Oblivion I would appreciate if you guys would respect that.
I mean, I could've just lied and said I've never played, or I could've linked you to literally any profile with 3 completed games on any site just to placate you, since I've never used this name anywhere else
wtf kind of post is this? and meta is a thing, regardless of what you think, this is like saying, "I dont believe in claiming at L2 because it doesnt help anything, so I'd apprecriate if you guys didnt hound me on it", if that sound stupid, its because it is, just like your statement
Now what you did is just ***** all over his posts and call it "reads that have already been made and agreed" do you think that he just copied that post? If so why attack me not the person himself?
I think it's likely that Slave is just copying popular opinions, other than that short list of barning other people hard he does not seem as interested in scumhunting as arguing semantics and causing a distraction.
I'm not attacking you, I just asked you to clarify your read. Do you always respond this aggressively to simple questions?
Also, I have been attacking and questioning Slave.
I respect the meta thing
I just encountered alot of people who played like you usually they would flip town but it isn't really that hard to fake I'm just trying to get a heads up of your range as wolf
I get that, but I'm not convinced that 3 games by a complete newbie would be enough of a sample size to even be useful.
If there was anything from my one scum game that would be useful, I would like to think that I've already identified it, and would be able to correct that behavior in the future. Which is really my problem with relying on meta in a nutshell.
Oblivion I would appreciate if you guys would respect that.
I mean, I could've just lied and said I've never played, or I could've linked you to literally any profile with 3 completed games on any site just to placate you, since I've never used this name anywhere else
wtf kind of post is this? and meta is a thing, regardless of what you think, this is like saying, "I dont believe in claiming at L2 because it doesnt help anything, so I'd apprecriate if you guys didnt hound me on it", if that sound stupid, its because it is, just like your statement
lol, chill bruh
I don't really care what you think on the matter, and your analogy is absolutely asinine. Other than that, I've said all I intend to about it; if you think it makes me scum then ******* vote me, otherwise, deal with it
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Oblivion I would appreciate if you guys would respect that.
I mean, I could've just lied and said I've never played, or I could've linked you to literally any profile with 3 completed games on any site just to placate you, since I've never used this name anywhere else
wtf kind of post is this? and meta is a thing, regardless of what you think, this is like saying, "I dont believe in claiming at L2 because it doesnt help anything, so I'd apprecriate if you guys didnt hound me on it", if that sound stupid, its because it is, just like your statement
there are people who would create alt accounts just to hide their meta wisp if he doesn't want to then we can't force him it should be a nai thing..
@Oblivion also if you are new you shouldn't really be that worried about meta with a sample size of only 3 games you're still getting it easy.
I think it's likely that Slave is just copying popular opinions, other than that short list of barning other people hard he does not seem as interested in scumhunting as arguing semantics and causing a distraction.
I'm not attacking you, I just asked you to clarify your read. Do you always respond this aggressively to simple questions?
Yes I am angery!!
Thats not really aggressive tbh
I get that, but I'm not convinced that 3 games by a complete newbie would be enough of a sample size to even be useful.
If there was anything from my one scum game that would be useful, I would like to think that I've already identified it, and would be able to correct that behavior in the future. Which is really my problem with relying on meta in a nutshell.
trust me even 1 would be useful enough.
No theres more to meta than just simply correcting a mistake from a past game theres also your posting habit/attitude/reaction/style/etc it's not easy to change those
well even if you can theres always a difference between your town meta and your scum meta..
I know alot of people who's very experienced but still get caught pretty easily with just meta.
@Shattiel: You can't say 'my towncore' and then say 'Name: Do you agree'. You're either confident that wisp makes up part of your town basis, or you're not. If you're asking for agreement, it's no longer your towncore, but rather the groups. >.<
That being said, Wisps got his town personality chillin', so if you'd like someone other than RE to agree with you, here's my agreement
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@Shattiel: You can't say 'my towncore' and then say 'Name: Do you agree'. You're either confident that wisp makes up part of your town basis, or you're not. If you're asking for agreement, it's no longer your towncore, but rather the groups. >.<
That being said, Wisps got his town personality chillin', so if you'd like someone other than RE to agree with you, here's my agreement
No I'm asking for RE's opinion >.<
It's not because I'm not confident with it
Btw I think can put wisp in my towncore now @RE do you agree?
I still feel he is one tier below you and livion, but that should be fine? I'm still waiting on a tell that I think sells Wisp as town, so I'm not as confident in my read on him (not to say without the tell he can't be town, it's just a really good tell). I think he exhibited a bit of townie anger in response to me calling him nervous (where he quoted a post of mine and called it useless), and a bit of townie carelessness (where he neglects to share the reasoning for his reads).
Kinda hoping it's just Slave, but Iso/Rumanshi haven't posted enough for me to be confident in any read I can get off of them.
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I ask for meta so that I'm not reading into something NAI. I might townread(lean) someone for something, but I'd also like to check if it's something they're capable of doing as scum. Same goes with scumread. Don't think meta is consistent, it's just helpful to me cause I read off my gut but some things that set off my gut can be faked.
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smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Now what you did is just ***** all over his posts and call it "reads that have already been made and agreed" do you think that he just copied that post? If so why attack me not the person himself?
I think it's likely that Slave is just copying popular opinions, other than that short list of barning other people hard he does not seem as interested in scumhunting as arguing semantics and causing a distraction.
I'm not attacking you, I just asked you to clarify your read. Do you always respond this aggressively to simple questions?
Also, I have been attacking and questioning Slave.
I respect the meta thing
I just encountered alot of people who played like you usually they would flip town but it isn't really that hard to fake I'm just trying to get a heads up of your range as wolf
I get that, but I'm not convinced that 3 games by a complete newbie would be enough of a sample size to even be useful.
If there was anything from my one scum game that would be useful, I would like to think that I've already identified it, and would be able to correct that behavior in the future. Which is really my problem with relying on meta in a nutshell.
Oblivion I would appreciate if you guys would respect that.
I mean, I could've just lied and said I've never played, or I could've linked you to literally any profile with 3 completed games on any site just to placate you, since I've never used this name anywhere else
wtf kind of post is this? and meta is a thing, regardless of what you think, this is like saying, "I dont believe in claiming at L2 because it doesnt help anything, so I'd apprecriate if you guys didnt hound me on it", if that sound stupid, its because it is, just like your statement
lol, chill bruh
I don't really care what you think on the matter, and your analogy is absolutely asinine. Other than that, I've said all I intend to about it; if you think it makes me scum then ******* vote me, otherwise, deal with it
nah I still think you have a better chance of flipping town, also, I see what you did there... lmao
If I'm reading off tone, Rumanshi is town.
I felt a bit of that explosiveness in his response to Tainted asking me for thoughts on putting Wisp in towncore.
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@Shattiel: You can't say 'my towncore' and then say 'Name: Do you agree'. You're either confident that wisp makes up part of your town basis, or you're not. If you're asking for agreement, it's no longer your towncore, but rather the groups. >.<
That being said, Wisps got his town personality chillin', so if you'd like someone other than RE to agree with you, here's my agreement
so what changed me now and then, to warrant this town read? "Chillin" is not my town personality, well more so its not a personality that defines me as town over many other things, so its weird your focused on that, after wanting me lynched since the start of the day...
I agree with Shat's opinion on Meta...
work soon, will post again later, Im still ok keeping my vote on Slaves at this point
If I'm reading off tone, Rumanshi is town.
I felt a bit of that explosiveness in his response to Tainted asking me for thoughts on putting Wisp in towncore.
dont... thats what I did in Token Mafia, he sounded so genuine, and I was so horribly wrong...
You can still answer my questions. How do you know you're not reading into something NAI when you're reading off the tone of someone you've never played with before?
The post should still show up but it'll take you to a bad page first.
If it's NAI then it would be definition be NAI via tone as well, yes?
it is really hard to not scum read RE, I swear to god lol...
Also I voted Slave because of his over explanations yesterday/today , and the fact that hes kinda being uncooperative... hes probably the scum here
Um excuse me but RE is asking me to over explain. And if I'm overexplaining, how can I be uncooperative? Those are complete opposites.
You can still answer my questions. How do you know you're not reading into something NAI when you're reading off the tone of someone you've never played with before?
The post should still show up but it'll take you to a bad page first.
If it's NAI then it would be definition be NAI via tone as well, yes?
it is really hard to not scum read RE, I swear to god lol...
Also I voted Slave because of his over explanations yesterday/today , and the fact that hes kinda being uncooperative... hes probably the scum here
Um excuse me but RE is asking me to over explain. And if I'm over explaining, how can I be uncooperative? Those are complete opposites.
nah they are peas of the same pod, your over explanations came off as snide and unnecessary, and in my opinion also uncooperative, because your answers just when it circles, so hence over explaining and uncooperative at the same time.
If I'm reading off tone, Rumanshi is town.
I felt a bit of that explosiveness in his response to Tainted asking me for thoughts on putting Wisp in towncore.
Didn't you just say something along the lines of how you don't read off tone? Or that you think tonal reading is bad?
If I'm reading off tone, Rumanshi is town.
I felt a bit of that explosiveness in his response to Tainted asking me for thoughts on putting Wisp in towncore.
Didn't you just say something along the lines of how you don't read off tone? Or that you think tonal reading is bad?
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If it's NAI then it would be definition be NAI via tone as well, yes?
I don't understand what you're saying here. How do you know the tone you're reading into isn't something present regardless of that player's alignment?
Um excuse me but RE is asking me to over explain. And if I'm overexplaining, how can I be uncooperative? Those are complete opposites.
I'm not asking you to over explain. Somehow you are missing what I'm asking for and giving me unrelated answers.
If I'm reading off tone, Rumanshi is town.
I felt a bit of that explosiveness in his response to Tainted asking me for thoughts on putting Wisp in towncore.
Didn't you just say something along the lines of how you don't read off tone? Or that you think tonal reading is bad?
I mean, that's why I put
I think tonal reads are a place to start. I also think they can screw you over. I have just about no opinion on Riku (it's in his sig now, might as well) so far but I did get a bit of town vibe from that post of his. I liked the conviction. Ultimately though it was mafia theory and fairly NAI if I'm being realistic.
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SIGH, multiquote is broken, so I'm gonna have to do all this over again. Sorry for my absence, but I don't really get on my computer on weekends except the rare bouts in the dead of night when I have an opportunity to play video games. osi knows that I don't post on weekends. Anyway, I'm here now, so you're welcome for winning the game for you.
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@RE1031: The way Night actions should be analyzed, as well as the endgame numbers? What kind of totally goddamn asinine question is this? I should just do the Shalako thing where I post memes in response to dumb questions.
@013livion_IX: I'm [pretending to be] offended that you think I'm not generating helpful reactions with my abundance of content.
@Rumanshi: Sooo does that mean you think he's scum, and if not, why aren't you trying to lynch him?
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RE is very pointedly trying to control the narrative; in particular, her interactions with Bezos looks very much like she's trying to make sure Bezos doesn't think she's scum despite their disagreements, and I don't think that's something that somebody approaching this game with a town mindset needs to be doing. Her rationale for a lot of posts feels overly detailed in a way that indicates the reasons are lacking substance and like she's trying to overcompensate by making it look like there's more there rather than the depth of read one might expect from a townie.
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RE is very pointedly trying to control the narrative; in particular, her interactions with Bezos looks very much like she's trying to make sure Bezos doesn't think she's scum despite their disagreements, and I don't think that's something that somebody approaching this game with a town mindset needs to be doing. Her rationale for a lot of posts feels overly detailed in a way that indicates the reasons are lacking substance and like she's trying to overcompensate by making it look like there's more there rather than the depth of read one might expect from a townie.
Anyway, this game is over, sheep me, GG, etc.
That's a fairly vague description of what I've been doing. Where do you see my reasons lacking substance? Again, do you disagree with them?
Slave's playstyle makes it difficult to counter him if he's reading off of tone, making it easy for him as scum to excuse his reads. There's not so much disagreement as misunderstanding. If it's playstyle that's causing miscommunication and difference in reads rather than difference in alignment, then I want to know that.
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@RE1031: The way Night actions should be analyzed, as well as the endgame numbers? What kind of totally goddamn asinine question is this? I should just do the Shalako thing where I post memes in response to dumb questions.
@013livion_IX: I'm [pretending to be] offended that you think I'm not generating helpful reactions with my abundance of content.
@Rumanshi: Sooo does that mean you think he's scum, and if not, why aren't you trying to lynch him?
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RE is very pointedly trying to control the narrative; in particular, her interactions with Bezos looks very much like she's trying to make sure Bezos doesn't think she's scum despite their disagreements, and I don't think that's something that somebody approaching this game with a town mindset needs to be doing. Her rationale for a lot of posts feels overly detailed in a way that indicates the reasons are lacking substance and like she's trying to overcompensate by making it look like there's more there rather than the depth of read one might expect from a townie.
Anyway, this game is over, sheep me, GG, etc.
all I have to say to this post is, k
and your sarcasm is lame
Good, that means I don't have to play with anyone bad enough to not be townreading me by now.
There are only 1 and a quarter pages of posts, wtf???
I hope that was joke post @Iso
@RE1031: The way Night actions should be analyzed, as well as the endgame numbers? What kind of totally goddamn asinine question is this? I should just do the Shalako thing where I post memes in response to dumb questions.
RE is very pointedly trying to control the narrative; in particular, her interactions with Bezos looks very much like she's trying to make sure Bezos doesn't think she's scum despite their disagreements, and I don't think that's something that somebody approaching this game with a town mindset needs to be doing. Her rationale for a lot of posts feels overly detailed in a way that indicates the reasons are lacking substance and like she's trying to overcompensate by making it look like there's more there rather than the depth of read one might expect from a townie.
This is not the impression that I'm getting, RE seems to be legitimately trying to solve this thing. Can you try to provide more basis for this read when you get a chance?
Are you saying that you think Slave is looking town? Because if so, I'm going to need you to provide some basis for that as well.
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Is Iso usually this... I'l be nice and say "overconfident"?
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smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Is Iso usually this... I'l be nice and say "overconfident"?
I've only played one other game with him. I was going to say no but I actually couldn't remember what he was like, and he roleplayed for a bit before actually game solving. The game is Arkham Horror if you want to read his ISO but I would say no, he didn't emphasize certainty in his reads (well, read, singular) this early and poked around more.
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That's a fairly vague description of what I've been doing. Where do you see my reasons lacking substance? Again, do you disagree with them?
In your posts.
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Slave's playstyle makes it difficult to counter him if he's reading off of tone, making it easy for him as scum to excuse his reads.
Can you explain what you mean by this? I have 0 issues with Bezos's quality or style of play, thus far.
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There's not so much disagreement as misunderstanding. If it's playstyle that's causing miscommunication and difference in reads rather than difference in alignment, then I want to know that.
I'm really not sure what's so difficult to grok about what's being said. Also, I find this response disingenuous, as it directly conflicts with what you said about Bezos above:
"Slave's playstyle makes it difficult to counter him if he's reading off of tone, making it easy for him as scum to excuse his reads."
However, you're approaching the "misunderstanding" without even an inkling of suspicion in your tone - it's evident that you don't suspect Bezos, as you make your suspicions readily available based on your tone earlier in the game. You're being far too reasonable in your discourse with Bezos if you don't already know they're town, which is in stark contrast to your prior statement evoking the "well they could be scum" card to keep your options open.
This is not the impression that I'm getting, RE seems to be legitimately trying to solve this thing. Can you try to provide more basis for this read when you get a chance?
What posts of RE's include game-solving questions? Because I'm not seeing any.
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Are you saying that you think Slave is looking town? Because if so, I'm going to need you to provide some basis for that as well.
I'm saying that I don't see anything contrary to this narrative.
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If I'm reading off tone, Rumanshi is town.
I felt a bit of that explosiveness in his response to Tainted asking me for thoughts on putting Wisp in towncore.
Didn't you just say something along the lines of how you don't read off tone? Or that you think tonal reading is bad?
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Please explain vote. o.o
I have a feeling that I figured out RE so that leaves Iso as mafia.
Good, that means I don't have to play with anyone bad enough to not be townreading me by now.
There are only 1 and a quarter pages of posts, wtf???
I hope that was joke post @Iso
@RE1031: The way Night actions should be analyzed, as well as the endgame numbers? What kind of totally goddamn asinine question is this? I should just do the Shalako thing where I post memes in response to dumb questions.
RE is very pointedly trying to control the narrative; in particular, her interactions with Bezos looks very much like she's trying to make sure Bezos doesn't think she's scum despite their disagreements, and I don't think that's something that somebody approaching this game with a town mindset needs to be doing. Her rationale for a lot of posts feels overly detailed in a way that indicates the reasons are lacking substance and like she's trying to overcompensate by making it look like there's more there rather than the depth of read one might expect from a townie.
This is not the impression that I'm getting, RE seems to be legitimately trying to solve this thing. Can you try to provide more basis for this read when you get a chance?
Are you saying that you think Slave is looking town? Because if so, I'm going to need you to provide some basis for that as well.
I don't recall anyone TRing any of those people for those posts. Maybe one person TRing Rumanshi but that's all I can recall. If you'd like to show how those opinions are popular please go right ahead. I don't think it's important though, so don't worry about it if that's too much effort.
I'm really not sure what's so difficult to grok about what's being said. Also, I find this response disingenuous, as it directly conflicts with what you said about Bezos above:
"Slave's playstyle makes it difficult to counter him if he's reading off of tone, making it easy for him as scum to excuse his reads."
However, you're approaching the "misunderstanding" without even an inkling of suspicion in your tone - it's evident that you don't suspect Bezos, as you make your suspicions readily available based on your tone earlier in the game. You're being far too reasonable in your discourse with Bezos if you don't already know they're town, which is in stark contrast to your prior statement evoking the "well they could be scum" card to keep your options open.
Actually, rather than not suspecting them, I'm aware that miscommunication can be caused by things other than alignment difference. I gain nothing from labeling them as scum without understanding where they're coming from. Not to mention, there is only one scum in this game. Without you or Riku posting enough to get a solid read, there was no way I could fully suspect Bezos because one of you could have just as easily been scum.
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Oh, forgot to add @RE: Agreeing with you is irrelevant if what I take issue with is your motive.
It's relevant to me because it means you've taken issue with how I phrased my reads rather than what I said about them. I want to know if you agree with my conclusions and whether my reasoning for them is justified in your opinion. I already know my motive is pure, so you're just wrong in everything. Unfortunately I can't read into ~being wrong~ so I'd like it if you could break it down further why you came to the conclusion you did and not just dismiss everything I've said because of how I phrase things.
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I'm really not sure what's so difficult to grok about what's being said. Also, I find this response disingenuous, as it directly conflicts with what you said about Bezos above:
"Slave's playstyle makes it difficult to counter him if he's reading off of tone, making it easy for him as scum to excuse his reads."
However, you're approaching the "misunderstanding" without even an inkling of suspicion in your tone - it's evident that you don't suspect Bezos, as you make your suspicions readily available based on your tone earlier in the game. You're being far too reasonable in your discourse with Bezos if you don't already know they're town, which is in stark contrast to your prior statement evoking the "well they could be scum" card to keep your options open.
Actually, rather than not suspecting them, I'm aware that miscommunication can be caused by things other than alignment difference. I gain nothing from labeling them as scum without understanding where they're coming from. Not to mention, there is only one scum in this game. Without you or Riku posting enough to get a solid read, there was no way I could fully suspect Bezos because one of you could have just as easily been scum.
Is this opinion popular enough for me to copy? I like it.
If I'm reading off tone, Rumanshi is town.
I felt a bit of that explosiveness in his response to Tainted asking me for thoughts on putting Wisp in towncore.
Didn't you just say something along the lines of how you don't read off tone? Or that you think tonal reading is bad?
Vote: Iso
Please explain vote. o.o
I have a feeling that I figured out RE so that leaves Iso as mafia.
If I'm reading off tone, Rumanshi is town.
I felt a bit of that explosiveness in his response to Tainted asking me for thoughts on putting Wisp in towncore.
Didn't you just say something along the lines of how you don't read off tone? Or that you think tonal reading is bad?
Vote: Iso
Please explain vote. o.o
I have a feeling that I figured out RE so that leaves Iso as mafia.
I want to know what you think of RE
I think RE is town. Posts that once felt rigid now are falling into place. It's a big picture view, not determined by an individual post. The beginning and middle didn't make sense until I saw the end.
@LW: the one literally in the post you quoted that you responded to
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@RE: I didn't say that you needed to label players as scum to question or suspect them. What my issue stems from is the dissonance in the mindset of "I don't know if this person is town or not" to you leveling with Bezos in such a seemingly reasonable fashion, as though you were afraid of ruffling her feathers. I also didn't say my problem was with your phrasing - you really need to stop putting words into my mouth.
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@Shattiel: I'm used to it. I'm rough around the edges and people don't like being wrong, so it's even harder for them to accept that they're wrong when I'm right.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@LW: the one literally in the post you quoted that you responded to
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@RE: I didn't say that you needed to label players as scum to question or suspect them. What my issue stems from is the dissonance in the mindset of "I don't know if this person is town or not" to you leveling with Bezos in such a seemingly reasonable fashion, as though you were afraid of ruffling her feathers. I also didn't say my problem was with your phrasing - you really need to stop putting words into my mouth.
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@Shattiel: I'm used to it. I'm rough around the edges and people don't like being wrong, so it's even harder for them to accept that they're wrong when I'm right.
ya still dont see it...
I dont mind being wrong, but you also arent always right, thats what being uninformed means... and we have two mislynches, not this is not the game to be being confrontational with everyone, and contrary to what you believe in your own mind, you havent done anything...
Since apparently literally everybody is ignoring my case against RE including RE, I'll do you guys a solid just this once and repeat it here:
RE's conversation with Bezos is about semantics and pedantry. RE decided early on that she wanted to latch on to me and realized she couldn't push on Bezos reasonably. So, rather than firing back at Bezos for questioning her posting methods, she talked her down from the "I want to lynch you" ledge - because it was easier to sway Bezos to her side rather than expect anybody to reasonably believe that she thought Bezos was scum. This is evident in the cognitive dissonance she displays between when she has decided she wants to push someone (as highlighted by her earlier suspicions of myself) vs. when she had her conversation with Bezos about Bezos prodding her, and directly contradicts the manner in which she stated she was approaching her conversation with Bezos, which, by the way, is not a town mindset.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It was literally the only thing I directed to you in this post. Did you just not bother reading it? Because that also would explain your delusion that I somehow haven't done anything this game.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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I would appreciate if you guys would respect that.
I mean, I could've just lied and said I've never played, or I could've linked you to literally any profile with 3 completed games on any site just to placate you, since I've never used this name anywhere else
wtf kind of post is this? and meta is a thing, regardless of what you think, this is like saying, "I dont believe in claiming at L2 because it doesnt help anything, so I'd apprecriate if you guys didnt hound me on it", if that sound stupid, its because it is, just like your statement
For real, not being able to preview what I'm doing at least twice is not going to be good with my posting style.
Fair enough
I think it's likely that Slave is just copying popular opinions, other than that short list of barning other people hard he does not seem as interested in scumhunting as arguing semantics and causing a distraction.
I'm not attacking you, I just asked you to clarify your read. Do you always respond this aggressively to simple questions?
Also, I have been attacking and questioning Slave.
I get that, but I'm not convinced that 3 games by a complete newbie would be enough of a sample size to even be useful.
If there was anything from my one scum game that would be useful, I would like to think that I've already identified it, and would be able to correct that behavior in the future. Which is really my problem with relying on meta in a nutshell.
Why wouldn't I? That's who I'm looking for
Get over it
lol, chill bruh
I don't really care what you think on the matter, and your analogy is absolutely asinine. Other than that, I've said all I intend to about it; if you think it makes me scum then ******* vote me, otherwise, deal with it
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
@Oblivion also if you are new you shouldn't really be that worried about meta with a sample size of only 3 games you're still getting it easy.
Thats not really aggressive tbh
trust me even 1 would be useful enough.
No theres more to meta than just simply correcting a mistake from a past game theres also your posting habit/attitude/reaction/style/etc it's not easy to change those
well even if you can theres always a difference between your town meta and your scum meta..
I know alot of people who's very experienced but still get caught pretty easily with just meta.
Why am I teaching mafia wtf
That being said, Wisps got his town personality chillin', so if you'd like someone other than RE to agree with you, here's my agreement
It's not because I'm not confident with it
Kinda hoping it's just Slave, but Iso/Rumanshi haven't posted enough for me to be confident in any read I can get off of them.
@013livion
I ask for meta so that I'm not reading into something NAI. I might townread(lean) someone for something, but I'd also like to check if it's something they're capable of doing as scum. Same goes with scumread. Don't think meta is consistent, it's just helpful to me cause I read off my gut but some things that set off my gut can be faked.
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
I felt a bit of that explosiveness in his response to Tainted asking me for thoughts on putting Wisp in towncore.
I agree with Shat's opinion on Meta...
work soon, will post again later, Im still ok keeping my vote on Slaves at this point
Lastwhisper (2) - Rumanshi, 013livion_IX
Iso (1) - RE1031
Slave of Bezos (1) - Lastwhisper
Not voting:
With 7 players alive, it takes 4 players to lynch.
Day 1 Lynch Deadline is Tuesday, September 4th, 2018 at 0145 MST.
Iso - 0643, 8/23
Lastwhisper - 0946, 8/26
013livion_IX - 0022, 8/26
RE1031 - 0941, 8/26
Rumanshi - 0546, 8/26
Shattiel - 0626, 8/26
Slave of Bezos (p) - 1016, 8/25
Check done at 1537, 8/26.
Iso is V/LA until Monday, August 27th.
@Shattiel @Slave
Am I your top suspect right now?
Unvote
Vote: Iso
Please explain vote. o.o
I think tonal reads are a place to start. I also think they can screw you over. I have just about no opinion on Riku (it's in his sig now, might as well) so far but I did get a bit of town vibe from that post of his. I liked the conviction. Ultimately though it was mafia theory and fairly NAI if I'm being realistic.
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@RE1031: The way Night actions should be analyzed, as well as the endgame numbers? What kind of totally goddamn asinine question is this? I should just do the Shalako thing where I post memes in response to dumb questions.
@Lastwhisper: And if it wasn't?
@Shattiel: Accepted!
@013livion_IX: I'm [pretending to be] offended that you think I'm not generating helpful reactions with my abundance of content.
@Rumanshi: Sooo does that mean you think he's scum, and if not, why aren't you trying to lynch him?
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Vote RE1031
RE is very pointedly trying to control the narrative; in particular, her interactions with Bezos looks very much like she's trying to make sure Bezos doesn't think she's scum despite their disagreements, and I don't think that's something that somebody approaching this game with a town mindset needs to be doing. Her rationale for a lot of posts feels overly detailed in a way that indicates the reasons are lacking substance and like she's trying to overcompensate by making it look like there's more there rather than the depth of read one might expect from a townie.
Anyway, this game is over, sheep me, GG, etc.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Slave's playstyle makes it difficult to counter him if he's reading off of tone, making it easy for him as scum to excuse his reads. There's not so much disagreement as misunderstanding. If it's playstyle that's causing miscommunication and difference in reads rather than difference in alignment, then I want to know that.
:x
and your sarcasm is lame
These:
Where did that come from?
Out of all of the posts made since you were last here, these are the ones you feel the need to comment on?
Can't say I'm real impressed
This is not the impression that I'm getting, RE seems to be legitimately trying to solve this thing. Can you try to provide more basis for this read when you get a chance?
Are you saying that you think Slave is looking town? Because if so, I'm going to need you to provide some basis for that as well.
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
smoke a hundred grams like it ain't nothin, I got a mouth full of space nuggets, give me a second and I'll be huntin for martians or a trace of 'em
me, Charlie, and Dennis, we been paint huffin, it's Always Sunny when you're baked like a cake oven
Unvote
Say intent to hammer before a hammer and wait for a claim.
I'll brb
In your posts.
Can you explain what you mean by this? I have 0 issues with Bezos's quality or style of play, thus far.
I'm really not sure what's so difficult to grok about what's being said. Also, I find this response disingenuous, as it directly conflicts with what you said about Bezos above:
"Slave's playstyle makes it difficult to counter him if he's reading off of tone, making it easy for him as scum to excuse his reads."
However, you're approaching the "misunderstanding" without even an inkling of suspicion in your tone - it's evident that you don't suspect Bezos, as you make your suspicions readily available based on your tone earlier in the game. You're being far too reasonable in your discourse with Bezos if you don't already know they're town, which is in stark contrast to your prior statement evoking the "well they could be scum" card to keep your options open.
Yes, I'd be disappointed if the loudest player in the thread caught me on Day 1, too.
Sarcasm?
You didn't answer my question.
What posts of RE's include game-solving questions? Because I'm not seeing any.
I'm saying that I don't see anything contrary to this narrative.
For shizzle. With good reason.
Other people are voting RE? Lame. I like being a trendsetter.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
In that case, she has no excuse not to have claimed at this point and should be lynched with great prejudice.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Also I'm a lady.
I have a feeling that I figured out RE so that leaves Iso as mafia. I don't recall anyone TRing any of those people for those posts. Maybe one person TRing Rumanshi but that's all I can recall. If you'd like to show how those opinions are popular please go right ahead. I don't think it's important though, so don't worry about it if that's too much effort.
what question?
@Shattiel
Answer my question? Iso's the only one voting me now.
Also rather than finding the scummiest person I prefer to find the towniest then work out the poe
scum!riku just straight up lurks
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@LW: the one literally in the post you quoted that you responded to
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@RE: I didn't say that you needed to label players as scum to question or suspect them. What my issue stems from is the dissonance in the mindset of "I don't know if this person is town or not" to you leveling with Bezos in such a seemingly reasonable fashion, as though you were afraid of ruffling her feathers. I also didn't say my problem was with your phrasing - you really need to stop putting words into my mouth.
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@Shattiel: I'm used to it. I'm rough around the edges and people don't like being wrong, so it's even harder for them to accept that they're wrong when I'm right.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I dont mind being wrong, but you also arent always right, thats what being uninformed means... and we have two mislynches, not this is not the game to be being confrontational with everyone, and contrary to what you believe in your own mind, you havent done anything...
RE's conversation with Bezos is about semantics and pedantry. RE decided early on that she wanted to latch on to me and realized she couldn't push on Bezos reasonably. So, rather than firing back at Bezos for questioning her posting methods, she talked her down from the "I want to lynch you" ledge - because it was easier to sway Bezos to her side rather than expect anybody to reasonably believe that she thought Bezos was scum. This is evident in the cognitive dissonance she displays between when she has decided she wants to push someone (as highlighted by her earlier suspicions of myself) vs. when she had her conversation with Bezos about Bezos prodding her, and directly contradicts the manner in which she stated she was approaching her conversation with Bezos, which, by the way, is not a town mindset.
It's not that hard, people.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
It was literally the only thing I directed to you in this post. Did you just not bother reading it? Because that also would explain your delusion that I somehow haven't done anything this game.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player