I think you're kind of tinfoiling at the wind a bit, RE. Really don't think that interaction is ever w/w, just too gross to fake. I think it's kind of villagery that you've sunk your teeth into it the way you have when it's so unpopular, but think you're pretty off base. I wouldn't be completely shocked if one of them is a wolf, but think both of them are approximately never.
And I guess I would be kind of surprised if one of them was a wolf given they probably aren't wolves with Ara, but I'll do that re-reading over night to check on those interactions.
*sigh*
It's not a tinfoil.
Being a gut reader sucks.
I am sympathetic as ppl do not get my way of thinking. Make you a deal, if you die Osie comes out of my PoE. If I die, you focus on Scarlet.
I am sympathetic as ppl do not get my way of thinking. Make you a deal, if you die Osie comes out of my PoE. If I die, you focus on Scarlet.
You don't need to die for me to focus on Scarlet. I only moved onto Osie because with 2 votes (me and you) on Scarlet she wasn't getting lynched. But yes, I'm fine with that.
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First off, you weren't being pressured particularly when you contradicted yourself on me. But you don't seem to want to talk about that. So I'll give you the chances I gave Phraze in ZE.
Your only world is Voxx-Osie-Titus. Talk to me about the interactions and why that's the team. Talk to me about why you have no other worlds.
If you don't want to talk about your posts or your reads, talk to me about the wagon person by person. Why are Voxx and I the most likely to be scum in your mind out of all five people voting you?
If you don't want to talk about your reads or other people's reads on you, then talk to me about other people's reads on others. I'll let you pick the people.
If you don't want to talk about that, well, here's a questionnaire of other questions:
1. How did you decide on a profile picture?
2. What do you think makes an ideal town player? An ideal scum player?
3. Do you drink? If so, what's your favorite wine? (From a bottle.) Why?
4. What's your favorite wine? (Source for the Mafia kind of wine.) Why?
5. If you were to associate yourself with three anime characters, one to represent how you ideally want to be seen by people, one to represent how you worry about being seen by people, and one to represent how you think people might see you in a more null context, who would you choose and why?
6. Which do you think is more important to a game of Mafia: A positive attitude, or a careful thought-process? Why?
7. Who here other than yourself has the most appealing avatar, and why?
8. In the early game, are you most concerned about pocketing, bussing, powerwolfing, buddying, or some other common scumtell? Why?
9. What does this image represent to you?
10. Mafia is all about an uninformed majority and informed minority. It can be hard for scum to hide their knowledge. What do you feel is the best way within the rules of the game for scum to do that, and why?
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A. Out of questions 1-10, which questions do you think help me to discern your alignment? Why?
B. I like to put myself as confirmed town and everyone else at null, then push people in my reads one way or another based on what I think of their posts as the thread goes on. Is that a good scumhunting method? Why or why not?
C. Is that a good townclearing method? Why or why not?
D. Throughout this thread, a lot of questions have been thrown around. Do you think questioning people is the best method of form reads, or is something else, like mechanics discussion, tangentially-related discussion, or another method better?
E. Take the player who is your strongest scumread at the moment. What do you think their answers to these questions would be?
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I. Out of questions A-E, which questions do you think help me to discern your alignment? Why?
II. If you were to pick any player to answer any selection of these questions, who would you pick for which questions, and why?
Having trouble parsing my thoughts looking at some of those questions. Is this something you put together before or is it something you just now dashed off?
Having trouble parsing my thoughts looking at some of those questions. Is this something you put together before or is it something you just now dashed off?
You sound like you should be voting Osie right now.
I think you ought to be, no?
Or is this an attempt at distancing?
Other questions:
Why were the Osie/ScarletC interactions gross? I think it crosses a bit of a line if it's T/W - but W/W, totally within the boundaries of acceptable. Why is that not the case for you?
Ignoring that interaction, what would your reads on them be? Have they done anything specifically townie in your eyes?
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I think they're both probably town if I ignore that interaction completely, but it's on the lighter side of town reads? Osie is mislynch bait, and maybe I'm slightly overcorrecting on him, but I don't think he's a wolf with Ara, so no chance I'm voting him today.
I think it's super gross to fake as w/w and arguably even if w/t, which is why I'm calling them town. I think it's beneath them to engage in that kind of borderline angleshooting posting, which makes it all genuine. I just don't super enjoy talking about it, but like. I promise that if the gamestate indicates I'm wrong somewhere, I'll go back to it and evaluate them more seriously independently, but I really don't think this is ever w/w there. I don't...really understand how you do, frankly.
That weird ass 'if you flip town here just lynch me' thing, followed by Osie offering to replace out of the game so they don't have to play together is just ???? never two wolves.
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I meant to wake up early and at least get out the rest of my team thoughts, but I haven't slept for a few days so. I tried to skim to catch up, but I'm pretty mentally numb at the moment and pretty much everything I read pinged me, which is probably more a result of how I'm feeling at the moment than anything else.
Sorry I know this is inconvenient but I can't really deal with mafia at the moment.
I can't remember the game I played with empoof but honestly it's so similar. It was so long ago that it's probably wildly different in terms of his posting, but his tone and his general posting style just screams the same to me
I will link it tomorrow if I find it
I wouldn't mind talking about Empoof tomorrow, I think he's probably town, but the way he's so insistent on town reading me kind of has me tilting my head back and forth a little bit.
I don't really think I've been out of my wolf range much this game, except maybe my recent push on Ara. It's possible it's a team based thing, but I kind of doubt either of his teammates would be there as town on me either, so.
I'm expecting Ara to flip red, so will give things to look at wrt him anyways.
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If we are both town, what is the gamestate to you right now and why?
Let's pretend you get lynched here and flip v, but I'm a day 3 activated innocent child or something, modconfirmed town.
If you're town, that would change things a lot!!
Osieorb would still be mafia, even just off of his posts here at EoD; it doesn't feel like anyone else has even suspected you yet along with me though? So there's that; I'd probably take a look at the interaction where you suspected me and look there!!!
If we're both town though, the gamestate as it is right now in terms of wagons doesn't change much, I think, seeing as no one's voting you here!!
Would like more words on your reads assuming I'm confirmed town. You're getting lynched, it's 9 minutes, need majority, etc. Legacy time.
And for what it's worth, if you're actually town here, sorry about the push, but when all 3 of the team agree on a scum read I'm never not tunneling it. (And I really don't think you're town, Lissa and Visor never have you pushing me early on D1 imo)
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Okay well I'm going to assume I can because of team chat thoughts, and no it certainly was not a hit!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obviously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rip.
Sorry. Kinda. More sorry that I wasn't able to be around more through the day to dance about it, but I still have trouble believing your team felt pushing me that early was at all a good idea.
Kill Osieorb tomorrow!!!!!!!!!! Always always kill Osieorb tomorrow!!! ISO him at EoD and just, make sure you kill him!!!!!! If there's a vig, feel free to shoot him!!!
All that stuff!!!!!!!
This feels like anti-spew
Sorry for still doubting your alignment when it shouldn't matter since you're flipping, but this doesn't seem very villagery...
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What do I even do in this time? I've already said practically everything I want to say: I want Osieorb dead most of all, second Voxx/Titus depending on my teams reads...
Also Empoof is locktown forever never rescinding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alright why? Do you think Scarlet and Empoof are town?
I guess I don't hate a vig on Osie, I personally think he's town, but it's almost certainly the lynch tomorrow regardless of my opinion and it'd let us have a more productive day and look at who was pushing him.
Okay well I'm going to assume I can because of team chat thoughts, and no it certainly was not a hit!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obviously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rip.
Sorry. Kinda. More sorry that I wasn't able to be around more through the day to dance about it, but I still have trouble believing your team felt pushing me that early was at all a good idea.
Kill Osieorb tomorrow!!!!!!!!!! Always always kill Osieorb tomorrow!!! ISO him at EoD and just, make sure you kill him!!!!!! If there's a vig, feel free to shoot him!!!
All that stuff!!!!!!!
This feels like anti-spew
Sorry for still doubting your alignment when it shouldn't matter since you're flipping, but this doesn't seem very villagery...
Kill Osieorb tomorrow!!!!!!!!!! Always always kill Osieorb tomorrow!!! ISO him at EoD and just, make sure you kill him!!!!!! If there's a vig, feel free to shoot him!!!
All that stuff!!!!!!!
This feels like anti-spew
Sorry for still doubting your alignment when it shouldn't matter since you're flipping, but this doesn't seem very villagery...
What is the point of saying this when I'm flipping soon anyway?
Also when will my flip be posted? Because I want to go do other things, but if it's in a few minutes, I'll stick around!!!
Talk about RE and Trob before you go? Flip could be in a few minutes or could be a few hours. I'd probably say closer to minutes than hours though.
What is the point of saying this when I'm flipping soon anyway?
Also when will my flip be posted? Because I want to go do other things, but if it's in a few minutes, I'll stick around!!!
When did you become so confident in Osie being town? Admittedly I haven't been reading the past two pages closely because EoD confusion but you were saying before that Osie and Scarlet were T/T, and now you're saying your entire team agrees that Osie is scum? When did that happen?
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Seems disingenuous to want to push people if Ara v
Given that you were the biggest proponent of that wagon
Don't really like it at all
When do we get the flip? Would a wolf normally just admit it at this point?
Don't really care if you like it. If she's a villager, then I'll look at who else was pushing the wagon/sheeping reasoning/not having a valid progression/avoiding wagon, etc.
Think Titus is a pretty likely wolf in Ara V world almost explicitly because of the way they avoided the wagon until the end while still calling her scum.
What is the point of saying this when I'm flipping soon anyway?
Also when will my flip be posted? Because I want to go do other things, but if it's in a few minutes, I'll stick around!!!
When did you become so confident in Osie being town? Admittedly I haven't been reading the past two pages closely because EoD confusion but you were saying before that Osie and Scarlet were T/T, and now you're saying your entire team agrees that Osie is scum? When did that happen?
Scum
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I'll grant you the question post was weird as *****. I'm just not sure it makes him a wolf, because 'weird as *****' is basically what I think of his town game a lot of the time heh. That feels kind of mean, but whatever.
I guess I'm fine with him just being vigged and resolved, but I think Titus is significantly more likely to be a wolf of the two.
If it's about Titus voting Empoof instead of Ara, she's mentioned an Empoof/Scarlet team earlier when Empoof unvoted Scarlet for Osie. I don't think it makes her town automatically, but it was definitely something she had in mind prior (so not entirely *weird*).
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I am sympathetic as ppl do not get my way of thinking. Make you a deal, if you die Osie comes out of my PoE. If I die, you focus on Scarlet.
First off, you weren't being pressured particularly when you contradicted yourself on me. But you don't seem to want to talk about that. So I'll give you the chances I gave Phraze in ZE.
Your only world is Voxx-Osie-Titus. Talk to me about the interactions and why that's the team. Talk to me about why you have no other worlds.
If you don't want to talk about your posts or your reads, talk to me about the wagon person by person. Why are Voxx and I the most likely to be scum in your mind out of all five people voting you?
If you don't want to talk about your reads or other people's reads on you, then talk to me about other people's reads on others. I'll let you pick the people.
If you don't want to talk about that, well, here's a questionnaire of other questions:
1. How did you decide on a profile picture?
2. What do you think makes an ideal town player? An ideal scum player?
3. Do you drink? If so, what's your favorite wine? (From a bottle.) Why?
4. What's your favorite wine? (Source for the Mafia kind of wine.) Why?
5. If you were to associate yourself with three anime characters, one to represent how you ideally want to be seen by people, one to represent how you worry about being seen by people, and one to represent how you think people might see you in a more null context, who would you choose and why?
6. Which do you think is more important to a game of Mafia: A positive attitude, or a careful thought-process? Why?
7. Who here other than yourself has the most appealing avatar, and why?
8. In the early game, are you most concerned about pocketing, bussing, powerwolfing, buddying, or some other common scumtell? Why?
9. What does this image represent to you?
10. Mafia is all about an uninformed majority and informed minority. It can be hard for scum to hide their knowledge. What do you feel is the best way within the rules of the game for scum to do that, and why?
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A. Out of questions 1-10, which questions do you think help me to discern your alignment? Why?
B. I like to put myself as confirmed town and everyone else at null, then push people in my reads one way or another based on what I think of their posts as the thread goes on. Is that a good scumhunting method? Why or why not?
C. Is that a good townclearing method? Why or why not?
D. Throughout this thread, a lot of questions have been thrown around. Do you think questioning people is the best method of form reads, or is something else, like mechanics discussion, tangentially-related discussion, or another method better?
E. Take the player who is your strongest scumread at the moment. What do you think their answers to these questions would be?
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I. Out of questions A-E, which questions do you think help me to discern your alignment? Why?
II. If you were to pick any player to answer any selection of these questions, who would you pick for which questions, and why?
I'm not... sure that's the best use of probably 20 of those minutes to fully answer that, if Ara is actually town.
Especially given like, half of it is... kind of useless.
Where’s the lynch
If we are both town, what is the gamestate to you right now and why?
Let's pretend you get lynched here and flip v, but I'm a day 3 activated innocent child or something, modconfirmed town.
I think you ought to be, no?
Or is this an attempt at distancing?
Other questions:
Why were the Osie/ScarletC interactions gross? I think it crosses a bit of a line if it's T/W - but W/W, totally within the boundaries of acceptable. Why is that not the case for you?
Ignoring that interaction, what would your reads on them be? Have they done anything specifically townie in your eyes?
I think we should lynch osie
Voxx tunneled
I think it's super gross to fake as w/w and arguably even if w/t, which is why I'm calling them town. I think it's beneath them to engage in that kind of borderline angleshooting posting, which makes it all genuine. I just don't super enjoy talking about it, but like. I promise that if the gamestate indicates I'm wrong somewhere, I'll go back to it and evaluate them more seriously independently, but I really don't think this is ever w/w there. I don't...really understand how you do, frankly.
That weird ass 'if you flip town here just lynch me' thing, followed by Osie offering to replace out of the game so they don't have to play together is just ???? never two wolves.
The osie wagon has both Ara and Empoof. I ain't touchint it
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Foopme - 2 (Grapefruit21, MarkoRaj)
ScarletCelestial - 1 (Scarlet Rage)
Not Voting - 1 (Trobairitz)
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Possibly not Titus, though Titus dismissing Osie wagon because Ara and Empoof are on it, but then voting Empoof over Ara is kind of weird.
Think we have to move onto Ara.
Sorry I know this is inconvenient but I can't really deal with mafia at the moment.
I wouldn't mind talking about Empoof tomorrow, I think he's probably town, but the way he's so insistent on town reading me kind of has me tilting my head back and forth a little bit.
I don't really think I've been out of my wolf range much this game, except maybe my recent push on Ara. It's possible it's a team based thing, but I kind of doubt either of his teammates would be there as town on me either, so.
I'm expecting Ara to flip red, so will give things to look at wrt him anyways.
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osieorb18 - 3 (Arapocalypse, Foopme, RE1031)
Not Voting - 1 (Trobairitz)
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vote: Arapocalypse
Would like more words on your reads assuming I'm confirmed town. You're getting lynched, it's 9 minutes, need majority, etc. Legacy time.
And for what it's worth, if you're actually town here, sorry about the push, but when all 3 of the team agree on a scum read I'm never not tunneling it. (And I really don't think you're town, Lissa and Visor never have you pushing me early on D1 imo)
We are lynching and I don't think a CFD is in the cards.
Claim Ara?
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Foopme - 2 (Grapefruit21, MarkoRaj)
Not Voting - 1 (Trobairitz)
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My vote is not counted ??
If Ara is a wolf I think we're looking probably in like...Marko/Grapefruit/Trob-ish?
If Ara is a villager, I want Titus to ******* burn.
I'm probably wrong about a town read somewhere if she is, too, but that's a future me problem.
Rip.
Sorry. Kinda. More sorry that I wasn't able to be around more through the day to dance about it, but I still have trouble believing your team felt pushing me that early was at all a good idea.
What do you think it means about Marko given his push on Empoof?
Sorry for still doubting your alignment when it shouldn't matter since you're flipping, but this doesn't seem very villagery...
Alright why? Do you think Scarlet and Empoof are town?
Why on this? The reaction seems over the top.
No, I really can't.
Headtilt.
Talk about RE and Trob before you go? Flip could be in a few minutes or could be a few hours. I'd probably say closer to minutes than hours though.
Don't really care if you like it. If she's a villager, then I'll look at who else was pushing the wagon/sheeping reasoning/not having a valid progression/avoiding wagon, etc.
Think Titus is a pretty likely wolf in Ara V world almost explicitly because of the way they avoided the wagon until the end while still calling her scum.
I guess I'm fine with him just being vigged and resolved, but I think Titus is significantly more likely to be a wolf of the two.