I'm back and I am so happy to have WiFi. Also barely remember what's happened Day 2 but oh well. (PS: Nausea by John Paul Sartre is the blandest thing I have ever read, I am including packaging labels.)
1413 (Voxx) RIP, sorry Voxx.
1417 (Tammy) One of osie's games were here - it's why I asked Empoof about what his team thought of osie since the other two members were in that game. The one myself and RE played with osie was on MyAnimeList but I don't know how to get to it with Clubs not being back yet. (But forums are back at least, so osie might be able to find it.)
1420 (Voxx) Can I hear about the team tinfoil on me, Voxx, even if it's only so I can laugh at them post game?
Since I know it's now finished: lol worst and their techno illiteracy and I'm not sure if I'm more certain or not of Marko being Town. In Sports Mash, they were scum and I misread them. However, in looking at it I can see that he was trying to have more thread control there. I'm probably the same as I was on that read to be honest.
1424 (Tammy) To be fair, I had the same fear with the voting position. Like, no one is trying to defend Grape overtly, though it may be because we're in a bussing situation. Basically, I'm starting to think I'm confusing myself into oblivion with this thought so I'm kinda just shoving it to the back of my head.
1430 (Tubba) I feel like you're only focusing on it from a singular viewpoint. Like you're focusing only on the benfits of them scumreading you, rather than why they'd Townread you as either alignment. (OK this is NAI but does it help you read them at all?)
1442 (Tammy) This post. (See 816 if the link doesn't work.)
1443 (Tammy) @the worst can you explain why you didn't correct me when it was directly resulting in me giving you a read? Also: osie said the exact same thing in a different game about how they prioritise enjoyment so it's definitely NAI. (I think I saw it when I was going through their scum game here?)
1444 (Tammy) No.
1451 (Marko) Can confirm. I was Townreading him. (I died to a fake red peek by Town and a bad Townread on Dels.) Basically, that mash sucked for me.
1457 (Osie) If you're NK'd I am that owl from Voxx's GIF.
Marko I asked about the Empoof read. Tell me about the Empoof read.
I agree with Voxx concerning Grape. Like, they seem like a very solvey player who is responsible. In that way I'm trying to place myself in their position, and I wouldn't react like this. (The closest situation I can find is Lost Village, and I was trying my hardest to contribute even if I sounded crazy and I had a post ready for Day 2. Too bad I died. Grape just isn't trying IMO.) This comes from me being a responsible person.
1472 (Voxx) Technically, I had that team before you.
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"Is it possible to be tsundere towards friends and family?"
If only I had a mouth to scream with... Then I could post.
I can't really see any way to interpret this than a caught wolf that wants put out of his misery, but isn't willing to lolcat or scumclaim.
I have a lot of trouble seeing Osie being a villager given this, because if this is w/v, like... you'd think Grape would be trying harder to at least get a mislynch before he died. I guess it's theoretically possible he's leveling it so that we just chain lynch Osie right after, but it just really feels like the wind got sucked out of both of their sails after their distancing fell flat.
At this point, we should take Grape to L minus 1. Get a claim. Then lynch unless we like the claim or can leash it. Time to get a flip to revitalize.
Don't you think Grape would've claimed by now if they had something?
On MS, the standard is claim at L minus 1 unless you have a guilty.
L-2 is claim range on MTGS generally. 99% sure Grape or Osie would have claimed by now if they had something that'd confirm them as town, especially given it'd clear up the gamestate where people think it's w/w.
If grape and osie are w/w the last wolf is the worst.
The confidence of his reads there is jarring considering he only enters the thread and feels that he has 2 hits right away.
That can only be tmi imo.
It's theoretically possible, and I've had that same thought, but I don't think TW and Osie are w/w here. Look back at their recent exchange, where Osie's getting pretty toxic in response to him, that feels a lot like wolf frustration at someone that has been pushing on them with what they consider bad posts/reasons etc. I spent some time re-reading Trob (the person TW replaced) and their posts about Grapefruit and I don't...think those are w/w. It's theoretically possible and I'd obviously lynch him over like, Tammy or SC and mayyyyyyybe Empoof, but I think if this is w/w then the 3rd is Tubba or Titus in that order.
If grape and osie are w/w the last wolf is the worst.
The confidence of his reads there is jarring considering he only enters the thread and feels that he has 2 hits right away.
That can only be tmi imo.
I still think Osie is town and Tubba is the second wolf. Wolves are bussing Grape to try and ml Osie imo.
Who is the third wolf in that world? I've spent a lot of time reading through Osie's posts, Grape's posts, and their interactions to try and find any hope that this isn't w/w but I just can't get over the like, narrative? Of the way they interacted being so fake, and then the wind being sucked out of their sails when they both get called out on being w/w. If one of them is a villager you'd think they'd be fighting to get the other lynched here a bit more, some kind of righteous fury/fire, but instead Grape is basically silently begging us to lynch him, and Osie's resorted to just complaining about the people pushing him instead of trying to get Grape lynched or to really figure out the rest of the wolves.
I'll go and pull up the posts that most scream to me that this is being w/w, I use VCA as much as you do, especially in larger games, but this is one of those times where context matters, and you have to look at like, the direct interactions, because they were lumped together in PoE's, and then immediately started to attack each other, and then when they got called out on it, kind of just...wilted.
OK I was wrong. Voxx isn't slowly going insane. He was that about 3 days ago.
@MarkoRaj ANSWER MY QUESTION. WHERE DOES THE EMPOOF DOUBT COME FROM, AND DO YOU THINK HE COULD BE SCUM?!?!
Titus, I was coming from the perspective that Grape would be thinking that they would likely be lynched and as such would claim if they had something real, and as such I'm doubting they have a Town PR. Like, if they had one they'd be using it to get the attention off of them (since otherwise a lot of time would be wasted) and onto someone who would actually be scum. A claim earlier this phase would've helped, especially with how they knew they wouldn't have much time. No claim by now means to me they have no claim, simple as.
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omg @SC that messed me up so bad. I even consult in tech like I'm usually great for some reason the MU site just totally rebelled against me for a bit rip me
Voxx seems to be trying to take charge. Voxx, of all people. Okay.
My team basically has been spam quoting this in team chat and laughing hysterically ever since it happened, and it's pretty tough to shake. Like, hm.
I obviously wasn't active on D1 due to medical issues, but I've played 30ish games on MTGS, and I'm generally known as an active, good player. I've won a decent chunk of end-of-year awards, etc.
Like. I know Osie is newer to the site, I just have trouble wrapping my head around this 'Voxx of all people' thing, like I'm some kind of serial lurker.
I was top poster in Mistborn after subbing in. I was top poster on D1 of Dark and Stormy Night pretty recently, before RL forced me to replace out. Idk, it just doesn't feel like a real thought, but rather an attempt to discredit me and my reads.
Pretty much my issue with Osie rn and the reason I don't wanna post until he's dead. He's placed his pants on his head and started shading people at the cost of making any kind of actual sense.
There's some trajectory there that kinda makes sense if you contort yourself into a pretzel in order to read it so I guess Grape looks worse but.... also **** that lmao
This is just a quick pop in. I’m current to early this morning but just skimmed today stuff. I’ll try to get back today to comment on anything, but school starts next week and I’m currently in holy **** ***** **** where’d the summer go mode.
Anyway, I don’t really have much to add or say. I understand disengaged but at this point I can’t see grapefruit being town. I definitely want to lynch him over osie who I’m still seriously hemming and hawing over. We meta a bit of osssie Friday night and he was a bit relaxed? kinda acted in somewhat protown ways and felt a bit more in control. And yeah I know where’s scum if not osie and I don’t have an answer for that at the moment. Id like the grapefruit flip then start working.
Titus - if I’m reluctant to give a solid read in you it’s because I don’t read you well at all. I’ve read you as scum a lot of the times we’ve played together and been a driving force behind your mislynch several times. I think I’ve only correctly read you as town a handful of times, and then when you’re scum I gave you a lot of room while trying to figure you out, and it becomes a cycle. Nobody on my teams reads you well either, and the best any of us have come up with were certain behaviors or posts could be town indicative. If I were scum, I could just give a read on you, that’s the easy part. Getting it right is the hard part.
I thought I had something else. I’ll try to get back today.
They agree with me that Grape is more likely to be a wolf, but think Osie's flip actually being in question makes it more interesting in terms of reading into this game day.
Hey Marko, could you look back at the Grape/Osie interactions a bit?
I'm pretty tunneled on this being w/w, and that interaction is the crux of it. They just feel so fake, and the way both of them kind of got the wind sucked out of their sails after it was called out as being w/w makes me dive even deeper into that confirmation bias tunnel.
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reminder for myself to give this a whirl when I'm next in a PC (tonight? tomorrow?) as using the ISO feature and trying to make commentary on mobile is not easy!
If only I had a mouth to scream with... Then I could post.
I can't really see any way to interpret this than a caught wolf that wants put out of his misery, but isn't willing to lolcat or scumclaim.
See I'm not a funny person normally. So often when I try to joke around they come out overwrought and unfunny even if they were intended to be jokes.
Vote: Grapefruit
Oh, heh. Actively was a scum claim instead of just seeming like one. Got it.
I guess I don't really understand why you're giving up instead of pushing another slot, but probably will have to wait until postgame to find out. (Or daystart if I die)
My team still wants to just mercy kill Wheat before he has to sink the effort into catching up only to get lynched tomorrow anyways.
I kind of don't hate the idea because I want to know if this was w/w or not, and if it is, it implies Grape would rather die over Wheat.
Acknowledging we're probably just lynching the claimed wolf though, it's just tempting from an analysis standpoint to find out what world we're definitely in.
They agree with me that Grape is more likely to be a wolf, but think Osie's flip actually being in question makes it more interesting in terms of reading into this game day.
This is why I cannot trust you are not with Grape.
They agree with me that Grape is more likely to be a wolf, but think Osie's flip actually being in question makes it more interesting in terms of reading into this game day.
This is why I cannot trust you are not with Grape.
Empoof's opening seems like he's trying too hard. I actually get a similar vibe from Tammy, and the fact that they talk to each other while trying too hard is an interaction that to me indicates the possibility of scummates.
Tubba's entrance is weird and that probably means it's town.
I really don't like Tammy's #30.
I dislike Grapefruit as well. His lack of commitment on trob looks really weird and out of place on page 1. "I think this guy is scummy, better...not actually do anything about it"???
I strongly dislike Empoof's #50. He's lining up to vote Trob which is seeming like a pretty bad wagon and not just that, he won't commit to it either.
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Tammy's #60 seems really forced and once again Empoof is involved.
i wish empoof would stop posting broken image links
I'm starting to like Voxxicus. Nothing stands truly out but #91 is enough for a town lean.
...then #92 happened. yuck. back to neutral on voxx.
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oh hey my slot appears...and I disagree with all the reads
maybe i should've read this game after all
SC is still my strongest townread.
Ara's alignement taken in retrospect, I particularly dislike Tammy's #149 praising the push.
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SR's #157 feels like a townslip - "Considering I have little confidence in my read of you, a direct fight does nothing for me either." I don't see a scum saying those words.
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I hope tubba starts playing the game because I actually feel like he's probably town.
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yuck #260 from grapefruit 'But yeah saying "I'm currently gut reading ScarletCelestial as scum." and then never voting them isn't really scum reading them.'
grape doesn't actually believe this
empoof is beginning to sound less scummy but I'm not over the interactions with Tammy yet.
all right that's six pages. I'll be reading more tomorrow but for now...
worst (r. trob) - town (good interactions with SC to start, and the reactions to other players along the way felt organic)
SC - town (good interactions with trob, intentions seem unfailingly pure)
voxx - lean town (Reads seem organic even when against people who flipped town, but I didn't like a failure to go after an early scumread in #92)
tubba - lean town (doesn't post much content but scum would be too self-conscious to do that RP game)
SR - null (I haven't seen a post that really moved the dial on SR for me.)
marko - has not had any posts as of the end of page 6.
empoof - lean scum (early interactions with tammy point to buddies but by page 6 is starting to make more sense. Gonna keep a close eye here)
grape - scum (several yucky posts, but the real killer is #260 where he persists with a terrible read for bull***** reasoning)
tammy - scum (early interactions with empoof point to buddies, and nothing has pointed me away from that feeling since)
sports mash was pretty fun, the turbo I played after I got lynched for being outted was pretty fun too.
I think I'm more engaged and excited with faster games.
Everytime I look at this game it feels weird and I don't really feel like I have anything to really add or do
Like I could go case osie if I really wanted to or I could go double check marko is town (after sports mash too) or check on voxx since my team's starting to get a little spicy about him but it doesn't feel like my opinions are likely going to change, at least right now and would just want flips to figure it out more. All my opinions feel really shallow but I think this is kind of a shallow game? Like all of this day feels sort of like hot air.
Also slightly spooked that this is another game where being in an echo chamber just solidifies reads harder than maybe they should like what happened in Power Rangers.
I'm posting so I can talk to people basically so hello. Hi wheat grinder, if you're town show me/my team that'd be great. We all didn't like osie and I was going to come back asking if he was going for some kind of playstyle shift to get at least a semblance of conversation going (also because I brought up the stuff I just posted with them in essence).
Also Marko being sus of me is probably correct because he's not used to me villaging like this. Probably feels like my wolf game because I'm slanking more and am disengaged. I don't really have a quick fix for that or anything but if he ends up having more time and actually communicates with me i think it'll be fine.
Empoof's opening seems like he's trying too hard. I actually get a similar vibe from Tammy, and the fact that they talk to each other while trying too hard is an interaction that to me indicates the possibility of scummates.
Tubba's entrance is weird and that probably means it's town.
I really don't like Tammy's #30.
I dislike Grapefruit as well. His lack of commitment on trob looks really weird and out of place on page 1. "I think this guy is scummy, better...not actually do anything about it"???
I strongly dislike Empoof's #50. He's lining up to vote Trob which is seeming like a pretty bad wagon and not just that, he won't commit to it either.
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Tammy's #60 seems really forced and once again Empoof is involved.
i wish empoof would stop posting broken image links
I'm starting to like Voxxicus. Nothing stands truly out but #91 is enough for a town lean.
...then #92 happened. yuck. back to neutral on voxx.
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oh hey my slot appears...and I disagree with all the reads
maybe i should've read this game after all
SC is still my strongest townread.
Ara's alignement taken in retrospect, I particularly dislike Tammy's #149 praising the push.
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SR's #157 feels like a townslip - "Considering I have little confidence in my read of you, a direct fight does nothing for me either." I don't see a scum saying those words.
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I hope tubba starts playing the game because I actually feel like he's probably town.
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yuck #260 from grapefruit 'But yeah saying "I'm currently gut reading ScarletCelestial as scum." and then never voting them isn't really scum reading them.'
grape doesn't actually believe this
empoof is beginning to sound less scummy but I'm not over the interactions with Tammy yet.
all right that's six pages. I'll be reading more tomorrow but for now...
worst (r. trob) - town (good interactions with SC to start, and the reactions to other players along the way felt organic)
SC - town (good interactions with trob, intentions seem unfailingly pure)
voxx - lean town (Reads seem organic even when against people who flipped town, but I didn't like a failure to go after an early scumread in #92)
tubba - lean town (doesn't post much content but scum would be too self-conscious to do that RP game)
SR - null (I haven't seen a post that really moved the dial on SR for me.)
marko - has not had any posts as of the end of page 6.
empoof - lean scum (early interactions with tammy point to buddies but by page 6 is starting to make more sense. Gonna keep a close eye here)
grape - scum (several yucky posts, but the real killer is #260 where he persists with a terrible read for bull***** reasoning)
tammy - scum (early interactions with empoof point to buddies, and nothing has pointed me away from that feeling since)
Logical question, how can I tiwnslip yet say nothing that causes a read?
In my head you going after Tammy is just bad and feels like something that you're hoping we'll view as "wow sub going after a super townie slot? why would they do that in that position?"
But I'm also helplessly tunneled on your slot so I'm probably getting to the point where I view everything that comes out as likely scum and starting with that idea in mind rather than an objective look.
Can you tell me why you feel so strongly that they're town? Like build the wall. Show me the reasonings. Everytime I skim over osie's posts there's like a single post that I like and everything else feels like AtE and fairly fake perspective or just anti perspective?
I really hated the portion of osie's game where he just kept calling me scum in jokey ways and leaving it at that. Like he was feigning some kind of reaction test or something. It was boarish.
In my head you going after Tammy is just bad and feels like something that you're hoping we'll view as "wow sub going after a super townie slot? why would they do that in that position?"
But I'm also helplessly tunneled on your slot so I'm probably getting to the point where I view everything that comes out as likely scum and starting with that idea in mind rather than an objective look.
What's funny is that my phone would do random capitalization when I posted earlier in this game so now I've adopted doing it to stress parts of sentences.
There's no need to feeear me
Darlin', I love you as you are when you're alone.
I'll never try to chaaaange you, as if I could and if I were to what's the part that I'd miss most
WHEN YOU'RE SMILING AND ASTRIIIIIDE ME
I can hardly believe I found you, and I'm terrified by that.
OOOH OH OHOHOH OOOOOOOH
I've got nothing to hide from you: kissing my brother in my dreams or finding god knows in my jeans.
You see me as I am, it's true. Aimlessly fake drifter and a horny manchild momma's boy to boot.
That's how you live free! Truly see and be seen!
OOOH OH OHOHOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
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I'll be here for like 20 more minutes pressing f5 for anyone at all
My metaphorical vote is currently placed on Grape. The vote is Anti-Town, simple as. Want to give Wheat some time because I *think* I might be able to read him, and I wanna see if I was just too tunnelled on osie.
Weird thing from the 6 page catchup @Wheat_Grinder, you have Tammy and Empoof at different levels on your scale despite reading them off the same interaction. What made Tammy come off as worse than Empoof?
Marko answered my question-ish. I wanted to know if there was any other issues to do with Empoof, I already saw what they said about Empoof in a prior game.
Also, one of my teammates is being like "maybe Grape is Town" but I'm a bit sceptical of whether he's actually reading this game which is a bit annoying so I'm disregarding what he said...
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"Is it possible to be tsundere towards friends and family?"
Hey, Wheat, you think you're a bad teammate? Well mine isn't reading the game but still giving me reads! (aka they were like "Grape might be Town", I go "they self-voted", they go "vote them".)
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"Is it possible to be tsundere towards friends and family?"
I'm pretty confused how anyone is reading that back and forth between Grape and I as anything other than him clarifying to me that yes, he was scum claiming with that post, and then self-voting for further emphasis.
And, SC, the tinfoil on you from my team is an 'If Osie is town, worlds don't quite make sense, and you fit as scum in a Grape/SC/x world reasonably well, plausibly with Tubba' - I don't agree with it, but it was a due diligence thing when we talked about worlds where Osie-slot is town.
I think it's just Grape, Osie, Tubba, with a small chance of Titus as the third instead.
And yes, I totally would just bus Grape into the ground here like I have been if I was a wolf with him, so leave me alive until late game, scum team. I'll absolutely be a viable mislynch, and nothing could ever possibly go wrong.
I'm pretty confused how anyone is reading that back and forth between Grape and I as anything other than him clarifying to me that yes, he was scum claiming with that post, and then self-voting for further emphasis.
And, SC, the tinfoil on you from my team is an 'If Osie is town, worlds don't quite make sense, and you fit as scum in a Grape/SC/x world reasonably well, plausibly with Tubba' - I don't agree with it, but it was a due diligence thing when we talked about worlds where Osie-slot is town.
I think it's just Grape, Osie, Tubba, with a small chance of Titus as the third instead.
I... don't get how that was a scum claim? It's rather reachy imo, or I'm just not getting it.
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"Yes, because Scarlet is"
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1413 (Voxx) RIP, sorry Voxx.
1417 (Tammy) One of osie's games were here - it's why I asked Empoof about what his team thought of osie since the other two members were in that game. The one myself and RE played with osie was on MyAnimeList but I don't know how to get to it with Clubs not being back yet. (But forums are back at least, so osie might be able to find it.)
1420 (Voxx) Can I hear about the team tinfoil on me, Voxx, even if it's only so I can laugh at them post game?
Since I know it's now finished: lol worst and their techno illiteracy and I'm not sure if I'm more certain or not of Marko being Town. In Sports Mash, they were scum and I misread them. However, in looking at it I can see that he was trying to have more thread control there. I'm probably the same as I was on that read to be honest.
1424 (Tammy) To be fair, I had the same fear with the voting position. Like, no one is trying to defend Grape overtly, though it may be because we're in a bussing situation. Basically, I'm starting to think I'm confusing myself into oblivion with this thought so I'm kinda just shoving it to the back of my head.
1430 (Tubba) I feel like you're only focusing on it from a singular viewpoint. Like you're focusing only on the benfits of them scumreading you, rather than why they'd Townread you as either alignment. (OK this is NAI but does it help you read them at all?)
1442 (Tammy) This post. (See 816 if the link doesn't work.)
1443 (Tammy) @the worst can you explain why you didn't correct me when it was directly resulting in me giving you a read? Also: osie said the exact same thing in a different game about how they prioritise enjoyment so it's definitely NAI. (I think I saw it when I was going through their scum game here?)
1444 (Tammy) No.
1451 (Marko) Can confirm. I was Townreading him. (I died to a fake red peek by Town and a bad Townread on Dels.) Basically, that mash sucked for me.
1457 (Osie) If you're NK'd I am that owl from Voxx's GIF.
Marko I asked about the Empoof read. Tell me about the Empoof read.
I agree with Voxx concerning Grape. Like, they seem like a very solvey player who is responsible. In that way I'm trying to place myself in their position, and I wouldn't react like this. (The closest situation I can find is Lost Village, and I was trying my hardest to contribute even if I sounded crazy and I had a post ready for Day 2. Too bad I died. Grape just isn't trying IMO.) This comes from me being a responsible person.
1472 (Voxx) Technically, I had that team before you.
^ These are the words of someone slowly going insane.
Don't you think Grape would've claimed by now if they had something?
On MS, the standard is claim at L minus 1 unless you have a guilty.
I still think Osie is town and Tubba is the second wolf. Wolves are bussing Grape to try and ml Osie imo.
I can't really see any way to interpret this than a caught wolf that wants put out of his misery, but isn't willing to lolcat or scumclaim.
I have a lot of trouble seeing Osie being a villager given this, because if this is w/v, like... you'd think Grape would be trying harder to at least get a mislynch before he died. I guess it's theoretically possible he's leveling it so that we just chain lynch Osie right after, but it just really feels like the wind got sucked out of both of their sails after their distancing fell flat.
L-2 is claim range on MTGS generally. 99% sure Grape or Osie would have claimed by now if they had something that'd confirm them as town, especially given it'd clear up the gamestate where people think it's w/w.
It's theoretically possible, and I've had that same thought, but I don't think TW and Osie are w/w here. Look back at their recent exchange, where Osie's getting pretty toxic in response to him, that feels a lot like wolf frustration at someone that has been pushing on them with what they consider bad posts/reasons etc. I spent some time re-reading Trob (the person TW replaced) and their posts about Grapefruit and I don't...think those are w/w. It's theoretically possible and I'd obviously lynch him over like, Tammy or SC and mayyyyyyybe Empoof, but I think if this is w/w then the 3rd is Tubba or Titus in that order.
Who is the third wolf in that world? I've spent a lot of time reading through Osie's posts, Grape's posts, and their interactions to try and find any hope that this isn't w/w but I just can't get over the like, narrative? Of the way they interacted being so fake, and then the wind being sucked out of their sails when they both get called out on being w/w. If one of them is a villager you'd think they'd be fighting to get the other lynched here a bit more, some kind of righteous fury/fire, but instead Grape is basically silently begging us to lynch him, and Osie's resorted to just complaining about the people pushing him instead of trying to get Grape lynched or to really figure out the rest of the wolves.
I'll go and pull up the posts that most scream to me that this is being w/w, I use VCA as much as you do, especially in larger games, but this is one of those times where context matters, and you have to look at like, the direct interactions, because they were lumped together in PoE's, and then immediately started to attack each other, and then when they got called out on it, kind of just...wilted.
"Slowly". Hah. Hahaha. Hahahahahahaaha.
@MarkoRaj ANSWER MY QUESTION. WHERE DOES THE EMPOOF DOUBT COME FROM, AND DO YOU THINK HE COULD BE SCUM?!?!
Titus, I was coming from the perspective that Grape would be thinking that they would likely be lynched and as such would claim if they had something real, and as such I'm doubting they have a Town PR. Like, if they had one they'd be using it to get the attention off of them (since otherwise a lot of time would be wasted) and onto someone who would actually be scum. A claim earlier this phase would've helped, especially with how they knew they wouldn't have much time. No claim by now means to me they have no claim, simple as.
I don't think I'd have been great anyway tbf
My team basically has been spam quoting this in team chat and laughing hysterically ever since it happened, and it's pretty tough to shake. Like, hm.
I obviously wasn't active on D1 due to medical issues, but I've played 30ish games on MTGS, and I'm generally known as an active, good player. I've won a decent chunk of end-of-year awards, etc.
Like. I know Osie is newer to the site, I just have trouble wrapping my head around this 'Voxx of all people' thing, like I'm some kind of serial lurker.
I was top poster in Mistborn after subbing in. I was top poster on D1 of Dark and Stormy Night pretty recently, before RL forced me to replace out. Idk, it just doesn't feel like a real thought, but rather an attempt to discredit me and my reads.
This isn't a town behaviour
Can you ISO Tubba and talk to me about what you see in there? Both independent of any other players, and in conjunction with your current scum reads.
Anyway, I don’t really have much to add or say. I understand disengaged but at this point I can’t see grapefruit being town. I definitely want to lynch him over osie who I’m still seriously hemming and hawing over. We meta a bit of osssie Friday night and he was a bit relaxed? kinda acted in somewhat protown ways and felt a bit more in control. And yeah I know where’s scum if not osie and I don’t have an answer for that at the moment. Id like the grapefruit flip then start working.
Titus - if I’m reluctant to give a solid read in you it’s because I don’t read you well at all. I’ve read you as scum a lot of the times we’ve played together and been a driving force behind your mislynch several times. I think I’ve only correctly read you as town a handful of times, and then when you’re scum I gave you a lot of room while trying to figure you out, and it becomes a cycle. Nobody on my teams reads you well either, and the best any of us have come up with were certain behaviors or posts could be town indicative. If I were scum, I could just give a read on you, that’s the easy part. Getting it right is the hard part.
I thought I had something else. I’ll try to get back today.
My team wants this flip over Grape.
They agree with me that Grape is more likely to be a wolf, but think Osie's flip actually being in question makes it more interesting in terms of reading into this game day.
Mrgle.
I'm pretty tunneled on this being w/w, and that interaction is the crux of it. They just feel so fake, and the way both of them kind of got the wind sucked out of their sails after it was called out as being w/w makes me dive even deeper into that confirmation bias tunnel.
Grapefruit21 - 3 (Scarlet Rage, Tubba Fett, MarkoRaj)
Not Voting - 3 (Tammy, Wheat_Grinder, ScarletCelestial)
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to majority lynch.
Day 2 ends at 6:00 PM Eastern Time on August 18th unless there is a majority lynch.
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See I'm not a funny person normally. So often when I try to joke around they come out overwrought and unfunny even if they were intended to be jokes.
Vote: Grapefruit
reminder for myself to give this a whirl when I'm next in a PC (tonight? tomorrow?) as using the ISO feature and trying to make commentary on mobile is not easy!
Oh, heh. Actively was a scum claim instead of just seeming like one. Got it.
I guess I don't really understand why you're giving up instead of pushing another slot, but probably will have to wait until postgame to find out. (Or daystart if I die)
I kind of don't hate the idea because I want to know if this was w/w or not, and if it is, it implies Grape would rather die over Wheat.
Acknowledging we're probably just lynching the claimed wolf though, it's just tempting from an analysis standpoint to find out what world we're definitely in.
This is why I cannot trust you are not with Grape.
lol
Page 1:
SC and Trob's interactions seem town/town.
Empoof's opening seems like he's trying too hard. I actually get a similar vibe from Tammy, and the fact that they talk to each other while trying too hard is an interaction that to me indicates the possibility of scummates.
Tubba's entrance is weird and that probably means it's town.
I really don't like Tammy's #30.
I dislike Grapefruit as well. His lack of commitment on trob looks really weird and out of place on page 1. "I think this guy is scummy, better...not actually do anything about it"???
I strongly dislike Empoof's #50. He's lining up to vote Trob which is seeming like a pretty bad wagon and not just that, he won't commit to it either.
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Tammy's #60 seems really forced and once again Empoof is involved.
i wish empoof would stop posting broken image links
I'm starting to like Voxxicus. Nothing stands truly out but #91 is enough for a town lean.
...then #92 happened. yuck. back to neutral on voxx.
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oh hey my slot appears...and I disagree with all the reads
maybe i should've read this game after all
SC is still my strongest townread.
Ara's alignement taken in retrospect, I particularly dislike Tammy's #149 praising the push.
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SR's #157 feels like a townslip - "Considering I have little confidence in my read of you, a direct fight does nothing for me either." I don't see a scum saying those words.
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I hope tubba starts playing the game because I actually feel like he's probably town.
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yuck #260 from grapefruit 'But yeah saying "I'm currently gut reading ScarletCelestial as scum." and then never voting them isn't really scum reading them.'
grape doesn't actually believe this
empoof is beginning to sound less scummy but I'm not over the interactions with Tammy yet.
all right that's six pages. I'll be reading more tomorrow but for now...
worst (r. trob) - town (good interactions with SC to start, and the reactions to other players along the way felt organic)
SC - town (good interactions with trob, intentions seem unfailingly pure)
voxx - lean town (Reads seem organic even when against people who flipped town, but I didn't like a failure to go after an early scumread in #92)
tubba - lean town (doesn't post much content but scum would be too self-conscious to do that RP game)
SR - null (I haven't seen a post that really moved the dial on SR for me.)
marko - has not had any posts as of the end of page 6.
empoof - lean scum (early interactions with tammy point to buddies but by page 6 is starting to make more sense. Gonna keep a close eye here)
grape - scum (several yucky posts, but the real killer is #260 where he persists with a terrible read for bull***** reasoning)
tammy - scum (early interactions with empoof point to buddies, and nothing has pointed me away from that feeling since)
I'm just sitting here looking at post #1510 and post #1511 and going 'hum' and tilting head back and forth like a contemplative puppy.
sports mash was pretty fun, the turbo I played after I got lynched for being outted was pretty fun too.
I think I'm more engaged and excited with faster games.
Everytime I look at this game it feels weird and I don't really feel like I have anything to really add or do
Like I could go case osie if I really wanted to or I could go double check marko is town (after sports mash too) or check on voxx since my team's starting to get a little spicy about him but it doesn't feel like my opinions are likely going to change, at least right now and would just want flips to figure it out more. All my opinions feel really shallow but I think this is kind of a shallow game? Like all of this day feels sort of like hot air.
Also slightly spooked that this is another game where being in an echo chamber just solidifies reads harder than maybe they should like what happened in Power Rangers.
I'm posting so I can talk to people basically so hello. Hi wheat grinder, if you're town show me/my team that'd be great. We all didn't like osie and I was going to come back asking if he was going for some kind of playstyle shift to get at least a semblance of conversation going (also because I brought up the stuff I just posted with them in essence).
Also Marko being sus of me is probably correct because he's not used to me villaging like this. Probably feels like my wolf game because I'm slanking more and am disengaged. I don't really have a quick fix for that or anything but if he ends up having more time and actually communicates with me i think it'll be fine.
Wait we can sub for our teammates?
Logical question, how can I tiwnslip yet say nothing that causes a read?
But I'm also helplessly tunneled on your slot so I'm probably getting to the point where I view everything that comes out as likely scum and starting with that idea in mind rather than an objective look.
So.
Excited to see you catch up.
Can you tell me why you feel so strongly that they're town? Like build the wall. Show me the reasonings. Everytime I skim over osie's posts there's like a single post that I like and everything else feels like AtE and fairly fake perspective or just anti perspective?
I really hated the portion of osie's game where he just kept calling me scum in jokey ways and leaving it at that. Like he was feigning some kind of reaction test or something. It was boarish.
Feels like everyone is this way atm
Quoted for truth
Don't really want to engage in whatever that is and just let it settle.
Darlin', I love you as you are when you're alone.
I'll never try to chaaaange you, as if I could and if I were to what's the part that I'd miss most
WHEN YOU'RE SMILING AND ASTRIIIIIDE ME
I can hardly believe I found you, and I'm terrified by that.
OOOH OH OHOHOH OOOOOOOH
I've got nothing to hide from you: kissing my brother in my dreams or finding god knows in my jeans.
You see me as I am, it's true. Aimlessly fake drifter and a horny manchild momma's boy to boot.
That's how you live free! Truly see and be seen!
OOOH OH OHOHOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
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I'll be here for like 20 more minutes pressing f5 for anyone at all
Weird thing from the 6 page catchup @Wheat_Grinder, you have Tammy and Empoof at different levels on your scale despite reading them off the same interaction. What made Tammy come off as worse than Empoof?
Marko answered my question-ish. I wanted to know if there was any other issues to do with Empoof, I already saw what they said about Empoof in a prior game.
Also, one of my teammates is being like "maybe Grape is Town" but I'm a bit sceptical of whether he's actually reading this game which is a bit annoying so I'm disregarding what he said...
When I started I couldn’t stop :x
:gets Empoof's music choice instead:
...
And, SC, the tinfoil on you from my team is an 'If Osie is town, worlds don't quite make sense, and you fit as scum in a Grape/SC/x world reasonably well, plausibly with Tubba' - I don't agree with it, but it was a due diligence thing when we talked about worlds where Osie-slot is town.
I think it's just Grape, Osie, Tubba, with a small chance of Titus as the third instead.
I... don't get how that was a scum claim? It's rather reachy imo, or I'm just not getting it.