tom's vouching for manasi + my early not liking her wasn't particularly serious and i'm fine with her now
i don't like Shinichi's interpretation of tom's treatment of me
No I didn't post about nacho I posted about manasi.
Yes...
But you said that "Manasi is town unless they are scum with Nacho..."
Which implies that you have to be town reading Nacho right now. You know what I'm just going to ignore it.
Tom is town unless he's scum with anyone two people in the thread. Man what a profound statement right?
Your post is slightly more exact, but its just ugh. I just hate these kind of statements that just mean nothing, yet appear to mean something. Its just fence sitting, yet if I cut out the Nachmama part and read "I'm town reading Manasi" its not and it was a statement I might have agreed with.
You've got some conviction behind it and are attempting to explain it so that's a bonus. Slight town read on Tom for the moment, still waiting on Cantrip, slight town read on Anak for echoing things I'm thinking but not saying in thread.
tom's vouching for manasi + my early not liking her wasn't particularly serious and i'm fine with her now
i don't like Shinichi's interpretation of tom's treatment of me
Vote: Nachomamma8
So, instead of following it up with any questions you just vote them and don't attempt to figure out their alignment?
And that interpretation of what Tom said is 100% accurate if you take it down the rabbit hole. I can understand how Shinichi came to that conclusion.
When I said she's either town or scum with nacho, I meant she's either town or scum with nacho. There's no valuation there on which is more likely, besides the implied percentages that can be arrived at statistically
Sorry, I can be a lot less lazy with that since tom isn't playing Voxxicus style this game.
My initial vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all; when people interpreted it somewhat seriously, I kind of rode it a little further for reaction's sake, but it was never something I was attached to in the first place. Tom vouching for Manasi when I know they have history is enough reason to stop pushing on page 2, especially when I don't have anything further to prod at. I don't like Shinichi saying that tom punting on his read on me was "just giving me a townread"; there are plenty of valid criticisms to the approach (not even attempting to read me is lazy, allows him to leave options open for later, is unrealistic and unbelievable due to how wildly polarizing I am), but that isn't one of them.
which, if you understood what I said (which was quite clear and direct imo) is only me townreading her from nachos POV if he is town
I would definitely townread most people for just throwing that bit of town POV in there and not making a big deal about it
It's what azrael calls natural town tells.
But just as AZ knows he can't use that method on me, I know I can't use it on nacho because he and I would totally think to do this as scum and giggle to ourselves if someone notices it and comes to the wrong conclusion
Which is another part of why I have no intention of having a meaningful read on nacho early game, if ever
When I said she's either town or scum with nacho, I meant she's either town or scum with nacho. There's no valuation there on which is more likely, besides the implied percentages that can be arrived at statistically
tom's vouching for manasi + my early not liking her wasn't particularly serious and i'm fine with her now
i don't like Shinichi's interpretation of tom's treatment of me
Vote: Nachomamma8
So, instead of following it up with any questions you just vote them and don't attempt to figure out their alignment?
And that interpretation of what Tom said is 100% accurate if you take it down the rabbit hole. I can understand how Shinichi came to that conclusion.
40 exists; my prod to figure out their alignment came before the vote but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
I also see that Shinichi apparently misread tom's post, which is unfortunate.
Sorry, I can be a lot less lazy with that since tom isn't playing Voxxicus style this game.
My initial vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all; when people interpreted it somewhat seriously, I kind of rode it a little further for reaction's sake, but it was never something I was attached to in the first place. Tom vouching for Manasi when I know they have history is enough reason to stop pushing on page 2, especially when I don't have anything further to prod at. I don't like Shinichi saying that tom punting on his read on me was "just giving me a townread"; there are plenty of valid criticisms to the approach (not even attempting to read me is lazy, allows him to leave options open for later, is unrealistic and unbelievable due to how wildly polarizing I am), but that isn't one of them.
What do you think of that line of thought @DV?
I didn't even view your vote on Manasi as being serious nor did I view the response as being serious. I'd be surprised if you were attached to a RVS vote. I'm more concerned that you felt the need to detail this out as though you were aware of it being a fault.
I don't even understand the second part. If the vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all why then did Tom vouching for Manasi make you stop pushing? Why bring this up? It wasn't a serious vote so you moved off of it to a more serious vote. That seems fair. But you didn't approach it this way you hyper over explained on something that didn't matter, that I never brought up. And have dodged the question entirely.
You voted Shinichi without attempting to verify any read on Shinichi. You didn't ask any questions you just voted them. You haven't asked any questions and are spending more time defending your unvote then defending your vote itself.
tom's vouching for manasi + my early not liking her wasn't particularly serious and i'm fine with her now
i don't like Shinichi's interpretation of tom's treatment of me
Vote: Nachomamma8
So, instead of following it up with any questions you just vote them and don't attempt to figure out their alignment?
And that interpretation of what Tom said is 100% accurate if you take it down the rabbit hole. I can understand how Shinichi came to that conclusion.
40 exists; my prod to figure out their alignment came before the vote but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
I also see that Shinichi apparently misread tom's post, which is unfortunate.
Yes, 40 does exist, but you voted Shinichi before they ever had a chance to respond.
Sorry, I can be a lot less lazy with that since tom isn't playing Voxxicus style this game.
My initial vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all; when people interpreted it somewhat seriously, I kind of rode it a little further for reaction's sake, but it was never something I was attached to in the first place. Tom vouching for Manasi when I know they have history is enough reason to stop pushing on page 2, especially when I don't have anything further to prod at. I don't like Shinichi saying that tom punting on his read on me was "just giving me a townread"; there are plenty of valid criticisms to the approach (not even attempting to read me is lazy, allows him to leave options open for later, is unrealistic and unbelievable due to how wildly polarizing I am), but that isn't one of them.
What do you think of that line of thought @DV?
I didn't even view your vote on Manasi as being serious nor did I view the response as being serious. I'd be surprised if you were attached to a RVS vote. I'm more concerned that you felt the need to detail this out as though you were aware of it being a fault.
I don't even understand the second part. If the vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all why then did Tom vouching for Manasi make you stop pushing? Why bring this up? It wasn't a serious vote so you moved off of it to a more serious vote. That seems fair. But you didn't approach it this way you hyper over explained on something that didn't matter, that I never brought up. And have dodged the question entirely.
You voted Shinichi without attempting to verify any read on Shinichi. You didn't ask any questions you just voted them. You haven't asked any questions and are spending more time defending your unvote then defending your vote itself.
didn't dodge the question; just didn't see it.
the vote wasn't serious, but tom vouching for it means that the possibility that i get something useful from it goes to slim to nothing
attacking me for overexplaining is like attacking me for being black; it's an integral part of my character and it's something i thought you knew about me by now?
i asked a question and i voted around the same time. what's wrong with that? why do i need to wait to verify a read on page 2? why do i need to wait to verify a read before voting in general? what's the difference in what I did and what you're doing now?
Sorry, I can be a lot less lazy with that since tom isn't playing Voxxicus style this game.
My initial vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all; when people interpreted it somewhat seriously, I kind of rode it a little further for reaction's sake, but it was never something I was attached to in the first place. Tom vouching for Manasi when I know they have history is enough reason to stop pushing on page 2, especially when I don't have anything further to prod at. I don't like Shinichi saying that tom punting on his read on me was "just giving me a townread"; there are plenty of valid criticisms to the approach (not even attempting to read me is lazy, allows him to leave options open for later, is unrealistic and unbelievable due to how wildly polarizing I am), but that isn't one of them.
What do you think of that line of thought @DV?
I didn't even view your vote on Manasi as being serious nor did I view the response as being serious. I'd be surprised if you were attached to a RVS vote. I'm more concerned that you felt the need to detail this out as though you were aware of it being a fault.
I don't even understand the second part. If the vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all why then did Tom vouching for Manasi make you stop pushing? Why bring this up? It wasn't a serious vote so you moved off of it to a more serious vote. That seems fair. But you didn't approach it this way you hyper over explained on something that didn't matter, that I never brought up. And have dodged the question entirely.
You voted Shinichi without attempting to verify any read on Shinichi. You didn't ask any questions you just voted them. You haven't asked any questions and are spending more time defending your unvote then defending your vote itself.
didn't dodge the question; just didn't see it.
the vote wasn't serious, but tom vouching for it means that the possibility that i get something useful from it goes to slim to nothing
attacking me for overexplaining is like attacking me for being black; it's an integral part of my character and it's something i thought you knew about me by now?
i asked a question and i voted around the same time. what's wrong with that? why do i need to wait to verify a read on page 2? why do i need to wait to verify a read before voting in general? what's the difference in what I did and what you're doing now?
You didn't though.
You asked a question and then voted 5 minutes later as a naked vote?
Sorry, I can be a lot less lazy with that since tom isn't playing Voxxicus style this game.
My initial vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all; when people interpreted it somewhat seriously, I kind of rode it a little further for reaction's sake, but it was never something I was attached to in the first place. Tom vouching for Manasi when I know they have history is enough reason to stop pushing on page 2, especially when I don't have anything further to prod at. I don't like Shinichi saying that tom punting on his read on me was "just giving me a townread"; there are plenty of valid criticisms to the approach (not even attempting to read me is lazy, allows him to leave options open for later, is unrealistic and unbelievable due to how wildly polarizing I am), but that isn't one of them.
What do you think of that line of thought @DV?
I didn't even view your vote on Manasi as being serious nor did I view the response as being serious. I'd be surprised if you were attached to a RVS vote. I'm more concerned that you felt the need to detail this out as though you were aware of it being a fault.
I don't even understand the second part. If the vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all why then did Tom vouching for Manasi make you stop pushing? Why bring this up? It wasn't a serious vote so you moved off of it to a more serious vote. That seems fair. But you didn't approach it this way you hyper over explained on something that didn't matter, that I never brought up. And have dodged the question entirely.
You voted Shinichi without attempting to verify any read on Shinichi. You didn't ask any questions you just voted them. You haven't asked any questions and are spending more time defending your unvote then defending your vote itself.
didn't dodge the question; just didn't see it.
the vote wasn't serious, but tom vouching for it means that the possibility that i get something useful from it goes to slim to nothing
attacking me for overexplaining is like attacking me for being black; it's an integral part of my character and it's something i thought you knew about me by now?
i asked a question and i voted around the same time. what's wrong with that? why do i need to wait to verify a read on page 2? why do i need to wait to verify a read before voting in general? what's the difference in what I did and what you're doing now?
You didn't though.
You asked a question and then voted 5 minutes later as a naked vote?
I asked a question, looked at something else, then realized my vote could be doing something better.
5 minutes is not a large chunk of time at all.
Shinichi, do you have any opinions on what's going on right now (but especially on what tom's doing now that you understand his approach a bit better)?
...
I'm saying she's either town
Or scum with nacho...
So you're making a read on one person based on RVS interaction, that wasn't clear at all, and now means nothing because you are not reading the person that this read relies on?
Shinichi, do you have any opinions on what's going on right now (but especially on what tom's doing now that you understand his approach a bit better)?
I can't decide if this is because I pressured you and all of a sudden you decided you needed to follow up on Shinichi or not.
Shinichi, do you have any opinions on what's going on right now (but especially on what tom's doing now that you understand his approach a bit better)?
I can't decide if this is because I pressured you and all of a sudden you decided you needed to follow up on Shinichi or not.
What's your opinion on Tom's read?
All of the talk about my push on Shinichi did remind me that I should probably follow up with them instead of just letting them phase out completely.
I think that Tom's read is a pretty typical read. I'm assuming that he believes that Manasi's interactions with me are comfortable in a way that's out of her scumrange which means she's comfortable because she's town or she's comfortable because we're scum together and ******* around in scumchat at the same time, which seems like an reasonable and organic enough read (as scum I'd expect he'd force it too early/do it for a bad reason because he's expected to). I don't at all think that he's incapable of doing this as scum.
tom's vouching for manasi + my early not liking her wasn't particularly serious and i'm fine with her now
i don't like Shinichi's interpretation of tom's treatment of me
The fact that your ok with what tom said is actually what worries me, most people should be skeptical if they are getting read nakedly or just getting grouped with others.
tom's vouching for manasi + my early not liking her wasn't particularly serious and i'm fine with her now
i don't like Shinichi's interpretation of tom's treatment of me
The fact that your ok with what tom said is actually what worries me, most people should be skeptical if they are getting read nakedly or just getting grouped with others.
I mean, why should he care? I wouldn't. Question it once of you want, but it's such a small read with so little behind it just giggle and move on.
Making a mountain out of a molehill isn't something I would look to be doing
tom's vouching for manasi + my early not liking her wasn't particularly serious and i'm fine with her now
i don't like Shinichi's interpretation of tom's treatment of me
The fact that your ok with what tom said is actually what worries me, most people should be skeptical if they are getting read nakedly or just getting grouped with others.
i'm not getting read nakedly or grouped with others. i also expanded on the tom read a bit earlier on this page - thoughts there?
When I said she's either town or scum with nacho, I meant she's either town or scum with nacho. There's no valuation there on which is more likely, besides the implied percentages that can be arrived at statistically
Then what was the point of your post, where is anything to back it up? Why did u feel the need to connect to people randomly? Is it because of meta? A past game?
Why make a useless post, or a post only you would understand and then expect others to not get reads from it.
Sorry, I can be a lot less lazy with that since tom isn't playing Voxxicus style this game.
My initial vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all; when people interpreted it somewhat seriously, I kind of rode it a little further for reaction's sake, but it was never something I was attached to in the first place. Tom vouching for Manasi when I know they have history is enough reason to stop pushing on page 2, especially when I don't have anything further to prod at. I don't like Shinichi saying that tom punting on his read on me was "just giving me a townread"; there are plenty of valid criticisms to the approach (not even attempting to read me is lazy, allows him to leave options open for later, is unrealistic and unbelievable due to how wildly polarizing I am), but that isn't one of them.
What do you think of that line of thought @DV?
What does this have to do with another game or play style? We're talking about what tom has posted this game i dont care about anything that involves other games, why are you ok with what tom posted?
Reason people interpreted your vote seriously is because thats how you came across, and unless you know Manasi alignment then how could u set up a reaction test or even a bait. What could you possibly hope to accomplish? No ones gonna follow a vote off a reasoning like what you gave. Again I don't care about history, i don't care about meta, and i espically don't care about past games. I take everything a person says in a game with a grain of salt because people try to use other games or meta tells to bypass the fact they may have done or said something scummy. You shouldnt be ok with what tom said unless your scum is what i am trying to say.
Dv it's two choices. I'm sorry if the order in which I said them makes you think I decided already
I've definitely made it clear now though so what's the problem?
Then your arguement and the arguement Nacho has on me is pretty much invalid because hes basing his read on me due to the fact i misread your statement whihc in fact i didn't.
tom's vouching for manasi + my early not liking her wasn't particularly serious and i'm fine with her now
i don't like Shinichi's interpretation of tom's treatment of me
Vote: Nachomamma8
So, instead of following it up with any questions you just vote them and don't attempt to figure out their alignment?
And that interpretation of what Tom said is 100% accurate if you take it down the rabbit hole. I can understand how Shinichi came to that conclusion.
40 exists; my prod to figure out their alignment came before the vote but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
I also see that Shinichi apparently misread tom's post, which is unfortunate.
I didnt thats the thing, you made me think i did though thats my fault for not back reading.
What does this have to do with another game or play style? We're talking about what tom has posted this game i dont care about anything that involves other games, why are you ok with what tom posted?
Reason people interpreted your vote seriously is because thats how you came across, and unless you know Manasi alignment then how could u set up a reaction test or even a bait. What could you possibly hope to accomplish? No ones gonna follow a vote off a reasoning like what you gave. Again I don't care about history, i don't care about meta, and i espically don't care about past games. I take everything a person says in a game with a grain of salt because people try to use other games or meta tells to bypass the fact they may have done or said something scummy. You shouldnt be ok with what tom said unless your scum is what i am trying to say.
In general, pushing someone as scum forces them to react to you. By saying that what you are doing is more likely to be coming from scum than town, I expect some kind of reaction from you. I don't need people to follow my vote (and I don't expect them to unless Manasi ****s up on her initial reaction).
I don't see how you get from "I don't care about meta" to "you shouldn't be OK with what tom said unless you're scum".
Sorry, I can be a lot less lazy with that since tom isn't playing Voxxicus style this game.
My initial vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all; when people interpreted it somewhat seriously, I kind of rode it a little further for reaction's sake, but it was never something I was attached to in the first place. Tom vouching for Manasi when I know they have history is enough reason to stop pushing on page 2, especially when I don't have anything further to prod at. I don't like Shinichi saying that tom punting on his read on me was "just giving me a townread"; there are plenty of valid criticisms to the approach (not even attempting to read me is lazy, allows him to leave options open for later, is unrealistic and unbelievable due to how wildly polarizing I am), but that isn't one of them.
What do you think of that line of thought @DV?
I didn't even view your vote on Manasi as being serious nor did I view the response as being serious. I'd be surprised if you were attached to a RVS vote. I'm more concerned that you felt the need to detail this out as though you were aware of it being a fault.
I don't even understand the second part. If the vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all why then did Tom vouching for Manasi make you stop pushing? Why bring this up? It wasn't a serious vote so you moved off of it to a more serious vote. That seems fair. But you didn't approach it this way you hyper over explained on something that didn't matter, that I never brought up. And have dodged the question entirely.
You voted Shinichi without attempting to verify any read on Shinichi. You didn't ask any questions you just voted them. You haven't asked any questions and are spending more time defending your unvote then defending your vote itself.
didn't dodge the question; just didn't see it.
the vote wasn't serious, but tom vouching for it means that the possibility that i get something useful from it goes to slim to nothing
attacking me for overexplaining is like attacking me for being black; it's an integral part of my character and it's something i thought you knew about me by now?
i asked a question and i voted around the same time. what's wrong with that? why do i need to wait to verify a read on page 2? why do i need to wait to verify a read before voting in general? what's the difference in what I did and what you're doing now?
Its he said she said
-could be you dodged the question
-could be you didn't see it
-could be you playing the i am blind card
None of it really matters
Over explaining regardless of it being part of your characteristic or playstyle is still something commonly scummy so if you think i would over look it just beacause you apparently do it all the time your quite mistaken my friend.
Empty votes are pointless, it means u voted without thinking. If you're town that was very careless and sloppy play.
Shinichi, do you have any opinions on what's going on right now (but especially on what tom's doing now that you understand his approach a bit better)?
Nothing to really comment on beside the whole tom fiasco which i am pretty sure i have said my piece in the posts above this one.
The excitement.
In particular, the "wow so happy to see you all!!!" - I believe that you've created a friendly and kind persona for yourself so that you're more likable and harder to lynch as a result, but it's emotional manipulation that won't work on me.
@Cantrip Please explain how you think this game is flavor solvable
My flavor is definitely ambiguous in the whole "good/evil" sphere, so I'm fairly certain that it's not. But I wanted to get the ball rolling. I don't think my attempt was very successful, but that's mostly because other things have spurred conversation.
Speaking of which...
*sees Tom and DV throwing memes like girl's underwear at a Tom Jones concert*
*grabs popcorn*
Right now liking Vezok (for openness) and DV (for wanting to solve). Let's get some more robots in here!
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@Mod_Duck: Seriously, will you accept nicknames for the autovoter/what nicknames are already in there?
Shinichi, do you have any opinions on what's going on right now (but especially on what tom's doing now that you understand his approach a bit better)?
I can't decide if this is because I pressured you and all of a sudden you decided you needed to follow up on Shinichi or not.
What's your opinion on Tom's read?
All of the talk about my push on Shinichi did remind me that I should probably follow up with them instead of just letting them phase out completely.
I think that Tom's read is a pretty typical read. I'm assuming that he believes that Manasi's interactions with me are comfortable in a way that's out of her scumrange which means she's comfortable because she's town or she's comfortable because we're scum together and ******* around in scumchat at the same time, which seems like an reasonable and organic enough read (as scum I'd expect he'd force it too early/do it for a bad reason because he's expected to). I don't at all think that he's incapable of doing this as scum.
Ok if you think you understand, where exactly in all the early posts do u think tom was able to connect you 2?
tom's vouching for manasi + my early not liking her wasn't particularly serious and i'm fine with her now
i don't like Shinichi's interpretation of tom's treatment of me
The fact that your ok with what tom said is actually what worries me, most people should be skeptical if they are getting read nakedly or just getting grouped with others.
I mean, why should he care? I wouldn't. Question it once of you want, but it's such a small read with so little behind it just giggle and move on.
Making a mountain out of a molehill isn't something I would look to be doing
Every single post has a reason and can be use to find someones alignment so no i will not ignore small things because they're small. Tom is a really good player i refuse to under estimate him or his reads.
What does this have to do with another game or play style? We're talking about what tom has posted this game i dont care about anything that involves other games, why are you ok with what tom posted?
Reason people interpreted your vote seriously is because thats how you came across, and unless you know Manasi alignment then how could u set up a reaction test or even a bait. What could you possibly hope to accomplish? No ones gonna follow a vote off a reasoning like what you gave. Again I don't care about history, i don't care about meta, and i espically don't care about past games. I take everything a person says in a game with a grain of salt because people try to use other games or meta tells to bypass the fact they may have done or said something scummy. You shouldnt be ok with what tom said unless your scum is what i am trying to say.
In general, pushing someone as scum forces them to react to you. By saying that what you are doing is more likely to be coming from scum than town, I expect some kind of reaction from you. I don't need people to follow my vote (and I don't expect them to unless Manasi ****s up on her initial reaction).
I don't see how you get from "I don't care about meta" to "you shouldn't be OK with what tom said unless you're scum".
Cause you should be skeptical and the fact that you aren't is really telling for me.
@Shinichi: I'm headed out right now, but am currently confused as ***** about the point you're trying to get across here.
My original vote on you is for you saying that Tom was townreading me when what he said is that he wasn't reading me at all for Day 1. I can understand having problems with the position he's taking on me (for the reasons that I outlined already, mostly), but he isn't townreading me. Could you rephrase your problems with tom's approach to me? Why did you say that he was townreading me?
I don't understand why me being OK with Tom's read on Manasi makes me scum. You seem to imply that I probably wouldn't be as fine with it if I didn't have prior experience with him, and that's probably true - I understand that you don't pay attention to past games and that's absolutely your right as a player, but disregarding a bunch of games of experience with someone for nebulous reasons is silly to me, and, as a result, when people bring up meta reasons for reading someone a certain way, I'm not going to dismiss them or be uncomfortable with them just because they're talking about meta. What part of tom's read are you saying that I should be uncomfortable with? Why?
Sorry, I can be a lot less lazy with that since tom isn't playing Voxxicus style this game.
My initial vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all; when people interpreted it somewhat seriously, I kind of rode it a little further for reaction's sake, but it was never something I was attached to in the first place. Tom vouching for Manasi when I know they have history is enough reason to stop pushing on page 2, especially when I don't have anything further to prod at. I don't like Shinichi saying that tom punting on his read on me was "just giving me a townread"; there are plenty of valid criticisms to the approach (not even attempting to read me is lazy, allows him to leave options open for later, is unrealistic and unbelievable due to how wildly polarizing I am), but that isn't one of them.
What do you think of that line of thought @DV?
I didn't even view your vote on Manasi as being serious nor did I view the response as being serious. I'd be surprised if you were attached to a RVS vote. I'm more concerned that you felt the need to detail this out as though you were aware of it being a fault.
I don't even understand the second part. If the vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all why then did Tom vouching for Manasi make you stop pushing? Why bring this up? It wasn't a serious vote so you moved off of it to a more serious vote. That seems fair. But you didn't approach it this way you hyper over explained on something that didn't matter, that I never brought up. And have dodged the question entirely.
You voted Shinichi without attempting to verify any read on Shinichi. You didn't ask any questions you just voted them. You haven't asked any questions and are spending more time defending your unvote then defending your vote itself.
didn't dodge the question; just didn't see it.
the vote wasn't serious, but tom vouching for it means that the possibility that i get something useful from it goes to slim to nothing
attacking me for overexplaining is like attacking me for being black; it's an integral part of my character and it's something i thought you knew about me by now?
i asked a question and i voted around the same time. what's wrong with that? why do i need to wait to verify a read on page 2? why do i need to wait to verify a read before voting in general? what's the difference in what I did and what you're doing now?
Its he said she said
-could be you dodged the question
-could be you didn't see it
-could be you playing the i am blind card
None of it really matters
Over explaining regardless of it being part of your characteristic or playstyle is still something commonly scummy so if you think i would over look it just beacause you apparently do it all the time your quite mistaken my friend.
Empty votes are pointless, it means u voted without thinking. If you're town that was very careless and sloppy play.
Cause you should be skeptical and the fact that you aren't is really telling for me.
I should be skeptical of what?
You're acting like tom is saying that Manasi and I are scum together when the only thing he's done is ruled out the possibility of Manasi!Scum + Nacho!Town.
I also talked about my interpretation of Tom's read in #74. I'm not sure what more you want me to say about it.
Tom has said he doesn't really have a read at all.
His read on Manasi isn't a town read or a scum read. Its a They could be "connected" read? Based off of RVS.
If Tom continues on his madness of ranking people based on Nacho a player he has said he isn't going to read, I swear to god I'm going to scream. Its nonsense.
X could equal Y + 1 and also Z + 2, but I'm never going to define X so it is all just pointless fluff that I'm saying.
DV, I think we've beat this horse long enough.
If it still matters to you in like... 3? 4? pages we can open this can of worms again, but I'm done talking about it for now unless I'm talking with Shinichi.
DV, I think we've beat this horse long enough.
If it still matters to you in like... 3? 4? pages we can open this can of worms again, but I'm done talking about it for now unless I'm talking with Shinichi.
LOL what?
You made a direct claim to Shinichi that Tom hasn't given an opinion on you.
That is clearly wrong.
Am I right or am I wrong? This isn't beating a dead horse because clearly you disagree.
Either that or you are purposefully misrepresenting the game state.
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Vote: Nacho you know why.
@Cantrip Please explain how you think this game is flavor solvable
tom's vouching for manasi + my early not liking her wasn't particularly serious and i'm fine with her now
i don't like Shinichi's interpretation of tom's treatment of me
Yes...
But you said that "Manasi is town unless they are scum with Nacho..."
Which implies that you have to be town reading Nacho right now. You know what I'm just going to ignore it.
Tom is town unless he's scum with anyone two people in the thread. Man what a profound statement right?
Your post is slightly more exact, but its just ugh. I just hate these kind of statements that just mean nothing, yet appear to mean something. Its just fence sitting, yet if I cut out the Nachmama part and read "I'm town reading Manasi" its not and it was a statement I might have agreed with.
You've got some conviction behind it and are attempting to explain it so that's a bonus. Slight town read on Tom for the moment, still waiting on Cantrip, slight town read on Anak for echoing things I'm thinking but not saying in thread.
So, instead of following it up with any questions you just vote them and don't attempt to figure out their alignment?
And that interpretation of what Tom said is 100% accurate if you take it down the rabbit hole. I can understand how Shinichi came to that conclusion.
When I said she's either town or scum with nacho, I meant she's either town or scum with nacho. There's no valuation there on which is more likely, besides the implied percentages that can be arrived at statistically
My initial vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all; when people interpreted it somewhat seriously, I kind of rode it a little further for reaction's sake, but it was never something I was attached to in the first place. Tom vouching for Manasi when I know they have history is enough reason to stop pushing on page 2, especially when I don't have anything further to prod at. I don't like Shinichi saying that tom punting on his read on me was "just giving me a townread"; there are plenty of valid criticisms to the approach (not even attempting to read me is lazy, allows him to leave options open for later, is unrealistic and unbelievable due to how wildly polarizing I am), but that isn't one of them.
What do you think of that line of thought @DV?
I would definitely townread most people for just throwing that bit of town POV in there and not making a big deal about it
It's what azrael calls natural town tells.
But just as AZ knows he can't use that method on me, I know I can't use it on nacho because he and I would totally think to do this as scum and giggle to ourselves if someone notices it and comes to the wrong conclusion
Which is another part of why I have no intention of having a meaningful read on nacho early game, if ever
I'm sorry but what?
Your sentence starts out with the statement
You quite literally said you were town reading Manasi.
Yes I'm wildly aware people will be divided on you and me staying out of it will likely look bad regardless of your flip
Especially if you flip scum since I'll likely imply that I want you to stay in the game just for my own enjoyment if you get run up
I've definitely made it clear now though so what's the problem?
40 exists; my prod to figure out their alignment came before the vote but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
I also see that Shinichi apparently misread tom's post, which is unfortunate.
I didn't even view your vote on Manasi as being serious nor did I view the response as being serious. I'd be surprised if you were attached to a RVS vote. I'm more concerned that you felt the need to detail this out as though you were aware of it being a fault.
I don't even understand the second part. If the vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all why then did Tom vouching for Manasi make you stop pushing? Why bring this up? It wasn't a serious vote so you moved off of it to a more serious vote. That seems fair. But you didn't approach it this way you hyper over explained on something that didn't matter, that I never brought up. And have dodged the question entirely.
You voted Shinichi without attempting to verify any read on Shinichi. You didn't ask any questions you just voted them. You haven't asked any questions and are spending more time defending your unvote then defending your vote itself.
Yes, 40 does exist, but you voted Shinichi before they ever had a chance to respond.
didn't dodge the question; just didn't see it.
the vote wasn't serious, but tom vouching for it means that the possibility that i get something useful from it goes to slim to nothing
attacking me for overexplaining is like attacking me for being black; it's an integral part of my character and it's something i thought you knew about me by now?
i asked a question and i voted around the same time. what's wrong with that? why do i need to wait to verify a read on page 2? why do i need to wait to verify a read before voting in general? what's the difference in what I did and what you're doing now?
You didn't though.
You asked a question and then voted 5 minutes later as a naked vote?
Are you saying they are either T/T or S/S?
I asked a question, looked at something else, then realized my vote could be doing something better.
5 minutes is not a large chunk of time at all.
I'm saying she's either town
Or scum with nacho...
So you're making a read on one person based on RVS interaction, that wasn't clear at all, and now means nothing because you are not reading the person that this read relies on?
What was the purpose of this post then?
I can't decide if this is because I pressured you and all of a sudden you decided you needed to follow up on Shinichi or not.
What's your opinion on Tom's read?
The purpose is i saw a thing and commented on it what the hell are you looking for?
Town players and scum players?
All of the talk about my push on Shinichi did remind me that I should probably follow up with them instead of just letting them phase out completely.
I think that Tom's read is a pretty typical read. I'm assuming that he believes that Manasi's interactions with me are comfortable in a way that's out of her scumrange which means she's comfortable because she's town or she's comfortable because we're scum together and ******* around in scumchat at the same time, which seems like an reasonable and organic enough read (as scum I'd expect he'd force it too early/do it for a bad reason because he's expected to). I don't at all think that he's incapable of doing this as scum.
What did Anak say that you were thinking but not saying in thread?
The fact that your ok with what tom said is actually what worries me, most people should be skeptical if they are getting read nakedly or just getting grouped with others.
I mean, why should he care? I wouldn't. Question it once of you want, but it's such a small read with so little behind it just giggle and move on.
Making a mountain out of a molehill isn't something I would look to be doing
i didn't post a vote without any reasoning; that's what my whole conversation with DV was about.
i'm not getting read nakedly or grouped with others. i also expanded on the tom read a bit earlier on this page - thoughts there?
Then what was the point of your post, where is anything to back it up? Why did u feel the need to connect to people randomly? Is it because of meta? A past game?
Why make a useless post, or a post only you would understand and then expect others to not get reads from it.
What does this have to do with another game or play style? We're talking about what tom has posted this game i dont care about anything that involves other games, why are you ok with what tom posted?
Reason people interpreted your vote seriously is because thats how you came across, and unless you know Manasi alignment then how could u set up a reaction test or even a bait. What could you possibly hope to accomplish? No ones gonna follow a vote off a reasoning like what you gave. Again I don't care about history, i don't care about meta, and i espically don't care about past games. I take everything a person says in a game with a grain of salt because people try to use other games or meta tells to bypass the fact they may have done or said something scummy. You shouldnt be ok with what tom said unless your scum is what i am trying to say.
And ignoring peoples opinions on yourself removes a whole host of options for finding scum.
I get what you're trying to say here, but your conclusion seems dubious.
Then your arguement and the arguement Nacho has on me is pretty much invalid because hes basing his read on me due to the fact i misread your statement whihc in fact i didn't.
Wait what is this post?
I didnt thats the thing, you made me think i did though thats my fault for not back reading.
In general, pushing someone as scum forces them to react to you. By saying that what you are doing is more likely to be coming from scum than town, I expect some kind of reaction from you. I don't need people to follow my vote (and I don't expect them to unless Manasi ****s up on her initial reaction).
I don't see how you get from "I don't care about meta" to "you shouldn't be OK with what tom said unless you're scum".
Its he said she said
-could be you dodged the question
-could be you didn't see it
-could be you playing the i am blind card
None of it really matters
Over explaining regardless of it being part of your characteristic or playstyle is still something commonly scummy so if you think i would over look it just beacause you apparently do it all the time your quite mistaken my friend.
Empty votes are pointless, it means u voted without thinking. If you're town that was very careless and sloppy play.
tom never gave an opinion on me though
Nothing to really comment on beside the whole tom fiasco which i am pretty sure i have said my piece in the posts above this one.
I approve. But only because it's Kpaca.
This feels like a stretch.
I like this guy. I don't think a flavor claim is necessary anymore to start conversation, though.
Wut?
/agree. What did you you think my proposal said about me/why didn't you question me proposing it?
Are you aware that you actually voted for Newcomb because of the quote fail?
My flavor is definitely ambiguous in the whole "good/evil" sphere, so I'm fairly certain that it's not. But I wanted to get the ball rolling. I don't think my attempt was very successful, but that's mostly because other things have spurred conversation.
Speaking of which...
*sees Tom and DV throwing memes like girl's underwear at a Tom Jones concert*
*grabs popcorn*
Right now liking Vezok (for openness) and DV (for wanting to solve). Let's get some more robots in here!
Unvote
@Mod_Duck: Seriously, will you accept nicknames for the autovoter/what nicknames are already in there?
What? So what did you see that linked those 2 together then? Thats what i want answered
Ok if you think you understand, where exactly in all the early posts do u think tom was able to connect you 2?
Every single post has a reason and can be use to find someones alignment so no i will not ignore small things because they're small. Tom is a really good player i refuse to under estimate him or his reads.
Cause you should be skeptical and the fact that you aren't is really telling for me.
My original vote on you is for you saying that Tom was townreading me when what he said is that he wasn't reading me at all for Day 1. I can understand having problems with the position he's taking on me (for the reasons that I outlined already, mostly), but he isn't townreading me. Could you rephrase your problems with tom's approach to me? Why did you say that he was townreading me?
I don't understand why me being OK with Tom's read on Manasi makes me scum. You seem to imply that I probably wouldn't be as fine with it if I didn't have prior experience with him, and that's probably true - I understand that you don't pay attention to past games and that's absolutely your right as a player, but disregarding a bunch of games of experience with someone for nebulous reasons is silly to me, and, as a result, when people bring up meta reasons for reading someone a certain way, I'm not going to dismiss them or be uncomfortable with them just because they're talking about meta. What part of tom's read are you saying that I should be uncomfortable with? Why?
I didn't empty vote.
So...
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I should be skeptical of what?
You're acting like tom is saying that Manasi and I are scum together when the only thing he's done is ruled out the possibility of Manasi!Scum + Nacho!Town.
I also talked about my interpretation of Tom's read in #74. I'm not sure what more you want me to say about it.
DV still could be with nacho, but probably only in the scumnacho/townmanasi world.
This is fun I should play the whole game like this.
Nacho/manasi/?
Nacho/dv/?
[None of these people]
(Not ordered by likelihood)
Please no.
What "Tom read" are you talking about.
Tom has said he doesn't really have a read at all.
His read on Manasi isn't a town read or a scum read. Its a They could be "connected" read? Based off of RVS.
If Tom continues on his madness of ranking people based on Nacho a player he has said he isn't going to read, I swear to god I'm going to scream. Its nonsense.
X could equal Y + 1 and also Z + 2, but I'm never going to define X so it is all just pointless fluff that I'm saying.
It was a general statement though?
And he has given an opinion on you.
He has connected you and Manasi.
That's an opinion on you.
Is it not?
If it still matters to you in like... 3? 4? pages we can open this can of worms again, but I'm done talking about it for now unless I'm talking with Shinichi.
LOL what?
You made a direct claim to Shinichi that Tom hasn't given an opinion on you.
That is clearly wrong.
Am I right or am I wrong? This isn't beating a dead horse because clearly you disagree.
Either that or you are purposefully misrepresenting the game state.