DV, it is a read. It's just not an alignment read.
And I am extremely confident in it.
If you'd like to take it as technically a townread of manasi, you may.
I haven't thought any of their interactions looked actively w/w, and by refusing to read nacho I have him at rand.
And I believe in statistics so she is <rand to be scum.
And nacho guessed my read ~correctly
#16 is not a post I think scum manasi is comfortable making at the scary townie she would know nacho to be
Townmanasi? Sure
Manasi that's buddies with nacho? Absolutely.
And you may not know my experience reading manasi, but I do. Nacho seems to, though I'm not really sure why.
And manasi definitely does but will never admit it.
Take it to the bank (or, I guess, scumread me)
Then why when I pressured you on the read did you say you were not town reading.
I get the read. I understand what you are saying at this point.
Nacho is wrong though about you not having a read on them, you do have a read on them it is that they are connected to Manasi. Which is fine, the read flows from Manasi to Nachomama8. I can understand how you got there.
Shinichi, do you have any opinions on what's going on right now (but especially on what tom's doing now that you understand his approach a bit better)?
I can't decide if this is because I pressured you and all of a sudden you decided you needed to follow up on Shinichi or not.
What's your opinion on Tom's read?
All of the talk about my push on Shinichi did remind me that I should probably follow up with them instead of just letting them phase out completely.
I think that Tom's read is a pretty typical read. I'm assuming that he believes that Manasi's interactions with me are comfortable in a way that's out of her scumrange which means she's comfortable because she's town or she's comfortable because we're scum together and ******* around in scumchat at the same time, which seems like an reasonable and organic enough read (as scum I'd expect he'd force it too early/do it for a bad reason because he's expected to). I don't at all think that he's incapable of doing this as scum.
Ok if you think you understand, where exactly in all the early posts do u think tom was able to connect you 2?
tom's vouching for manasi + my early not liking her wasn't particularly serious and i'm fine with her now
i don't like Shinichi's interpretation of tom's treatment of me
The fact that your ok with what tom said is actually what worries me, most people should be skeptical if they are getting read nakedly or just getting grouped with others.
I mean, why should he care? I wouldn't. Question it once of you want, but it's such a small read with so little behind it just giggle and move on.
Making a mountain out of a molehill isn't something I would look to be doing
Every single post has a reason and can be use to find someones alignment so no i will not ignore small things because they're small. Tom is a really good player i refuse to under estimate him or his reads.
Are you seriously suggesting that every post every player makes is alignment indicative?
I want an analysis of everyone's RVS posts then please
Like yes a lot of what people say can be used to figure their alignment, but Tom is a great example of someone who does a fair number of things without any inclination of his alignment
@Shinichi: I'm headed out right now, but am currently confused as ***** about the point you're trying to get across here.
My original vote on you is for you saying that Tom was townreading me when what he said is that he wasn't reading me at all for Day 1. I can understand having problems with the position he's taking on me (for the reasons that I outlined already, mostly), but he isn't townreading me. Could you rephrase your problems with tom's approach to me? Why did you say that he was townreading me?
I don't understand why me being OK with Tom's read on Manasi makes me scum. You seem to imply that I probably wouldn't be as fine with it if I didn't have prior experience with him, and that's probably true - I understand that you don't pay attention to past games and that's absolutely your right as a player, but disregarding a bunch of games of experience with someone for nebulous reasons is silly to me, and, as a result, when people bring up meta reasons for reading someone a certain way, I'm not going to dismiss them or be uncomfortable with them just because they're talking about meta. What part of tom's read are you saying that I should be uncomfortable with? Why?
Ahh see i went an reread his post, i ended up confusing you and manashi. I should have been poking at him for those reasosn not you, i just got really tunneled on you due to you being ok with how tom was playing the situation. So you're correct tom isnt town reading you atleast not yet.
I still do have problems though, like how you were just ok with what tom's been doing. You as a player are welcome to use reads, but me as a player will not consider them when looking at your reasoning for a player. If you Say A is scum because he did the same as A in another game then i will just ignore it because thats just wifom.
Sorry, I can be a lot less lazy with that since tom isn't playing Voxxicus style this game.
My initial vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all; when people interpreted it somewhat seriously, I kind of rode it a little further for reaction's sake, but it was never something I was attached to in the first place. Tom vouching for Manasi when I know they have history is enough reason to stop pushing on page 2, especially when I don't have anything further to prod at. I don't like Shinichi saying that tom punting on his read on me was "just giving me a townread"; there are plenty of valid criticisms to the approach (not even attempting to read me is lazy, allows him to leave options open for later, is unrealistic and unbelievable due to how wildly polarizing I am), but that isn't one of them.
What do you think of that line of thought @DV?
I didn't even view your vote on Manasi as being serious nor did I view the response as being serious. I'd be surprised if you were attached to a RVS vote. I'm more concerned that you felt the need to detail this out as though you were aware of it being a fault.
I don't even understand the second part. If the vote on Manasi wasn't serious at all why then did Tom vouching for Manasi make you stop pushing? Why bring this up? It wasn't a serious vote so you moved off of it to a more serious vote. That seems fair. But you didn't approach it this way you hyper over explained on something that didn't matter, that I never brought up. And have dodged the question entirely.
You voted Shinichi without attempting to verify any read on Shinichi. You didn't ask any questions you just voted them. You haven't asked any questions and are spending more time defending your unvote then defending your vote itself.
didn't dodge the question; just didn't see it.
the vote wasn't serious, but tom vouching for it means that the possibility that i get something useful from it goes to slim to nothing
attacking me for overexplaining is like attacking me for being black; it's an integral part of my character and it's something i thought you knew about me by now?
i asked a question and i voted around the same time. what's wrong with that? why do i need to wait to verify a read on page 2? why do i need to wait to verify a read before voting in general? what's the difference in what I did and what you're doing now?
Its he said she said
-could be you dodged the question
-could be you didn't see it
-could be you playing the i am blind card
None of it really matters
Over explaining regardless of it being part of your characteristic or playstyle is still something commonly scummy so if you think i would over look it just beacause you apparently do it all the time your quite mistaken my friend.
Empty votes are pointless, it means u voted without thinking. If you're town that was very careless and sloppy play.
I didn't empty vote.
So...
...
...?
It was because the reasons were made clear before the vote or at the time of the vote.
Cause you should be skeptical and the fact that you aren't is really telling for me.
I should be skeptical of what?
You're acting like tom is saying that Manasi and I are scum together when the only thing he's done is ruled out the possibility of Manasi!Scum + Nacho!Town.
I also talked about my interpretation of Tom's read in #74. I'm not sure what more you want me to say about it.
At this point i guess nothing, since you don't seem to care to change ur view of tom lol.
Because its definitely can be alignment indicative. I'd agree with Shinichi every post is alignment indicative, just because we all suck and can't figure it out doesn't mean that they are not. Think about playing scum, every post has reason. Every town post is trying to do something to.
If it isn't then why post it? People don't just do stuff for LOL reasons. There is always purpose behind it.
I literally don't even know how to respond to the assertion that every post is alignment indicative
And I'm kind of appalled DV agrees with it.
I'm not saying on a micro level they are but on a macro level. Well, I do think a micro level too, but not in a way that us mere mortals can analyze it.
Umm mmm, what's the best way for me to get into this without requiring someone to have an advanced understanding of psychology.
Players make distinct decisions when posting. On what pings them, where to focus, what to ask, etc etc etc. The list is enormous. Players make these decisions of whether to bus, who to RVS, when to post, what to bring up in order to influence the game. Maybe not all posts, but the vast majority of them say 95% + are alignment indicative. These behaviors actions add up to an alignment.
With perfect information(Minus who is scum), and I'm talking player psychological profiles, behaviors etc. I think within the first 200 posts it would be possible to determine the entire scum team. Now can we humans do this? No. There are just too many variables for us to understand. However, I do think that all posts do have the potential to be alignment indicative. I really do think RVS have the potential to give off massive tells. I know when I'm scum I generally think about who to vote if I'm going to do so. A solution would be for me to put all the names in a generator and vote that one. Would you be able to know I did that? No. But it would be alignment indicative.
So, yeah I think the vast majority if not all of them are alignment indicative. Can I tell you what each post means and why? **** no. But at as a core concept I think that saying otherwise is wrong.
Lmao what the hell is going on in here, this is one of the weirdest day starts I've ever seen.
tom up in here talking about transitive properties and *****. Son you think this is math class?
Whatever it's hilarious how much people are talking about it. I'll bite. So if nacho flips scum then we lynch Manasi next right. But if Manasi flips town at that point then we know Tom's full of it and needs to die.
Who's with me?
Vote: Nachomaama8
side note does anyone here jam EDM cause I can guarantee I'll be linking tunes later when the game get's hyphy. Let's go
Tom has said he doesn't really have a read at all.
His read on Manasi isn't a town read or a scum read. Its a They could be "connected" read? Based off of RVS.
If Tom continues on his madness of ranking people based on Nacho a player he has said he isn't going to read, I swear to god I'm going to scream. Its nonsense.
X could equal Y + 1 and also Z + 2, but I'm never going to define X so it is all just pointless fluff that I'm saying.
not sure what to think as this point, tom is literally mindlessly connecting people and you got nacho who is ok with that for reasons unknown.
DV, I think we've beat this horse long enough.
If it still matters to you in like... 3? 4? pages we can open this can of worms again, but I'm done talking about it for now unless I'm talking with Shinichi.
I aint the only person in the game sorry to say, so if dv wants to chime in hes welcome too.
@dv if you actually believe that you should probably stop trying to read me entirely. 95% sounds insane to me. Obviously different for each player but id guess the average is around 25.
DV, it is a read. It's just not an alignment read.
And I am extremely confident in it.
If you'd like to take it as technically a townread of manasi, you may.
I haven't thought any of their interactions looked actively w/w, and by refusing to read nacho I have him at rand.
And I believe in statistics so she is <rand to be scum.
And nacho guessed my read ~correctly
#16 is not a post I think scum manasi is comfortable making at the scary townie she would know nacho to be
Townmanasi? Sure
Manasi that's buddies with nacho? Absolutely.
And you may not know my experience reading manasi, but I do. Nacho seems to, though I'm not really sure why.
And manasi definitely does but will never admit it.
Take it to the bank (or, I guess, scumread me)
I dont get it? How are you comfortable with such a quick read?
Actually how can u be confident with a read thats NAI that makes no sense, what even is your read then? Also what town player refuses to read someone, my brain ******* hurts. What stats though?
How can he guess a read that doesnt exist no alignments were called. So now nacho is town? I am so confused its not even funny.
Shinichi, do you have any opinions on what's going on right now (but especially on what tom's doing now that you understand his approach a bit better)?
I can't decide if this is because I pressured you and all of a sudden you decided you needed to follow up on Shinichi or not.
What's your opinion on Tom's read?
All of the talk about my push on Shinichi did remind me that I should probably follow up with them instead of just letting them phase out completely.
I think that Tom's read is a pretty typical read. I'm assuming that he believes that Manasi's interactions with me are comfortable in a way that's out of her scumrange which means she's comfortable because she's town or she's comfortable because we're scum together and ******* around in scumchat at the same time, which seems like an reasonable and organic enough read (as scum I'd expect he'd force it too early/do it for a bad reason because he's expected to). I don't at all think that he's incapable of doing this as scum.
Ok if you think you understand, where exactly in all the early posts do u think tom was able to connect you 2?
tom's vouching for manasi + my early not liking her wasn't particularly serious and i'm fine with her now
i don't like Shinichi's interpretation of tom's treatment of me
The fact that your ok with what tom said is actually what worries me, most people should be skeptical if they are getting read nakedly or just getting grouped with others.
I mean, why should he care? I wouldn't. Question it once of you want, but it's such a small read with so little behind it just giggle and move on.
Making a mountain out of a molehill isn't something I would look to be doing
Every single post has a reason and can be use to find someones alignment so no i will not ignore small things because they're small. Tom is a really good player i refuse to under estimate him or his reads.
Are you seriously suggesting that every post every player makes is alignment indicative?
I want an analysis of everyone's RVS posts then please
Like yes a lot of what people say can be used to figure their alignment, but Tom is a great example of someone who does a fair number of things without any inclination of his alignment
Everything can be connected somewhere and i wont frutlessly analyze rvs votes, where would that even lead me
Because its definitely can be alignment indicative. I'd agree with Shinichi every post is alignment indicative, just because we all suck and can't figure it out doesn't mean that they are not. Think about playing scum, every post has reason. Every town post is trying to do something to.
If it isn't then why post it? People don't just do stuff for LOL reasons. There is always purpose behind it.
I literally don't even know how to respond to the assertion that every post is alignment indicative
And I'm kind of appalled DV agrees with it.
It makes sense every post made has a reason to it, espically as scum. Idk how you could honestly think otherwise, so your telling me as town you post random nai useless ***** for funs and giggles? @tom
Lmao what the hell is going on in here, this is one of the weirdest day starts I've ever seen.
tom up in here talking about transitive properties and *****. Son you think this is math class?
Whatever it's hilarious how much people are talking about it. I'll bite. So if nacho flips scum then we lynch Manasi next right. But if Manasi flips town at that point then we know Tom's full of it and needs to die.
Who's with me?
Vote: Nachomaama8
side note does anyone here jam EDM cause I can guarantee I'll be linking tunes later when the game get's hyphy. Let's go
@dv if you actually believe that you should probably stop trying to read me entirely. 95% sounds insane to me. Obviously different for each player but id guess the average is around 25.
Depends on those who are willing to figure out the game and what not
@dv if you actually believe that you should probably stop trying to read me entirely. 95% sounds insane to me. Obviously different for each player but id guess the average is around 25.
@dv if you actually believe that you should probably stop trying to read me entirely. 95% sounds insane to me. Obviously different for each player but id guess the average is around 25.
I mean we still have like two weeks right? Anything could happen.
Like a wagon could start on tom instead cause he's too scared to explain openwolfing you feel me?
Vote: tomsloger
I can take a stab at answering that, but you might want Tom to answer first. Be warned though his version of power wolfing is more like power chihuahuaing
I feel like you're above average at it but if you think 95% of posts are AI it's been blind luck apparently.
Still deciding if I believe that you think that and if that even matters
Did you read what I wrote? Us mere mortals(Myself included) probabally can't figure most posts out. I think they are AI but I'm unable to tell you why or how. Its like you read half of what I wrote then started attacking what I said.
No I read it all. It's great you aren't actually trying to get reads off every post or whatever.
I'm saying if you actually believe it's true you are not qualified to read me (or possibly anyone, still thinking about it)
I just don't get why that's crazy and why you're attempting to invalidate anything I have to say.
If a super computer possessed correct knowledge of human behavior it could predict down to the T what a person would say. Same ***** here. It would know who was scum based off of what was posted. Its just simple psychology.
It's still a game in which people actively try to subvert expectations and patterns and know they're being observed, so it's still wrong even ignoring the faulty premise.
Whoops I was gonna stop talking about it gonna read the other games now
It's still a game in which people actively try to subvert expectations and patterns and know they're being observed, so it's still wrong even ignoring the faulty premise.
Whoops I was gonna stop talking about it gonna read the other games now
You're 100% right.
Hence posts have meaning.
What they mean is another story.
I've got Shin as town, may say more once Eco says some things.
And I am extremely confident in it.
If you'd like to take it as technically a townread of manasi, you may.
I haven't thought any of their interactions looked actively w/w, and by refusing to read nacho I have him at rand.
And I believe in statistics so she is <rand to be scum.
And nacho guessed my read ~correctly
#16 is not a post I think scum manasi is comfortable making at the scary townie she would know nacho to be
Townmanasi? Sure
Manasi that's buddies with nacho? Absolutely.
And you may not know my experience reading manasi, but I do. Nacho seems to, though I'm not really sure why.
And manasi definitely does but will never admit it.
Take it to the bank (or, I guess, scumread me)
Alright see you guys in 72 hours.
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Then why when I pressured you on the read did you say you were not town reading.
I get the read. I understand what you are saying at this point.
Nacho is wrong though about you not having a read on them, you do have a read on them it is that they are connected to Manasi. Which is fine, the read flows from Manasi to Nachomama8. I can understand how you got there.
Its post like this that feel disingenuous to me.
You've got some read now on me flowing from me to Nacho or Nacho to me?
Its just too much Nacho involved in worlds with the "I'm not going to read Nacho" part. Which is the only way to figure out if your worlds make sense.
Are you seriously suggesting that every post every player makes is alignment indicative?
I want an analysis of everyone's RVS posts then please
Like yes a lot of what people say can be used to figure their alignment, but Tom is a great example of someone who does a fair number of things without any inclination of his alignment
Ahh see i went an reread his post, i ended up confusing you and manashi. I should have been poking at him for those reasosn not you, i just got really tunneled on you due to you being ok with how tom was playing the situation. So you're correct tom isnt town reading you atleast not yet.
I still do have problems though, like how you were just ok with what tom's been doing. You as a player are welcome to use reads, but me as a player will not consider them when looking at your reasoning for a player. If you Say A is scum because he did the same as A in another game then i will just ignore it because thats just wifom.
It was because the reasons were made clear before the vote or at the time of the vote.
At this point i guess nothing, since you don't seem to care to change ur view of tom lol.
I hate you so much lol, like what do i have to do with nacho.
Do you not look at people's RVS?
Because its definitely can be alignment indicative. I'd agree with Shinichi every post is alignment indicative, just because we all suck and can't figure it out doesn't mean that they are not. Think about playing scum, every post has reason. Every town post is trying to do something to.
If it isn't then why post it? People don't just do stuff for LOL reasons. There is always purpose behind it.
And I'm kind of appalled DV agrees with it.
I'm not saying on a micro level they are but on a macro level. Well, I do think a micro level too, but not in a way that us mere mortals can analyze it.
Umm mmm, what's the best way for me to get into this without requiring someone to have an advanced understanding of psychology.
Players make distinct decisions when posting. On what pings them, where to focus, what to ask, etc etc etc. The list is enormous. Players make these decisions of whether to bus, who to RVS, when to post, what to bring up in order to influence the game. Maybe not all posts, but the vast majority of them say 95% + are alignment indicative. These behaviors actions add up to an alignment.
With perfect information(Minus who is scum), and I'm talking player psychological profiles, behaviors etc. I think within the first 200 posts it would be possible to determine the entire scum team. Now can we humans do this? No. There are just too many variables for us to understand. However, I do think that all posts do have the potential to be alignment indicative. I really do think RVS have the potential to give off massive tells. I know when I'm scum I generally think about who to vote if I'm going to do so. A solution would be for me to put all the names in a generator and vote that one. Would you be able to know I did that? No. But it would be alignment indicative.
So, yeah I think the vast majority if not all of them are alignment indicative. Can I tell you what each post means and why? **** no. But at as a core concept I think that saying otherwise is wrong.
tom up in here talking about transitive properties and *****. Son you think this is math class?
Whatever it's hilarious how much people are talking about it. I'll bite. So if nacho flips scum then we lynch Manasi next right. But if Manasi flips town at that point then we know Tom's full of it and needs to die.
Who's with me?
Vote: Nachomaama8
side note does anyone here jam EDM cause I can guarantee I'll be linking tunes later when the game get's hyphy. Let's go
Great I try to come in with a swagged out post and typo my first vote. GG I bet people are gonna think I'm outed scum or something now.
Nah just a rabid town dog here boys n girls. Come at me fam
I aint the only person in the game sorry to say, so if dv wants to chime in hes welcome too.
@dv if you actually believe that you should probably stop trying to read me entirely. 95% sounds insane to me. Obviously different for each player but id guess the average is around 25.
nah you wanna explain the term to me? I'm new here.
Just leave out the algebra this time, I'm not in the mood to be taking fourier transforms right now to filter out the noise.
I'm amazed this place has survived, most haven't. My homesite is pretty old skool too. Hoping to meet some cool likeminded peeps
I dont get it? How are you comfortable with such a quick read?
Actually how can u be confident with a read thats NAI that makes no sense, what even is your read then? Also what town player refuses to read someone, my brain ******* hurts. What stats though?
How can he guess a read that doesnt exist no alignments were called. So now nacho is town? I am so confused its not even funny.
At the same time some mafia teams actually prefer to keep me alive cause I can be really easily swayed like a dunce.
I wonder which category you guys are gonna fall under.
Everything can be connected somewhere and i wont frutlessly analyze rvs votes, where would that even lead me
It makes sense every post made has a reason to it, espically as scum. Idk how you could honestly think otherwise, so your telling me as town you post random nai useless ***** for funs and giggles? @tom
Is your name a Parasyte reference cause that would be dope AF. LOL
Tom is a confusing math professor it seems
i like this idea
Vote:Nachomaama8
Depends on those who are willing to figure out the game and what not
Am i wrong?
\o i know what it is, pick me pick me
Nope its Detective Conan Reference
Wait did you just lowkey copy my typo vote on purpose to trick me? LOL
be careful yo
and ah Conan is sweet too. Ain't got no hype ass soundtrack like this tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HUwGFVeN04
Like if you think two peeps are buddies wouldn't you wanna take that 50/50 chance and hope one was scum so you catch two at once?
Live a little homie
I'm very confidant in my ability to read you.
Mmmm.
Confident.
Thanks phone posting.
Like a wagon could start on tom instead cause he's too scared to explain openwolfing you feel me?
Vote: tomsloger
Still deciding if I believe that you think that and if that even matters
I can take a stab at answering that, but you might want Tom to answer first. Be warned though his version of power wolfing is more like power chihuahuaing
Did you read what I wrote? Us mere mortals(Myself included) probabally can't figure most posts out. I think they are AI but I'm unable to tell you why or how. Its like you read half of what I wrote then started attacking what I said.
I'm saying if you actually believe it's true you are not qualified to read me (or possibly anyone, still thinking about it)
I just don't get why that's crazy and why you're attempting to invalidate anything I have to say.
If a super computer possessed correct knowledge of human behavior it could predict down to the T what a person would say. Same ***** here. It would know who was scum based off of what was posted. Its just simple psychology.
Disagree extremely strongly
Not sure this is a fruitful conversation, but I think it might explain some stuff if you aren't just bull*****ting scum
You're fundamentally disagreeing with all of Psychology, but you do you.
Again. Not a fruitful discussion.
What you think of shin?
It's still a game in which people actively try to subvert expectations and patterns and know they're being observed, so it's still wrong even ignoring the faulty premise.
Whoops I was gonna stop talking about it gonna read the other games now
You're 100% right.
Hence posts have meaning.
What they mean is another story.
I've got Shin as town, may say more once Eco says some things.
Not gonna have time to sit down and play this until ~Friday.