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I had a moment when I was freaking out about wanting to lynch osie slot over grape and got worried grape was going to self hammer, but then it never came so just defaulted to letting the flow take me over.
I think I have all the worlds I believe fairly set and just need to look over the things that I've been saying I want to go over to double check and make sure.
Probably should solidify marko a little more? I'm pretty pocketed by a few things he's done though so /shrug.
From what I understand the site outage stuff has never been THIS bad but happened a small amount right after the curse adoption change thing. Not a scheduled maintenance deal.
Christ. Site was down for a while for me, curse is so garbage.
Nothing has really changed, pretty locked in on Grape/Wheat/Tubba. Fully expect to die tonight. Investigatives or vigs should be targeting in Wheat/Tubba.
Still think Grape lynch was dumb, we know exactly nothing we didn't know before with him flipping scum, and he actively wanted to die. Meh. Is what it is, at this point.
I firmly believe Grape wanted to die today, and was probably the plan going into the day to bus him. I really, really believe Grape and Wheat are w/w here, that cross-voting and the interaction between them just felt so unnatural, especially from Osie's side of it. It also didn't really feel like Grape's heart was in pushing Osie, either, and feel like he'd have been a lot more likely to try and secure the mislynch first before his death if this was w/v. They just kind of wilted after they attacked each other, and then got called w/w for doing it, on both sides.
Kind of hoping our remaining PR's are all in like Titus/Tubba/Marko-ish and there's enough clears there to just lock the game mechanically. Tammy is always, always town here, and I think SC and Empoof are likely to be town in all worlds.
Grape >> Wheat >>>>>>>>>>> Tubba >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Worst > Titus >>>>>>> Marko >>>> Empoof >>>>>>>> SC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tammy
I mean, it's not a bad thing. I just don't think we learn anything new by doing it. We already know he's a wolf, and it doesn't give any clarity to the gamestate.
I mean, it's not a bad thing. I just don't think we learn anything new by doing it. We already know he's a wolf, and it doesn't give any clarity to the gamestate.
Actually, Grape flipping scum shows why Osie is a terrible lynch, unless Grape flips PR.
I mean, it's not a bad thing. I just don't think we learn anything new by doing it. We already know he's a wolf, and it doesn't give any clarity to the gamestate.
Actually, Grape flipping scum shows why Osie is a terrible lynch, unless Grape flips PR.
The book shivers, and the pages begin to turn of their own accord once again.
Flitting to and fro, as if being flipped through by someone manically searching for something, the book finally rest on the page labeled "Mindflayer." Another blank space where the image belongs.
As the tendrils reach out for the... thing, a unheard scream splits your minds, and though the creature struggles, cursing in alien tongues, it too is helpless against the book's magic. With another *shloop*, it is sucked back into the book.
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A Mindflayer (Mafia Goon)
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You are a Mindflayer (Mafia Goon).
Mind flayers (also called illithids) are so insidious, diabolical, and powerful that all denizens of the dark fear them. They bend others to their will and shatter enemies’ minds.
A mind flayer is a strange creature, standing some 6 feet tall, that is humanoid only in the most general terms. The creature’s head looks rather like a four-tentacled octopus, made all the more horrible by a pair of bloated, white eyes. Its mouth, a revolting thing like a lamprey’s maw, constantly drips an oily slime when it is not siphoning out the brains of living prey.
In addition to being highly intelligent, wholly evil, and terribly sadistic, mind flayers are utterly self-serving. If an encounter turns against the creature, it flees at once, caring nothing for the fate of its companions or servitors.
Mind flayers like to fight from a distance, using their psionic abilities, particularly their mind blast. If pressed into melee, a mind flayer lashes its enemies with the tentacles ringing its mouth.
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The book opens directly to the page labeled "Planetar."
It is accompanied by some blurred movement, the flash of a knife, and an unearthly scream as a green-skinned Angel is hauled back inside, bleeding profusely from several wounds.
Voxxicus has been killed.
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Welcome to Monster Manual Mafia, Voxxicus.
You are a Planetar (Town 1-shot Cop).
Planetars serve as mighty generals of celestial armies. They also help powerful mortals on missions of good, particularly those that involve battles with fiends.
Planetars resemble massively muscular humans with smooth emerald skin, white feathered wings, and hairless heads.
Despite their vast array of magical powers, planetars are likely to wade into melee with their +3 greatswords. They particularly enjoy fighting fiends.
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Detect Evil:Once per game, at night, you may target a player. At the end of that night, you will learn that player’s alignment.
BTW had a teammie continually reminding me not to underestimate Voxx which was kinda crippling my assertiveness a little yday sorry for being on the shy side. I feel good af about this.
also @Voxx nice shaky d1 and nk baiting d2 post flip I LIKE it
I don't really see him using his single cop shot on someone who's already like almost unanimously townread so....... gonna say it was more likely a Grape guilty
If it was actually a red on grape or a green on tammy imma be slightly upset but that's what it looks like. Maybe could be ScarletCelestial with how he told me never to lynch them but I'll look over everything again.
I was feigning a green on tubba yesterday, trying to solve with that in mind.
Going to sheep Voxx for free win on Osie/Wheat/Tubba EZ CLAP
I skimmed over voxx iso and I can't really find a firm peek. I think it's ScarletCelestial just because I think voxx wouldn't ever ever peek tammy there and a grape peek feels somewhat silly?
Don't really think it's me and if it is Imma be slightly upset
slight possibility it's Osie slot red but... all of his progressions look really natural forming with that slot.
Like, put yourself in her spot, she's scum with Grape, the third is ????.
If Osie is town, does she tunnel her buddy while hard defending Osie?
If Osie is a wolf, does she tunnel one buddy while hard defending the other when they're called w/w?
Does she have such a bad grasp on the gamestate/threadflow to try and call myself or Tammy possible scum as a wolf?
I've spent a fair bit of time going over her posts, and I think I've come to the conclusion that she just...genuinely believes that bull*****, there's a kind of quiet, independent conviction to it where she's not really pushing it, but just believes it.
She was my top scum read going into N1, but I've slowly come around to her maybe? just being town.
Also there's this and he had titus as his TOP MAFIA at start of day, could've been the ole switcheroo
Grape will probably self-hammer, so let me dump some thoughts while I have a couple minutes.
Voxxicus
Tammy
SC
Marko
Empoof
Titus
The Worst
Tubba
Wheat Grinder
Grapefruit
Yes, it's a lot of tiers, but they're fairly distinct.
Tammy is just lock town. It's my strongest town read, second strongest read behind Grape being 100% scum. Please never doubt this, never push this, I don't care if she's alive in a F3, I still think she's lock town. It's entirely behavior/mindset in terms of read strength, and a lot of it is depth and nuance to the way she talks about her team and their interaction, you can just follow her thoughts wandering through posts in a way that is uniquely and distinctly Town!Tammy, and I am very sure on this read.
I think SC is really strongly town here. Empoof, don't do something dumb, never lynch SC before a F3 situation. Read through her progression on me this day phase, I think it's the type of interaction you're looking for. I also think she interacted with Grape on D1 and asked questions that she's unlikely to ask if they're partners, and there's just a consistent effort and body of work here that I pretty firmly think comes from town. I also think she's never w/w with Osie/Wheat, so if he flips red, that just lock clears SC. I don't really think SC is a wolf, period, but the only way I consider them is in a F3 if Osie was town and Grape wolf, but I don't really think that's a world we're looking at. Spend some time in her D1 iso after Grape flips red, and you'll see what I mean, if necessary.
Marko and Empoof I'm somewhat lumping together, despite reads not being quite the same. I don't think either of them are w/w with Grape, though that feeling is stronger on Marko's end than it is Empoof's. I've talked about both of these players a fair bit, Marko just consistently having a kind of villagery disconnectedness where he lacks an agenda feels pretty good. I don't think he pushes on Grape the way he has as w/w with Grape, because he just really hasn't gotten that much credit out of it, or forced it to happen, it just feels like a natural 'I don't like grape, he's probably a wolf' kind of push that comes from town significantly more. I was kind of expecting him to have more presence as either alignment, so he's like, theoretically possible to consider late game, it's not as lock town as Tammy, but I feel pretty good about Marko being town. I've talked a lot about Empoof too, and I don't...really think he's w/w with Grape? I guess? It's at least possible, but Empoof just feels like the mislynch the scum were hoping to get this game until they were forced to distance desperately today. If Wheat is town he's someone I'd at least consider later in game though, probably with Tubba, given his perplexing defense there, but I do think he's Just Town.
Titus and The Worst are likewise lumped together in that I think they're probably both town, but they're less town than everyone else, and there's things that give me some pause. I actually kind of like Titus pushing against me and Tammy, despite it being sort of baffling, because it's the kind of baffling and weird I was expecting to see from her as town. Less of the 'give people what they want' kind of feel from it, and more stubborn-ness and 'this is what I'm seeing from the votes'. And like. I kind of have trouble seeing this line that she's taking 'Grape wolf, Osie town' making sense as grape/titus/osie, and as grape/titus/non-osie, and it's possible that just makes her town here. I think TW is probbbbbbbbably town, but it's frankly not due to anything he's done himself. He's kind of irritating from a playstyle perspective because he refuses to flesh things out and give any kind of depth/nuance to thoughts and reads and it makes it impossible to get into his head. I'm still not all that sure he's actually read much of d1 beyond first couple pages and last couple pages, tbh, and coming in and tunneling Grape and Osie (but mostly staying on Osie) feels kind of weird given Grape is just obviously scum here and will flip red shortly. Like. Is it TMI, and he's Too Right, without showing any kind of process in terms of getting to those reads? (If this is w/w grape/osie)? Maybe? I think Trob, his predecessor is actually more useful to read, and I think that they're unaligned with Grape given D1 interactions. Spend some time combing back over that for depth/nuance/weirdness, because I'm not as sure on that as I'd like to be. I've tossed TW's interactions and push around in my head a bit and I ultimately keep coming back to it being too weird and too blatant to be a wolf that needs to go deep. Like if this is W/V, him pushing Osie over Grape when Grape is going to flip this game 100% is just...weird and is going to make him look obviously bad. If it's w/w, then he...locked himself into those two being his only scum reads and needing to win in a final 3 despite not... really doing much to look town beyond 'have correct reads' and both lines feel somewhat suicidal, like he never wins as a wolf taking either of them. So he's probably just town.
That leaves three names. Grape. Wheat/Osie. Tubba.
Grape is just 100% lock scum, this is ever his villager game, etc. Read through my posts where I tried to reach out to him, called him out on his progression on me not making sense, called him out on having no depth to reads, and him just kind of rolling over and self-voting over his scum read, and the claim and just... he's never town here.
Wheat/Osie is a combination of PoE/everyone else being town, and just... having some extremely, extremely bad interactions with Grape. Comb over those cross-pushes on each other again, and look at my posts I made about Osie's mindset. His scum reads matched the scum reads myself and TW had, except on himself/each other, yet he acted in a manner that was...disproportionate, I guess. It just doesn't make sense for him to be so annoyed/upset at 'lurkers' scum reading him when we were both voting his 'top' scum read with him. Think about the mindset that has to come from, and then go look at the interactions with Grape again. It's so over the top and blatant and they're just...clearly w/w here. The wind sucked out of both of their sails after that push got identified as w/w, and Wheat's intro posts do nothing to change my mind. Him pushing on Grape as hard as he is I don't think is a real progression, given Grape just self-voted the post before he posted. I don't believe Osie didn't mention Grape being his top scum read or talk about the game in the chat at all if town, and just have so much trouble believing that slot is town this game.
Tubba is an interesting case, where it's partially PoE, and partially interactions with Grape and Osie. He fits incredibly neatly into that team as the third member, and my team is 100% convinced he's w/w with Grape after combing over both of their iso's and looking at mentions/interactions with each other. I think his recent push against Grape is unlike anything he's ever done (in any game, as any alignment), and feels an awful lot like TMI. He's pushing hard against Grape becaues he knows Grape is scum, and is trying to generate unalignment. It's just.... too late. His D1 Grape interactions are pretty interesting to look at, he hedges a lot, refusing to really take a stance, but keeping the option to town read Grape on the table as long/much as he can. My team actually is kind of divided here, I might have lied a little. One of them is 100% locked in on Grape/Tubba/Osie, the other is kind of going 'I guessssss' at it, because everyone else is town, but there's one specific post of Tubba's that they're kind of coming back to, where he's not sure what others are seeing in Grape, that it's kind of weird to say about a partner. I think it's a good post, and I'd generally agree, but like. Everyone else is town, and I don't think that recent post from Tubba comes from him as town.
So, yeah.
I'm pretty dialed in on Grape > Wheat > Tubba, in that order, and I'd be frankly pretty surprised if any of them were town.
I fully expect to die tonight, unless they feel the need to go PR hunting I guess, so this is my legacy. Put in the work, don't get lazy/complacent, but don't let any of those three endgame, thanks.
Glgl.
4th post cause I'm a baller (sorry mods I'm going to sleep)
voxx uses the word 100% like a million times in this post so I'm just guessing it's a grape red. I don't even remember what EoD1 felt like but I remember thinking we were going to kill grape soon after osie. Maybe a grape peek isn't as silly as I thought but would make sense why he was shoving to not get them lynched since it's so rootedly 100% for them.
meh.
Maybe we should've lynched wheat/osieslot yesterday, voxx is kinda right but whatever.
lol me I thoight someone else was the cop with a softed innocent on someone.
Doubt he had a green check on me because I hind both voxx and newcomb trust their ability to read me. I don’t even think regfan would have this game even though he tends to get paranoid of me. Outdoor have been nice though!
Might’ve just been grape with the way he built that world.
It’s a bummer he’s dead and the cop though because I figured even if we lost him we’d have two results from the person I thought was the cop.
Gotta get ready for work. I don’t read in night so I didn’t look through the grape/tubba interactions my team pointed out. Still down to lynch wheat though I’m pretty sure.
Marko, I’d actually agree with you notion concerning me. I was a lot more intense during the first 48 hours of Day 2 simply because I was playing it like a 36/12 and I just lost momentum after that since it was obvious Grape was scum, and that Osie was highly likely to be partners with them. (Not only was their interaction with Grape weird, but their reaction to their lurking and somebody else’s had a very different approach to it.)
Like, the only world I thought was possible outside Grape/Osie/Somebody (probably Tubba) was my fear Voxx/Empoof/Somebody world which I wasn’t even really considering. I just feel like this game has been mostly solved.
All I’ve got to do early on this phase is to look into whether I could be wrong about the last person being Tubba, and it instead being the worst and somebody instead of Wheat which is unlikely to me.
Concerning the Cop death: I agree with the check being either Tammy (still pretty Town to me) or Grape, and neither of those really help me so I’m disregarding it.
Voxx dying in conjunction with RE’s death has a common denominator: both thought Osie scum and it aligns with what is most likely thus far.
So yeah still thinking it’s Wheat today because it makes a lot of sense.
PS: stealing my neighbour’s WiFi again, so if there are any questions I’ll get to them tomorrow. I’ll be back at fulltime WiFi on Saturday.
PPS: Looked at EoD, nothing of note at first glance.
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Probably Tubba and the worst left as scum. Worst's opening today might as well be a neon sign.
Vote: Tubba
Also, I got feedback that I saw something really beautiful and almost died but passed my will save. That's not a common feedback I receive on other sites.
So weird. I can only access this site right now in my IPad.
I thought celestial was the cop based on her if I die tonight readslist that had Marko as her top town read. I thought that was an inno on marko which seemed to me a reasonable night one investigate. Thought empoof picked up on it to and that’s why he reacted to the readslist the way he did.
So weird. I can only access this site right now in my IPad.
I thought celestial was the cop based on her if I die tonight readslist that had Marko as her top town read. I thought that was an inno on marko which seemed to me a reasonable night one investigate. Thought empoof picked up on it to and that’s why he reacted to the readslist the way he did.
Not the response I expected given the feedback I got but oh well. Can I borrow your vote on Tubba for a bit? Just to see how wagons react?
Grape is a pbad peek ya but that's definitely what it is.
I think Tammy is just villa though, I'm sheeping that read until f3 or something
I think in a wheat w world they are most likely just with either the worst or Titus.
Wheat v I'd probably clear Titus and have second thoughts about the worst (but still just lynch him)
Scarlet celestial seems to be losing impact although I could be imagining that? Sense check would be good here
Empoof is lack clear barring some extraordinary circumstances that I won't go into rn. Hopefully at least one of us will die before I have to rethink that
I really need the wheat flip to be arsed going any further tbh. The game could be either a lock or super hard mode and it's hard to say which until we see that flip
Why would you clear me if I am correct? Usually people say that I know too much and failed so whiteknight.
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I can be a little inattentive to details, but I'm having a hard time locating my alleged swing vote. Would you please point it out and break it down for me? I'd like to move on but it's bugging me.
I'm thinking Grape/Osie(Wheat)/Titus, or super spicy world of Grape/Titus/Trobairitz(the worst).
Scum!Titus has been hiding behind the nebulous cloud of VCA, avoiding taking serious stances and pushes against players. The vote count doesn't reflect anything in regards to me and Grape, and they refuse to explain how it does. Look at post #1755 as an example of Titus setting up a narrative.
Trob/Worst, the main thing here is how easily Worst from wanting to lynch Osie to just being willing to go with the flow. Coupled with some strange interactions with Grape early game and then disappearing to the point of replacing out puts the slot on my radar.
I don't have anything new to say about Osie's play, Wheat taking the tack of challenging widely town read and townfirmed players seems diversionary and not genuine. It also makes no sense for scum!Titus to bus Grape to save town!Osie. Osie is likely scum pr in my mind.
I'd lynch Titus or Osie, preferably in that order.
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Titus - that feedback didn’t come from me. I don’t know what that is.
And sure what the hell id like to procrastinate a bit. I’ll take a look at the vote counts.
I can stil only get this site on my iPad thoigh so it might take a while.
I don’t understand why you included this vote count in your wheat/grape can’t be partnered world because I would view it the opposite.
Counterwagons are only actually counter wagons when they’re scum driven for one. And even if you are using the counterwagon theory, that would assume scum on the wagon.
Voxxicus has flipped town, I’m town, empoof is likely town and that leaves the wheat slot.
So when there was a wagon on scum grape, the wheat slot jumped on the town wagon, which could very easily be him slipping onto the town wagon to help gain momentum against the scum wagon.
This vote count doesn’t in any way make them less likely partnered. In a scum osie/ town empoof world that means he slithered onto the town driven wagon to help save his buddy.
Someone look at 1.10, 2.8 and 2.10 and explain to me how anyone can buy Osie/Wheat as scum here?
Scum wanted Ara dead over Grape. That's proven by both their flips.
The same players wanted Wheat over Grape yesterday.
The same players push Wheat hard.
It's Tubba who we should be lynching. :/
You’re not looking at the reasoning why we argued for wheat over grape. None of us were trying to save grape; we weren’t arguing for grape town. We thoight that grapes behavior looked like him trying to save wheat, which makes sense on a wheat pr/grape goon world. If grape had flipped pr this theory would have taken a hit, but grape sure did seem like he was trying to get lynched yesterday.
If you really believed this theory that scum pushed ara and wheat to save grape then you should be pushing me or empoof. In order for your theory to be true it would have to be a concerted effort by scum, which it just wasn’t. You may not agree with our theory that grape was trying to save wheat with his play yesterday but this vote count doesn’t make wheat town. You’re not looking at the whole picture.
BTW had a teammie continually reminding me not to underestimate Voxx which was kinda crippling my assertiveness a little yday sorry for being on the shy side. I feel good af about this.
also @Voxx nice shaky d1 and nk baiting d2 post flip I LIKE it
BTW had a teammie continually reminding me not to underestimate Voxx which was kinda crippling my assertiveness a little yday sorry for being on the shy side. I feel good af about this.
also @Voxx nice shaky d1 and nk baiting d2 post flip I LIKE it
Why do you want tubba more? You seemed so sure on osie up until the end of yesterday.
BTW had a teammie continually reminding me not to underestimate Voxx which was kinda crippling my assertiveness a little yday sorry for being on the shy side. I feel good af about this.
also @Voxx nice shaky d1 and nk baiting d2 post flip I LIKE it
Which post was the nk bait?
Besides highly confident reads which indicated an invest result and powertowning?
Hmm let me think about it and get back to you
I skimmed over voxx iso and I can't really find a firm peek. I think it's ScarletCelestial just because I think voxx wouldn't ever ever peek tammy there and a grape peek feels somewhat silly?
Don't really think it's me and if it is Imma be slightly upset
slight possibility it's Osie slot red but... all of his progressions look really natural forming with that slot.
ScarletCelestial was extremely unwavering though.
This is a decent take
but given the extremity of the tunnel on Grape I still kinda feel that's the most likely result :[
either way his TRs on Tammy/SC are like..... just correct lol
Someone look at 1.10, 2.8 and 2.10 and explain to me how anyone can buy Osie/Wheat as scum here?
Scum wanted Ara dead over Grape. That's proven by both their flips.
The same players wanted Wheat over Grape yesterday.
The same players push Wheat hard.
It's Tubba who we should be lynching. :/
You’re not looking at the reasoning why we argued for wheat over grape. None of us were trying to save grape; we weren’t arguing for grape town. We thoight that grapes behavior looked like him trying to save wheat, which makes sense on a wheat pr/grape goon world. If grape had flipped pr this theory would have taken a hit, but grape sure did seem like he was trying to get lynched yesterday.
If you really believed this theory that scum pushed ara and wheat to save grape then you should be pushing me or empoof. In order for your theory to be true it would have to be a concerted effort by scum, which it just wasn’t. You may not agree with our theory that grape was trying to save wheat with his play yesterday but this vote count doesn’t make wheat town. You’re not looking at the whole picture.
I feel that Tubba used his vote opportunisticly earlier but I have never really been buying the koolaid that Ara has a pure wagon. Second, even if we suppose without believing Wheat/Osie is scum AND you and Empoof are town, that leaves the last wolf in Tubba/Scarket. Otherwise, you'd be arguing that scum bussed Grapefruit with an alternative wagon available.
Next, the context argument is hogwash IMO but a shield. Let's not lynch lockscum...that ***** scum love to jump onto. Who did? Tubba and Worst.
Who said Tubba is scummier but voted Wheat? Worst.
Like I can't see a scenario where voting Tubba just isn't optimal.
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I can be a little inattentive to details, but I'm having a hard time locating my alleged swing vote. Would you please point it out and break it down for me? I'd like to move on but it's bugging me.
I'm thinking Grape/Osie(Wheat)/Titus, or super spicy world of Grape/Titus/Trobairitz(the worst).
Scum!Titus has been hiding behind the nebulous cloud of VCA, avoiding taking serious stances and pushes against players. The vote count doesn't reflect anything in regards to me and Grape, and they refuse to explain how it does. Look at post #1755 as an example of Titus setting up a narrative.
Trob/Worst, the main thing here is how easily Worst from wanting to lynch Osie to just being willing to go with the flow. Coupled with some strange interactions with Grape early game and then disappearing to the point of replacing out puts the slot on my radar.
I don't have anything new to say about Osie's play, Wheat taking the tack of challenging widely town read and townfirmed players seems diversionary and not genuine. It also makes no sense for scum!Titus to bus Grape to save town!Osie. Osie is likely scum pr in my mind.
I'd lynch Titus or Osie, preferably in that order.
Vote Titus
You haven't made that many votes. I have gone over my thought process with votes several times.
What do you think of someone trying to kill me? What roles involve Will Saves?
[quote from="Tubba Fett »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/796111-team-mafia-game-3-monster-manual-mafia-day-3?comment=1782"]What do you think of someone trying to kill me? What roles involve Will Saves?
The creature sits atop a makeshift throne, dressed as an old time judge complete with a long white wig
@Titus
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I can be a little inattentive to details, but I'm having a hard time locating my alleged swing vote. Would you please point it out and break it down for me? I'd like to move on but it's bugging me.
I'm thinking Grape/Osie(Wheat)/Titus, or super spicy world of Grape/Titus/Trobairitz(the worst).
Scum!Titus has been hiding behind the nebulous cloud of VCA, avoiding taking serious stances and pushes against players. The vote count doesn't reflect anything in regards to me and Grape, and they refuse to explain how it does. Look at post #1755 as an example of Titus setting up a narrative.
Trob/Worst, the main thing here is how easily Worst from wanting to lynch Osie to just being willing to go with the flow. Coupled with some strange interactions with Grape early game and then disappearing to the point of replacing out puts the slot on my radar.
I don't have anything new to say about Osie's play, Wheat taking the tack of challenging widely town read and townfirmed players seems diversionary and not genuine. It also makes no sense for scum!Titus to bus Grape to save town!Osie. Osie is likely scum pr in my mind.
I'd lynch Titus or Osie, preferably in that order.
Vote Titus
You haven't made that many votes. I have gone over my thought process with votes several times.
What do you think of someone trying to kill me? What roles involve Will Saves?
Three. Ara, Grape and you.
Spell it out for me, humour me. Stop dancing around and take on the question. Your entire premise of scum!me is based on it, so just clarify. What about my vote on Ara, aligns me with Grape?
As far as roles that require will saves, controllers mostly. Will saves are typically strong against standard mobs, less useful against single bbeg's. I'm not sure how I feel about someone trying to kill you. My perspective has you trying to kill me, I'm kinda biased.
Tubba read on Trob is stinky
has he had any trajectory on that or just realised he needs to SR me bc the lad is howling
Well, I think it's substantially better than your progression on me. I bothered to have reasons in mine. Seriously, Tammy asked the same question I did. What changed you from wanting Osie gone post haste, to me? I've checked the iso and there's not a lot going on there.
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Wheat_Grinder - 3 (Voxxicus, Tammy, Grapefruit21)
Not Voting - 2 (Wheat_Grinder, Foopme)
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Wheat_Grinder - 3 (Voxxicus, Tammy, Grapefruit21)
Not Voting - 2 (Wheat_Grinder, Foopme)
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cool seems fine
I had a moment when I was freaking out about wanting to lynch osie slot over grape and got worried grape was going to self hammer, but then it never came so just defaulted to letting the flow take me over.
I think I have all the worlds I believe fairly set and just need to look over the things that I've been saying I want to go over to double check and make sure.
Probably should solidify marko a little more? I'm pretty pocketed by a few things he's done though so /shrug.
From what I understand the site outage stuff has never been THIS bad but happened a small amount right after the curse adoption change thing. Not a scheduled maintenance deal.
Nothing has really changed, pretty locked in on Grape/Wheat/Tubba. Fully expect to die tonight. Investigatives or vigs should be targeting in Wheat/Tubba.
Still think Grape lynch was dumb, we know exactly nothing we didn't know before with him flipping scum, and he actively wanted to die. Meh. Is what it is, at this point.
I firmly believe Grape wanted to die today, and was probably the plan going into the day to bus him. I really, really believe Grape and Wheat are w/w here, that cross-voting and the interaction between them just felt so unnatural, especially from Osie's side of it. It also didn't really feel like Grape's heart was in pushing Osie, either, and feel like he'd have been a lot more likely to try and secure the mislynch first before his death if this was w/v. They just kind of wilted after they attacked each other, and then got called w/w for doing it, on both sides.
Kind of hoping our remaining PR's are all in like Titus/Tubba/Marko-ish and there's enough clears there to just lock the game mechanically. Tammy is always, always town here, and I think SC and Empoof are likely to be town in all worlds.
Grape >> Wheat >>>>>>>>>>> Tubba >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Worst > Titus >>>>>>> Marko >>>> Empoof >>>>>>>> SC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tammy
Or something like that.
Actually, Grape flipping scum shows why Osie is a terrible lynch, unless Grape flips PR.
Flitting to and fro, as if being flipped through by someone manically searching for something, the book finally rest on the page labeled "Mindflayer." Another blank space where the image belongs.
As the tendrils reach out for the... thing, a unheard scream splits your minds, and though the creature struggles, cursing in alien tongues, it too is helpless against the book's magic. With another *shloop*, it is sucked back into the book.
Grapefruit21 has been lynched.
He was:
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It is accompanied by some blurred movement, the flash of a knife, and an unearthly scream as a green-skinned Angel is hauled back inside, bleeding profusely from several wounds.
Voxxicus has been killed.
He was:
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You are a Planetar (Town 1-shot Cop).
Planetars resemble massively muscular humans with smooth emerald skin, white feathered wings, and hairless heads.
Despite their vast array of magical powers, planetars are likely to wade into melee with their +3 greatswords. They particularly enjoy fighting fiends.
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[b]vote: Wheat[/v]
kinda want Tubba more but I'm super glad Voxx/me hivemind on the scum theatre was legit
goddamn am I bad at things
BTW had a teammie continually reminding me not to underestimate Voxx which was kinda crippling my assertiveness a little yday sorry for being on the shy side. I feel good af about this.
also @Voxx nice shaky d1 and nk baiting d2 post flip I LIKE it
I was feigning a green on tubba yesterday, trying to solve with that in mind.
Going to sheep Voxx for free win on Osie/Wheat/Tubba EZ CLAP
I skimmed over voxx iso and I can't really find a firm peek. I think it's ScarletCelestial just because I think voxx wouldn't ever ever peek tammy there and a grape peek feels somewhat silly?
Don't really think it's me and if it is Imma be slightly upset
slight possibility it's Osie slot red but... all of his progressions look really natural forming with that slot.
ScarletCelestial was extremely unwavering though.
Also there's this and he had titus as his TOP MAFIA at start of day, could've been the ole switcheroo
Titus is a sensible peek too
4th post cause I'm a baller (sorry mods I'm going to sleep)
voxx uses the word 100% like a million times in this post so I'm just guessing it's a grape red. I don't even remember what EoD1 felt like but I remember thinking we were going to kill grape soon after osie. Maybe a grape peek isn't as silly as I thought but would make sense why he was shoving to not get them lynched since it's so rootedly 100% for them.
meh.
Maybe we should've lynched wheat/osieslot yesterday, voxx is kinda right but whatever.
Doubt he had a green check on me because I hind both voxx and newcomb trust their ability to read me. I don’t even think regfan would have this game even though he tends to get paranoid of me. Outdoor have been nice though!
Might’ve just been grape with the way he built that world.
It’s a bummer he’s dead and the cop though because I figured even if we lost him we’d have two results from the person I thought was the cop.
Gotta get ready for work. I don’t read in night so I didn’t look through the grape/tubba interactions my team pointed out. Still down to lynch wheat though I’m pretty sure.
Like, the only world I thought was possible outside Grape/Osie/Somebody (probably Tubba) was my fear Voxx/Empoof/Somebody world which I wasn’t even really considering. I just feel like this game has been mostly solved.
All I’ve got to do early on this phase is to look into whether I could be wrong about the last person being Tubba, and it instead being the worst and somebody instead of Wheat which is unlikely to me.
Concerning the Cop death: I agree with the check being either Tammy (still pretty Town to me) or Grape, and neither of those really help me so I’m disregarding it.
Voxx dying in conjunction with RE’s death has a common denominator: both thought Osie scum and it aligns with what is most likely thus far.
So yeah still thinking it’s Wheat today because it makes a lot of sense.
PS: stealing my neighbour’s WiFi again, so if there are any questions I’ll get to them tomorrow. I’ll be back at fulltime WiFi on Saturday.
PPS: Looked at EoD, nothing of note at first glance.
Vote: Tubba
Also, I got feedback that I saw something really beautiful and almost died but passed my will save. That's not a common feedback I receive on other sites.
Scum wanted Ara dead over Grape. That's proven by both their flips.
The same players wanted Wheat over Grape yesterday.
The same players push Wheat hard.
It's Tubba who we should be lynching. :/
I thought celestial was the cop based on her if I die tonight readslist that had Marko as her top town read. I thought that was an inno on marko which seemed to me a reasonable night one investigate. Thought empoof picked up on it to and that’s why he reacted to the readslist the way he did.
Not the response I expected given the feedback I got but oh well. Can I borrow your vote on Tubba for a bit? Just to see how wagons react?
Why would you clear me if I am correct? Usually people say that I know too much and failed so whiteknight.
@Titus
I can be a little inattentive to details, but I'm having a hard time locating my alleged swing vote. Would you please point it out and break it down for me? I'd like to move on but it's bugging me.
I'm thinking Grape/Osie(Wheat)/Titus, or super spicy world of Grape/Titus/Trobairitz(the worst).
Scum!Titus has been hiding behind the nebulous cloud of VCA, avoiding taking serious stances and pushes against players. The vote count doesn't reflect anything in regards to me and Grape, and they refuse to explain how it does. Look at post #1755 as an example of Titus setting up a narrative.
Trob/Worst, the main thing here is how easily Worst from wanting to lynch Osie to just being willing to go with the flow. Coupled with some strange interactions with Grape early game and then disappearing to the point of replacing out puts the slot on my radar.
I don't have anything new to say about Osie's play, Wheat taking the tack of challenging widely town read and townfirmed players seems diversionary and not genuine. It also makes no sense for scum!Titus to bus Grape to save town!Osie. Osie is likely scum pr in my mind.
I'd lynch Titus or Osie, preferably in that order.
Vote Titus
Titus - that feedback didn’t come from me. I don’t know what that is.
And sure what the hell id like to procrastinate a bit. I’ll take a look at the vote counts.
I can stil only get this site on my iPad thoigh so it might take a while.
I don’t understand why you included this vote count in your wheat/grape can’t be partnered world because I would view it the opposite.
Counterwagons are only actually counter wagons when they’re scum driven for one. And even if you are using the counterwagon theory, that would assume scum on the wagon.
Voxxicus has flipped town, I’m town, empoof is likely town and that leaves the wheat slot.
So when there was a wagon on scum grape, the wheat slot jumped on the town wagon, which could very easily be him slipping onto the town wagon to help gain momentum against the scum wagon.
This vote count doesn’t in any way make them less likely partnered. In a scum osie/ town empoof world that means he slithered onto the town driven wagon to help save his buddy.
You’re not looking at the reasoning why we argued for wheat over grape. None of us were trying to save grape; we weren’t arguing for grape town. We thoight that grapes behavior looked like him trying to save wheat, which makes sense on a wheat pr/grape goon world. If grape had flipped pr this theory would have taken a hit, but grape sure did seem like he was trying to get lynched yesterday.
If you really believed this theory that scum pushed ara and wheat to save grape then you should be pushing me or empoof. In order for your theory to be true it would have to be a concerted effort by scum, which it just wasn’t. You may not agree with our theory that grape was trying to save wheat with his play yesterday but this vote count doesn’t make wheat town. You’re not looking at the whole picture.
Why do you want tubba more? You seemed so sure on osie up until the end of yesterday.
Besides highly confident reads which indicated an invest result and powertowning?
Hmm let me think about it and get back to you
This is a decent take
but given the extremity of the tunnel on Grape I still kinda feel that's the most likely result :[
either way his TRs on Tammy/SC are like..... just correct lol
has he had any trajectory on that or just realised he needs to SR me bc the lad is howling
This is my first time ever meeting Voxx and my team kept saying not to underestimate him so
I'll take your word for it
Probably got a red on Grapey
@Marko compare your own read on me and have a chortle
It is written.
I feel that Tubba used his vote opportunisticly earlier but I have never really been buying the koolaid that Ara has a pure wagon. Second, even if we suppose without believing Wheat/Osie is scum AND you and Empoof are town, that leaves the last wolf in Tubba/Scarket. Otherwise, you'd be arguing that scum bussed Grapefruit with an alternative wagon available.
Next, the context argument is hogwash IMO but a shield. Let's not lynch lockscum...that ***** scum love to jump onto. Who did? Tubba and Worst.
Who said Tubba is scummier but voted Wheat? Worst.
Like I can't see a scenario where voting Tubba just isn't optimal.
You haven't made that many votes. I have gone over my thought process with votes several times.
What do you think of someone trying to kill me? What roles involve Will Saves?
https://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Saving_Throw#Will
like a loud RBer or redirector or something.
I'm kind of open to there being some crazy ass role(s) this game
Three. Ara, Grape and you.
Spell it out for me, humour me. Stop dancing around and take on the question. Your entire premise of scum!me is based on it, so just clarify. What about my vote on Ara, aligns me with Grape?
As far as roles that require will saves, controllers mostly. Will saves are typically strong against standard mobs, less useful against single bbeg's. I'm not sure how I feel about someone trying to kill you. My perspective has you trying to kill me, I'm kinda biased.
Well, I think it's substantially better than your progression on me. I bothered to have reasons in mine. Seriously, Tammy asked the same question I did. What changed you from wanting Osie gone post haste, to me? I've checked the iso and there's not a lot going on there.