I am going on vacation, and not sure if I will have any access to internet. So VLA until 14/10, I guess. Will try to log in and post though if I get the chance.
Because of this, I will read the game soon and will place my vote, although I would have liked to wait for more answers and posts but whatever, better than risking not getting to vote before the day ends.
Does the sentence “Do you think I should unvote JT?” sound like something I would direct at you and not at someone else /about/ you?
I dunno, your townread is nice but the strength of it is a little lost on me.
Didn't notice you were voting JT. I am not going to tell you who to vote unlike GJ lol.
I guess a better question would be who would you vote if the two wagons were Abu and Riku (my two top2 mafia reads), but you are not gonna answer this anyway but the time I leave to the vacation..
In general I feel kinda discuraged about this game. Still no answers from Abu and Riku and I don't feel like asking more questions and waiting more days, and dragging this on and on..
I assume GJ is joking regarding wanting to lynch the miller. I do appreciate someone trying to lead town.
I read the Vaimes - JT interactions and I have no idea what to make of those, soooo strange. Gonna try rereading and see if it make more sense.
I have three people in my PoE. If one of them is the miller, I just go for the remaining two. That's why I am hoping one of my town reads isn't miller. Makes my life much easier.
More votes on Abu. As if to proof my point, he has continued to coast. He isn't the only one, but he is where I am starting today. Feel free to start hunting, or change my mind, but whining about me voting you, and calling it out like its the whole game reads defensive. Asknig some half hearted questions to Terry does not replace hunting.
I wouldn't hate Vaimes right now, since he is pinging my radar a bit. But like I said, the remaining 3 go down. With any luck, one of them is the miller.
Ok, team leader. I don't get what's bothering you about Vaimes. Abu. I totally get. Vaimes posts just seem genuine and like he's trying to figure out a way to break the game. Though I'm not sure why you would like my entrance and then throw me in your Lynch pool.
I am going on vacation, and not sure if I will have any access to internet. So VLA until 14/10, I guess. Will try to log in and post though if I get the chance.
Because of this, I will read the game soon and will place my vote, although I would have liked to wait for more answers and posts but whatever, better than risking not getting to vote before the day ends.
Does the sentence “Do you think I should unvote JT?” sound like something I would direct at you and not at someone else /about/ you?
I dunno, your townread is nice but the strength of it is a little lost on me.
Didn't notice you were voting JT. I am not going to tell you who to vote unlike GJ lol.
I guess a better question would be who would you vote if the two wagons were Abu and Riku (my two top2 mafia reads), but you are not gonna answer this anyway but the time I leave to the vacation..
In general I feel kinda discuraged about this game. Still no answers from Abu and Riku and I don't feel like asking more questions and waiting more days, and dragging this on and on..
I assume GJ is joking regarding wanting to lynch the miller. I do appreciate someone trying to lead town.
I read the Vaimes - JT interactions and I have no idea what to make of those, soooo strange. Gonna try rereading and see if it make more sense.
I have three people in my PoE. If one of them is the miller, I just go for the remaining two. That's why I am hoping one of my town reads isn't miller. Makes my life much easier.
I don't know GJ... You're starting to make me question your leadership ability. The Miller is our Ace in the hole. We don't want the miller to get lynched ever.
I am going on vacation, and not sure if I will have any access to internet. So VLA until 14/10, I guess. Will try to log in and post though if I get the chance.
Because of this, I will read the game soon and will place my vote, although I would have liked to wait for more answers and posts but whatever, better than risking not getting to vote before the day ends.
Does the sentence “Do you think I should unvote JT?” sound like something I would direct at you and not at someone else /about/ you?
I dunno, your townread is nice but the strength of it is a little lost on me.
Didn't notice you were voting JT. I am not going to tell you who to vote unlike GJ lol.
I guess a better question would be who would you vote if the two wagons were Abu and Riku (my two top2 mafia reads), but you are not gonna answer this anyway but the time I leave to the vacation..
In general I feel kinda discuraged about this game. Still no answers from Abu and Riku and I don't feel like asking more questions and waiting more days, and dragging this on and on..
I assume GJ is joking regarding wanting to lynch the miller. I do appreciate someone trying to lead town.
I read the Vaimes - JT interactions and I have no idea what to make of those, soooo strange. Gonna try rereading and see if it make more sense.
I have three people in my PoE. If one of them is the miller, I just go for the remaining two. That's why I am hoping one of my town reads isn't miller. Makes my life much easier.
I don't know GJ... You're starting to make me question your leadership ability. The Miller is our Ace in the hole. We don't want the miller to get lynched ever.
*blinks several times*
3 people I want to lynch. If one is miller, I go for the other two. That means I am clearing that person, not lynching them.
Vaimes tone is way off in a way I can't quite explain, and his questions feel more "look I am posting" rather than "I am hunting". I don't really know how to explain but it's the mafia phenominon where you know someone is probably a wolf, but you don't know how to explain it to other people. I am content leaving him alone for now, but even if I am wrong, he is in no way a top town read. That's my biggest problem with your read.
Especially considering I have this habit of ******* dying night 1, the fact that you are even worrying about that is troubling.
But when you say so and so is wolfy, but not willing to vote or push when we are at an impasse, we are just masturbating. Cool, you think Abu is wolfy. Awesome dude, what else you got?
Both Abu and Riku posts give me "as long as it ain't me" vibe as I read along, rather than "lets lynch mafia".
However, Riku has shown nothing so far and I feel like he is delaying his posts as much as possible to avoid getting lynched,
Especially considering I have this habit of ******* dying night 1, the fact that you are even worrying about that is troubling.
But when you say so and so is wolfy, but not willing to vote or push when we are at an impasse, we are just masturbating. Cool, you think Abu is wolfy. Awesome dude, what else you got?
I very rarely play micros, so I’m being conscious of not having too many votes on one player.
There’s no deadline and it feels absurd to move into Night with what we have now, but again, micros aren’t really my thing so my valuation could be off.
Personally, I find bussing in micros is a thumbs down. Especially pussyfoot levels of bussing.
Meteor can confirm DV bussed anak pretty hard in Cops 1. And I see a **** ton of bussing in micros. More than I think should happen, I agree, but it does happen often.
Especially considering I have this habit of ******* dying night 1, the fact that you are even worrying about that is troubling.
But when you say so and so is wolfy, but not willing to vote or push when we are at an impasse, we are just masturbating. Cool, you think Abu is wolfy. Awesome dude, what else you got?
I very rarely play micros, so I’m being conscious of not having too many votes on one player.
There’s no deadline and it feels absurd to move into Night with what we have now, but again, micros aren’t really my thing so my valuation could be off.
No, I will not townread your aggression.
I don't care if you do. You should townread the fact that I am the only one trying to force reads.
Both Abu and Riku posts give me "as long as it ain't me" vibe as I read along, rather than "lets lynch mafia".
However, Riku has shown nothing so far and I feel like he is delaying his posts as much as possible to avoid getting lynched,
Sorry, on a business trip for four days, will try to write as much as possible. Observations:
GJ deciding to take a leader role is not something I generally like, but it does match the behavior he showed before in this game and to be honest, someone had to take the lead.
MS deciding not to follow GJs instructions on who to vote surprised me in a good way. But it would be bad for MS if Abu is lynched and flips scum.
Vaimes' interaction with GJ is also something I like, feels like he is not feeling under pressure, which would translate into town.
GJ then switching to Riku is also good. Feeling good about the four of us at this moment.
I like that JT answered me, but something still feels kinda off. Cant put my finger on it right now.
Abu and Riku need to answer concerns raised against them as soon as possible.
If I count correctly, I believe there are three votes on Riku? Does the day end with the fourth hammer vote (1), or with a deadline (2)?
If 1, Riku should reveal if he is the miller and there really are three votes on him.
Sorry, on a business trip for four days, will try to write as much as possible. Observations:
GJ deciding to take a leader role is not something I generally like, but it does match the behavior he showed before in this game and to be honest, someone had to take the lead.
MS deciding not to follow GJs instructions on who to vote surprised me in a good way. But it would be bad for MS if Abu is lynched and flips scum.
Vaimes' interaction with GJ is also something I like, feels like he is not feeling under pressure, which would translate into town.
GJ then switching to Riku is also good. Feeling good about the four of us at this moment.
I like that JT answered me, but something still feels kinda off. Cant put my finger on it right now.
Abu and Riku need to answer concerns raised against them as soon as possible.
If I count correctly, I believe there are three votes on Riku? Does the day end with the fourth hammer vote (1), or with a deadline (2)?
If 1, Riku should reveal if he is the miller and there really are three votes on him.
If 2, when is the deadline?
tl;dr
Riku should absolutely claim, or give one hell of a reason why he should be lynched.
I don't understand how anyone doesn't read Vaimes as overly defensive and likes it. Problem for tomorrow, I suppose.
Especially considering I have this habit of ******* dying night 1, the fact that you are even worrying about that is troubling.
But when you say so and so is wolfy, but not willing to vote or push when we are at an impasse, we are just masturbating. Cool, you think Abu is wolfy. Awesome dude, what else you got?
I very rarely play micros, so I’m being conscious of not having too many votes on one player.
There’s no deadline and it feels absurd to move into Night with what we have now, but again, micros aren’t really my thing so my valuation could be off.
No, I will not townread your aggression.
I don't care if you do. You should townread the fact that I am the only one trying to force reads.
Dude guys! Riku is at L-2! Oh wait... Riku is a totally fabricated player name. Haha this is too much. Leadership officially revoked GJ. You just sheeped a vote on a non existent player.
Hi Silver, your slot was my least favorite. Prove me wrong UNVOTE
Dude guys! Riku is at L-2! Oh wait... Riku is a totally fabricated player name. Haha this is too much. Leadership officially revoked GJ. You just sheeped a vote on a non existent player.
Hi Silver, your slot was my least favorite. Prove me wrong UNVOTE
I was assuming riku was a nickname for Ruma. I even said Ruma a few times and people kept saying Riki. If that was not the case, I do apologize.
Also, lol guys. Good job at all being various levels of scummy... Oh wait, that's the entire point.
To those who say I should respond to concerns... Nah, screw that. I'll address something that I feel is important, but if you raise a concern that is mediocre, eh, why should I care? You could be scum *Shrugs*
Now onto the important *****. TheTiger47 is someone I think could be scum. See #118 for the following argument to make sure I haven't paraphrased or manipulated in any way.
"GJ deciding to take a leader role is not something I generally like, but it does match the behavior he showed before in this game and to be honest, someone had to take the lead."
Eh, behavioural read. Fine, whatever.
"MS deciding not to follow GJs instructions on who to vote surprised me in a good way. But it would be bad for MS if Abu is lynched and flips scum."
Is abu going to flip scum?
"Vaimes' interaction with GJ is also something I like, feels like he is not feeling under pressure, which would translate into town."
That translates to scum, not town... Town tend to feel pressure more than scum... I guess that is a player thing though, so I'd need to remember if Vaimes is a pressured town or pressured scum.
"GJ then switching to Riku is also good. Feeling good about the four of us at this moment. "
Of the exact opposite opinion due to the difference in where pressure is felt.
"I like that JT answered me, but something still feels kinda off. Cant put my finger on it right now."
Are you placing suspicion on JT because he's town, or because he's a scummbuddy. Or are you a paranoid town?
"Abu and Riku need to answer concerns raised against them as soon as possible."
As I said earlier, screw that. I'll either play to the point people remove their suspicions, or get lynched because of it. I'll answer concerns by playing, not by responding (Cause responding is one sure way to let scum push a lynch on town.)
"If I count correctly, I believe there are three votes on Riku? Does the day end with the fourth hammer vote (1), or with a deadline (2)?"
There is no deadline. It takes a hammer to end a day.
"If 1, Riku should reveal if he is the miller and there really are three votes on him."
#1; Claiming is boring.
#2; At that point, having a miller is kind of useless, no?
#3; Better hope I'm not the miller
Now of course, I'm a bit odd in my manner of thinking so take that with a grain of salt. Alright, let's continue to look at the stuff ya been saying.
#119 from Gentleman Johhny
tl;dr
"Riku should absolutely claim, or give one hell of a reason why he should be lynched."
Absolutely false.
"I don't understand how anyone doesn't read Vaimes as overly defensive and likes it. Problem for tomorrow, I suppose."
I mean, overly defensive tends to be a good sign for town o.O But you guys are reading him complete opposites, so I'm gonna have to re-read. Yay.
Actually, #127 Vaimes feels so much like coasty scum that I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Vaimes is the scum you're looking for. How about look at it today, rather than tomorrow
And I just realised my original plan has so many flaws that I need to go back to the drawing board FML.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
Who tried to be the Ruma/Riku wagon? Tiger, GJ, Meteor?
Because I... don't really want to lynch him. Maybe -EV to explain why but his last post is. something a wolf probably doesn't make at effectively L-1? Don't like that GJ is still trying to push the lynch through after it or force a claim, either.
@Terry: Could you describe your GJ read in as much detail as possible?
@Tiger47: Could you explain your Vaimes read a bit more? Would you expect wolf!Vaimes to feel pressured for some reason?
@GJ: I don't have any strong reads at the moment. Could you elaborate on your Abu read? Is it literally just "he was low posting"?
Quick phone post on WiFi, didn't have time to read all the new posts.
Riku last post would be more impressive if not the fact mafia has day 1 chat (it's a bit unnatural to go from 0 ti 100)
I didnt get to read the points in detail so I can't say I agree with the content but the effort and town tone is definitely there. I am 50-50 on whether this is actual town or mafia realizing he is gonna be lynched and doing impersonation of one.
Going from memory Vaimes progression on Riku is strange. Town reading him for no reason, then saying him and Abu are the mafia team when he seemed very likely to be the lynch, and now reading Riku as town again. Possible Riku/Vaimes team. Specially when Riku keeps ignoring Vaimes previous question I really want to know the answer to myself.
If I remember this wrong then forget about this post, no time read back. Later. Sorry if typos.
Who tried to be the Ruma/Riku wagon? Tiger, GJ, Meteor?
Because I... don't really want to lynch him. Maybe -EV to explain why but his last post is. something a wolf probably doesn't make at effectively L-1? Don't like that GJ is still trying to push the lynch through after it or force a claim, either.
@Terry: Could you describe your GJ read in as much detail as possible?
@Tiger47: Could you explain your Vaimes read a bit more? Would you expect wolf!Vaimes to feel pressured for some reason?
@GJ: I don't have any strong reads at the moment. Could you elaborate on your Abu read? Is it literally just "he was low posting"?
To those who say I should respond to concerns... Nah, screw that. I'll address something that I feel is important, but if you raise a concern that is mediocre, eh, why should I care? You could be scum *Shrugs*
I strongly dislike the "you could be scum so I'll ignore whatever the hell I want" stance. This is nothing more than dodging questions. If you feel they are not legitimate, ahow us why and put pressure on those asking them.
"MS deciding not to follow GJs instructions on who to vote surprised me in a good way. But it would be bad for MS if Abu is lynched and flips scum."
Is abu going to flip scum?
Only Abu and scum team (possible overlap) know that.
"Vaimes' interaction with GJ is also something I like, feels like he is not feeling under pressure, which would translate into town."
That translates to scum, not town... Town tend to feel pressure more than scum... I guess that is a player thing though, so I'd need to remember if Vaimes is a pressured town or pressured scum.
I wildly disagree. Townie should not be afraid to die, unless at LYLO or MYLO. It gives town a data point and is much less damaging to lose one townie for town than it is to lose pne scum for scum. I have no idea whatsoever why in the world should it be just the other way around.
"GJ then switching to Riku is also good. Feeling good about the four of us at this moment. "
Of the exact opposite opinion due to the difference in where pressure is felt.
Except it's not. I don't feel any of the three feel afraid of being lynched and I know for a fact I'm town.
"I like that JT answered me, but something still feels kinda off. Cant put my finger on it right now."
Are you placing suspicion on JT because he's town, or because he's a scummbuddy. Or are you a paranoid town?
Ouy of the three, I'd say paranoid town. Are you making my statements look shady because I'm town, or because I'm your scumbuddy. Or are you a paranoid town?
"Abu and Riku need to answer concerns raised against them as soon as possible."
As I said earlier, screw that. I'll either play to the point people remove their suspicions, or get lynched because of it. I'll answer concerns by playing, not by responding (Cause responding is one sure way to let scum push a lynch on town.)
Yeah. Or it is a sure way, to, you know... Answer concerns and help fellow townies understand what the hell you're doing.
"If I count correctly, I believe there are three votes on Riku? Does the day end with the fourth hammer vote (1), or with a deadline (2)?"
There is no deadline. It takes a hammer to end a day.
"If 1, Riku should reveal if he is the miller and there really are three votes on him."
#1; Claiming is boring.
#2; At that point, having a miller is kind of useless, no?
#3; Better hope I'm not the miller
1)... But helpful.
2) Not at all. Mafia will want to kill you at night, and not a cop, and you save a townie - yourself - from being lynched. If they still want to lynch you, they have to create a dipole which is good for town.
3) I don't think you're the miller, I think you're scum, hence my vote.
Actually, #127 Vaimes feels so much like coasty scum that I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Vaimes is the scum you're looking for. How about look at it today, rather than tomorrow
You called both me and Vaimes potential scum in this post. Where is your vote?
@Tiger47: Could you explain your Vaimes read a bit more? Would you expect wolf!Vaimes to feel pressured for some reason?
Yes, as I said in the previous post, I firmly believe scum should be worried about getting lynched, not town. The fact that some of you sughest otherwise worries me.
But I do have to admit I was focusing more on Riku and JT and that Vaimes was more of a gut read. Will have to ISO read him when I'll have the time. Probably not before the weekend.
I firmly believe scum should be worried about getting lynched, not town. The fact that some of you sughest otherwise worries me.
It isn't that town should be worried and wolves should not be, it's that both should be worried about being lynched for different reasons and being unconcerned is usually a personality trait not an alignment one. At least in my experience. I don't really know what Ruma's on about, saying that town should feel pressured but wolves shouldn't.
Your mindset seems to check out, though, so there's that at least.
Riku last post would be more impressive if not the fact mafia has day 1 chat (it's a bit unnatural to go from 0 ti 100)
I didnt get to read the points in detail so I can't say I agree with the content but the effort and town tone is definitely there. I am 50-50 on whether this is actual town or mafia realizing he is gonna be lynched and doing impersonation of one.
Is tone something you think of as fakeable given enough time/coaching? When you get a minute, could you pull out the parts of Ruma's post you liked based on "town tone"?
@GJ Did you realize Vaimes #127 ia aarcasm? What do you think about it?
@Silver, those are the parts, yes I believe they all could be faked with enough time and coaching help. I fell for much more townie vibes in posts in the past.
To those who say I should respond to concerns... Nah, screw that. I'll address something that I feel is important, but if you raise a concern that is mediocre, eh, why should I care? You could be scum *Shrugs*
Now onto the important *****. TheTiger47 is someone I think could be scum. See #118 for the following argument to make sure I haven't paraphrased or manipulated in any way.
As I said earlier, screw that. I'll either play to the point people remove their suspicions, or get lynched because of it. I'll answer concerns by playing, not by responding (Cause responding is one sure way to let scum push a lynch on town.)
Absolutely false.
I mean, overly defensive tends to be a good sign for town o.O But you guys are reading him complete opposites, so I'm gonna have to re-read. Yay.
And I just realised my original plan has so many flaws that I need to go back to the drawing board FML.
I have been thinking about just lynching Vaimes today though, tbh. I have been giving him plenty of slack, and just been thoroughly unimpressed. Plus, he got greedy and kept skimming and succeeding and I haven't forgiven him for that.
I think Meteor is much more underwhelming compared to that one game we were together in. I can’t remember if it was BBB or something else, but I distinctly remember him being universally townread pretty consistently.
I have no feelings towards him whatsoever besides “active enough to complain about activity,” he’s asking some questions but they don’t really have that zing where you know he’s on the hunt.
Eh maybe I need to find that game and see how well I’m actually remembering this.
I have three people in my PoE. If one of them is the miller, I just go for the remaining two. That's why I am hoping one of my town reads isn't miller. Makes my life much easier.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Do you think I should unvote JT?
or
Do you think I should unvote, JT?
*blinks several times*
3 people I want to lynch. If one is miller, I go for the other two. That means I am clearing that person, not lynching them.
Vaimes tone is way off in a way I can't quite explain, and his questions feel more "look I am posting" rather than "I am hunting". I don't really know how to explain but it's the mafia phenominon where you know someone is probably a wolf, but you don't know how to explain it to other people. I am content leaving him alone for now, but even if I am wrong, he is in no way a top town read. That's my biggest problem with your read.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Town leader position revoked.
That said, I’m fine voting Abu, but won’t do it until we’re actually ready to end the Day.
Almost any lynch is a shot in the dark right now fmpov, with Abu having a microscopically higher chance of being scum.
Pretending busing/distancing aren't things while you slank is not making me look at your slot any better.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
But when you say so and so is wolfy, but not willing to vote or push when we are at an impasse, we are just masturbating. Cool, you think Abu is wolfy. Awesome dude, what else you got?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
However, Riku has shown nothing so far and I feel like he is delaying his posts as much as possible to avoid getting lynched,
Vote: Riku
Sorry GJ.
There’s no deadline and it feels absurd to move into Night with what we have now, but again, micros aren’t really my thing so my valuation could be off.
No, I will not townread your aggression.
Meteor can confirm DV bussed anak pretty hard in Cops 1. And I see a **** ton of bussing in micros. More than I think should happen, I agree, but it does happen often.
Again though, not the point.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I don't care if you do. You should townread the fact that I am the only one trying to force reads.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I can get behind this.
Unvote, Vote Riku
The GJ way path to no lynching:
GJ deciding to take a leader role is not something I generally like, but it does match the behavior he showed before in this game and to be honest, someone had to take the lead.
MS deciding not to follow GJs instructions on who to vote surprised me in a good way. But it would be bad for MS if Abu is lynched and flips scum.
Vaimes' interaction with GJ is also something I like, feels like he is not feeling under pressure, which would translate into town.
GJ then switching to Riku is also good. Feeling good about the four of us at this moment.
I like that JT answered me, but something still feels kinda off. Cant put my finger on it right now.
Abu and Riku need to answer concerns raised against them as soon as possible.
If I count correctly, I believe there are three votes on Riku? Does the day end with the fourth hammer vote (1), or with a deadline (2)?
If 1, Riku should reveal if he is the miller and there really are three votes on him.
If 2, when is the deadline?
tl;dr
Riku should absolutely claim, or give one hell of a reason why he should be lynched.
I don't understand how anyone doesn't read Vaimes as overly defensive and likes it. Problem for tomorrow, I suppose.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Cool
Whose more likely a wolf between Ab and Riku?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Do not discuss subs.
Also as an aside there are no players named "riku" in this game...
Current votal:
Silver (1) - joe
Joe (1) - vaimes
Ruma (1) - tiger
Not voting: (4) - silver, ruma, meteor, gj
Hi Silver, your slot was my least favorite. Prove me wrong UNVOTE
Hi Silver.
I was assuming riku was a nickname for Ruma. I even said Ruma a few times and people kept saying Riki. If that was not the case, I do apologize.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Hi Silver.
Don't see a reason to re-vote right now, we can take a bit more time to discuss with Silver before lynching someone.
GlGl
Top town and top wolf when you have the opportunity.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Also, lol guys. Good job at all being various levels of scummy... Oh wait, that's the entire point.
To those who say I should respond to concerns... Nah, screw that. I'll address something that I feel is important, but if you raise a concern that is mediocre, eh, why should I care? You could be scum *Shrugs*
Now onto the important *****. TheTiger47 is someone I think could be scum. See #118 for the following argument to make sure I haven't paraphrased or manipulated in any way.
"GJ deciding to take a leader role is not something I generally like, but it does match the behavior he showed before in this game and to be honest, someone had to take the lead."
Eh, behavioural read. Fine, whatever.
"MS deciding not to follow GJs instructions on who to vote surprised me in a good way. But it would be bad for MS if Abu is lynched and flips scum."
Is abu going to flip scum?
"Vaimes' interaction with GJ is also something I like, feels like he is not feeling under pressure, which would translate into town."
That translates to scum, not town... Town tend to feel pressure more than scum... I guess that is a player thing though, so I'd need to remember if Vaimes is a pressured town or pressured scum.
"GJ then switching to Riku is also good. Feeling good about the four of us at this moment. "
Of the exact opposite opinion due to the difference in where pressure is felt.
"I like that JT answered me, but something still feels kinda off. Cant put my finger on it right now."
Are you placing suspicion on JT because he's town, or because he's a scummbuddy. Or are you a paranoid town?
"Abu and Riku need to answer concerns raised against them as soon as possible."
As I said earlier, screw that. I'll either play to the point people remove their suspicions, or get lynched because of it. I'll answer concerns by playing, not by responding (Cause responding is one sure way to let scum push a lynch on town.)
"If I count correctly, I believe there are three votes on Riku? Does the day end with the fourth hammer vote (1), or with a deadline (2)?"
There is no deadline. It takes a hammer to end a day.
"If 1, Riku should reveal if he is the miller and there really are three votes on him."
#1; Claiming is boring.
#2; At that point, having a miller is kind of useless, no?
#3; Better hope I'm not the miller
Now of course, I'm a bit odd in my manner of thinking so take that with a grain of salt. Alright, let's continue to look at the stuff ya been saying.
#119 from Gentleman Johhny
tl;dr
"Riku should absolutely claim, or give one hell of a reason why he should be lynched."
Absolutely false.
"I don't understand how anyone doesn't read Vaimes as overly defensive and likes it. Problem for tomorrow, I suppose."
I mean, overly defensive tends to be a good sign for town o.O But you guys are reading him complete opposites, so I'm gonna have to re-read. Yay.
Actually, #127 Vaimes feels so much like coasty scum that I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Vaimes is the scum you're looking for. How about look at it today, rather than tomorrow
And I just realised my original plan has so many flaws that I need to go back to the drawing board FML.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I’m giving Silver a day or so then I’m moving my vote back if I’m not impressed. Abu slot was icky
Because I... don't really want to lynch him. Maybe -EV to explain why but his last post is. something a wolf probably doesn't make at effectively L-1? Don't like that GJ is still trying to push the lynch through after it or force a claim, either.
@Terry: Could you describe your GJ read in as much detail as possible?
@Tiger47: Could you explain your Vaimes read a bit more? Would you expect wolf!Vaimes to feel pressured for some reason?
@GJ: I don't have any strong reads at the moment. Could you elaborate on your Abu read? Is it literally just "he was low posting"?
It’s the year of our lord 2018 and people are still bending over backwards to scumread me. MTGS plz.
/distancing
Pft, i would read you one other time and you were an sk. Try harder.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Riku last post would be more impressive if not the fact mafia has day 1 chat (it's a bit unnatural to go from 0 ti 100)
I didnt get to read the points in detail so I can't say I agree with the content but the effort and town tone is definitely there. I am 50-50 on whether this is actual town or mafia realizing he is gonna be lynched and doing impersonation of one.
Going from memory Vaimes progression on Riku is strange. Town reading him for no reason, then saying him and Abu are the mafia team when he seemed very likely to be the lynch, and now reading Riku as town again. Possible Riku/Vaimes team. Specially when Riku keeps ignoring Vaimes previous question I really want to know the answer to myself.
If I remember this wrong then forget about this post, no time read back. Later. Sorry if typos.
Also I thought Abu had more votes. I am 100% not paying attention to votecounts, which is why I’m leaving my vote on JT.
Low posting, not hunting, overly defensive.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I strongly dislike the "you could be scum so I'll ignore whatever the hell I want" stance. This is nothing more than dodging questions. If you feel they are not legitimate, ahow us why and put pressure on those asking them.
Only Abu and scum team (possible overlap) know that.
I wildly disagree. Townie should not be afraid to die, unless at LYLO or MYLO. It gives town a data point and is much less damaging to lose one townie for town than it is to lose pne scum for scum. I have no idea whatsoever why in the world should it be just the other way around.
Except it's not. I don't feel any of the three feel afraid of being lynched and I know for a fact I'm town.
Ouy of the three, I'd say paranoid town. Are you making my statements look shady because I'm town, or because I'm your scumbuddy. Or are you a paranoid town?
Yeah. Or it is a sure way, to, you know... Answer concerns and help fellow townies understand what the hell you're doing.
Thanks.
1)... But helpful.
2) Not at all. Mafia will want to kill you at night, and not a cop, and you save a townie - yourself - from being lynched. If they still want to lynch you, they have to create a dipole which is good for town.
3) I don't think you're the miller, I think you're scum, hence my vote.
You called both me and Vaimes potential scum in this post. Where is your vote?
How very convenient.
Yes, as I said in the previous post, I firmly believe scum should be worried about getting lynched, not town. The fact that some of you sughest otherwise worries me.
But I do have to admit I was focusing more on Riku and JT and that Vaimes was more of a gut read. Will have to ISO read him when I'll have the time. Probably not before the weekend.
It isn't that town should be worried and wolves should not be, it's that both should be worried about being lynched for different reasons and being unconcerned is usually a personality trait not an alignment one. At least in my experience. I don't really know what Ruma's on about, saying that town should feel pressured but wolves shouldn't.
Your mindset seems to check out, though, so there's that at least.
Is tone something you think of as fakeable given enough time/coaching? When you get a minute, could you pull out the parts of Ruma's post you liked based on "town tone"?
@Silver, those are the parts, yes I believe they all could be faked with enough time and coaching help. I fell for much more townie vibes in posts in the past.
I had town reads on meteor and tiger, felt decent about terry. That leaves 3 players: Abu, Riku, and Vaimes. It's a 7 player game, slankers be damned.
@Meteor: I thought he was being sarcastic about "being scum read". Was I wrong?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I hope Gen Con comes soon.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I don’t really want to lynch Silverslot anymore.
I think Meteor is much more underwhelming compared to that one game we were together in. I can’t remember if it was BBB or something else, but I distinctly remember him being universally townread pretty consistently.
I have no feelings towards him whatsoever besides “active enough to complain about activity,” he’s asking some questions but they don’t really have that zing where you know he’s on the hunt.
Eh maybe I need to find that game and see how well I’m actually remembering this.
riiiiiiiip
I have no strong townreads. Someone save me.