@Voxx, does it bother you that you don't think I read all of d1? :0
I mean, yes. I get bothered when people don't read posts in games they play in, especially when phases are super long, and they complain about nothing happening. The reads and stuff you've posted felt almost exclusively from like first two pages and last two pages of D1, and having so much conviction in Osie/Grape just feels at odds with how little it feels like you've actually read.
I noticed som of the interactions from today too, like the pop in where he decides grap s a wolf could look extremely similar to when I popped in to vote beru in 100
It’s really hard for me to explain why I feel so strongly he’s town and it’s something I should’ve gotten through yesterday (Friday)
But to me the way he kept his distance wrt grape reminds me how I play with like mantichora where I don’t often have a foothold on his alignment that makes me comfortable but I want to think he’s town.
I think I've functionally come around to it being less curiosity and more like... 'yes fellow villagers look at how villagery I am for trying to see what you see'
What’s funny is my team now wants to lynch osie slot but with grape basically outing I can’t justify doing it since it’s reads vs mechanics and there is still possible (but unlikely) worlds where wheat is town and I would rather get the guaranteed done with
Like I know it’s probably a play to claim like that since if there were trying to *actually* self preservate they claim something like cop or actual vig or something that we at least have in our mind as self resolving that could move one or two people to wheat.
But also wifom and also just lynch wolves ww 101 etc
I think I've functionally come around to it being less curiosity and more like... 'yes fellow villagers look at how villagery I am for trying to see what you see'
I know
It’s going to be extremely hard for you to shake this from me but I’m also not a (full blown) idiot so don’t think I haven’t taken all your thoughts into account
And if we get both grape/osie as w/w we have a lot of leeway
Fwiw, I'll be available to hammer this before deadline if Grape doesn't just self-hammer like I'm pretty sure he's going to.
I'd still rather lynch Wheat, personally, though.
Because I'm obviously Grape's scumbuddy and am trying to keep him alive despite him actively trying to die, clearly
The logic is like.
We 'know' Grape is a wolf, his flip tells us nothing new about the game.
We do /not/ know if this is W/W or W/V wagons, and that is the most important information right now in terms of figuring out the gamestate. Tomorrow is going to be a dead day no matter what, we're 100% lynching Wheat, or we're 100% lynching Grape, whoever isn't lynched today. I'd personally rather have the knowledge of what this wagon formation is before we have that dead day, so there's at least something to discuss without having to wait for another flip.
And he'd claim something significantly more likely to buy him a day if this was w/v or w/w and he was a PR that wanted another shot. Backup vig is a 'token response to prod/attempt to not gamethrow completely' post, given there was no followup etc.
I'm having a lot of trouble reading this as anything but 'Wolf Grape is trying to die and hoping that Wheat can rescue himself with the semi-clean slate of replacement/people decide maybe they're unaligned after they shoot Voxx in the face so he's less obnoxious about it'.
Still the one thing that has me a little hesitant on you tbh, because I don't think I'd done anything up to that point indicating I was enjoying the villager rand, because my eyes were melting out of my skull.
Indulge me and pull up some posts that made you think that, prior to you locking me in as town.
Like, put yourself in her spot, she's scum with Grape, the third is ????.
If Osie is town, does she tunnel her buddy while hard defending Osie?
If Osie is a wolf, does she tunnel one buddy while hard defending the other when they're called w/w?
Does she have such a bad grasp on the gamestate/threadflow to try and call myself or Tammy possible scum as a wolf?
I've spent a fair bit of time going over her posts, and I think I've come to the conclusion that she just...genuinely believes that bull*****, there's a kind of quiet, independent conviction to it where she's not really pushing it, but just believes it.
She was my top scum read going into N1, but I've slowly come around to her maybe? just being town.
Still the one thing that has me a little hesitant on you tbh, because I don't think I'd done anything up to that point indicating I was enjoying the villager rand, because my eyes were melting out of my skull.
Indulge me and pull up some posts that made you think that, prior to you locking me in as town.
it was mostly your Ara push iirc
I’m on mobile so **** that but look at how disengaged and disinterested you were in 100 early vs here. I didn’t read anni early game but mash comparisons etc. You were really thirsty to brutally murder a wolf and your mindset about it was good.
Also you saying “sorry empoof it’s Ara” was like... idk I don’t think you would’ve handled it that way. You probably would’ve asked “why not Ara” first or air balled some prepping things as a wolf in case I had some IC related read on her.
It was just a stark difference to me and I felt it in my nards
Still the one thing that has me a little hesitant on you tbh, because I don't think I'd done anything up to that point indicating I was enjoying the villager rand, because my eyes were melting out of my skull.
Indulge me and pull up some posts that made you think that, prior to you locking me in as town.
it was mostly your Ara push iirc
I’m on mobile so **** that but look at how disengaged and disinterested you were in 100 early vs here. I didn’t read anni early game but mash comparisons etc. You were really thirsty to brutally murder a wolf and your mindset about it was good.
Also you saying “sorry empoof it’s Ara” was like... idk I don’t think you would’ve handled it that way. You probably would’ve asked “why not Ara” first or air balled some prepping things as a wolf in case I had some IC related read on her.
It was just a stark difference to me and I felt it in my nards
Hm.
I dunno if it was noticeably different to my Fenwicked push in 100 though?
Like, put yourself in her spot, she's scum with Grape, the third is ????.
If Osie is town, does she tunnel her buddy while hard defending Osie?
If Osie is a wolf, does she tunnel one buddy while hard defending the other when they're called w/w?
Does she have such a bad grasp on the gamestate/threadflow to try and call myself or Tammy possible scum as a wolf?
I've spent a fair bit of time going over her posts, and I think I've come to the conclusion that she just...genuinely believes that bull*****, there's a kind of quiet, independent conviction to it where she's not really pushing it, but just believes it.
She was my top scum read going into N1, but I've slowly come around to her maybe? just being town.
I mean
Yes to literally all your questions
I can see her doing all those things for different reasons, like “being right” if osie is town and “saving osie” if he’s scum because she can’t really win alone.
I agree about the quiet conviction thing, but I more think the weird interaction she had with osie day 1 is what makes her not w/w there and I remember her begging me to vote grape which... I don’t think she does to her partner?
Those two things were like the things I wanted to reread most because her unwavering about osie is weird and unlike how she mechanically views games from what I remember
Still the one thing that has me a little hesitant on you tbh, because I don't think I'd done anything up to that point indicating I was enjoying the villager rand, because my eyes were melting out of my skull.
Indulge me and pull up some posts that made you think that, prior to you locking me in as town.
it was mostly your Ara push iirc
I’m on mobile so **** that but look at how disengaged and disinterested you were in 100 early vs here. I didn’t read anni early game but mash comparisons etc. You were really thirsty to brutally murder a wolf and your mindset about it was good.
Also you saying “sorry empoof it’s Ara” was like... idk I don’t think you would’ve handled it that way. You probably would’ve asked “why not Ara” first or air balled some prepping things as a wolf in case I had some IC related read on her.
It was just a stark difference to me and I felt it in my nards
Hm.
I dunno if it was noticeably different to my Fenwicked push in 100 though?
imma be real I didn’t read the fenwicked push, you just told me it was awkward
Look at the first like 4 pages of 100 and you’re so detached with the game, it’s nothing like how you opened here
She’s stubborn but mechanically if grape is a wolf one of you/me/Tammy HAS to be town so her unwillingness to consider the osie/grape w/w thing even a little is strange
FTR I did read d1 I just found most of it pretty unexciting so read until I had reads then I kinda just skimmed and things happened and nothing really made me regret my scumreads
My townreads probably had a more interesting trajectory I guess but they're pretty consensus
I’m actually hella pinged by Titus but I’ve been holding back a lot based off those two things I keep bringing up and knowing Titus and I have a hard time working together in games
With the downtimes as well as a crunch time at work, I still haven't gotten off of page 13. I'm planning to get up to speed overNight moreso now as a result.
I'm willing to hammer Grape. I'll do so sometime toMorrow if someone else hasn't already.
With the downtimes as well as a crunch time at work, I still haven't gotten off of page 13. I'm planning to get up to speed overNight moreso now as a result.
I'm willing to hammer Grape. I'll do so sometime toMorrow if someone else hasn't already.
Yeah I’m probably speed lunching you toMorrow so glgl
With the downtimes as well as a crunch time at work, I still haven't gotten off of page 13. I'm planning to get up to speed overNight moreso now as a result.
I'm willing to hammer Grape. I'll do so sometime toMorrow if someone else hasn't already.
Yeah I’m probably speed lunching you toMorrow so glgl
sounds tasty
Either way I've made my peace with it. I think my flip will prove you and Tammy scum so I think it's necessary.
With the downtimes as well as a crunch time at work, I still haven't gotten off of page 13. I'm planning to get up to speed overNight moreso now as a result.
I'm willing to hammer Grape. I'll do so sometime toMorrow if someone else hasn't already.
Yeah I’m probably speed lunching you toMorrow so glgl
sounds tasty
Either way I've made my peace with it. I think my flip will prove you and Tammy scum so I think it's necessary.
With the downtimes as well as a crunch time at work, I still haven't gotten off of page 13. I'm planning to get up to speed overNight moreso now as a result.
I'm willing to hammer Grape. I'll do so sometime toMorrow if someone else hasn't already.
Yeah I’m probably speed lunching you toMorrow so glgl
sounds tasty
Either way I've made my peace with it. I think my flip will prove you and Tammy scum so I think it's necessary.
With the downtimes as well as a crunch time at work, I still haven't gotten off of page 13. I'm planning to get up to speed overNight moreso now as a result.
I'm willing to hammer Grape. I'll do so sometime toMorrow if someone else hasn't already.
Yeah I’m probably speed lunching you toMorrow so glgl
sounds tasty
Either way I've made my peace with it. I think my flip will prove you and Tammy scum so I think it's necessary.
Man. This just...isn't a real thought he has based off of 11-12 pages.
She’s stubborn but mechanically if grape is a wolf one of you/me/Tammy HAS to be town so her unwillingness to consider the osie/grape w/w thing even a little is strange
Oh at least 2 of you would be if my Grape + Tubba theory is correct. I just feel Osie is more town than any of you based on votes and deflections. I am also in the mood to let bullets solve it and find the third after Tubba flips. If I am the one that winds up dying, I would hope Tubba is lynched then you look at the third by total vca.
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I mean, yes. I get bothered when people don't read posts in games they play in, especially when phases are super long, and they complain about nothing happening. The reads and stuff you've posted felt almost exclusively from like first two pages and last two pages of D1, and having so much conviction in Osie/Grape just feels at odds with how little it feels like you've actually read.
I noticed som of the interactions from today too, like the pop in where he decides grap s a wolf could look extremely similar to when I popped in to vote beru in 100
It’s really hard for me to explain why I feel so strongly he’s town and it’s something I should’ve gotten through yesterday (Friday)
But to me the way he kept his distance wrt grape reminds me how I play with like mantichora where I don’t often have a foothold on his alignment that makes me comfortable but I want to think he’s town.
Your analysis hasn’t gone unnoticed
Like I know it’s probably a play to claim like that since if there were trying to *actually* self preservate they claim something like cop or actual vig or something that we at least have in our mind as self resolving that could move one or two people to wheat.
But also wifom and also just lynch wolves ww 101 etc
It’s going to be extremely hard for you to shake this from me but I’m also not a (full blown) idiot so don’t think I haven’t taken all your thoughts into account
And if we get both grape/osie as w/w we have a lot of leeway
@Empoof
Would also kms if we lynch wheat slot and they’re town and lynch grape slot toMorrow and their the mafia super joat tracker medic
Can we trick the votebot
I'm having a lot of trouble reading this as anything but 'Wolf Grape is trying to die and hoping that Wheat can rescue himself with the semi-clean slate of replacement/people decide maybe they're unaligned after they shoot Voxx in the face so he's less obnoxious about it'.
it’s part of my boyish charm
You love it
2 thousand miles deep in your pocket rn
But I’m also on my boat and this is the one that has bad service
Lol
I’m kind of worried I actually might die now rofl
Shiptoasting is just in my blood sometimes, and I'm enjoying a villager rand after two straight wolf ones.
I’m still goat for having people think I had TMI on you based off that
Indulge me and pull up some posts that made you think that, prior to you locking me in as town.
Like, put yourself in her spot, she's scum with Grape, the third is ????.
If Osie is town, does she tunnel her buddy while hard defending Osie?
If Osie is a wolf, does she tunnel one buddy while hard defending the other when they're called w/w?
Does she have such a bad grasp on the gamestate/threadflow to try and call myself or Tammy possible scum as a wolf?
I've spent a fair bit of time going over her posts, and I think I've come to the conclusion that she just...genuinely believes that bull*****, there's a kind of quiet, independent conviction to it where she's not really pushing it, but just believes it.
She was my top scum read going into N1, but I've slowly come around to her maybe? just being town.
I’m on mobile so **** that but look at how disengaged and disinterested you were in 100 early vs here. I didn’t read anni early game but mash comparisons etc. You were really thirsty to brutally murder a wolf and your mindset about it was good.
Also you saying “sorry empoof it’s Ara” was like... idk I don’t think you would’ve handled it that way. You probably would’ve asked “why not Ara” first or air balled some prepping things as a wolf in case I had some IC related read on her.
It was just a stark difference to me and I felt it in my nards
Hm.
I dunno if it was noticeably different to my Fenwicked push in 100 though?
Yes to literally all your questions
I can see her doing all those things for different reasons, like “being right” if osie is town and “saving osie” if he’s scum because she can’t really win alone.
I agree about the quiet conviction thing, but I more think the weird interaction she had with osie day 1 is what makes her not w/w there and I remember her begging me to vote grape which... I don’t think she does to her partner?
Those two things were like the things I wanted to reread most because her unwavering about osie is weird and unlike how she mechanically views games from what I remember
Look at the first like 4 pages of 100 and you’re so detached with the game, it’s nothing like how you opened here
She’s stubborn but mechanically if grape is a wolf one of you/me/Tammy HAS to be town so her unwillingness to consider the osie/grape w/w thing even a little is strange
FTR I did read d1 I just found most of it pretty unexciting so read until I had reads then I kinda just skimmed and things happened and nothing really made me regret my scumreads
My townreads probably had a more interesting trajectory I guess but they're pretty consensus
for now, anyway.
With the downtimes as well as a crunch time at work, I still haven't gotten off of page 13. I'm planning to get up to speed overNight moreso now as a result.
I'm willing to hammer Grape. I'll do so sometime toMorrow if someone else hasn't already.
sounds tasty
Either way I've made my peace with it. I think my flip will prove you and Tammy scum so I think it's necessary.
https://imgur.com/ebvVnNY
Man. This just...isn't a real thought he has based off of 11-12 pages.
Refuge in audacity?
stressed.
feels good being right on my reads
Oh at least 2 of you would be if my Grape + Tubba theory is correct. I just feel Osie is more town than any of you based on votes and deflections. I am also in the mood to let bullets solve it and find the third after Tubba flips. If I am the one that winds up dying, I would hope Tubba is lynched then you look at the third by total vca.