honestly Iso wasnt even paying attention when he voted RE, and neither was anyone else
because before Iso voted RE she was at L1, and then Slave unvoted making her L2, and then Iso voted again, and made her L2? see how it didnt change? because this dude has been sitting on his RVS vote all game, and couldnt even remember that
Look again, I didn't say he was. I just don't think it's as effective a use of our only night actions to go after a lurker.
There is a weird implication here that you disapprove of me "clearing" Rumanshi, even though others have and you are on the fence yourself. Why would that be?
I mean, I guess that was just a misreading on your part. Shattiel included "lynch" there too.
I do disapprove. In general terms, Riku's behavior is scummy. He's lurking. He's not pushing. He's given, one read? On Wisp? However, meta would have it that this isn't new for him? Thing is, I don't think what he's said so far is beyond the range of what can be faked.
Apparently I did miss the word "lynch" there.
This is much stronger language than you used against him in the post I was responding to. What changed since then?
My perspective on Riku hasn't changed, but I do think he's getting a pass. It makes me wonder if he's scum riding on old meta or coasting under the several townreads on him or if there's someone with TMI dismissing him.
I did also say "general terms." It's not so much strong language as it is the truth. Unfortunately it doesn't make Riku automatically scum, due to meta mostly.
(I also kind of disagree. I think Riku is a good candidate to be vigged.)
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Oh yeah. Iso is at L-1. Me, Shattiel, and Slave are voting him.
@Iso
Claim?
how the tables have turned lol...
and I wouldnt say Riku is without a doubt cleared, its just hard for me to push him for his bad behavior, especially in a game where we are in lylo day 2 if we mislynch, like I wouldnt be totally against him being checked night 1 for this reason
like its more like I dont really think hes town, but I have no hard reason to believe he is scum as of yet
well if eveyone agree then
Vig shoot RE if Iso flips town or vice versa
And Gunsmith check slave
So that the vig and gunsmith dont end up targetting the same person
Vig shouldn't shoot me at night. Put me in the front lines of a lynch tomorrow should it come to it, but I should not be shot.
Also, I have a theory on 013blivion depending on what Iso claims.
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Oh yeah. Iso is at L-1. Me, Shattiel, and Slave are voting him.
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Claim?
how the tables have turned lol...
and I wouldnt say Riku is without a doubt cleared, its just hard for me to push him for his bad behavior, especially in a game where we are in lylo day 2 if we mislynch, like I wouldnt be totally against him being checked night 1 for this reason
like its more like I dont really think hes town, but I have no hard reason to believe he is scum as of yet
Do you have a hard reason to believe I am scum?
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Oh yeah. Iso is at L-1. Me, Shattiel, and Slave are voting him.
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Claim?
how the tables have turned lol...
and I wouldnt say Riku is without a doubt cleared, its just hard for me to push him for his bad behavior, especially in a game where we are in lylo day 2 if we mislynch, like I wouldnt be totally against him being checked night 1 for this reason
like its more like I dont really think hes town, but I have no hard reason to believe he is scum as of yet
lol im not afraid to hammer... ill gladly hammer iso if he doesnt claim
@RE
still think ur case on me earlierwas garbage and just to get me mislynched
and at some points it felt like you were just flooding the thread to look like you were providing content to look town
also @Iso im a firm belever tha players that push cases like yours as well as bezos case on RE are scum because the case is straight bs,
@RE
still think ur case on me earlierwas garbage and just to get me mislynched
and at some points it felt like you were just flooding the thread to look like you were providing content to look town
That's a pretty strong reason to scumread me, tbh. I don't entirely blame you for seeing it that way if you are town because it was based on feeling and nothing more concrete, but it was a real feeling.
As for flooding the thread, sometimes I read things too quickly and miss things I want to respond to
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lol im not afraid to hammer... ill gladly hammer iso if he doesnt claim
I want to prepare for the worst if he flips town, so I don't want a hammer to catch us off guard. Like say he claims vanilla. Don't hammer until everyone checks in.
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lol im not afraid to hammer... ill gladly hammer iso if he doesnt claim
@RE
still think ur case on me earlierwas garbage and just to get me mislynched
and at some points it felt like you were just flooding the thread to look like you were providing content to look town
also @Iso im a firm belever tha players that push cases like yours as well as bezos case on RE are scum because the case is straight bs,
So both Bezos and I are scum?
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Oh right, one issue I wanted to bring up with Oblivion: You actually believed the Vig claim that was rescinded? Because I don't agree with that view.
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As I said, I'll re-read and post content tomorrow since I'm taking today off, but I decided to poke my head in the thread, so I'll claim:
I'm VT. I'm 12 years old, hear gunshots approaching, am cowering in my bed, and am snuggled up to a copy of Chosen of Markov.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Do you think you can make the effort to clarify some of the behavioral evidence I've asked you about RE, because I might consider getting behind this based on her last few posts.
Explain this? I already explained why I quoted Iso's earlier vote, what else are seeing?
Also, read list + why?
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For safety. Because Iso is right in saying his way of playing makes him the lynch, and not just when he's up against me.
Also, I need to know what 013livion is doing.
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Apparently I did miss the word "lynch" there.
This is much stronger language than you used against him in the post I was responding to. What changed since then?
My perspective on Riku hasn't changed, but I do think he's getting a pass. It makes me wonder if he's scum riding on old meta or coasting under the several townreads on him or if there's someone with TMI dismissing him.
I did also say "general terms." It's not so much strong language as it is the truth. Unfortunately it doesn't make Riku automatically scum, due to meta mostly.
(I also kind of disagree. I think Riku is a good candidate to be vigged.)
well if eveyone agree then
Vig shoot RE if Iso flips town or vice versa
And Gunsmith check slave
So that the vig and gunsmith dont end up targetting the same person
Vig shouldn't shoot me at night. Put me in the front lines of a lynch tomorrow should it come to it, but I should not be shot.
Also, I have a theory on 013blivion depending on what Iso claims.
Don't get ahead of yourself, you are on the front lines of being lynched today
No, your other plan was better. This thing between Iso/RE needs to be resolved before Day 2 or we're going to be back in this spot, and indecision isn't going to get us anywhere at that point.
I also don't think that Rumanshi or I are very good vig targets
Oh right, one issue I wanted to bring up with Oblivion: You actually believed the Vig claim that was rescinded? Because I don't agree with that view.
Was it taken back? I must have missed that, I recall asking if it was legit and not getting a straight answer. Didn't see any reason to believe or not believe, and decided it would be better to drop it.
Strange way to phrase that statement, not sure I follow. But if you're speculating on who it is I would rather you and everyone else keep it to themselves for now (unless forced to claim, obviously).
Do you think you can make the effort to clarify some of the behavioral evidence I've asked you about RE, because I might consider getting behind this based on her last few posts.
Explain this? I already explained why I quoted Iso's earlier vote, what else are seeing?
One of us is very confused here.
If it's me, I have no idea what you are asking. Please clarify.
Just in case it's you, I was asking Iso to provide posts of yours in support of his reads on you, not asking you to explain anything.
Your recent posts are rubbing me the wrong way, you now seem more interested in self preservation than scumhunting and unwilling to commit to your reads. If we're deciding between you and Iso, I think I would rather lynch you and have Iso vigged.
RE= see above
Iso= I think I've made my feeling known
Slave= posting better content, issues I had may be tonal/NAI
Rumanshi= nonexistant
Lastwhisper= doesn't look like they know what they're doing, but seems sincere enough
Shattiel= been obvtown
O13livion= it's me
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Keep smokin and my face numb, windows down, smokin loud, like ***** say somethin
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
I've solved my fair share of games
And why did you even feel the need to shade me?
I didn't say that, I meant inexperienced/indecisive. I called you town, no offense intended
Your posts are highly inconsistent, but not in a way that seems manipulative.
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smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
@013livion
What about my recent posts did you dislike? Is my question, because you found something I said earlier suspicious, but I pointed out the missing context which 100% explains it. So I don't know what you're referring to by "I might consider getting behind this based on her last few posts," which implies you saw something new.
I'm only asking not to be vigged. By all means, put me at L-1 again. I dare you.
Iso's play is so anti-town that it's hard for me to see him as town. But I can't imagine how he plans on surviving tonight and tomorrow if he intended to lynch me today, and it came pretty close. Unless he was hoping to gaslight everyone into following his reads, but vig almost always shoots him in the night knowing I am town. My issue now is, you jumping on the possibility of lynching someone you previously townread is also pretty damn scummy, especially when you had no idea what Iso was on about with his case on me. The moment you decided to turn on me was when it pinged me. The progression was off.
I have no solid read on Rumanshi. Without more posts from him, there is no way I can have one. I want to drag this as long as possible so he is actually forced to post.
@everyone
Is it agreed that the thing between me and Iso should be settled before day 2? I almost feel sick to label it as that when Iso is almost throwing the game by behaving in this manner, if he is town. If majority answer to this is "yes," I have something up my sleeve.
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Indeed, this is troublesome. Iso coming in hot like that isn't surprising in the teast. It does remind me of the scum Iso where he tries to push town into believing his agenda. However, I am fairly sure that he does have the same feeling as town iso. It's also the baiting ending which irks me. Always has. It just feels unnecessary and abrasive.
I just do not see the RE!scum argument. RE has been looking for answers, asking questions and I have not seen him direct the narrative. The claim that he is feels wrong.
Wisp is almost certainly town in my eyes. Nothing he has done would support an accusation of a scum mindset.
These are the three major things currently on my mind.
@Re: In regards to your question directed at everyone: Yes. i dont buy the narrative of you being scum but is important to clear it up as we only have this day, the night and day 2 to solve. It is better to get information early then to delay it early on.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
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What about my recent posts did you dislike? Is my question, because you found something I said earlier suspicious, but I pointed out the missing context which 100% explains it. So I don't know what you're referring to by "I might consider getting behind this based on her last few posts," which implies you saw something new.
Read my last several posts? Because I've been pointing most of them out when I see them.
I'm only asking not to be vigged. By all means, put me at L-1 again. I dare you.
Do you think that you're being subtle?
As I said, I would prefer to keep any claiming to an absolute minimum in this set-up, but if you're going to hint at it that hard you might as well just come out with it
My issue now is, you jumping on the possibility of lynching someone you previously townread is also pretty damn scummy, especially when you had no idea what Iso was on about with his case on me. The moment you decided to turn on me was when it pinged me. The progression was off.
You're misrepresenting what's going on. I am allowed to change my read on you if you start acting suspicious.
I know what Iso's case against you is, I just want him to provide posts from you that support those reads if he intends to convince me. I was asking him to do so before I began to suspect you because I questioned (and still do) whether those reads are sincere or manipulative. His reads on you have no correlation with mine, whether they are genuine or not, and I would be seeking clarification on them independently of what I think of you.
I said that I would chose you over Iso if forced to; I have no intention of voting for either of you until we decide as a town what we should do.
I have no solid read on Rumanshi. Without more posts from him, there is no way I can have one. I want to drag this as long as possible so he is actually forced to post.
That's the logical position, but it isn't what you've been saying, you literally called him scummy.
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Keep smokin and my face numb, windows down, smokin loud, like ***** say somethin
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Man, there were so many more efficient ways to go about this game I didn't think of
We should have decided on a player to lynch. But also vote upon a player to vig (in italics, maybe? :3). Those two should claim. Not just have a PoE and wonder whether we're gonna accidentally hit the gunsmith or not.
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That's the logical position, but it isn't what you've been saying, you literally called him scummy.
I said in general terms, his behavior is scummy. However it's consistent with his meta, so it's technically normal for him. But I refuse to read him off meta when what he has said so far can just as easily be said by scum.
Is that what you had an issue with? Like you accused me of being unwilling to commit to my reads. I'm saying I don't have a read on Riku.
Dude, if all goes wrong, blame Iso. Like it's really all his fault.
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That's the logical position, but it isn't what you've been saying, you literally called him scummy.
I said in general terms, his behavior is scummy. However it's consistent with his meta, so it's technically normal for him. But I refuse to read him off meta when what he has said so far can just as easily be said by scum.
Is that what you had an issue with? Like you accused me of being unwilling to commit to my reads. I'm saying I don't have a read on Riku.
No, literally saying "I do not have a read on Rumanshi" would be saying that, but it isn't what you have been saying. You have been intentionally sitting right on the fence, and calling his actions scummy, then dismissing it as meta, but only maybe. You know what else is seen as "generally" scummy? Fence sitting
So what is your town motivation for doing that multiple times, even when asked about it (even in this post where you're trying to convince me that isn't what you're doing ), instead of just stating that you have no read due to his inactivity and leaving it at that?
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smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
@everyone
Is it agreed that the thing between me and Iso should be settled before day 2? I almost feel sick to label it as that when Iso is almost throwing the game by behaving in this manner, if he is town. If majority answer to this is "yes," I have something up my sleeve.
Because if he had been more rational with his read on me, there would be no "we have to settle Iso and RE before day 2" stuff. I need a yes or no before I share my plan.
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No, literally saying "I do not have a read on Rumanshi" would be saying that, but it isn't what you have been saying. You have been intentionally sitting right on the fence, and calling his actions scummy, then dismissing it as meta, but only maybe. You know what else is seen as "generally" scummy? Fence sitting
So what is your town motivation for doing that multiple times, even when asked about it (even in this post where you're trying to convince me that isn't what you're doing ), instead of just stating that you have no read due to his inactivity and leaving it at that?
There is somewhat a general consensus of a PoE without him, and I hate that. Because he's done the bare minimum. He could be town. But with what he's said so far, that's not a read I am anywhere near comfortable with. There were times when I thought Iso was scum, or Slave was scum, or you were scum (actually pretty much have considered everyone as scum at one point, lol). Everyone has reason to be scum at this point, but I've also seen reason for everyone to be town. But there's a big blank slate where Riku is. That's not okay.
Everyone's been a degree of fence sitty this game. It's called not having enough evidence. What's scummy about being fence sitty is when you do nothing about having a lack of a read on someone.
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Apparently I did miss the word "lynch" there.
This is much stronger language than you used against him in the post I was responding to. What changed since then?
My perspective on Riku hasn't changed, but I do think he's getting a pass. It makes me wonder if he's scum riding on old meta or coasting under the several townreads on him or if there's someone with TMI dismissing him.
I did also say "general terms." It's not so much strong language as it is the truth. Unfortunately it doesn't make Riku automatically scum, due to meta mostly.
(I also kind of disagree. I think Riku is a good candidate to be vigged.)
You know what else is seen as "generally" scummy? Fence sitting
So what is your town motivation for doing that multiple times, even when asked about it (even in this post where you're trying to convince me that isn't what you're doing ), instead of just stating that you have no read due to his inactivity and leaving it at that?
This feels crafted. Declaring one's own content a virtue and then employing that postulate to accuse someone of not being virtuous.
Indeed, this is troublesome. Iso coming in hot like that isn't surprising in the teast. It does remind me of the scum Iso where he tries to push town into believing his agenda. However, I am fairly sure that he does have the same feeling as town iso. It's also the baiting ending which irks me. Always has. It just feels unnecessary and abrasive.
You have a scum!Iso game where he played similarly to here? "same feeling as town iso" - can you be more specific?
@Shattiel
Did you ever get to that meta dive?
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Indeed, this is troublesome. Iso coming in hot like that isn't surprising in the teast. It does remind me of the scum Iso where he tries to push town into believing his agenda. However, I am fairly sure that he does have the same feeling as town iso. It's also the baiting ending which irks me. Always has. It just feels unnecessary and abrasive.
You have a scum!Iso game where he played similarly to here? "same feeling as town iso" - can you be more specific?
Because if he had been more rational with his read on me, there would be no "we have to settle Iso and RE before day 2" stuff. I need a yes or no before I share my plan.
yes we already got a claim re we can't just okay and move on to another til we hit a pr claim..
Tbh I'm more worried about wisp being scum cause I listed him out of my poe but something tells me he's town so I'm just gonna bet on it being right.
Rumanshi - If his scum meta is really just lurking then I believe this is his town game he's not giving much thoughts but it's not really wrong or forced either I can see that he's thinking at least
Slave - I think I got a grasp of her play she just hands over her reads without any attempt to sugar coat it or to look towny plus I know how a lady thinks >.<
Rumanshi - If his scum meta is really just lurking then I believe this is his town game he's not giving much thoughts but it's not really wrong or forced either I can see that he's thinking at least
I skimmed his iso in the token mafia game Wisp linked. There are a few similarities, although I didn't keep track of how frequently he posted. He needs to push people. Only townreading means little backlash.
I still need Slave and Wisp to confirm before proceeding with what I'd like to do.
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Rumanshi - If his scum meta is really just lurking then I believe this is his town game he's not giving much thoughts but it's not really wrong or forced either I can see that he's thinking at least
I skimmed his iso in the token mafia game Wisp linked. There are a few similarities, although I didn't keep track of how frequently he posted. He needs to push people. Only townreading means little backlash.
I still need Slave and Wisp to confirm before proceeding with what I'd like to do.
confirm what? Rikus meta?
Token mafia, he made like less than 10 posts, I think somewhere around there, and he was mafia
Game one of one night werewolf, he lurked even harder, flipped scum
In COD, or was it terraformers, one of them, he lurked kinda, but was really confrontational, and he flipped town
In COD, or was it terraformers, one of them, he lurked kinda, but was really confrontational, and he flipped town
Exactly. I don't see confrontational here. Maybe the circumstances haven't presented themselves, but we have no way of knowing that if he doesn't post more and interact with others.
Read my posts? There's something I want you to confirm.
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In COD, or was it terraformers, one of them, he lurked kinda, but was really confrontational, and he flipped town
Exactly. I don't see confrontational here. Maybe the circumstances haven't presented themselves, but we have no way of knowing that if he doesn't post more and interact with others.
Read my posts? There's something I want you to confirm.
confirm what? the Iso/RE dichotomy? I would almost always vote Iso in this situation, but id rather still vote Slaves...
@Wisp
I'm asking cause a lot people seem to support the idea that Iso and me have to be dealt with. And I kind of agree. I already have majority agreeing, but I just don't want to take responsibility for what comes next o3o
@Shattiel @Iso @Riku
How familiar are you with Wisp's scum meta?
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because before Iso voted RE she was at L1, and then Slave unvoted making her L2, and then Iso voted again, and made her L2? see how it didnt change? because this dude has been sitting on his RVS vote all game, and couldnt even remember that
I did also say "general terms." It's not so much strong language as it is the truth. Unfortunately it doesn't make Riku automatically scum, due to meta mostly.
(I also kind of disagree. I think Riku is a good candidate to be vigged.)
@Iso
Claim?
and I wouldnt say Riku is without a doubt cleared, its just hard for me to push him for his bad behavior, especially in a game where we are in lylo day 2 if we mislynch, like I wouldnt be totally against him being checked night 1 for this reason
like its more like I dont really think hes town, but I have no hard reason to believe he is scum as of yet
Vig shoot RE if Iso flips town or vice versa
And Gunsmith check slave
So that the vig and gunsmith dont end up targetting the same person
Also, I have a theory on 013blivion depending on what Iso claims.
It can't be wisp right?
Also don't hammer. I need to reevaluate something first. I do need Iso to claim though.
@RE
still think ur case on me earlierwas garbage and just to get me mislynched
and at some points it felt like you were just flooding the thread to look like you were providing content to look town
also @Iso im a firm belever tha players that push cases like yours as well as bezos case on RE are scum because the case is straight bs,
As for flooding the thread, sometimes I read things too quickly and miss things I want to respond to
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So both Bezos and I are scum?
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As I said, I'll re-read and post content tomorrow since I'm taking today off, but I decided to poke my head in the thread, so I'll claim:
I'm VT. I'm 12 years old, hear gunshots approaching, am cowering in my bed, and am snuggled up to a copy of Chosen of Markov.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Also, read list + why?
For safety. Because Iso is right in saying his way of playing makes him the lynch, and not just when he's up against me.
Also, I need to know what 013livion is doing.
Continues being super wishy-washy about Rumanshi
Don't get ahead of yourself, you are on the front lines of being lynched today
No, your other plan was better. This thing between Iso/RE needs to be resolved before Day 2 or we're going to be back in this spot, and indecision isn't going to get us anywhere at that point.
I also don't think that Rumanshi or I are very good vig targets
Was it taken back? I must have missed that, I recall asking if it was legit and not getting a straight answer. Didn't see any reason to believe or not believe, and decided it would be better to drop it.
Strange way to phrase that statement, not sure I follow. But if you're speculating on who it is I would rather you and everyone else keep it to themselves for now (unless forced to claim, obviously).
One of us is very confused here.
If it's me, I have no idea what you are asking. Please clarify.
Just in case it's you, I was asking Iso to provide posts of yours in support of his reads on you, not asking you to explain anything.
Your recent posts are rubbing me the wrong way, you now seem more interested in self preservation than scumhunting and unwilling to commit to your reads. If we're deciding between you and Iso, I think I would rather lynch you and have Iso vigged.
RE= see above
Iso= I think I've made my feeling known
Slave= posting better content, issues I had may be tonal/NAI
Rumanshi= nonexistant
Lastwhisper= doesn't look like they know what they're doing, but seems sincere enough
Shattiel= been obvtown
O13livion= it's me
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I've solved my fair share of games
And why did you even feel the need to shade me?
I didn't say that, I meant inexperienced/indecisive. I called you town, no offense intended
Your posts are highly inconsistent, but not in a way that seems manipulative.
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
What about my recent posts did you dislike? Is my question, because you found something I said earlier suspicious, but I pointed out the missing context which 100% explains it. So I don't know what you're referring to by "I might consider getting behind this based on her last few posts," which implies you saw something new.
I'm only asking not to be vigged. By all means, put me at L-1 again. I dare you.
Iso's play is so anti-town that it's hard for me to see him as town. But I can't imagine how he plans on surviving tonight and tomorrow if he intended to lynch me today, and it came pretty close. Unless he was hoping to gaslight everyone into following his reads, but vig almost always shoots him in the night knowing I am town. My issue now is, you jumping on the possibility of lynching someone you previously townread is also pretty damn scummy, especially when you had no idea what Iso was on about with his case on me. The moment you decided to turn on me was when it pinged me. The progression was off.
I have no solid read on Rumanshi. Without more posts from him, there is no way I can have one. I want to drag this as long as possible so he is actually forced to post.
@everyone
Is it agreed that the thing between me and Iso should be settled before day 2? I almost feel sick to label it as that when Iso is almost throwing the game by behaving in this manner, if he is town. If majority answer to this is "yes," I have something up my sleeve.
Indeed, this is troublesome. Iso coming in hot like that isn't surprising in the teast. It does remind me of the scum Iso where he tries to push town into believing his agenda. However, I am fairly sure that he does have the same feeling as town iso. It's also the baiting ending which irks me. Always has. It just feels unnecessary and abrasive.
I just do not see the RE!scum argument. RE has been looking for answers, asking questions and I have not seen him direct the narrative. The claim that he is feels wrong.
Wisp is almost certainly town in my eyes. Nothing he has done would support an accusation of a scum mindset.
These are the three major things currently on my mind.
@Re: In regards to your question directed at everyone: Yes. i dont buy the narrative of you being scum but is important to clear it up as we only have this day, the night and day 2 to solve. It is better to get information early then to delay it early on.
Read my last several posts? Because I've been pointing most of them out when I see them.
Do you think that you're being subtle?
As I said, I would prefer to keep any claiming to an absolute minimum in this set-up, but if you're going to hint at it that hard you might as well just come out with it
You're misrepresenting what's going on. I am allowed to change my read on you if you start acting suspicious.
I know what Iso's case against you is, I just want him to provide posts from you that support those reads if he intends to convince me. I was asking him to do so before I began to suspect you because I questioned (and still do) whether those reads are sincere or manipulative. His reads on you have no correlation with mine, whether they are genuine or not, and I would be seeking clarification on them independently of what I think of you.
I said that I would chose you over Iso if forced to; I have no intention of voting for either of you until we decide as a town what we should do.
That's the logical position, but it isn't what you've been saying, you literally called him scummy.
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
We should have decided on a player to lynch. But also vote upon a player to vig (in italics, maybe? :3). Those two should claim. Not just have a PoE and wonder whether we're gonna accidentally hit the gunsmith or not.
Is that what you had an issue with? Like you accused me of being unwilling to commit to my reads. I'm saying I don't have a read on Riku.
Dude, if all goes wrong, blame Iso. Like it's really all his fault.
No, literally saying "I do not have a read on Rumanshi" would be saying that, but it isn't what you have been saying. You have been intentionally sitting right on the fence, and calling his actions scummy, then dismissing it as meta, but only maybe. You know what else is seen as "generally" scummy? Fence sitting
So what is your town motivation for doing that multiple times, even when asked about it (even in this post where you're trying to convince me that isn't what you're doing ), instead of just stating that you have no read due to his inactivity and leaving it at that?
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Everyone's been a degree of fence sitty this game. It's called not having enough evidence. What's scummy about being fence sitty is when you do nothing about having a lack of a read on someone.
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@Shattiel
Did you ever get to that meta dive?
Rumanshi - If his scum meta is really just lurking then I believe this is his town game he's not giving much thoughts but it's not really wrong or forced either I can see that he's thinking at least
Slave - I think I got a grasp of her play she just hands over her reads without any attempt to sugar coat it or to look towny plus I know how a lady thinks >.<
I still need Slave and Wisp to confirm before proceeding with what I'd like to do.
Token mafia, he made like less than 10 posts, I think somewhere around there, and he was mafia
Game one of one night werewolf, he lurked even harder, flipped scum
In COD, or was it terraformers, one of them, he lurked kinda, but was really confrontational, and he flipped town
That's all I got
Read my posts? There's something I want you to confirm.
I'm asking cause a lot people seem to support the idea that Iso and me have to be dealt with. And I kind of agree. I already have majority agreeing, but I just don't want to take responsibility for what comes next o3o
@Shattiel @Iso @Riku
How familiar are you with Wisp's scum meta?