the slipping mafia. There is literally no way town!JT even bothers to make that comment why sharing his true night result is beneficial. He would have said "No, I got town result on GJ because I am a cop so I obviously shared it because the game is solved for me, I know Meteor is scum and of course to clear GJ in the process"
YES! This is why online interactions are so important. Best chance to find the slipping mafia. There is literally no way town!JT even bothers to make that comment why sharing his true night result is beneficial. He would have said "No, I got town result on GJ because I am a cop so I obviously shared it because the game is solved for me, I know Meteor is scum and of course to clear GJ in the process"
Oh please, the topic being discussed was the pro and cons of how scum could have played this game going into today. I will laugh so hard if that's how GJ and I lose this game. Seriously, that's all you have for a case on me is a flimsy "scum slip case". It must be hard fabricating a real case then.
YES! This is why online interactions are so important. Best chance to find the slipping mafia. There is literally no way town!JT even bothers to make that comment why sharing his true night result is beneficial. He would have said "No, I got town result on GJ because I am a cop so I obviously shared it because the game is solved for me, I know Meteor is scum and of course to clear GJ in the process"
Here's a fun game. Let's compare what you say town!JT would say with what I actually said:
Well, you’ll have to flip a coin anyways. I have a green on GJ. So I know Meteor is the framer. I can build a big case on why he’s scum and I’m not tonight. I feel like this has already been touched on, but if I were scum I would have just said red on GJ on had a fair shot, but I’m town and hopefully real information helps GJ make a better choice.
YES! This is why online interactions are so important. Best chance to find the slipping mafia. There is literally no way town!JT even bothers to make that comment why sharing his true night result is beneficial. He would have said "No, I got town result on GJ because I am a cop so I obviously shared it because the game is solved for me, I know Meteor is scum and of course to clear GJ in the process"
Oh please, the topic being discussed was the pro and cons of how scum could have played this game going into today. I will laugh so hard if that's how GJ and I lose this game. Seriously, that's all you have for a case on me is a flimsy "scum slip case". It must be hard fabricating a real case then.
What about all my posts that came before this? They were not a case?
Interesting that you don't defend yourself but rather have a lame fake attempt to act as if you and GJ are on the same team. What about the rest of the town? You don't care if Ruma, Vaimes or Tiger loses? Obviously not since you are mafia.
Why would you talk about the pros of MAFIA claiming green on GJ if you are the town who claimed that result? Lets not insult our intelligence here.
YES! This is why online interactions are so important. Best chance to find the slipping mafia. There is literally no way town!JT even bothers to make that comment why sharing his true night result is beneficial. He would have said "No, I got town result on GJ because I am a cop so I obviously shared it because the game is solved for me, I know Meteor is scum and of course to clear GJ in the process"
Here's a fun game. Let's compare what you say town!JT would say with what I actually said:
Well, you’ll have to flip a coin anyways. I have a green on GJ. So I know Meteor is the framer. I can build a big case on why he’s scum and I’m not tonight. I feel like this has already been touched on, but if I were scum I would have just said red on GJ on had a fair shot, but I’m town and hopefully real information helps GJ make a better choice.
Are you seriously quoting me a post from before where you didn't slip? How does this help anyone?
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TheTiger47 has died
He was
It is now day 3. With 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch.
Anyway, I got scum on JT. Means either GJ or myself are the kingmakers.
The thought of me being the kingmaker is scary but exciting.. hurry up with the results JT/GJ.. Don't leave me anxious too much.
Terry?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Damn, now I am glad I am not the kingmaker because I'm pretty sure I would have voted for GJ. wow I got played bad lol.
I can't think of any scenario that you are mafia GJ, but I will wait for JT to bring his scummy ass here and clear you before I vote for him just in case I am missing something crazy here.
So I kinda feel like we are screwed.. I basically said the mafia is clear myself yesterday based on his interactions with Silver (clearly I was wrong and Ruma was right lol)..
GJ you have any questions for me? Want some online interaction? Anything that might help me prove I'm a cop?
You seem pretty sure JT is going to come back green on me.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
When Tiger asked if he saw a problem, that was what I thought he meant without saying anything: If Terry is the last wolf, what is stopping Terry from coming in and saying he got a red check on me? Hell, if he is town, and you are a wolf, what would have stopped you from saying you had a red check on Terry (knowing you framed me). You know how Terry would enter, because as a framer, you would know who is going to be the false red. That was the issue I found out with the claims. What is stopping the last wolf from lying about his check? If I were a wolf, I just frame Terry, and claim red on you. Terry would be red on me, and you'd be red on Terry. Try and figure out whose lying.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Neato
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The good news we got the comfirmed town! Congrats GJ!
The bad news I am the cop between JT and myself so we are screwed even more. I would vote myself right now if I didn't know my role PM. Well played JT, but I am not gonna let you get this win easy. More than I have up until now, at least.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I am looking at the pages back and I can't believe I went from nailing the godfather to failing so miserably. So annoyed right now at myself. I seriously apologize for the position I put you in GJ. And I'm pretty sure I would have voted you today between you and JT so sorry for getting that wrong also.. I am learning this game that if someone is voting for me my reads get messed up. Now next up is JT who comes and calls this post appealing to emotions and how scummy I am.
Oh shut up scum lol.
I am happy that at least GJ is comftown, I am not trying to kiss ass. And you feel bad pushing Ruma because you as scum could have mislynched me just as well. All votes yesterday were on cops.
JT is doing here an ISO of Ruma setting him up as a mafia read, but restricts it with a Miller concern. Then in his next post JT suddently is fine with voting Ruma without any mention of the "nagging feeling" of him being the Miller and carry on to vote Ruma until flipping to hammer Silver without any word about the miller situation. A town player would never discard the thought of lynching the Miller - either they won't vote them or they will vote them and try to force them a claim if they really are the Miller but JT just ignores it completely. For example, Tiger #118 and GJ #132 are good examples to a townie reaction to a concern that Ruma is the miller.
Here JT basically decides his vote based on Ruma vote for me and where people stands on the wagon. This is a big scumtell IMO because a mafia is much more likely to vote as a reaction to other player voting due to distancing and effort to appear townie at voting analysis, while I feel a town might look at the voters in which wagon but won't be trigged to vote one way just because another player voted the other way. I never had any game where I saw another player vote for one player and it triggered me to vote the other.
JT townread of Vaimes is strange, even Vaimes himself noted it at #92. IMO Tiger and GJ were way more townie. But whats scummier is the consistency in which he townreads him. There is no doubt at all throughout the whole game. And the posts he gives in the reply to GJ feels forced, like he gave them only because he had to give something to remain consistent with his Vaimes townread.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I don't even understand how this is a case.
I think Silver made a mistake here. The way he posted the spoiler.. he knows I'm a cop and he feels the need to make sure he didn't cross a line and clarify its not personal. A mafia would never have this idea of writing this spoiler making sure he knows its the game and not personal if its a fake fight with his mafia buddy, because no one will pay attention to it beaide me - it was clearly a genuine reactiom that he was worried I am taking this too personal and being offended and felt bad about it. Faking anger is fine but you don't start an kinda OOG clarification if you are just throwing a scum theatre to distance yourself for others to see.
I think the fact that's your main case for being town, the thing you feel is MOST important to note on why GJ should lynch me over you answers yout question.
You wouldn't becuse you are scum. If you are town you would realize its not about actions but rather about motivation. Yes, you flipped from Ruma to Silver which is townie but WHY you did it was not related to the concern he is the miller which is scummy. If a feeling just disappears right after you have it, then its wasn't really a nagging feeling you genuinely had, is it?
JT, I am saying that the posts you chosed to "mindmeld" with Vaimes are forced and you wouldn't choose them as examples if you were a town with a true read of Vaimes.
I also meant that the benefit of claiming cop on GJ is huge as mafia because now you have an action that doesn't make sense to do as mafia on your resume which seperates you from myself. The fact you immediately pointed out as your first point as your main defence shows that shows you are also aware how much benefit it gains you, so you didn't ask the question genuinely, you already knew the answer and just wanted to point out how much of a cop it makes you in the first chance you got.
Regarding the miller claim I made a mistake and forgot to take the miller into account when I was analyzing.
The silver quote doesn't have to do with you, but with me..
I am also aware that you were on Ruma, but as I was saying the motivation that triggered you to vote Ruma and Silver is not town, for the reasons I explained in my posts.
I also noticed, that when even asked explicitly by GJ to vote Abu/Silver, Meteor refuses and votes Ruma instead. I even call out the Silver/Abu-Meteor connection in detail in post #163.
Then me and silver fight for most of Page 4.
Metoer's post #205, starts off very similar to the post that got me going on Abu, "I see some suspicion about me" and continues on about not catching up or really reading.
I also was explicitly handed the opportunity to hammer Meteor and did not, instead I eventually hammer Scum-Silver. How does that make sense as scum!?
Post #219 really rubs me the wrong way with the "Riku now that you realize I am town, please answer", like what was the point of that. That's a guilty subconscious phrasing.
This post seems super soft on Meteor, even a bit protective.
Just putting this up here to back up my points
Posts #350 and #352 felt a bit mud slingy to me and GJ points them out as opportunistic which is a bit of a better word for it. I need to go back and look at claim order for Day 2. I feel like Meteor also claimed like the second or third town check on Tiger, which seems pretty suspicious too, considering the Miller died Night 1.
The benefit claiming green is giving GJ real information to work with. The fact that I addressed it, was just that it was a topic of discussion when I came into the Day. It's all WIFOM at this point which is why I said that it doesn't mean anything coming from me.
Haha what a huge scumslip.
You just admitted you only said GJ is green to look like you are helping him, you don't realize you suppose to act like you don't know his alignment. If you were town the benefit of claiming green on GJ is first of all you knowing who the framer is, rather than helping another player.
@GJ this time I found a 100% scumslip!!!
Had to point it out first before replying to the rest.
Haha ok humor me. Walk me through on what you were trying to say with that comment.
Here's a fun game. Let's compare what you say town!JT would say with what I actually said:
What about all my posts that came before this? They were not a case?
Interesting that you don't defend yourself but rather have a lame fake attempt to act as if you and GJ are on the same team. What about the rest of the town? You don't care if Ruma, Vaimes or Tiger loses? Obviously not since you are mafia.
Why would you talk about the pros of MAFIA claiming green on GJ if you are the town who claimed that result? Lets not insult our intelligence here.
Are you seriously quoting me a post from before where you didn't slip? How does this help anyone?