THAT SEEMS VAGUELY DEFENSIBLE HABE YOU CHECKED IF THIS IS JUST HOW HE IS? LIKE, I THINK HIS PLAY HAS BEEN SCUMMY IN A VACUUM BUT IT SEEMS VAGUELY INTENTIONAL.
IDK I'M PROLLY NOT DOING A META DIVE BUT I KINDA LIKED ROOT AND
That's a wicked idea. Problem with a meta dive is I'm extremely bad at meta for a MS junkie and I'd be looking for something really specific (i.e. rep in meta as town vs rep in meta as a wolf vs hopefully rep in meta as a wolf in a bad spot).
I do like my vote where it is rn. I need to revisit root's contribution as well but I really struggled forming a strong read on him.
@VEZOK
LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
FUN FACT: I THINK KAMIS INTERACTIONS ARE SO BAD (MILD COACHING OF KILLMA, PUSHED THE GJ COUNTERWAGON, TOWNREAD CANTRIP WITH NO POST RVS INTERACTION) THAT HE'S ACTUALLY LESS LIKELY THAT'S NOT HOW PEOPLE PLAY SCUM
@WORST
WERE I NOT A LAZY PIECE OF ***** I WOULD SKIM AN ISO OR TWO JUST TO GET A PERSONALITY BASELINE AND SEE IF HE STILL FELT SCUMMY HERE.
YMMV
Uhhhhh if we have an idea of who we’re lynching and if there is another wolfy person that we’d sus next day lmk because I can probably delay the kill even more if we can find/guess who’s making them /shrug
Cool, glad I was wrong on how the NK was going to work. I'd take that as a town claim from Manasi (I can't think of a real reason why mafia would want to delay night actions in a setup this small, and what looks like a lot of unconventional roles), and the derphammer from Dias, while frustrating, is probably +town there as well. Could be a bus, but the way Dias defended themselves afterward doesn't read that way. Tom seems pretty behaviorally in the clear.
So, the lynch pool is... Kpaca?
Me
RE (mechanical clear)
Vezok/Manasi (mechanical unlikelihood)
Tom/The Worst/Dias (behavioral unlikelihood)
KA (has done something)
Kpaca (has not done something)
Guess I'll take the unknown quantity. I'll fencesit and say I'm not committed to this vote, but it seems like a reasonable place to start. Also, I'm going to make Vezok fancy unless someone has a serious complaint.
Cool, glad I was wrong on how the NK was going to work. I'd take that as a town claim from Manasi (I can't think of a real reason why mafia would want to delay night actions in a setup this small, and what looks like a lot of unconventional roles), and the derphammer from Dias, while frustrating, is probably +town there as well. Could be a bus, but the way Dias defended themselves afterward doesn't read that way. Tom seems pretty behaviorally in the clear.
So, the lynch pool is... Kpaca?
Me
RE (mechanical clear)
Vezok/Manasi (mechanical unlikelihood)
Tom/The Worst/Dias (behavioral unlikelihood)
KA (has done something)
Kpaca (has not done something)
Guess I'll take the unknown quantity. I'll fencesit and say I'm not committed to this vote, but it seems like a reasonable place to start. Also, I'm going to make Vezok fancy unless someone has a serious complaint.
Vote: Kpaca
SOMEONE CHECK MY CONFIRMATION BIAS THIS SEEMS SUPER OFF TO ME.
LIKE, NEITHER VEZOK OR MANASI IS MECHANICALLY CLEAR. VEZ I THINK IS TOWN BUT HIS ROLE DOES NOTHING FOR ME. MANASI BARELY CLAIMED AND ALSO... IVE BEEN ASSUMING THE ORIGINAL DELAY OF NIGHT ACTIONS WAS SCUM CONTROLLED AND MANASI SOFTING A SIMILAR ROLE?
FEEL LIKE I'M THE ONLY REAL MECHANICAL CLEAR...
ALBERTINO HASN'T DONE MUCH OF ANYTHING AND I FOUND WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AS CLEARING ALMOST COMPLETELY NAI. KAMI HAS DONE SOMETHING BUT NONE OF IT HAS BEEN ACTIVELY TOWNIE.
I'm liking Root, in general. I don't feel like he has a lot of substance in his posts, but he's persistent and focused, which is a good sign. Why are you asking me about him, specifically?
This doesn't sound like cantrip is whiteknighting a townie here. Much more plausible that Cantrip is defending his buddy as best as he can.
ALBERTINO IDK ABOUT TODAY BUT HE'S RIGHT THAT YOU'RE GONNA GET LYNCHED THIS GAME UNLESS YOU'RE TOWN AND CAN CONTRIBUTE TO FINDING SCUM BEFORE THAT HAPPENS.
I HAVE NOT SEEN YOU DO THAT
L-1 is as bad as hammering bc if you think the player is scum, it gives them the opportunity to self-hammer and end the Day.
Tom's right/I didn't take the roles of the flipped communicators into account in my haste. Slide him up to vez/Manasi.
What gave you that conclusion re: Manasi's claim, Tom?
Why do you think I'm clearing them when I explicitly made a separate category? Do you disagree with my assessment that I don't think those are likely to be town roles? Why/not?
OK DAN HERE'S MY OPINION ON CLAIMS THIS GAME WITH A POINT SYSTEM I'VE MADE UP ON THE SPOT:
TOM
>ROLE ON ITS OWN IS TOWN. LESS TIME TO PLAN IN SCUM CHAT, EXTRA INFO. 0.5 POINTS.
>NIGHT TALKER, ALONG WITH FLIPPED ROLES OF GJ + CANTRIP, FITS LOGICALLY 2-1 RELATED ROLES ALIGNMENT DISTRIBUTION. 1 POINT
>JAILED BY CANTRIP. 1 POINT.
RE
>TRACKER MARGINALLY MORE USEFUL TO TOWN COMPARED TO WATCHER FOR SCUM. 0.5 POINTS
>GUILTY RESULT ON CANTRIP, WHILE HE WAS IN GOOD POSITION. 2 POINTS.
DAN
>ROLE AS CLAIMED COULD EASILY BE SCUM OR TOWN. ZERO POINTS.
>INDEPENDENTLY CONFIRMED TO EXIST. .25 POINTS.
KAMI/KPACA/WORST
>UNCLAIMED. ZERO POINTS.
VEZOK
>RANDOMIZED ROLE, DON'T KNOW THE POSSIBILITIES. DOUBT I'D EVER BE ABLE TO GET ANYTHING WHILE ALIVE SINCE IF HE WAS SCUM COULD SHARE OR NOT SHARE TO HIS HEARTS CONTENT. ZERO POINTS
>THE ONLY ONE HE MENTIONED IS THE ONE THAT HAPPENED. KINDA CONVENIENT. -.5 POINTS
>INDEPENDENTLY CONFIRMED. .25 POINTS
ALBERTINO
>****ED AROUND WITH CLAIMING DOC, DIDN'T. -.25 POINTS
MANASI
>ROLE VAGUELY RELATED TO THREAD-WIDE AND UNCLAIMED DELAY. EITHER IN CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER ROLE OR THE CLAIMABLE PART OF A LARGER +SCUM ROLE. -.5 POINTS
SO YEAH. I DISAGREE COMPLETELY.
VEZOK I'VE GOT AS, LIKE, +1 FOR KILLMA INTERACTIONS AND +.5 FOR BEHAVIOR OR SOME *****, BUT HIS ROLE IS BARELY A CONSIDERATION.
MANASI I'D MAYBE BRING BACK UP TO ZERO FOR HER FIRST TWO DAYS BUT I'M CANCELLING THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY SHE CLAIMED TODAY. LIKE "WE SHOULD DECIDE ON TWO" INSTEAD OF FIGURING OUT WHO SHE WANTS TO [DO WHATEVER IT IS SHES NEBULOUSLY CLAIMING]
ACTUALLY THIS IS KINDA FUN
RE
+1 FOR KILLMA INTERACTIONS
+1 BEHAVIOR
KAMI
-1 FOR KILLMA INTERACTIONS
-1 FOR CANTRIP INTERACTIONS
+1 FOR THE ABOVE BEING JUST TOO MUCH
+.5 FOR META/SAME OLD KAMI
KPACA
-1 FOR GRAPE ENTRANCE
-.25 FOR JUST, LIKE, NOT BEING AROUND YO
ALBERTINO
.25 FOR ROOT BEING [EXTREMELY LOW CONFIDENCE] TOWNIE
-.5 FOR... ALBERTINO IN GENERAL. MIGHT BE PLAYSTYLE.
DAN
-.5 FOR KILLMA INTERACTIONS
-1 FOR GUT BECAUSE IT'S MY POINT SYSTEM AND I SAID SO
@tom: My twelve abilities are all good things mostly. The normalize one is the only on that has a possibility of being not helpful. That means I have to try to target town people. If I was scum it would make no sense to target RE at night when I could have just targeted a buddy. It doesn't confirm me as town, but I'd have to do some really weird plays to justify being scum.
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@tom: My twelve abilities are all good things mostly. The normalize one is the only on that has a possibility of being not helpful. That means I have to try to target town people. If I was scum it would make no sense to target RE at night when I could have just targeted a buddy. It doesn't confirm me as town, but I'd have to do some really weird plays to justify being scum.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SCUM.
IT'S JUST NOT BECAUSE OF YOUR [8% CLAIMED/92% UNCLAIMED, UNPROVEN EXCEPT FOR VANILLIZER WHICH IS >RANDSCUM, NOT REALLY ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE EVEN IF IT IS REAL, CANNOT BE PROVEN THAT IT'S RANDOM AT ALL YOU COULD TOTALLY BE A SCUM JACK OF ALL TRADES WITH A PRETTY SWEET FAKE CLAIM] ROLE.
AND THE FACT THAT DAN IS ESSENTIALLY REDUCING HIS READ ON YOU (AND MANASI) TO "WELL THEY PARTIALLY CLAIMED IN A ROLE MADNESS MINI SO THEY MUST BE TOWN" JUST SCREAMS "SCUM THAT KNOWS YOU'RE BOTH TOWN" TO ME
You've got a whole lot of these vague things. Do you have anything specific?
/barn
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To prove I can create an original thought:
>KA trys to start game
>RE decides he doesn't like this, and votes him
>RE acknowledges KA was trying to start the game after being called out by Killma, but doesn't unvote
>RE acknowledges that his vote was after RVS, but still a random vote, but defends his random vote
>Defense of not-so-random random vote chooses to omit the first reaction that it was intended to generate (mine)
It's a scumtell because you seem unaware of how Mikey is being perceived by the majority of the thread (suggesting a bias that comes with insider knowledge). I would not describe his reads as "sufficient," and considering some of his unexplained reads included a scumread of you (which from your perspective, should be automatically wrong), I would be more doubtful of his alignment. It's why I took issue with his Manasi read, because I did not see what he saw.
I feel like you have a disconnect here between how my not acknowledging the read and my being unaware of how Mikey is being perceived are related. I've acknowledged his claim and explained why that is not enough to cause people to reconsider, which implicitly acknowledges that he is looked upon unfavorably by a large portion of the town.
Here is where I made assumptions. If someone makes a read that I agree with and they don't explain, I might not take issue with it. If someone makes a read I don't understand and they didn't provide reasoning for it, I would ask them to explain to see if they're justified in it. I'm going to assume that you wouldn't understand why Mikey called you scummy, because from your perspective, you should be town. He also didn't explain why, so how is that read sufficient, from your pov? But if being called scummy without reason is something you don't question at this stage of the game, then I have no idea.
I feel like I asked him to explain his reads sufficiently. Again, my definition of "sufficient" is based off of interactions with him in other games, and not what I would feel comfortable putting my name behind. Context here is key. I assume you disagree?
If I sound condescending, it's not my intention, so I apologize. *snip* That's what I'm asking you to cite, because in my experience, it is irrelevant to their alignment and more reflective of their style.
Apology accepted. It could be more of a stylistic issue, and I'd love to cite this information for you, but I think you and I can both acknowledge that it'd be a herculean amount of effort to go back and cite a sufficient number of games for multiple individuals to call this substantial. Agree to disagree.
What you call a "horrible assumption" is, I don't know your alignment. For me to assume you gave me the benefit of the doubt I would first need to be aware that you are town and are approaching me without knowing my alignment. Otherwise, if you are scum, then you definitely did not consider both possibilities of my alignment.
What I was referring to by horrible assumption was a couple of fallacies (deliberate ignorance and an implied No True Scotsman with the "Are you the kind of player who lynches others over differing mafia ideologies?" bit) I've noted in your last couple of replies, which added to the condescension. That, combined with you saying I was misrepresenting your position. I'd go further into mafia theory here, but I think that'd be minorly productive at best (although we can continue if you'd like) and we need to curtail this discussion.
Also @RE I think there are decent odds that Mikey doesn't know that neighborizer is a role that can be regularly seen as both alignments. And flavor should almost never be alignment indicative, unless you are given mechanical reason to know so (as Cantrip said).
@KA Ready to discuss your Mikey read, pre-GJ? I'll take post-GJ too if you're up to it.
@Tom re: 372 If you're gonna lynch both of them, why move to the one that's more work (further from L-0)?
@GJ Hi, glad you're here. What makes you think the lack of resistance signifies that the wagon should be town? We didn't exactly have any direction prior to this.
@Vezok I'm not sure the overlap/mutual exclusivity between your role and Mikey's. To avoid parroting the same "what's normal" question, what made you want to soft-CC after Tom had already done so? And did the nature of your role's randomness not contribute to your analysis of the differences of your two roles?
@OsieMod You have Mikey still listed in the opening post
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I really like The Worst's posts on page 8. I see where RE is coming from on the point regarding Cantrip's response in 359 (the skepticism makes sense given that it doesn't really make sense from either alignment), but The Worst's posts feel very unfiltered and forthcoming with reads/information as he comes to a given conclusion. 395 also succinctly knocks it out of the park.
I know I'm late to the party here, Killma on 360 reads like a huge fencesit. +town Vez/RE (although I don't think this is a strong enough point of interaction to tie Vez/Killma together). I guess this could be preemptive shade on Killma by Vez, and that is in scum!Vez's wheelhouse, but that's not my interpretation at this point.
One of the weaknesses with my style of play is these deadline early-Day situations. I'm too busy trying to lump people into a townpile and don't have concrete ideas of who I think is scum yet. I think that we might've been seeing a townie that was incredibly frustrated in Mikey, but I don't think the other leading suspects are worth considering at this point. Gun to head, I'd go with Killma, but I have very low confidence there.
Something along these lines (it's not much to go off of):
Dan
Cantrip
RE
Worst
RR (I think they are being productive enough)
Kpaca, Manasi need more data Tom need more time
Vez, Killma, GJ, KA (in particular KA has made no real impression on me)
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Anyhoo,
I once met RE1031. I'm going to select the first option. You should win.
I ESPECIALLY HATE TRYING TO MY KILLMA/RE W/V READ INTO A DICHOTOMY IN THE FIRST ONE, THE PALPABLE "***** I'M TOO LATE FOR FULL CRED" VIBE OF THAT SECOND POST AND HIS ACTUAL VOTE.
I'm seeing what you are seeing, but it can also come from town dan. It's not that conclusive imo.
The Senteza impression line is a total mental diaconnect for me as Killman was nothing like her, but the question at the end asking why Killman is apoligetic doesn't sound like scum theatre.
The second post also doesn't feel like a scum post and more like town trying to make sense of the game.
With that said I can't disagree that the interactions are not that good.
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From across the square, five very tall, thin gentlemen regally dressed in silks and satins, plumed hats, and buckled shoes rushed up to the car, stopped short, mopped five brows, caught five breaths, unrolled five parchments, and began talking in turn.
"By order of Azaz the Unabridged—"
"King of Dictionopolis—"
"Monarch of letters—"
"Emperor of phrases, sentences, and miscellaneous figures of speech—"
"We offer you the hospitality of our kingdom,"
"Country,"
"Nation,"
"State,"
"Commonwealth,"
"Realm,"
"Empire,"
"Palatinate,"
"Principality."
"Do all those words mean the same thing?"
"Of course."
"Certainly."
"Precisely."
"Exactly."
"Yes," they replied in order.
"Well, then, wouldn't it be simpler to use just one? It would certainly make more sense."
Yeah when I saw that delay action ITT I was a little shook. My role itself is picking a specific person and having their action delayed. Basically like a roleblock. Not sure if I can target the same person consecutively but it'd be funny to **** with someone and delay their action until the end of the game hahahaha.
@VEZ
YEAH, IT'S INCONCLUSIVE. MOSTLY STILL JUST A GUT READ. APPRECIATE THE RESPONSE I'LL TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION
@ALBERT
I'M TIRED OF DENYING YOU DERPCLEARS. THERE'S 1 SCUM LEFT, ALSO PUBLIC INFORMATION AND FRANKLY OBVIOUS ANYWAY THERE'S NOT GONNA BE 4 SCUM IN A 12ER
i'm totally going to die tonight so it's whatever, i will try to leave the best legacy for you.
Joke or not joke? Be clear.
I can understand how Dan's role is more beneficial to scum than town. Going off the assumption that I was townread day 1 and was unlikely to be targeted by town with intent to target scum - the only ones who would hurt me would be scum. In other words, Dan's choice to target me would redirect any helpful roles (doctor, etc) and given that investigatives would be unlikely to target me, he would be safe from accidentally redirecting a cop onto himself (for example). And if he was scum, the team would know not to target me with abilities. Plus, say there was a watcher and I was night killed - even if they had watched me, it would have been redirected onto Dan. As an asceticizer, he has less repercussions to making actions on a player fail, and the fact that it's public use definitely diminishes its usefulness to town (because now scum can just avoid that player). Plus Cantrip appears to have been the scum roleblocker.
Right now, I don't really know? Kpaca is hard null. The worst I don't really think is scum anymore. Dan has his early claim going for him, but that's it. Dias is confusing. I kind of want to vote Dan now, but I want to sort Dias first.
Weird question. How likely is it that Cantrip targeted me for his jail ability during the day?
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Cantrip semi-buddies Mikey
Dan to cantrip: “provide me undeniable proof you are town”
Cantrip refuses Dan; questions RE, tom, Manasi, pokes tom on being productive
Dan asks why Cantrip doesn’t want to play
Tom to cantrip: not even day 3 yet
Cantrip continuing light-touch interactions, mostly joking around it looks like. Touches with RE, mikey, me, dan, worst, kpaca, tom.
Kpaca asks cantrip about post restrictions
OH. Cantrip’s flip explains some of this. He’s asking a bunch of people questions to proc his ability. Going to track his questions.
Worst asks cantrip: are you scum
Worst presents cantrip + mikey + ??? scumteam
RE has unrelated interaction with cantrip
Cantrip: more fluff. Blank no to worst. Claims mikey top townread. Various questions to killma, mostly fluff. Shade on dan, worst, vezok. Claims townreads on mikey, RE, me; scum on dan, worst.
Killma answers to Cantrip
Tom queries re, worst, cantrip: why no dan vote
Worst describes cantrip post as busywork
Cantrip more touches, widely distributed: kpaca, worst, vezok, kill.
Manasi specifically calls out Cantrip on asking a lot of questions. Fence-sits on alignment.
ReverseRoot has cantrip in scum pile, alongside mikey, manasi, tom
Worst votes cantrip
ReverseRoot defends cantrip?
Worst explains vote as scum busywork
Tom says he hasn’t read much of cantrip but is good at reading him
Root says cantrip is scum but not for those reasons? Also, the “Or anyone else who is scum?” line is here.
Vezok calls out Root on the “anyone else” line
Tom says Cantrip doesn’t look like scum, explicitly gives no reasons
Root answers Vezok, doesn’t satisfactorily address it IMO
Cantrip claims to be demoralized. Votes Vezok.
Vezok calls out Cantrip on emotional manipulation.
Dan has a Cantrip interaction I don’t really understand: “@Cantrip remind me to respond to your question towards the worst regarding Emcee once he answers it (or once I progress far enough in reading to see his answer). In case it wasn't clear, not a dichotomy, but two separate, opposite reads.”
Cantrip claims Manasi slight scum lean; unvotes vezok; likes Root; dislikes Mikey. Chains “scum mikey -> town dan, root”.
Cantrip posts town/scum list, in order:
RE1031
Gan_Dan
Tom
The Worst
ReverseRoot (more likely town if Mikey scum)
vezokpiraka
kpaca
Killmatronix
Manasi
Kami
Mikey
Cantrip asks Root for comments on Mikey, dan
Root gives a null answer
Worst asks tom about cantrip
Worst shades cantrip
Cantrip countershades worst
Cantrip gives more questions - asks X what they think about Y in Z. Wants to hear more from Manasi, kpaca.
Worst says Cantrip scum read was exaggerated while shading Cantrip
Dan has Cantrip at top town, along with RE and Worst
Cantrip votes on Killma - this is the post that fooled me as the inflection point toward Killma’s lynch. Also directs questions at several others: worst, RE, GJ, Manasi. Vezok townread.
Worst has Cantrip in slight town lean
Cantrip questions worst T/S list
Tom has Cantrip in town reads, along with Root and RE
Vezok has Cantrip townlean.
D1 Cantrip questions: By my count, everyone in the game. No signal there.
Day 1 conclusions:
Cantrip’s bus vote on Killma was fairly significant, which indicates this game he was willing to go hard on his own scummates. He’s also “going wide” on interactions, poking a lot of people with small things. Outgoing interactions not as useful here - need to look at the other direction.
Main things that ping: ReverseRoot’s jumping in on a question addressed to Cantrip, alongside the “anyone else who is scum” weird statement; Worst and Cantrip having a continual slapfight that stays at a low simmer without either actually pushing the other hard; Tom claims to be good at reading Cantrip, has Cantrip as town throughout.
Of these, Root is the one I like least. Going to take a break; I’ll figure out who to vote after I finish D2 analysis. Probably going to be Root.
@VEZ
YEAH, IT'S INCONCLUSIVE. MOSTLY STILL JUST A GUT READ. APPRECIATE THE RESPONSE I'LL TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION
@ALBERT
I'M TIRED OF DENYING YOU DERPCLEARS. THERE'S 1 SCUM LEFT, ALSO PUBLIC INFORMATION AND FRANKLY OBVIOUS ANYWAY THERE'S NOT GONNA BE 4 SCUM IN A 12ER
@MANASI
WHO DID YOU TARGET N1?
geez man, mistakes happen, I read 4, ice been playing like there was 4, why so mad? think I'm doing on purpose? vote me, but at least stop looking at those I pointed out in my list and you're not voting like they are towny till the end of the earth (I was mainly talking about vez tho) you say I'm not scumhunting but he isn't doing that much either, look how he came to me, he had already decided I was scum and didn't even tried to sort me, explain, how is that towny?
that 3 quote post from him is horrible, how was that post towny?
pure set-up gaming, Dan's ability, there's no way it is town, it deflects protection roles... that is either a fake claim, or a scum role
kA said Kill was a scum read, (s) he had the most votes, still voted the guy that died the first night(Johnny??) if that's not a chainsaw what is it? what vez said? (real question) please!!
NOT MAD, JUST OVER IT.
I DECIDED LONG AGO THAT ID RATHER JUST IGNORE DERPCLEARS THAN TRY TO FIGURE OUT IF REAL.
LIKE, IF YOU'RE SCUM YOU'RE FAKING THEM, IF YOU'RE TOWN YOU'RE, WELL, DERPING.
CHANGES NOTHING FOR ME.
YES, VEZ HAD ALREADY DECIDED YOU WERE SCUM. VIA HIS INTERACTIONS STUFF AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING BEEN PLAYING THIS GAME FOR AWHILE.
DANS ROLE WOULD BE USEFUL FOR SCUM. ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS FORMATTED LIKE CANTRIPS (IIRC "CAN'T BE THE TARGET OF TOWN ROLES")
BUT IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO CANTRIPS ROLE, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF WHAT SCUM CAN ACCOMPLISH WITH IT, THAT I THINK THAT CANCELS OUT.
YES YES. KAMIS POSITIONING ON D1 WAGONS WAS AWFUL.
FTR, I DEFINITELY THOUGHT JOHNNY WAS SCUMMIER THAN KILLMA WHEN I VOTED KILLMA, AND NEITHER WAS AS LOW AS DAN/WORST IN MY MIND. I JUST WANTED TIED WAGONS.
SO I GOT LUCKY ON HOW I LOOKED FROM THAT. AND, TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE KAMI GOT UNLUCKY.
I'VE SAID THIS ALREADY WITHIN THE POINTS SYSTEM POST BUT I DON'T THINK I PUT IT WELL.
IF KAMI KNEW KILLMA WAS SCUM, IT WOULD LOOK TOWNIER THAN THIS.
IT'S SORT OF A TWTBAW ARGUMENT, BUT IN PARTICULAR AS A W/W INTERACTION.
YOU THINK THERE'S ANY CHANCE SCUMKAMI WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THEY COULD RUN THE TABLE WITH KILLMA?
I'M SAYING THIS AS SOMEONE THAT HAS POWERWOLFED WITH A BUDDY IN HIS FIRST EVER GAME OF MAFIA (HE GOT LYNCHED D3 WITH AN ALL TOWN WAGON, I STILL WON IN FINAL 5)
THIS AIN'T WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
IMO
Day 2 is shorter. Much shorter. Also includes overnight discussion.
Tom: GJ and Cantrip stand out as making the lynch happen.
Tom bus/town list: “DAN>RE>VEZ>WORST>GJ>CANTRIP (BUSSIEST>TOWNIEST)”
Worst says Tom + Cantrip “likely clearedish” on Killma flip
Bunch of repetition of the above - no changes in Cantrip read from tom/worst as they talk
--Day starts--
RE: “Cantrip. Wanna tell me something good? ^^”
Tom: “IF JOHNNY DIED PROTECTING SOMEONE, IT WAS CANTRIP”
RE questions this. Tom claims to have misread the role. RE votes cantrip
RE claims cantrip/worst interactions are forced
Tom backs off of Cantrip townread a bit, suggests Cantrip/Worst scumteam is viable
Dan has Cantrip as #3 in town list, below Vezok and RE. Asks RE for details on cantrip/worst interactions.
Vezok claims independent Cantrip scumread and bad interactions with ReverseRoot (now Albertino)
AlbertinoDias makes… a post? With stuff that I still only half understand, but seems to be claiming there scumread on Vezok and Cantrip? And/or Worst? Doesn’t vote.
I call out AD
AD votes Vezok. Says Tom “outed” cantrip but can’t find the post.
RE still waiting for Cantrip to check in
Cantrip with a T/S list:
Town
RE
Vezok
Dan
Tom
The Worst
Kpaca
Albertino
Kami
Manasi
Scum
Comments on several of those; most text on Dan and Manasi. Links Worst and Tom. Votes Manasi.
Grape (briefly replaces kpaca) has Cantrip with light town read, based on Killma flip
RE hard claims tracker, tracked Cantrip to GJ
Tom claims getting a chat with Cantrip. Holds back, based on Cantrip’s Killma vote and on conversation in which Cantrip asked about GJ.
Grape: says he was wrong about Cantrip Grape votes Cantrip
Cantrip denies, claims 20q-jailer vezok votes Cantrip tom votes Cantrip
Cantrip asks why only a few voting him I vote Cantrip
Dan links RE-Cantrip (obvious dichotomy) Albertino votes Cantrip - hammer
Cantrip pretends to be dying town
Some people buy it or half-buy it
Albertino doesn’t buy it
Kpaca says let’s not speed lynch cantrip (??)
Day 2 questions: RE, Dan, Manasi - I feel like I missed something here? Or maybe Cantrip just stopped trying for his role when he saw he was caught.
kpaca, Manasi stand out by absence more than anything else. Also odd that the worst never ends up voting Cantrip or really saying anything about him after RE's catch, until lynch.
But by far Albertino is the leading scumread for D2. The scumread on Cantrip without a vote and without reasoning; the lolhammer that denied us discussion and prevented Dan from doing his thing; afterward, the only one who clearly didn’t buy Cantrip’s “oh I’m dying town” thing.
On top of interaction from D1 ReverseRoot, and overall behavior. This is solid. vote AlbertinoDias
WE HAVE 3 LYNCHES TO FIND SCUM. I'M NOT GONNA SUGGEST ALBERT NOT BEING ONE OF THEM OR TOWNREAD HIM IN ANY WAY REALLY BUT I'D RATHER NOT LYNCH HIM BEFORE OUR [DOUBLE NIGHT] FOR REASONS THAT MIGHT BE OBVIOUS BUT I DON'T WANT TO SHARE JUST IN CASE.
ALL BETS OFF TOMORROW, AND IF HE'S STILL HERE WHEN WE MASS CLAIM HE'S UP FIRST FOR SURE
WE HAVE 3 LYNCHES TO FIND SCUM. I'M NOT GONNA SUGGEST ALBERT NOT BEING ONE OF THEM OR TOWNREAD HIM IN ANY WAY REALLY BUT I'D RATHER NOT LYNCH HIM BEFORE OUR [DOUBLE NIGHT] FOR REASONS THAT MIGHT BE OBVIOUS BUT I DON'T WANT TO SHARE JUST IN CASE.
ALL BETS OFF TOMORROW, AND IF HE'S STILL HERE WHEN WE MASS CLAIM HE'S UP FIRST FOR SURE
I get your point, but I want the clean sweep. No town lynches.
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THINK YOU LAYED THE BODYGUARD SOFTING A LITTLE THICK TBH.
THINK THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD BE LYNCHING DAN. IF HE IS TOWN, THERE'S STILL NOTHING I WANT THAT ROLE TO DO. AND IF HE'S TRUECLAIMING SCUM IT ENSURES HE GETS KILLS OFF.
AND FRANKLY, IF ALBERT IS SCUM HE HAS REALLY *****TY OPTIONS FOR NIGHT ACTIONS.
WOULD ALSO ACCEPT MANASI BUT I'D RATHER NO MORE CLAIMS BEFORE DOUBLE NIGHT.
HONESTLY I'M PRETTY STOKED MY GUT SCUMREAD SEEMS TO BE THE BEST MECHANICAL/GAMESOLVING LYNCH TOO.
PART OF ME THINKS I SHOULD CHECK MY CONFIRMATION BIAS. ESPECIALLY WRT MANASI CLAIM, WHICH KEEPS BUZZING THROUGH MY HEAD.
BUT I THINK DAN IS THE SMART LYNCH WITH A DECENT CHANCE OF ENDING THE GAME.
IF NOT, ALBERT PRESUMABLY GETS 2 CHANCES ON 2 NIGHT KILLS TO KILL HIMSELF IF TOWN.
HOPEFULLY OTHER PEOPLE CAN GET SOME STUFF OFF TOO.
WE'VE GOT TIME TO PLAY THE NUMBERS GAME HERE BASICALLY
i feel really weird because i'm not really in love with either of them but i kinda really like the rapport Kami and vezok have got here
like it smells like they're aligned
can't find the thing that made me really strongly townread kpaca earlygame
I think it must have been a spiritual timing/synergy type deal
i really hope he posts more
also apologies for kinda like phasing out the last few irl days, mid intense burnout but i think the break has gotten me a more vibey and ready to kick some butt!
fwiw i'm not hardtunnelled on dan and actually also think he's been getting wolfier and wolfier
his thread presence has gone from like 15% down to a solid 8% and his more recent posts have felt more void of like momentum and solvey pushing energy. it's kind of hard to make an assessment on low thread presence = wolf since it's heavily player driven but i'm definitely pinged by how little energy i'm getting from him rn
Claim does nothing for me. Still want to lynch the slot.
Sorry dias, but you replaced in s lot that has terrible connections to the two dead scum. You obviously can't defend the actions of your predecessor so that means you have to try to solve the game. All you've done are baseless accusations, going after the biggest cw and trying to hide behind a bodyguard claim.
I also don't trust the claim because 2 of my abilities are doc and bodyguard. It's a bit too defensive role heavy when you also factor Manasi's claim and the night skip.
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Claim does nothing for me. Still want to lynch the slot.
Sorry dias, but you replaced in s lot that has terrible connections to the two dead scum. You obviously can't defend the actions of your predecessor so that means you have to try to solve the game. All you've done are baseless accusations, going after the biggest cw and trying to hide behind a bodyguard claim.
I also don't trust the claim because 2 of my abilities are doc and bodyguard. It's a bit too defensive role heavy when you also factor Manasi's claim and the night skip.
I GET IT. NOT GONNA ARGUE WITH YOU ON THE LIKELIHOOD OF CLAIM BEING REAL.
BUT FROM A RISK/REWARD PERSPECTIVE, IT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT CHOICE.
That's a wicked idea. Problem with a meta dive is I'm extremely bad at meta for a MS junkie and I'd be looking for something really specific (i.e. rep in meta as town vs rep in meta as a wolf vs hopefully rep in meta as a wolf in a bad spot).
I do like my vote where it is rn. I need to revisit root's contribution as well but I really struggled forming a strong read on him.
LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.
FUN FACT: I THINK KAMIS INTERACTIONS ARE SO BAD (MILD COACHING OF KILLMA, PUSHED THE GJ COUNTERWAGON, TOWNREAD CANTRIP WITH NO POST RVS INTERACTION) THAT HE'S ACTUALLY LESS LIKELY THAT'S NOT HOW PEOPLE PLAY SCUM
@WORST
WERE I NOT A LAZY PIECE OF ***** I WOULD SKIM AN ISO OR TWO JUST TO GET A PERSONALITY BASELINE AND SEE IF HE STILL FELT SCUMMY HERE.
YMMV
So, the lynch pool is... Kpaca?
Me
RE (mechanical clear)
Vezok/Manasi (mechanical unlikelihood)
Tom/The Worst/Dias (behavioral unlikelihood)
KA (has done something)
Kpaca (has not done something)
Guess I'll take the unknown quantity. I'll fencesit and say I'm not committed to this vote, but it seems like a reasonable place to start. Also, I'm going to make Vezok fancy unless someone has a serious complaint.
Vote: Kpaca
I'm going to do another interaction analysis but work is busier today so it will probably take longer.
LIKE, NEITHER VEZOK OR MANASI IS MECHANICALLY CLEAR. VEZ I THINK IS TOWN BUT HIS ROLE DOES NOTHING FOR ME. MANASI BARELY CLAIMED AND ALSO... IVE BEEN ASSUMING THE ORIGINAL DELAY OF NIGHT ACTIONS WAS SCUM CONTROLLED AND MANASI SOFTING A SIMILAR ROLE?
FEEL LIKE I'M THE ONLY REAL MECHANICAL CLEAR...
ALBERTINO HASN'T DONE MUCH OF ANYTHING AND I FOUND WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AS CLEARING ALMOST COMPLETELY NAI. KAMI HAS DONE SOMETHING BUT NONE OF IT HAS BEEN ACTIVELY TOWNIE.
THIS WHOLE POST JUST LOOKS MADE UP TO ME
ETC
B) MINE WAS DELAYED
C) THERE WASN'T A KILL
SO YES
I think you should claim.
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WOULD PROBABLY BE IN FAVOR OF A MASSCLAIM TOMORROW THOUGH
CLAIMING FOR THE LULZ IS PRETTY BAD THOUGH
NEVER QUESTIONED ALL THE DELAY DISCUSSION?
I'm not sure you understand it, but albertino is probably getting lynched today unless he claims.
That reminds me vote albertinodias
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GONNA
VOTE: DAN
THOUGH
Here you can see a beautiful chanisaw defense on cantrip right after he put him in his scum lean pile. No cantrip post in between.
This doesn't sound like cantrip is whiteknighting a townie here. Much more plausible that Cantrip is defending his buddy as best as he can.
This is coaching.
These Is what I could find under a reread. It's not conclusive, but I think it makes a ton of sense when both are scum.
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I HAVE NOT SEEN YOU DO THAT
Tom's right/I didn't take the roles of the flipped communicators into account in my haste. Slide him up to vez/Manasi.
What gave you that conclusion re: Manasi's claim, Tom?
Why do you think I'm clearing them when I explicitly made a separate category? Do you disagree with my assessment that I don't think those are likely to be town roles? Why/not?
TOM
>ROLE ON ITS OWN IS TOWN. LESS TIME TO PLAN IN SCUM CHAT, EXTRA INFO. 0.5 POINTS.
>NIGHT TALKER, ALONG WITH FLIPPED ROLES OF GJ + CANTRIP, FITS LOGICALLY 2-1 RELATED ROLES ALIGNMENT DISTRIBUTION. 1 POINT
>JAILED BY CANTRIP. 1 POINT.
RE
>TRACKER MARGINALLY MORE USEFUL TO TOWN COMPARED TO WATCHER FOR SCUM. 0.5 POINTS
>GUILTY RESULT ON CANTRIP, WHILE HE WAS IN GOOD POSITION. 2 POINTS.
DAN
>ROLE AS CLAIMED COULD EASILY BE SCUM OR TOWN. ZERO POINTS.
>INDEPENDENTLY CONFIRMED TO EXIST. .25 POINTS.
KAMI/KPACA/WORST
>UNCLAIMED. ZERO POINTS.
VEZOK
>RANDOMIZED ROLE, DON'T KNOW THE POSSIBILITIES. DOUBT I'D EVER BE ABLE TO GET ANYTHING WHILE ALIVE SINCE IF HE WAS SCUM COULD SHARE OR NOT SHARE TO HIS HEARTS CONTENT. ZERO POINTS
>THE ONLY ONE HE MENTIONED IS THE ONE THAT HAPPENED. KINDA CONVENIENT. -.5 POINTS
>INDEPENDENTLY CONFIRMED. .25 POINTS
ALBERTINO
>****ED AROUND WITH CLAIMING DOC, DIDN'T. -.25 POINTS
MANASI
>ROLE VAGUELY RELATED TO THREAD-WIDE AND UNCLAIMED DELAY. EITHER IN CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER ROLE OR THE CLAIMABLE PART OF A LARGER +SCUM ROLE. -.5 POINTS
SO YEAH. I DISAGREE COMPLETELY.
VEZOK I'VE GOT AS, LIKE, +1 FOR KILLMA INTERACTIONS AND +.5 FOR BEHAVIOR OR SOME *****, BUT HIS ROLE IS BARELY A CONSIDERATION.
MANASI I'D MAYBE BRING BACK UP TO ZERO FOR HER FIRST TWO DAYS BUT I'M CANCELLING THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY SHE CLAIMED TODAY. LIKE "WE SHOULD DECIDE ON TWO" INSTEAD OF FIGURING OUT WHO SHE WANTS TO [DO WHATEVER IT IS SHES NEBULOUSLY CLAIMING]
ACTUALLY THIS IS KINDA FUN
RE
+1 FOR KILLMA INTERACTIONS
+1 BEHAVIOR
KAMI
-1 FOR KILLMA INTERACTIONS
-1 FOR CANTRIP INTERACTIONS
+1 FOR THE ABOVE BEING JUST TOO MUCH
+.5 FOR META/SAME OLD KAMI
KPACA
-1 FOR GRAPE ENTRANCE
-.25 FOR JUST, LIKE, NOT BEING AROUND YO
ALBERTINO
.25 FOR ROOT BEING [EXTREMELY LOW CONFIDENCE] TOWNIE
-.5 FOR... ALBERTINO IN GENERAL. MIGHT BE PLAYSTYLE.
DAN
-.5 FOR KILLMA INTERACTIONS
-1 FOR GUT BECAUSE IT'S MY POINT SYSTEM AND I SAID SO
WORST
-.5 CANTRIP INTERACTIONS
-.5 KILLMA INTERACTIONS
BONUS:
TOM
+1 FOR KILLMA INTERACTIONS
-.5 FOR CANTRIP INTERACTIONS SINCE I DID GET THERE EARLY ENOUGH
TOTALS:
RE 4.5
TOM 3
VEZOK 1.25
KAMI-.5
ALBERT-.5
MANASI -.5
WORST -1
KPACA -1.25
DAN -1.25
THINK THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO MY READS FOR ME TO CALL THIS EXPERIMENT A SUCCESS
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IT'S JUST NOT BECAUSE OF YOUR [8% CLAIMED/92% UNCLAIMED, UNPROVEN EXCEPT FOR VANILLIZER WHICH IS >RANDSCUM, NOT REALLY ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE EVEN IF IT IS REAL, CANNOT BE PROVEN THAT IT'S RANDOM AT ALL YOU COULD TOTALLY BE A SCUM JACK OF ALL TRADES WITH A PRETTY SWEET FAKE CLAIM] ROLE.
AND THE FACT THAT DAN IS ESSENTIALLY REDUCING HIS READ ON YOU (AND MANASI) TO "WELL THEY PARTIALLY CLAIMED IN A ROLE MADNESS MINI SO THEY MUST BE TOWN" JUST SCREAMS "SCUM THAT KNOWS YOU'RE BOTH TOWN" TO ME
I need to reread dan someday. Can you point out what interactions make you think dan is scum? I haven't really seen him interact with the two scum.
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The Senteza impression line is a total mental diaconnect for me as Killman was nothing like her, but the question at the end asking why Killman is apoligetic doesn't sound like scum theatre.
The second post also doesn't feel like a scum post and more like town trying to make sense of the game.
With that said I can't disagree that the interactions are not that good.
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wolf in {Vez, Dan, Dias} imo
Tom you seem to have this figured out what do you need from me?
ganderin_dan (1) - tomsloger
kpaca (1) - ganderin_dan
vezokpiraka (1) - AlbertinoDias
Not voting: KamikazeArchon, kpaca, Manasi, RE1031
Day 3 Lynch Deadline will be Saturday, October 13th, at 2359 MST. There will be a Twilight period (No voting) of ??? hours to account for the host having a life outside of Mafia.
With 9 players, it takes 5 to lynch.
ganderin_dan is V/LA through Sunday.
YEAH, IT'S INCONCLUSIVE. MOSTLY STILL JUST A GUT READ. APPRECIATE THE RESPONSE I'LL TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION
@ALBERT
I'M TIRED OF DENYING YOU DERPCLEARS. THERE'S 1 SCUM LEFT, ALSO PUBLIC INFORMATION AND FRANKLY OBVIOUS ANYWAY THERE'S NOT GONNA BE 4 SCUM IN A 12ER
@MANASI
WHO DID YOU TARGET N1?
I can understand how Dan's role is more beneficial to scum than town. Going off the assumption that I was townread day 1 and was unlikely to be targeted by town with intent to target scum - the only ones who would hurt me would be scum. In other words, Dan's choice to target me would redirect any helpful roles (doctor, etc) and given that investigatives would be unlikely to target me, he would be safe from accidentally redirecting a cop onto himself (for example). And if he was scum, the team would know not to target me with abilities. Plus, say there was a watcher and I was night killed - even if they had watched me, it would have been redirected onto Dan. As an asceticizer, he has less repercussions to making actions on a player fail, and the fact that it's public use definitely diminishes its usefulness to town (because now scum can just avoid that player). Plus Cantrip appears to have been the scum roleblocker.
Right now, I don't really know? Kpaca is hard null. The worst I don't really think is scum anymore. Dan has his early claim going for him, but that's it. Dias is confusing. I kind of want to vote Dan now, but I want to sort Dias first.
Weird question. How likely is it that Cantrip targeted me for his jail ability during the day?
Cantrip semi-buddies Mikey
Dan to cantrip: “provide me undeniable proof you are town”
Cantrip refuses Dan; questions RE, tom, Manasi, pokes tom on being productive
Dan asks why Cantrip doesn’t want to play
Tom to cantrip: not even day 3 yet
Cantrip continuing light-touch interactions, mostly joking around it looks like. Touches with RE, mikey, me, dan, worst, kpaca, tom.
Kpaca asks cantrip about post restrictions
OH. Cantrip’s flip explains some of this. He’s asking a bunch of people questions to proc his ability. Going to track his questions.
Worst asks cantrip: are you scum
Worst presents cantrip + mikey + ??? scumteam
RE has unrelated interaction with cantrip
Cantrip: more fluff. Blank no to worst. Claims mikey top townread. Various questions to killma, mostly fluff. Shade on dan, worst, vezok. Claims townreads on mikey, RE, me; scum on dan, worst.
Killma answers to Cantrip
Tom queries re, worst, cantrip: why no dan vote
Worst describes cantrip post as busywork
Cantrip more touches, widely distributed: kpaca, worst, vezok, kill.
Manasi specifically calls out Cantrip on asking a lot of questions. Fence-sits on alignment.
ReverseRoot has cantrip in scum pile, alongside mikey, manasi, tom
Worst votes cantrip
ReverseRoot defends cantrip?
Worst explains vote as scum busywork
Tom says he hasn’t read much of cantrip but is good at reading him
Root says cantrip is scum but not for those reasons? Also, the “Or anyone else who is scum?” line is here.
Vezok calls out Root on the “anyone else” line
Tom says Cantrip doesn’t look like scum, explicitly gives no reasons
Root answers Vezok, doesn’t satisfactorily address it IMO
Cantrip claims to be demoralized. Votes Vezok.
Vezok calls out Cantrip on emotional manipulation.
Dan has a Cantrip interaction I don’t really understand: “@Cantrip remind me to respond to your question towards the worst regarding Emcee once he answers it (or once I progress far enough in reading to see his answer). In case it wasn't clear, not a dichotomy, but two separate, opposite reads.”
Cantrip claims Manasi slight scum lean; unvotes vezok; likes Root; dislikes Mikey. Chains “scum mikey -> town dan, root”.
Cantrip posts town/scum list, in order:
RE1031
Gan_Dan
Tom
The Worst
ReverseRoot (more likely town if Mikey scum)
vezokpiraka
kpaca
Killmatronix
Manasi
Kami
Mikey
Cantrip asks Root for comments on Mikey, dan
Root gives a null answer
Worst asks tom about cantrip
Worst shades cantrip
Cantrip countershades worst
Cantrip gives more questions - asks X what they think about Y in Z. Wants to hear more from Manasi, kpaca.
Worst says Cantrip scum read was exaggerated while shading Cantrip
Dan has Cantrip at top town, along with RE and Worst
Cantrip votes on Killma - this is the post that fooled me as the inflection point toward Killma’s lynch. Also directs questions at several others: worst, RE, GJ, Manasi. Vezok townread.
Worst has Cantrip in slight town lean
Cantrip questions worst T/S list
Tom has Cantrip in town reads, along with Root and RE
Vezok has Cantrip townlean.
D1 Cantrip questions: By my count, everyone in the game. No signal there.
Day 1 conclusions:
Cantrip’s bus vote on Killma was fairly significant, which indicates this game he was willing to go hard on his own scummates. He’s also “going wide” on interactions, poking a lot of people with small things. Outgoing interactions not as useful here - need to look at the other direction.
Main things that ping: ReverseRoot’s jumping in on a question addressed to Cantrip, alongside the “anyone else who is scum” weird statement; Worst and Cantrip having a continual slapfight that stays at a low simmer without either actually pushing the other hard; Tom claims to be good at reading Cantrip, has Cantrip as town throughout.
Of these, Root is the one I like least. Going to take a break; I’ll figure out who to vote after I finish D2 analysis. Probably going to be Root.
Also I just think it's a great mafia post. Put it on mafia 101, how to properly post meaningful analysis.
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I DECIDED LONG AGO THAT ID RATHER JUST IGNORE DERPCLEARS THAN TRY TO FIGURE OUT IF REAL.
LIKE, IF YOU'RE SCUM YOU'RE FAKING THEM, IF YOU'RE TOWN YOU'RE, WELL, DERPING.
CHANGES NOTHING FOR ME.
YES, VEZ HAD ALREADY DECIDED YOU WERE SCUM. VIA HIS INTERACTIONS STUFF AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING BEEN PLAYING THIS GAME FOR AWHILE.
DANS ROLE WOULD BE USEFUL FOR SCUM. ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS FORMATTED LIKE CANTRIPS (IIRC "CAN'T BE THE TARGET OF TOWN ROLES")
BUT IT'S CLOSE ENOUGH TO CANTRIPS ROLE, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF WHAT SCUM CAN ACCOMPLISH WITH IT, THAT I THINK THAT CANCELS OUT.
YES YES. KAMIS POSITIONING ON D1 WAGONS WAS AWFUL.
FTR, I DEFINITELY THOUGHT JOHNNY WAS SCUMMIER THAN KILLMA WHEN I VOTED KILLMA, AND NEITHER WAS AS LOW AS DAN/WORST IN MY MIND. I JUST WANTED TIED WAGONS.
SO I GOT LUCKY ON HOW I LOOKED FROM THAT. AND, TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE KAMI GOT UNLUCKY.
I'VE SAID THIS ALREADY WITHIN THE POINTS SYSTEM POST BUT I DON'T THINK I PUT IT WELL.
IF KAMI KNEW KILLMA WAS SCUM, IT WOULD LOOK TOWNIER THAN THIS.
IT'S SORT OF A TWTBAW ARGUMENT, BUT IN PARTICULAR AS A W/W INTERACTION.
YOU THINK THERE'S ANY CHANCE SCUMKAMI WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THEY COULD RUN THE TABLE WITH KILLMA?
I'M SAYING THIS AS SOMEONE THAT HAS POWERWOLFED WITH A BUDDY IN HIS FIRST EVER GAME OF MAFIA (HE GOT LYNCHED D3 WITH AN ALL TOWN WAGON, I STILL WON IN FINAL 5)
THIS AIN'T WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
IMO
HE IS RIGHT THOUGH THIS IS SUPER WEIRD.
NO IDEA IF IT'S SCUMMY BUT... WEIRD.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THE ROOT/ALBERT SLOT
Day 2 is shorter. Much shorter. Also includes overnight discussion.
Tom: GJ and Cantrip stand out as making the lynch happen.
Tom bus/town list: “DAN>RE>VEZ>WORST>GJ>CANTRIP (BUSSIEST>TOWNIEST)”
Worst says Tom + Cantrip “likely clearedish” on Killma flip
Bunch of repetition of the above - no changes in Cantrip read from tom/worst as they talk
--Day starts--
RE: “Cantrip. Wanna tell me something good? ^^”
Tom: “IF JOHNNY DIED PROTECTING SOMEONE, IT WAS CANTRIP”
RE questions this. Tom claims to have misread the role.
RE votes cantrip
RE claims cantrip/worst interactions are forced
Tom backs off of Cantrip townread a bit, suggests Cantrip/Worst scumteam is viable
Dan has Cantrip as #3 in town list, below Vezok and RE. Asks RE for details on cantrip/worst interactions.
Vezok claims independent Cantrip scumread and bad interactions with ReverseRoot (now Albertino)
AlbertinoDias makes… a post? With stuff that I still only half understand, but seems to be claiming there scumread on Vezok and Cantrip? And/or Worst? Doesn’t vote.
I call out AD
AD votes Vezok. Says Tom “outed” cantrip but can’t find the post.
RE still waiting for Cantrip to check in
Cantrip with a T/S list:
Town
RE
Vezok
Dan
Tom
The Worst
Kpaca
Albertino
Kami
Manasi
Scum
Comments on several of those; most text on Dan and Manasi. Links Worst and Tom. Votes Manasi.
Grape (briefly replaces kpaca) has Cantrip with light town read, based on Killma flip
RE hard claims tracker, tracked Cantrip to GJ
Tom claims getting a chat with Cantrip. Holds back, based on Cantrip’s Killma vote and on conversation in which Cantrip asked about GJ.
Grape: says he was wrong about Cantrip
Grape votes Cantrip
Cantrip denies, claims 20q-jailer
vezok votes Cantrip
tom votes Cantrip
Cantrip asks why only a few voting him
I vote Cantrip
Dan links RE-Cantrip (obvious dichotomy)
Albertino votes Cantrip - hammer
Cantrip pretends to be dying town
Some people buy it or half-buy it
Albertino doesn’t buy it
Kpaca says let’s not speed lynch cantrip (??)
Day 2 questions: RE, Dan, Manasi - I feel like I missed something here? Or maybe Cantrip just stopped trying for his role when he saw he was caught.
kpaca, Manasi stand out by absence more than anything else. Also odd that the worst never ends up voting Cantrip or really saying anything about him after RE's catch, until lynch.
But by far Albertino is the leading scumread for D2. The scumread on Cantrip without a vote and without reasoning; the lolhammer that denied us discussion and prevented Dan from doing his thing; afterward, the only one who clearly didn’t buy Cantrip’s “oh I’m dying town” thing.
On top of interaction from D1 ReverseRoot, and overall behavior. This is solid.
vote AlbertinoDias
L-2 by my count.
ALL BETS OFF TOMORROW, AND IF HE'S STILL HERE WHEN WE MASS CLAIM HE'S UP FIRST FOR SURE
I get your point, but I want the clean sweep. No town lynches.
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QUE SERA SERA
THINK THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD BE LYNCHING DAN. IF HE IS TOWN, THERE'S STILL NOTHING I WANT THAT ROLE TO DO. AND IF HE'S TRUECLAIMING SCUM IT ENSURES HE GETS KILLS OFF.
AND FRANKLY, IF ALBERT IS SCUM HE HAS REALLY *****TY OPTIONS FOR NIGHT ACTIONS.
WOULD ALSO ACCEPT MANASI BUT I'D RATHER NO MORE CLAIMS BEFORE DOUBLE NIGHT.
HONESTLY I'M PRETTY STOKED MY GUT SCUMREAD SEEMS TO BE THE BEST MECHANICAL/GAMESOLVING LYNCH TOO.
PART OF ME THINKS I SHOULD CHECK MY CONFIRMATION BIAS. ESPECIALLY WRT MANASI CLAIM, WHICH KEEPS BUZZING THROUGH MY HEAD.
BUT I THINK DAN IS THE SMART LYNCH WITH A DECENT CHANCE OF ENDING THE GAME.
IF NOT, ALBERT PRESUMABLY GETS 2 CHANCES ON 2 NIGHT KILLS TO KILL HIMSELF IF TOWN.
HOPEFULLY OTHER PEOPLE CAN GET SOME STUFF OFF TOO.
WE'VE GOT TIME TO PLAY THE NUMBERS GAME HERE BASICALLY
NO IDEA IF IT CHANGES NUMBERS BUT
CAN'T GET LYNCHED IF YOU'RE DEAD OR WHATEVER.
ANYWAY IF YOU'RE TOWN VOTE DAN WITH ME. VEZOK NOT HAPPENING.
i'm officially giving up
i can't work out how to correctly stalk albertinodias on his homesite
albertinodias could you link me to some recent town/scum games? just at random pls
like it smells like they're aligned
can't find the thing that made me really strongly townread kpaca earlygame
I think it must have been a spiritual timing/synergy type deal
i really hope he posts more
also apologies for kinda like phasing out the last few irl days, mid intense burnout but i think the break has gotten me a more vibey and ready to kick some butt!
his thread presence has gone from like 15% down to a solid 8% and his more recent posts have felt more void of like momentum and solvey pushing energy. it's kind of hard to make an assessment on low thread presence = wolf since it's heavily player driven but i'm definitely pinged by how little energy i'm getting from him rn
(probably yellow but ye)
!!!!
Sorry dias, but you replaced in s lot that has terrible connections to the two dead scum. You obviously can't defend the actions of your predecessor so that means you have to try to solve the game. All you've done are baseless accusations, going after the biggest cw and trying to hide behind a bodyguard claim.
I also don't trust the claim because 2 of my abilities are doc and bodyguard. It's a bit too defensive role heavy when you also factor Manasi's claim and the night skip.
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BUT FROM A RISK/REWARD PERSPECTIVE, IT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT CHOICE.
I haven't used it yet.
Oops.