2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It was literally the only thing I directed to you in this post. Did you just not bother reading it? Because that also would explain your delusion that I somehow haven't done anything this game.
so I need to look through my own posts? meh, w/e ill do it now
and I think I have a little bit more experience with RE, but for the sake of understanding where you are coming from, explain this line in more detail directly contradicts the manner in which she stated she was approaching her conversation with Bezos, which, by the way, is not a town mindset. can you show me where this happens?
also imo bezos came out of that conversation a little scummier
@RE: I didn't say that you needed to label players as scum to question or suspect them. What my issue stems from is the dissonance in the mindset of "I don't know if this person is town or not" to you leveling with Bezos in such a seemingly reasonable fashion, as though you were afraid of ruffling her feathers. I also didn't say my problem was with your phrasing - you really need to stop putting words into my mouth.
"Ruffling her feathers" - she had already voted me. I had also stated her vote was slightly opportunistic and that her method of scumhunting makes it easy to hide behind reasoning that can't really be countered as it's fairly subjective. I even said something along the lines of "kinda hoping it's just Slave, but Iso and Riku haven't posted enough."
Why is it a scum tell to approach someone reasonably? I don't need to provoke them to come to a conclusion.
Actually, you did have a problem with my phrasing.
Her rationale for a lot of posts feels overly detailed in a way that indicates the reasons are lacking substance and like she's trying to overcompensate by making it look like there's more there rather than the depth of read one might expect from a townie.
"Overly detailed." And I asked where you saw my reads lacking substance and you haven't answered that.
I'm going to try to deal with you rationally, even though you haven't done the same to me. Pretend I'm lock town. Who do you go after next?
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Can you explain what you mean by this? I have 0 issues with Bezos's quality or style of play, thus far.
I repeatedly asked Slave to state whether they agree or disagree with the post they voted me for - the one they called "rigid" and "constructed" - the one where I gave town points to 013livion and Shattiel. Instead they gave me a read on Wisp, talked about gaslighting, and still didn't answer my question. All I wanted to know was if they disagreed with my reasoning for the reads on Shattiel and 013livion and the reads themselves. 013livion has already called this out.
However, you're approaching the "misunderstanding" without even an inkling of suspicion in your tone - it's evident that you don't suspect Bezos, as you make your suspicions readily available based on your tone earlier in the game. You're being far too reasonable in your discourse with Bezos if you don't already know they're town, which is in stark contrast to your prior statement evoking the "well they could be scum" card to keep your options open.
You just read me off tone - aka how I'm phrasing things.
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In that case, she has no excuse not to have claimed at this point and should be lynched with great prejudice.
Actually, unless there were 3 people suspecting me strongly, I would not have claimed. Hence me asking Shattiel and Slave if I was their top suspect. I didn't ask you because I didn't realize your vote was serious.
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There's not so much disagreement as misunderstanding. If it's playstyle that's causing miscommunication and difference in reads rather than difference in alignment, then I want to know that.
I'm really not sure what's so difficult to grok about what's being said. Also, I find this response disingenuous, as it directly conflicts with what you said about Bezos above:
"Slave's playstyle makes it difficult to counter him if he's reading off of tone, making it easy for him as scum to excuse his reads."
Also, no conflict. You just haven't noticed the miscommunication. If I disagree with someone's read, or if their read on me is wrong, I generally look for their reasoning to see if it's justified or not. However tonal reads rarely have justification I can get behind (because they're kind of black and white and pretty subjective).
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It was literally the only thing I directed to you in this post. Did you just not bother reading it? Because that also would explain your delusion that I somehow haven't done anything this game.
so I need to look through my own posts? meh, w/e ill do it now
oh my god all you have to do is click on the hotlink, I put it right there for you
and I think I have a little bit more experience with RE, but for the sake of understanding where you are coming from, explain this line in more detail directly contradicts the manner in which she stated she was approaching her conversation with Bezos, which, by the way, is not a town mindset. can you show me where this happens?
It's riddled through her posts. Read her tone. It's extremely evident.
@RE: I didn't say that you needed to label players as scum to question or suspect them. What my issue stems from is the dissonance in the mindset of "I don't know if this person is town or not" to you leveling with Bezos in such a seemingly reasonable fashion, as though you were afraid of ruffling her feathers. I also didn't say my problem was with your phrasing - you really need to stop putting words into my mouth.
"Ruffling her feathers" - she had already voted me. I had also stated her vote was slightly opportunistic and that her method of scumhunting makes it easy to hide behind reasoning that can't really be countered as it's fairly subjective. I even said something along the lines of "kinda hoping it's just Slave, but Iso and Riku haven't posted enough."
I don't remember any of this, but this doesn't change the fact that you still tried to talk her down from the ledge rather than doubling down on the scum read. I don't remember that behavior at all from Arkham Horror, and I seem to recall townreading you very early on in that game. The fact that I'm getting these vibes from you now raises alarm bells for me. Surely that's not strange.
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Why is it a scum tell to approach someone reasonably? I don't need to provoke them to come to a conclusion.
This is strawmanning and misrepresenting what I said. What I actually said was, "It's not a town mindset to approach two people you think are scum that think you're scum in totally different ways unless you have an agenda, which is belied in your cognitive dissonance in the manner with which you approached the two of us." So again, I will ask: Stop putting words in my mouth.
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Actually, you did have a problem with my phrasing.
Her rationale for a lot of posts feels overly detailed in a way that indicates the reasons are lacking substance and like she's trying to overcompensate by making it look like there's more there rather than the depth of read one might expect from a townie.
"Overly detailed." And I asked where you saw my reads lacking substance and you haven't answered that.
Actually, it wasn't a problem with your phrasing. It was a problem with your content and mindset.
You're right, I haven't answered that yet - because I don't like rereading Mafia games until I have to. So I don't really have any intention of engaging with you on that point, since I'm reasonably certain that the game will end with your lynch.
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I'm going to try to deal with you rationally, even though you haven't done the same to me. Pretend I'm lock town. Who do you go after next?
If I were somehow able to delude myself into believing you could possibly be town, I'd probably look into Shattiel or Bezos. I feel pretty good about Oblivion, Rumanshi hasn't done anything but I expect that from our last game together, and as annoyed as I am at LW for not reading, I don't detect anything sinister about his posting.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Can you explain what you mean by this? I have 0 issues with Bezos's quality or style of play, thus far.
I repeatedly asked Slave to state whether they agree or disagree with the post they voted me for - the one they called "rigid" and "constructed" - the one where I gave town points to 013livion and Shattiel. Instead they gave me a read on Wisp, talked about gaslighting, and still didn't answer my question. All I wanted to know was if they disagreed with my reasoning for the reads on Shattiel and 013livion and the reads themselves. 013livion has already called this out.
Please read this before you make me repeat myself again:
Okay - so you're arguing repeatedly that we're "misunderstanding" your tone, but that doesn't actually address your mindset behind your posts and your cognitive dissonance and your double standard with which you are approaching Bezos and myself which are the primary issues that I take with your posts, so please stop making my argument about something that it isn't because I absolutely loathe repeating myself.
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However, you're approaching the "misunderstanding" without even an inkling of suspicion in your tone - it's evident that you don't suspect Bezos, as you make your suspicions readily available based on your tone earlier in the game. You're being far too reasonable in your discourse with Bezos if you don't already know they're town, which is in stark contrast to your prior statement evoking the "well they could be scum" card to keep your options open.
You just read me off tone - aka how I'm phrasing things.
"Tone" is the easiest way to explain the difference in mindset when addressing the differences in how you perceive and approach other players. I need you to stop doing this.
In that case, she has no excuse not to have claimed at this point and should be lynched with great prejudice.
Actually, unless there were 3 people suspecting me strongly, I would not have claimed. Hence me asking Shattiel and Slave if I was their top suspect. I didn't ask you because I didn't realize your vote was serious.
I made it abundantly clear that my vote on you was serious and anybody who doesn't think RE is scum at this point needs to read this flagrant lie from her.
There's not so much disagreement as misunderstanding. If it's playstyle that's causing miscommunication and difference in reads rather than difference in alignment, then I want to know that.
I'm really not sure what's so difficult to grok about what's being said. Also, I find this response disingenuous, as it directly conflicts with what you said about Bezos above:
"Slave's playstyle makes it difficult to counter him if he's reading off of tone, making it easy for him as scum to excuse his reads."
Also, no conflict. You just haven't noticed the miscommunication. If I disagree with someone's read, or if their read on me is wrong, I generally look for their reasoning to see if it's justified or not. However tonal reads rarely have justification I can get behind (because they're kind of black and white and pretty subjective).
Okay, so now that I've established that this is not strictly a tonal argument, you need to re-address this.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso, are you fine thunderdoming me? Hypothetically if you had a gladiator shot, would you use it on me?
I'm not saying Slave's misunderstanding my tone and I never have. I'm talking about her not actually answering my questions, but still responding to them. So she's not really avoiding me, she's just answering a different question? I've also asked her how would she know she's not reading into something NAI while reading into the tone of someone she's not played with before - because while her read on me was wrong, that didn't automatically make her scum. However I think I will have to look into motive in her case rather than trying to see if her reasoning is justified.
Right now, I'm not too sure. Her vote put me at L-1, which is too close for comfort. Her initial vote on me felt too confident in a sheep read. If she's scum, it's a safe vote on the train, and I don't think many players realized I was that close (so town could have easily hammered and taken blame for it). However, she unvoted. Despite being called out by me and 013livion for not adequately answering my questions, she didn't try to cover it up and her behavior remained consistent.
I'm also biased in thinking you, Iso, can't possibly believe everything you're saying right now. There is so much malicious intent in your posts I'm half wondering if this is how you plan on playing the entire game or if you have something up your sleeve.
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Iso, are you fine thunderdoming me? Hypothetically if you had a gladiator shot, would you use it on me?
If I were handed a gun with 2 bullets and put in a room with you, Hitler, and bin Laden, I'd shoot you twice.
I don't know what a Gladiator shot is.
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I'm not saying Slave's misunderstanding my tone and I never have. I'm talking about her not actually answering my questions, but still responding to them. So she's not really avoiding me, she's just answering a different question? I've also asked her how would she know she's not reading into something NAI while reading into the tone of someone she's not played with before - because while her read on me was wrong, that didn't automatically make her scum. However I think I will have to look into motive in her case rather than trying to see if her reasoning is justified.
This is not anything close to the conversation that any of us are having. Are you living in an alternate dimension?
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Right now, I'm not too sure. Her vote put me at L-1, which is too close for comfort. Her initial vote on me felt too confident in a sheep read. If she's scum, it's a safe vote on the train, and I don't think many players realized I was that close (so town could have easily hammered and taken blame for it). However, she unvoted. Despite being called out by me and 013livion for not adequately answering my questions, she didn't try to cover it up and her behavior remained consistent.
What does that have to do with anything?
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I'm also biased in thinking you, Iso, can't possibly believe everything you're saying right now. There is so much malicious intent in your posts I'm half wondering if this is how you plan on playing the entire game or if you have something up your sleeve.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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I'll go on a meta dive with Iso and Slave
I actually need you to explain your read on me because you haven't since you voted me for pushing Wisp with nothing, and even that I explained.
L-2 I think.
its more of a poe thing but sure you seem just aaking questions and not really that offensive I want to hear your conclusions with these questions and a read in order maybe
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I'll go on a meta dive with Iso and Slave
I actually need you to explain your read on me because you haven't since you voted me for pushing Wisp with nothing, and even that I explained.
L-2 I think.
its more of a poe thing but sure you seem just aaking questions and not really that offensive I want to hear your conclusions with these questions and a read in order maybe
I did give reads and conclusions though. Right now I would like to see more responses to Iso's gaslighting though. What do you make of it? Do you think what he's saying is a fair interpretation of what I've posted?
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I'll go on a meta dive with Iso and Slave
Why the bolded? Why wouldn't you ask me to claim first?
well ofc a claim first is needed but unless you're a pr it doesn't really matter though?
Are you implying that your claim is important enough?
You don't have to answer this one
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I actually need you to explain your read on me because you haven't since you voted me for pushing Wisp with nothing, and even that I explained.
L-2 I think.
its more of a poe thing but sure you seem just aaking questions and not really that offensive I want to hear your conclusions with these questions and a read in order maybe
I did give reads and conclusions though. Right now I would like to see more responses to Iso's gaslighting though. What do you make of it? Do you think what he's saying is a fair interpretation of what I've posted?
eh looks like he's in a stupid tunnel mode Idm which one of you gets lynch tbh
We still got one more lynch, a check and a shot thats more than enough for the two of you
my poe is good enough for a win I think
In that case, she has no excuse not to have claimed at this point and should be lynched with great prejudice.
Seriously? Why are you trying to rush this so bad? Explain to me the townie mindset behind that.
Does a claim from any of us even seem necessary? There are only 3 options and one ability has already been claimed, or are you trying to out our other one?
I dont mind being wrong, but you also arent always right, thats what being uninformed means... and we have two mislynches, not this is not the game to be being confrontational with everyone, and contrary to what you believe in your own mind, you havent done anything...
Since apparently literally everybody is ignoring my case against RE including RE, I'll do you guys a solid just this once and repeat it here:
Acts like explaining his reads and trying to convince others to vote that way through logic and rhetoric (you know, the very basis of this game ) is some onerous burden that he shouldn't be subject to.
I'm trying not to be ******** #1 in this game but boy are you guys making it difficult.
You are failing miserably and this apology doesn't seem all that sincere.
I literally have no idea how someone so egomaniacal, rude, unwelcoming, and bullying was given so much authority and respect in this community, but I find it extremely off-putting.
Please read this before you make me repeat myself again:
Okay - so you're arguing repeatedly that we're "misunderstanding" your tone, but that doesn't actually address your mindset behind your posts and your cognitive dissonance and your double standard with which you are approaching Bezos and myself which are the primary issues that I take with your posts, so please stop making my argument about something that it isn't because I absolutely loathe repeating myself.
You can repeat yourself as much as you like, it doesn't at some point start making you right. If you can't be bothered to provide some basis for why you think that then you shouldn't be surprised if people aren't bothered to buy into it.
In that case, she has no excuse not to have claimed at this point and should be lynched with great prejudice.
Actually, unless there were 3 people suspecting me strongly, I would not have claimed. Hence me asking Shattiel and Slave if I was their top suspect. I didn't ask you because I didn't realize your vote was serious.
I made it abundantly clear that my vote on you was serious and anybody who doesn't think RE is scum at this point needs to read this flagrant lie from her.
This is the first point you've made about her that I find suspect. However, it's not enough in itself to change my opinion much.
I'm also biased in thinking you, Iso, can't possibly believe everything you're saying right now. There is so much malicious intent in your posts I'm half wondering if this is how you plan on playing the entire game or if you have something up your sleeve.
I do agree with this though.
UNVOTE
Lastwhisper: looking better
Rumanshi: looking nonexistant
RE: looking a little worse
Iso: looking worse than I can safely describe, just not necessarily scummy
Everyone else looks roughly the same. Would be most interested in voting for Slave or Iso at the moment, even though I admit my problems with them may not be indicative of alignment.
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Keep smokin and my face numb, windows down, smokin loud, like ***** say somethin
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Earlier, this was where I was at:
RE
Shattiel
Wisp
013livion
Slave
Rumanshi
Iso
I kind of want to put Slave into blue/black territory (upper neutral).
Iso's play is anti-town. Period. Thing is, it's self-destructive as both alignments.
I know Wisp, Iso, and Slave have said Riku is town, but I don't think what he's said is anything he can't mimic as scum. And in a game where scum don't need to equal town, laying low is a workable strategy.
I kinda like Slave's progression on me. I actually quite like how they ended up on Iso. That shows real conviction. And when I say tonal reads tend to be unreliable - I say that from my own experience in using it and in observing others use it (I don't mean to dismiss it as a real way of scumhunting, if it produces results).
I have a tiny bit of paranoia regarding 013livion, because I think part of the townread I'm giving them is based on tone. I think I'm going to ignore it.
Forgive my crude phrasing, but Shattiel, you don't seem to care about me this game. Which worries me a little. You seemed fairly apathetic towards the idea of lynching me, and I didn't get the sense you actually scumread me.
Why the bolded? Why wouldn't you ask me to claim first?
well ofc a claim first is needed but unless you're a pr it doesn't really matter though?
Are you implying that your claim is important enough?
You don't have to answer this one [/quote]I mean, why wouldn't you want me to answer it? If you were dead set on lynching me. If not, I'll note that :nods:
I'm kind of treating this game like it's in permanent LyLo, but not quite. Like I'm pretty fine keeping my vote on Iso, cause there's no repercussion in it (yet). And I haven't found anyone more worthy of the vote yet (except Riku, kind of, it'd be a prod vote, really). And there's not a lot to be gained from VCA, cause there's only one scum and there wouldn't be any saving involved. My issue is, unless you are dead set on me being scum, if I'm your top suspect or whatever, then being at L-3 is not necessarily prime claim time. So before I claim, I want you guys to ask me to claim.
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Keep smokin and my face numb, windows down, smokin loud, like ***** say somethin
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Please read this before you make me repeat myself again:
Okay - so you're arguing repeatedly that we're "misunderstanding" your tone, but that doesn't actually address your mindset behind your posts and your cognitive dissonance and your double standard with which you are approaching Bezos and myself which are the primary issues that I take with your posts, so please stop making my argument about something that it isn't because I absolutely loathe repeating myself.
You can repeat yourself as much as you like, it doesn't at some point start making you right. If you can't be bothered to provide some basis for why you think that then you shouldn't be surprised if people aren't bothered to buy into it.
In that case, she has no excuse not to have claimed at this point and should be lynched with great prejudice.
Actually, unless there were 3 people suspecting me strongly, I would not have claimed. Hence me asking Shattiel and Slave if I was their top suspect. I didn't ask you because I didn't realize your vote was serious.
I made it abundantly clear that my vote on you was serious and anybody who doesn't think RE is scum at this point needs to read this flagrant lie from her.
This is the first point you've made about her that I find suspect. However, it's not enough in itself to change my opinion much.
This makes the above look significantly worse. That's not the vote any of us are talking about, and I don't see how you couldn't have known that.
I think you're missing the context. I said I tagged Shattiel and Slave because they voted me seriously. Iso's vote appeared more like a delayed RVS. Yet Iso said that it was abundantly clear that his vote was serious. So he was referring to this vote. He even said so:
This makes the above look significantly worse. That's not the vote any of us are talking about, and I don't see how you couldn't have known that.
I think you're missing the context. I said I tagged Shattiel and Slave because they voted me seriously. Iso's vote appeared more like a delayed RVS. Yet Iso said that it was abundantly clear that his vote was serious. So he was referring to this vote. He even said so
I see that now, which is strange because I took it to mean he was talking about the first post back from his absence
SIGH, multiquote is broken, so I'm gonna have to do all this over again. Sorry for my absence, but I don't really get on my computer on weekends except the rare bouts in the dead of night when I have an opportunity to play video games. osi knows that I don't post on weekends. Anyway, I'm here now, so you're welcome for winning the game for you.
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@RE1031: The way Night actions should be analyzed, as well as the endgame numbers? What kind of totally goddamn asinine question is this? I should just do the Shalako thing where I post memes in response to dumb questions.
@013livion_IX: I'm [pretending to be] offended that you think I'm not generating helpful reactions with my abundance of content.
@Rumanshi: Sooo does that mean you think he's scum, and if not, why aren't you trying to lynch him?
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RE is very pointedly trying to control the narrative; in particular, her interactions with Bezos looks very much like she's trying to make sure Bezos doesn't think she's scum despite their disagreements, and I don't think that's something that somebody approaching this game with a town mindset needs to be doing. Her rationale for a lot of posts feels overly detailed in a way that indicates the reasons are lacking substance and like she's trying to overcompensate by making it look like there's more there rather than the depth of read one might expect from a townie.
Anyway, this game is over, sheep me, GG, etc.
Because it makes sense, it does make you look bad if you didn't think that was a serious vote. But the pseudo-random looking vote from earlier in the game (which was still standing when he voted you the second time by the way), not so much.
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Keep smokin and my face numb, windows down, smokin loud, like ***** say somethin
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Forgive my crude phrasing, but Shattiel, you don't seem to care about me this game. Which worries me a little. You seemed fairly apathetic towards the idea of lynching me, and I didn't get the sense you actually scumread me
but I do care
Though I don't really mind which one of you and iso get's lynched first
I don't really remember any spicy takes from you yet which is how I usually find you. Looks like you're being careful in this game and doesn't really push that hard
Look again, I didn't say he was. I just don't think it's as effective a use of our only night actions to go after a lurker.
There is a weird implication here that you disapprove of me "clearing" Rumanshi, even though others have and you are on the fence yourself. Why would that be?
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Keep smokin and my face numb, windows down, smokin loud, like ***** say somethin
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Forgive my crude phrasing, but Shattiel, you don't seem to care about me this game. Which worries me a little. You seemed fairly apathetic towards the idea of lynching me, and I didn't get the sense you actually scumread me
but I do care
Though I don't really mind which one of you and iso get's lynched first
I don't really remember any spicy takes from you yet which is how I usually find you. Looks like you're being careful in this game and doesn't really push that hard
OH YOU ARE SO TOWN (i hope ;____;''')
Okay. This is actually a fair assessment of what I've done this game. I am playing carefully. I haven't pushed anyone terribly hard. There is no one I am strictly confident in being scum.
Ideally, we should be able to end the game today. PoE for safety. But be sure of someone. Statistically, our chances are a lot worse than in a normal game of hitting scum. We can't rely on interactions either. I want to be sure as possible.
I have to be up in 5 hours so I'm gonna finish my reading and get some sleep.
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@Oblivion: My playstyle gets results. Yes, I've been very blunt in my play - I only ask a few things of my Mafia cohorts, and you guys are managing to push all of my buttons in all of the wrong ways very early on. I'm a grizzled Mafia veteran who doesn't have the same passion for the game that I used to, and don't have the time or patience for the song and dance required to be everyone's best friend to get my way in the game any more. Your distaste for the way I play Mafia is clearly coloring the way you want to view the gamestate and if you're town and have any interest in winning, I'd strongly suggest you move past that. I've worked my ass off for this community for 7 years - who the hell are you to question my contributions and status when all you know is how I've played Mafia in this game? My Mafia persona is drastically different from interacting with me outside of the game as many, many people can attest to (two of which happen to be in this game). You didn't bother reading the game I linked for educational purposes to answer a question that you asked, and you wonder why I'm irritated? I'm not rushing - I'm confident, and I like winning. Yes, a claim is necessary, because RE should be lynched lest she claim an un-CCed PR. Saying that I'm treating logic and reason like a burden is disingenuous at best when I already clearly stated my case, and it got ignored (by you, no less). Throwing stones, glass houses, etc. If you think that's the first thing I've said about RE that's been indicative of her being scum, you're clearly paying less attention to the game than I am. Most of the rest of your post is very obviously influenced by your misconceptions of me, and isn't worth responding to.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Look again, I didn't say he was. I just don't think it's as effective a use of our only night actions to go after a lurker.
There is a weird implication here that you disapprove of me "clearing" Rumanshi, even though others have and you are on the fence yourself. Why would that be?
I mean, I guess that was just a misreading on your part. Shattiel included "lynch" there too.
I do disapprove. In general terms, Riku's behavior is scummy. He's lurking. He's not pushing. He's given, one read? On Wisp? However, meta would have it that this isn't new for him? Thing is, I don't think what he's said so far is beyond the range of what can be faked.
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This makes the above look significantly worse. That's not the vote any of us are talking about, and I don't see how you couldn't have known that.
I think you're missing the context. I said I tagged Shattiel and Slave because they voted me seriously. Iso's vote appeared more like a delayed RVS. Yet Iso said that it was abundantly clear that his vote was serious. So he was referring to this vote. He even said so
I see that now, which is strange because I took it to mean he was talking about the first post back from his absence
SIGH, multiquote is broken, so I'm gonna have to do all this over again. Sorry for my absence, but I don't really get on my computer on weekends except the rare bouts in the dead of night when I have an opportunity to play video games. osi knows that I don't post on weekends. Anyway, I'm here now, so you're welcome for winning the game for you.
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@RE1031: The way Night actions should be analyzed, as well as the endgame numbers? What kind of totally goddamn asinine question is this? I should just do the Shalako thing where I post memes in response to dumb questions.
@013livion_IX: I'm [pretending to be] offended that you think I'm not generating helpful reactions with my abundance of content.
@Rumanshi: Sooo does that mean you think he's scum, and if not, why aren't you trying to lynch him?
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RE is very pointedly trying to control the narrative; in particular, her interactions with Bezos looks very much like she's trying to make sure Bezos doesn't think she's scum despite their disagreements, and I don't think that's something that somebody approaching this game with a town mindset needs to be doing. Her rationale for a lot of posts feels overly detailed in a way that indicates the reasons are lacking substance and like she's trying to overcompensate by making it look like there's more there rather than the depth of read one might expect from a townie.
Anyway, this game is over, sheep me, GG, etc.
Because it makes sense, it does make you look bad if you didn't think that was a serious vote. But the pseudo-random looking vote from earlier in the game (which was still standing when he voted you the second time by the way), not so much.
Yeah, that was actually to what I was referring - I initially forgot I made those posts separately (but then decided to double down to be obnoxious about it), but yes, that's what I was talking about.
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SO I realize I've been fairly toxic this game and I am genuinely sorry. I've had my rant and I think I can take a day off of the game to take a step back, re-read, and reassess things. My apologies to anyone that's been affected by my behavior; I won't make excuses, but I do find it hard to enjoy Mafia, these days, and really need to retire in the near future. I'll try to be better about it going forward.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Iso
By default, your complete confidence in me being scum makes Riku town. Also, you agreed to a PoE without Riku. It's not gaslighting to say you've said Riku is town.
You say you're deluding yourself if you pretend I'm not scum, or something. So it's fascinating that you would even consider throwing another player into the PoE pile when it sounds like your PoE looks something like [RE, RE, RE, RE]
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When the point of no return appears, it is already behind you.
Yes, I've been very blunt in my play - I only ask a few things of my Mafia cohorts, and you guys are managing to push all of my buttons in all of the wrong ways very early on. I'm a grizzled Mafia veteran who doesn't have the same passion for the game that I used to, and don't have the time or patience for the song and dance required to be everyone's best friend to get my way in the game any more.
I don't frankly see why I should be expected to care about your personal problems, or see them as an excuse to be deliberately rude and self-centered. If you don't have time to devote to the game in order to provide adequate evidence of your reads, perhaps you should take some time off, because you clearly don't seem to be enjoying this much either.
Your distaste for the way I play Mafia is clearly coloring the way you want to view the gamestate and if you're town and have any interest in winning, I'd strongly suggest you move past that.
I have clearly stated multiple times that my feelings towards you are possibly not an indication of your alignment. That does not change the fact that I also think your motives for attempting to change the narrative of this game are shady.
I've worked my ass off for this community for 7 years - who the hell are you to question my contributions and status when all you know is how I've played Mafia in this game? My Mafia persona is drastically different from interacting with me outside of the game as many, many people can attest to (two of which happen to be in this game). You didn't bother reading the game I linked for educational purposes to answer a question that you asked, and you wonder why I'm irritated?
I'm a member of this community now, so I'm pretty sure that qualifies me to question your behavior.
This being the only game that I have to judge you on is entirely my point. This is a game with two people playing here for their first time, and a couple others who I gather haven't been here for long (if I'm mistaken, my bad). What kind of impression do you think they get about the leadership of this site when their official staff and mafia council member comes in, acts rude and condescending to everyone, and tries to blunt force his tunnel-visioned reads down their throats like a bully, while refusing to provide the absolute minimum of behavioral analysis requested of them?
And then you have another thread where you sit around and ask each other why this place is falling down around your ears, lol whatever dude
That being said, I didn't mean to turn this into a discussion of what I think about you or this community, and this isn't the time or place to do that anyway. I apologize to everyone else here, and if what I've already said doesn't get me kicked out of this game I'll drop it.
I'm not rushing - I'm confident, and I like winning. Yes, a claim is necessary, because RE should be lynched lest she claim an un-CCed PR.
You want her to claim, but also want her to be lynched before she has the opportunity to claim an ability? Can you clarify, because those are mutually exclusive?
Saying that I'm treating logic and reason like a burden is disingenuous at best when I already clearly stated my case, and it got ignored (by you, no less). Throwing stones, glass houses, etc. If you think that's the first thing I've said about RE that's been indicative of her being scum, you're clearly paying less attention to the game than I am.
I have asked you multiple times to provide the posts you are basing these reads on and you have refused because you think you are above that due to your tremendous skill
Most of the rest of your post is very obviously influenced by your misconceptions of me, and isn't worth responding to
Including the part that I agreed with you on?
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Keep smokin and my face numb, windows down, smokin loud, like ***** say somethin
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Look again, I didn't say he was. I just don't think it's as effective a use of our only night actions to go after a lurker.
There is a weird implication here that you disapprove of me "clearing" Rumanshi, even though others have and you are on the fence yourself. Why would that be?
I mean, I guess that was just a misreading on your part. Shattiel included "lynch" there too.
I do disapprove. In general terms, Riku's behavior is scummy. He's lurking. He's not pushing. He's given, one read? On Wisp? However, meta would have it that this isn't new for him? Thing is, I don't think what he's said so far is beyond the range of what can be faked.
Apparently I did miss the word "lynch" there.
This is much stronger language than you used against him in the post I was responding to. What changed since then?
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Keep smokin and my face numb, windows down, smokin loud, like ***** say somethin
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Yeah, that was actually to what I was referring - I initially forgot I made those posts separately (but then decided to double down to be obnoxious about it), but yes, that's what I was talking about.
I thought that made more sense. What do you think of his response?
Do you think you can make the effort to clarify some of the behavioral evidence I've asked you about RE, because I might consider getting behind this based on her last few posts.
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Keep smokin and my face numb, windows down, smokin loud, like ***** say somethin
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Guys don't bring oog stuffs in the game.. it's a game where people could literally change their attitude or views to achieve their wincon the site or titles got nothing to do with it. I could just lolcat call everyone a snip and you cant do anything about it well other than getting infractions..
Geez why is everyone on edge we may be just 1 lynch away from lylo but it's really just d1 just lynch someone then we proceed to d2 where the real sht happens.
Since apparently literally everybody is ignoring my case against RE including RE, I'll do you guys a solid just this once and repeat it here:
RE's conversation with Bezos is about semantics and pedantry. RE decided early on that she wanted to latch on to me and realized she couldn't push on Bezos reasonably. So, rather than firing back at Bezos for questioning her posting methods, she talked her down from the "I want to lynch you" ledge - because it was easier to sway Bezos to her side rather than expect anybody to reasonably believe that she thought Bezos was scum. This is evident in the cognitive dissonance she displays between when she has decided she wants to push someone (as highlighted by her earlier suspicions of myself) vs. when she had her conversation with Bezos about Bezos prodding her, and directly contradicts the manner in which she stated she was approaching her conversation with Bezos, which, by the way, is not a town mindset.
It's not that hard, people.
I don't see it that way. The semantics and pedantry were very towny.
I'm trying not to be ******** #1 in this game but boy are you guys making it difficult.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
directly contradicts the manner in which she stated she was approaching her conversation with Bezos, which, by the way, is not a town mindset.
can you show me where this happens?
also imo bezos came out of that conversation a little scummier
Why is it a scum tell to approach someone reasonably? I don't need to provoke them to come to a conclusion.
Actually, you did have a problem with my phrasing. "Overly detailed." And I asked where you saw my reads lacking substance and you haven't answered that.
I'm going to try to deal with you rationally, even though you haven't done the same to me. Pretend I'm lock town. Who do you go after next?
You just read me off tone - aka how I'm phrasing things.
oh my god all you have to do is click on the hotlink, I put it right there for you
It's riddled through her posts. Read her tone. It's extremely evident.
I don't remember any of this, but this doesn't change the fact that you still tried to talk her down from the ledge rather than doubling down on the scum read. I don't remember that behavior at all from Arkham Horror, and I seem to recall townreading you very early on in that game. The fact that I'm getting these vibes from you now raises alarm bells for me. Surely that's not strange.
This is strawmanning and misrepresenting what I said. What I actually said was, "It's not a town mindset to approach two people you think are scum that think you're scum in totally different ways unless you have an agenda, which is belied in your cognitive dissonance in the manner with which you approached the two of us." So again, I will ask: Stop putting words in my mouth.
Actually, it wasn't a problem with your phrasing. It was a problem with your content and mindset.
You're right, I haven't answered that yet - because I don't like rereading Mafia games until I have to. So I don't really have any intention of engaging with you on that point, since I'm reasonably certain that the game will end with your lynch.
If I were somehow able to delude myself into believing you could possibly be town, I'd probably look into Shattiel or Bezos. I feel pretty good about Oblivion, Rumanshi hasn't done anything but I expect that from our last game together, and as annoyed as I am at LW for not reading, I don't detect anything sinister about his posting.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Please read this before you make me repeat myself again:
Okay - so you're arguing repeatedly that we're "misunderstanding" your tone, but that doesn't actually address your mindset behind your posts and your cognitive dissonance and your double standard with which you are approaching Bezos and myself which are the primary issues that I take with your posts, so please stop making my argument about something that it isn't because I absolutely loathe repeating myself.
"Tone" is the easiest way to explain the difference in mindset when addressing the differences in how you perceive and approach other players. I need you to stop doing this.
I made it abundantly clear that my vote on you was serious and anybody who doesn't think RE is scum at this point needs to read this flagrant lie from her.
Okay, so now that I've established that this is not strictly a tonal argument, you need to re-address this.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm not saying Slave's misunderstanding my tone and I never have. I'm talking about her not actually answering my questions, but still responding to them. So she's not really avoiding me, she's just answering a different question? I've also asked her how would she know she's not reading into something NAI while reading into the tone of someone she's not played with before - because while her read on me was wrong, that didn't automatically make her scum. However I think I will have to look into motive in her case rather than trying to see if her reasoning is justified.
Right now, I'm not too sure. Her vote put me at L-1, which is too close for comfort. Her initial vote on me felt too confident in a sheep read. If she's scum, it's a safe vote on the train, and I don't think many players realized I was that close (so town could have easily hammered and taken blame for it). However, she unvoted. Despite being called out by me and 013livion for not adequately answering my questions, she didn't try to cover it up and her behavior remained consistent.
I'm also biased in thinking you, Iso, can't possibly believe everything you're saying right now. There is so much malicious intent in your posts I'm half wondering if this is how you plan on playing the entire game or if you have something up your sleeve.
Slave
Iso
All shots/check/lynch should be with these 3
Don't maj yet
I'll go on a meta dive with Iso and Slave
L-2 I think.
I certainly read it as such.
If I were handed a gun with 2 bullets and put in a room with you, Hitler, and bin Laden, I'd shoot you twice.
I don't know what a Gladiator shot is.
This is not anything close to the conversation that any of us are having. Are you living in an alternate dimension?
What does that have to do with anything?
>malicious intent
>lynching scum
seems legit
Of course you're biased. You're not me.
I'd throw you in the pool and say "seems fine".
Well uh, you're not gonna find any meta info on Bezos, so, good luck?
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso (2) - RE1031, Slave of Bezos
Lastwhisper (1) - 013livion_IX
Slave of Bezos (1) - Lastwhisper
Not voting: Rumanshi
With 7 players alive, it takes 4 players to lynch.
Day 1 Lynch Deadline is Tuesday, September 4th, 2018 at 0145 MST.
Iso - 0039, 8/28
Lastwhisper - 2216, 8/27
013livion_IX - 2225, 8/26
RE1031 - 0042, 8/28
Rumanshi - 2016, 8/26
Shattiel - 0014, 8/28
Slave of Bezos (p) - 1227, 8/27
Check done at 0043, 8/28.
Are you implying that your claim is important enough?
You don't have to answer this one
We still got one more lynch, a check and a shot thats more than enough for the two of you
my poe is good enough for a win I think
whats your read again?
A link to some game that I'm to presume you did well in? Excuse me if I don't rush off to acquaint myself with it.
Clearly not paying much attention and/or fully caught up to thread while posting. Still pretends to have everything figured out
Voting without knowing where the vote count stands strikes me as irresponsible at best, particularly in a game with this little margin of error.
Seriously? Why are you trying to rush this so bad? Explain to me the townie mindset behind that.
Does a claim from any of us even seem necessary? There are only 3 options and one ability has already been claimed, or are you trying to out our other one?
Strongly agree with all of this
Acts like explaining his reads and trying to convince others to vote that way through logic and rhetoric (you know, the very basis of this game ) is some onerous burden that he shouldn't be subject to.
Right, except Slave was the one doing that instead of answering a direct question.
Where are you even getting this ***** from?
You are failing miserably and this apology doesn't seem all that sincere.
I literally have no idea how someone so egomaniacal, rude, unwelcoming, and bullying was given so much authority and respect in this community, but I find it extremely off-putting.
You can repeat yourself as much as you like, it doesn't at some point start making you right. If you can't be bothered to provide some basis for why you think that then you shouldn't be surprised if people aren't bothered to buy into it.
This is the first point you've made about her that I find suspect. However, it's not enough in itself to change my opinion much.
This makes the above look significantly worse. That's not the vote any of us are talking about, and I don't see how you couldn't have known that.
I do agree with this though.
UNVOTE
Lastwhisper: looking better
Rumanshi: looking nonexistant
RE: looking a little worse
Iso: looking worse than I can safely describe, just not necessarily scummy
Everyone else looks roughly the same. Would be most interested in voting for Slave or Iso at the moment, even though I admit my problems with them may not be indicative of alignment.
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
RE
Shattiel
Wisp
013livion
Slave
Rumanshi
Iso
I kind of want to put Slave into blue/black territory (upper neutral).
Iso's play is anti-town. Period. Thing is, it's self-destructive as both alignments.
I know Wisp, Iso, and Slave have said Riku is town, but I don't think what he's said is anything he can't mimic as scum. And in a game where scum don't need to equal town, laying low is a workable strategy.
I kinda like Slave's progression on me. I actually quite like how they ended up on Iso. That shows real conviction. And when I say tonal reads tend to be unreliable - I say that from my own experience in using it and in observing others use it (I don't mean to dismiss it as a real way of scumhunting, if it produces results).
I have a tiny bit of paranoia regarding 013livion, because I think part of the townread I'm giving them is based on tone. I think I'm going to ignore it.
Forgive my crude phrasing, but Shattiel, you don't seem to care about me this game. Which worries me a little. You seemed fairly apathetic towards the idea of lynching me, and I didn't get the sense you actually scumread me.
well ofc a claim first is needed but unless you're a pr it doesn't really matter though?
Are you implying that your claim is important enough?
You don't have to answer this one [/quote]I mean, why wouldn't you want me to answer it? If you were dead set on lynching me. If not, I'll note that :nods:
I'm kind of treating this game like it's in permanent LyLo, but not quite. Like I'm pretty fine keeping my vote on Iso, cause there's no repercussion in it (yet). And I haven't found anyone more worthy of the vote yet (except Riku, kind of, it'd be a prod vote, really). And there's not a lot to be gained from VCA, cause there's only one scum and there wouldn't be any saving involved. My issue is, unless you are dead set on me being scum, if I'm your top suspect or whatever, then being at L-3 is not necessarily prime claim time. So before I claim, I want you guys to ask me to claim.
Absolutely
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
I see that now, which is strange because I took it to mean he was talking about the first post back from his absence
Because it makes sense, it does make you look bad if you didn't think that was a serious vote. But the pseudo-random looking vote from earlier in the game (which was still standing when he voted you the second time by the way), not so much.
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Though I don't really mind which one of you and iso get's lynched first
I don't really remember any spicy takes from you yet which is how I usually find you. Looks like you're being careful in this game and doesn't really push that hard
Look again, I didn't say he was. I just don't think it's as effective a use of our only night actions to go after a lurker.
There is a weird implication here that you disapprove of me "clearing" Rumanshi, even though others have and you are on the fence yourself. Why would that be?
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Okay. This is actually a fair assessment of what I've done this game. I am playing carefully. I haven't pushed anyone terribly hard. There is no one I am strictly confident in being scum.
Ideally, we should be able to end the game today. PoE for safety. But be sure of someone. Statistically, our chances are a lot worse than in a normal game of hitting scum. We can't rely on interactions either. I want to be sure as possible.
I have to be up in 5 hours so I'm gonna finish my reading and get some sleep.
I'm pretty sure you're gaslighting me at this point.
Ah; less enthused by that since my outwardly abrasive playstyle means I'm 90% more likely to be the lynch.
tell me more
Well, I'd Vig the **** out of you, that's for sure.
fite mi IRL 1v.1 4000 lifepoints no Exodia
To be fair, will it be "stupid tunnel mode" when RE flips scum?
It's not my fault you haven't been lynched, yet.
I don't remember saying that; just that he was less likely to be scum at this point.
And I'm the gaslighter?
Of course you are
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I do disapprove. In general terms, Riku's behavior is scummy. He's lurking. He's not pushing. He's given, one read? On Wisp? However, meta would have it that this isn't new for him? Thing is, I don't think what he's said so far is beyond the range of what can be faked.
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2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
By default, your complete confidence in me being scum makes Riku town. Also, you agreed to a PoE without Riku. It's not gaslighting to say you've said Riku is town.
You say you're deluding yourself if you pretend I'm not scum, or something. So it's fascinating that you would even consider throwing another player into the PoE pile when it sounds like your PoE looks something like [RE, RE, RE, RE]
If it gets results at the expense of other players enjoyment, I would argue that it's to the detriment of this community and the game as a whole.
I don't frankly see why I should be expected to care about your personal problems, or see them as an excuse to be deliberately rude and self-centered. If you don't have time to devote to the game in order to provide adequate evidence of your reads, perhaps you should take some time off, because you clearly don't seem to be enjoying this much either.
I have clearly stated multiple times that my feelings towards you are possibly not an indication of your alignment. That does not change the fact that I also think your motives for attempting to change the narrative of this game are shady.
I'm a member of this community now, so I'm pretty sure that qualifies me to question your behavior.
This being the only game that I have to judge you on is entirely my point. This is a game with two people playing here for their first time, and a couple others who I gather haven't been here for long (if I'm mistaken, my bad). What kind of impression do you think they get about the leadership of this site when their official staff and mafia council member comes in, acts rude and condescending to everyone, and tries to blunt force his tunnel-visioned reads down their throats like a bully, while refusing to provide the absolute minimum of behavioral analysis requested of them?
And then you have another thread where you sit around and ask each other why this place is falling down around your ears, lol whatever dude
That being said, I didn't mean to turn this into a discussion of what I think about you or this community, and this isn't the time or place to do that anyway. I apologize to everyone else here, and if what I've already said doesn't get me kicked out of this game I'll drop it.
You want her to claim, but also want her to be lynched before she has the opportunity to claim an ability? Can you clarify, because those are mutually exclusive?
I have asked you multiple times to provide the posts you are basing these reads on and you have refused because you think you are above that due to your tremendous skill
Including the part that I agreed with you on?
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Apparently I did miss the word "lynch" there.
This is much stronger language than you used against him in the post I was responding to. What changed since then?
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
I thought that made more sense. What do you think of his response?
Do you think you can make the effort to clarify some of the behavioral evidence I've asked you about RE, because I might consider getting behind this based on her last few posts.
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Geez why is everyone on edge we may be just 1 lynch away from lylo but it's really just d1 just lynch someone then we proceed to d2 where the real sht happens.
Here I feel like trusting re now
Sheeep