A harsh accented voice seems to come from everywhere and nowhere...(although with a decent perception check you surmise it's coming from the area with the scorched hoofprints)
So the Mass Suggestion didn't work...
Maybe it's just the BIFOM, but does anyone know Empoof's meta enough to say whether or not he'd act so over the top cheesy scum?
Also, fwiw I'm a poached egg guy, you boil the egg laying creature alive just long enough to get a nice gooey centre, fabulous on toast.
@RE1031
I hope my seeming disconnectedness wears off over time. I tend to read games voraciously, but typically have little insight into things on Day One. Tonal reads and meta reads seem to rule the day and I'm just not very good with those. Rest assured it's not intentional lurking, I like to think of it more as ambushing (that's why I'm invisible! <invisible wink>)
Problems with this vote count? PM me or DM me on Discord for the fastest response. Posting something in-thread will probably get my attention eventually.
I honestly fail to see how voting a zero poster gets us out of RVS? If he's town, it doesn't accomplish much. If he's scum, well, we'd be flipping a coin, so it's still fairly "random", no?
Is it within Marko's meta to just not post as scum as opposed to town? Or is everyone else varying degrees of townie/neutral that a zero poster would a preferable place to vote? Plz educate me
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I honestly fail to see how voting a zero poster gets us out of RVS? If he's town, it doesn't accomplish much. If he's scum, well, we'd be flipping a coin, so it's still fairly "random", no?
Is it within Marko's meta to just not post as scum as opposed to town? Or is everyone else varying degrees of townie/neutral that a zero poster would a preferable place to vote? Plz educate me
First, I am wierd in that I feel that d1 is pure random barring a scumslip. To me, any lynch other than myself is statistically more likely to hit scum. "Random" lynches are technically the optimal play d1. I'm not advocating that because random defeats the point of playing, but that argument is persuasive.
However, you defending the slot and opportunity to get reactions can start to jump start scumhunting and helps me sort whether this is strategy disagreement, white knight, or buddy defense.
I am very peculiar in that I study wagon momentum and VCA.
RE - RE posting her scumgame looks bizarre. That said, I'm seeing some mindmeld here, especially on Tammy, and some good subtlety in her posts. Light Townread
Tammy - Light townread for food stuff. Not even kidding. Tammy is fluffy, from what I remember, but in a good way. She keeps things casual in tone even when she's posting seriously, which I like a lot. Also some mindmeld. Overall, I just love reading Tammy's posts. Light Townread
Townlean
Foopme - Empoof is fun to read. I don't like that he put himself as confscum, his response to Voxx is dubious, and his posts are fluffy, but his reads are decent and he has some good prods/questioning. Townlean
Grapefruit - I like Grape's read on Trobairitz a lot. His response to RE about generic starts also looks solid. But he needs to interact with more people. For now, Townlean
Neutral
Voxxicus - He feels almost guarded. This could just be town paranoia, but I'm not sure. I'm at a bit of a loss here. I think he's openly choosing to not read very well, but I'm not sure there. We shall see. Neutral
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MarkoRaj
Scumlean
ScarletCelestial - Where are the Scarlets of yesteryear? I don't see nearly enough energy in her posts. I want a lot more to move her out of a… Scumlean
Scarlet Rage - Self-contradictory in their comments to RE, and unexplained vote on non-poster. Ehh. This is all I really see here. Need to see more, but given that the only things I'm seeing are scummy… Scumlean
Trobairitz - Trobairitz seems to not have nearly enough reasoning and is kinda opportunistic. I feel like even in her longer posts, she's not saying very much. Her posts are also just a pain to read. Scumlean
Tubba Fett - I always scumread Tubba, but wow they didn't post well. AGAIN. But okay, let's see what there is to work with… Defensiveness and grandstanding… Eww. Scumlean
@Tammy
I've played since late 2016, I think. Probably newer than a good number of people here, but not entirely new. It wouldn't be something I'd force down others' throats, but I do think my town game is significantly stronger than my scum game (mainly because I enjoy towning more), and it reflects in my post counts and probably in a couple other places. So the choice is yours if you'd like to read into it or not
Part of the reason I posted the link was I saw others sharing their "tells" as either alignment, I figured why not do it myself in the most straight-forward way possible. It's not unlikely the question would pop up eventually, anyway.
Thanks! That makes sense; I wasn’t even considering it with thread flow.
(I hope I didn’t come across like I was calling you a newb because that wasn’t my intention.)
(I hope I didn’t come across like I was calling you a newb because that wasn’t my intention.)
No worries, I'd still consider myself a newb in some areas
@Osie
What reads from Foopme do you like? I had a good laugh earlier in the day when he put 2 posters as null and a non poster as slight town, but it was but a laugh.
Why is me posting my scum game bizarre?
Agree on Vox. And thanks for the tid bit of info on Tubba.
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Re1031 - hate is a mild word for how I feel about playing scum. I do okay at it sometimes and some people think I’m decent at it sometimes, but yes it’s true I hate it.
i know i mentioned not being too crazy about vox's post on ara which theoretically would make that a better vote but i find people like him are easier to read in a macro sense and it wasnt like super scummy (otherwise i'd jump on it) so i'll play the nonposter roulette until i get a better sense on the full table :ok_hand:
Can you parse those? What do you mean people like box are easier to read in a macro sense?
(I hope I didn’t come across like I was calling you a newb because that wasn’t my intention.)
No worries, I'd still consider myself a newb in some areas
@Osie
What reads from Foopme do you like? I had a good laugh earlier in the day when he put 2 posters as null and a non poster as slight town, but it was but a laugh.
Why is me posting my scum game bizarre?
Agree on Vox. And thanks for the tid bit of info on Tubba.
Tammy, Grape, you.
But I am seeing a few reads I don't like, primarily MarkoRaj and Trobairitz.
Why would you post just a scum game and why so early? It's not even scummy, just strange.
I haven't given reasoning yet though. Just felt that 53 seemed like a nervous post for it's zeal to delve into details and use of fancy language. Seemed like it was trying hard to make an impression. Though from your later posts I'm gathering that's just you.
Guess I should look at why people are town reading Tammy at some stage. I started skipping her posts when the breakfast aside happened.
So, I asked before, but did you not notice that her 53 was a response to me asking for the reason she town read me?
Also, I’m only a little self-absorbed but I’m sure even my egg posts are gems not to be missed. :p. No, but seriously did you actually not read any of my successive posts because egg talk? You called out tubba for what I’m guessing was fluffing about his flavor in his first post but doing nothing else, why didn’t we get that on the egg talk?
Should not town read me off tone. Super capable of faking that.
Probably shouldn't town read me off anything I've done other than maybe the Tammy interactions? Am not really playing the game just yet, letting people enter the thread and see who is electing to do things and not do things.
I like this post. I think it makes up for the slight eye-twitch I had when you said you’d kill anyone who didn’t look villagery day one.
RE - RE posting her scumgame looks bizarre. That said, I'm seeing some mindmeld here, especially on Tammy, and some good subtlety in her posts. Light Townread
Tammy - Light townread for food stuff. Not even kidding. Tammy is fluffy, from what I remember, but in a good way. She keeps things casual in tone even when she's posting seriously, which I like a lot. Also some mindmeld. Overall, I just love reading Tammy's posts. Light Townread
Townlean
Foopme - Empoof is fun to read. I don't like that he put himself as confscum, his response to Voxx is dubious, and his posts are fluffy, but his reads are decent and he has some good prods/questioning. Townlean
Grapefruit - I like Grape's read on Trobairitz a lot. His response to RE about generic starts also looks solid. But he needs to interact with more people. For now, Townlean
Neutral
Voxxicus - He feels almost guarded. This could just be town paranoia, but I'm not sure. I'm at a bit of a loss here. I think he's openly choosing to not read very well, but I'm not sure there. We shall see. Neutral
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MarkoRaj
Scumlean
ScarletCelestial - Where are the Scarlets of yesteryear? I don't see nearly enough energy in her posts. I want a lot more to move her out of a… Scumlean
Scarlet Rage - Self-contradictory in their comments to RE, and unexplained vote on non-poster. Ehh. This is all I really see here. Need to see more, but given that the only things I'm seeing are scummy… Scumlean
Trobairitz - Trobairitz seems to not have nearly enough reasoning and is kinda opportunistic. I feel like even in her longer posts, she's not saying very much. Her posts are also just a pain to read. Scumlean
Tubba Fett - I always scumread Tubba, but wow they didn't post well. AGAIN. But okay, let's see what there is to work with… Defensiveness and grandstanding… Eww. Scumlean
I wish I could quote just parts. I feel particularly curious to where you think I am self-contradictory. I like people holding me to the fire, but I don't like skepticism without more (unless it owns it). Otherwise, you feel just as reasonless as you claim Trob is.
I'm not sure your alignment Osi but I love the style of posting you use. Reminds me of a young Cerb or Drixx.
Thank you osie that’s sweet! I read your reads list but I’m mostly in somewhat observational mode at the moment so I don’t have anything to comment on right this second.
Thank you osie that’s sweet! I read your reads list but I’m mostly in somewhat observational mode at the moment so I don’t have anything to comment on right this second.
You are always an enigma to me. You hate drawing scum, yet scum is just providing people what they want rather than hunting scum. As town, you're quite warm and affiable while scumhunting. Yet, I fail to see how a "nice wall" moves the game forward. I also feel like we're dancing around each other.
What do you think of the competing wagons? Do you feel I joinex a scum driven wagon? Do you feel both wagons are on scum? Unsure?
Hi I'm hyped to play!!!!! Lots of cool people, I got so excited seeing I was placed in this game - I know some people already (yes hi Empoof for one!!) and am particularly excited to play with Voxx (and hope he's town), but am also looking forward to getting to know everyone that I don't!!
I've never played phases as long as this before so I'm not too sure what to expect from it being different, but it's always exciting experiencing new stuff like this so I'm sure it'll be fun!!!
Entrances I've liked include Trobairitz's/Empoof's/Tubba Fett's/maybe Tammy; liked in this case may or may not mean liked as in alignment-wise!!
Ara is claiming to be hyped, excited, looking forwards to playing with people, even talks about entrances they liked, but then...peaces out after one post?
I struggle to see that coming from Ara as town, feel like that excitement would have translated to diving in and actually engaging a little bit because she couldn't help herself.
And for the record, yes, the post about too many exclamation points = wolf was an inside joke, that's simply Ara's style. Did kind of want to see how people would react to that, but it was largely ignored so eh. No easy wolves caught off jumping on that, sad times.
Hi I'm hyped to play!!!!! Lots of cool people, I got so excited seeing I was placed in this game - I know some people already (yes hi Empoof for one!!) and am particularly excited to play with Voxx (and hope he's town), but am also looking forward to getting to know everyone that I don't!!
I've never played phases as long as this before so I'm not too sure what to expect from it being different, but it's always exciting experiencing new stuff like this so I'm sure it'll be fun!!!
Entrances I've liked include Trobairitz's/Empoof's/Tubba Fett's/maybe Tammy; liked in this case may or may not mean liked as in alignment-wise!!
Ara is claiming to be hyped, excited, looking forwards to playing with people, even talks about entrances they liked, but then...peaces out after one post?
I struggle to see that coming from Ara as town, feel like that excitement would have translated to diving in and actually engaging a little bit because she couldn't help herself.
While I don't disagree with the substance of this post, why move now? The wagon you had started got traction from two arguably highly townread players (I think I am the only pressurer of them) and thus had pressure and a counter. Why move your vote at all and just comment on the peace out?
RE - RE posting her scumgame looks bizarre. That said, I'm seeing some mindmeld here, especially on Tammy, and some good subtlety in her posts. Light Townread
Tammy - Light townread for food stuff. Not even kidding. Tammy is fluffy, from what I remember, but in a good way. She keeps things casual in tone even when she's posting seriously, which I like a lot. Also some mindmeld. Overall, I just love reading Tammy's posts. Light Townread
Townlean
Foopme - Empoof is fun to read. I don't like that he put himself as confscum, his response to Voxx is dubious, and his posts are fluffy, but his reads are decent and he has some good prods/questioning. Townlean
Grapefruit - I like Grape's read on Trobairitz a lot. His response to RE about generic starts also looks solid. But he needs to interact with more people. For now, Townlean
Neutral
Voxxicus - He feels almost guarded. This could just be town paranoia, but I'm not sure. I'm at a bit of a loss here. I think he's openly choosing to not read very well, but I'm not sure there. We shall see. Neutral
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MarkoRaj
Scumlean
ScarletCelestial - Where are the Scarlets of yesteryear? I don't see nearly enough energy in her posts. I want a lot more to move her out of a… Scumlean
Scarlet Rage - Self-contradictory in their comments to RE, and unexplained vote on non-poster. Ehh. This is all I really see here. Need to see more, but given that the only things I'm seeing are scummy… Scumlean
Trobairitz - Trobairitz seems to not have nearly enough reasoning and is kinda opportunistic. I feel like even in her longer posts, she's not saying very much. Her posts are also just a pain to read. Scumlean
Tubba Fett - I always scumread Tubba, but wow they didn't post well. AGAIN. But okay, let's see what there is to work with… Defensiveness and grandstanding… Eww. Scumlean
I wish I could quote just parts. I feel particularly curious to where you think I am self-contradictory. I like people holding me to the fire, but I don't like skepticism without more (unless it owns it). Otherwise, you feel just as reasonless as you claim Trob is.
I'm not sure your alignment Osi but I love the style of posting you use. Reminds me of a young Cerb or Drixx.
I didn't like the posts about Tammy towards RE; it felt like you were saying
"Tammy might be town"
"But it could be fake"
You then follow up by voting for a nonposter? Huh?
Hi I'm hyped to play!!!!! Lots of cool people, I got so excited seeing I was placed in this game - I know some people already (yes hi Empoof for one!!) and am particularly excited to play with Voxx (and hope he's town), but am also looking forward to getting to know everyone that I don't!!
I've never played phases as long as this before so I'm not too sure what to expect from it being different, but it's always exciting experiencing new stuff like this so I'm sure it'll be fun!!!
Entrances I've liked include Trobairitz's/Empoof's/Tubba Fett's/maybe Tammy; liked in this case may or may not mean liked as in alignment-wise!!
Ara is claiming to be hyped, excited, looking forwards to playing with people, even talks about entrances they liked, but then...peaces out after one post?
I struggle to see that coming from Ara as town, feel like that excitement would have translated to diving in and actually engaging a little bit because she couldn't help herself.
This feels like you're arguing pretty much purely on activity... Do not like.
Hi I'm hyped to play!!!!! Lots of cool people, I got so excited seeing I was placed in this game - I know some people already (yes hi Empoof for one!!) and am particularly excited to play with Voxx (and hope he's town), but am also looking forward to getting to know everyone that I don't!!
I've never played phases as long as this before so I'm not too sure what to expect from it being different, but it's always exciting experiencing new stuff like this so I'm sure it'll be fun!!!
Entrances I've liked include Trobairitz's/Empoof's/Tubba Fett's/maybe Tammy; liked in this case may or may not mean liked as in alignment-wise!!
Ara is claiming to be hyped, excited, looking forwards to playing with people, even talks about entrances they liked, but then...peaces out after one post?
I struggle to see that coming from Ara as town, feel like that excitement would have translated to diving in and actually engaging a little bit because she couldn't help herself.
While I don't disagree with the substance of this post, why move now? The wagon you had started got traction from two arguably highly townread players (I think I am the only pressurer of them) and thus had pressure and a counter. Why move your vote at all and just comment on the peace out?
Because... my vote was on Empoof from RVS/one of the first posts of the game, and I'd rather vote for someone I think is a wolf?
And it's not an activity read, it's a mindset read - it's specifically making one post about how excited and hyped they are to play, and then not actually playing/participating in the discussion going on. If they were town and genuinely excited, I think they dig into the game there and actually engage/participate, rather than just dropping the one post and leaving.
If she hadn't posted at all she'd be straight null - there just feels like a disparity/disconnect between words and actions that is partially based on knowing Ara.
RE - RE posting her scumgame looks bizarre. That said, I'm seeing some mindmeld here, especially on Tammy, and some good subtlety in her posts. Light Townread
Tammy - Light townread for food stuff. Not even kidding. Tammy is fluffy, from what I remember, but in a good way. She keeps things casual in tone even when she's posting seriously, which I like a lot. Also some mindmeld. Overall, I just love reading Tammy's posts. Light Townread
Townlean
Foopme - Empoof is fun to read. I don't like that he put himself as confscum, his response to Voxx is dubious, and his posts are fluffy, but his reads are decent and he has some good prods/questioning. Townlean
Grapefruit - I like Grape's read on Trobairitz a lot. His response to RE about generic starts also looks solid. But he needs to interact with more people. For now, Townlean
Neutral
Voxxicus - He feels almost guarded. This could just be town paranoia, but I'm not sure. I'm at a bit of a loss here. I think he's openly choosing to not read very well, but I'm not sure there. We shall see. Neutral
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MarkoRaj
Scumlean
ScarletCelestial - Where are the Scarlets of yesteryear? I don't see nearly enough energy in her posts. I want a lot more to move her out of a… Scumlean
Scarlet Rage - Self-contradictory in their comments to RE, and unexplained vote on non-poster. Ehh. This is all I really see here. Need to see more, but given that the only things I'm seeing are scummy… Scumlean
Trobairitz - Trobairitz seems to not have nearly enough reasoning and is kinda opportunistic. I feel like even in her longer posts, she's not saying very much. Her posts are also just a pain to read. Scumlean
Tubba Fett - I always scumread Tubba, but wow they didn't post well. AGAIN. But okay, let's see what there is to work with… Defensiveness and grandstanding… Eww. Scumlean
I wish I could quote just parts. I feel particularly curious to where you think I am self-contradictory. I like people holding me to the fire, but I don't like skepticism without more (unless it owns it). Otherwise, you feel just as reasonless as you claim Trob is.
I'm not sure your alignment Osi but I love the style of posting you use. Reminds me of a young Cerb or Drixx.
I didn't like the posts about Tammy towards RE; it felt like you were saying
"Tammy might be town"
"But it could be fake"
You then follow up by voting for a nonposter? Huh?
No. My read on Tammy is lean scum. I think her attitude may be faked but I am not bet the farm.
I voted to create a data point of equal wagons, I am also happy it is against my weak SR for now because I want reactions and followthrough on wagons. I feel its far too early to get a strong read.
What you are seeing as a contradiction is me hunting slots by judging their reactions to other slots.
For instance in Vox's shoes, I keep my RVS vote in place because it spawned a counterwagon even if the slot I would have been voting is a non poster because it created things to read. That's the point of RVS. Unvoting dissolves that tension, particularly when voting for Ara. While Ara is excited and not here, Marko is equally not here and there's a wagon on him. Vox's position makes me go hmmph a bit.
Oh lord you read that game, I'd blocked that one out. First game with Titus too. RIP that was the first game I used a notebook to do VCA and partner pairings.
I would say that Scarlet has some incredibly good tone as scum (reference: Creatures Mash) so I'm probably more wary of them being held so highly so early. Might have been projecting that onto you, thinking other people should feel that way. Don't really see that post personally as super genuine but I can see you thinking it.
Solid response.
Don't... really like you editing your post after the fact but meh. That's more me being picky.
You over RE? Done with that business?
If a wolf has posted so far who do you think it is?
To reply to this: I have gotten much worse at being scum since Creatures, when I literally didn't have any Town games at that point so didn't have to fake things as badly as I do now, but it's probably a good thing that you bought that up.
Concerning RE, I swear they have completely different goals as different alignments. As Town their questioning is much better and they sound much less like they're in commentary mode.
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Hi I'm hyped to play!!!!! Lots of cool people, I got so excited seeing I was placed in this game - I know some people already (yes hi Empoof for one!!) and am particularly excited to play with Voxx (and hope he's town), but am also looking forward to getting to know everyone that I don't!!
I've never played phases as long as this before so I'm not too sure what to expect from it being different, but it's always exciting experiencing new stuff like this so I'm sure it'll be fun!!!
Entrances I've liked include Trobairitz's/Empoof's/Tubba Fett's/maybe Tammy; liked in this case may or may not mean liked as in alignment-wise!!
(Ara was in the game where I was last scum, so you can probably ask them about how good I was in that, but personally I think I was better in Waking Life and somehow worse in Fate which Titus caught me both times in.)
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I don't like Osie's read on Foopme nor his response to Vox's read on Ara... But it feels awkward enough for it to come from a town!Osie rather than a scum!Osie...
I also didn't see the contradiction in Scarlet Rage's read on Tammy. I read her enthusiasm as town, he read her enthusiasm as forced.
Concerning RE, I swear they have completely different goals as different alignments. As Town their questioning is much better and they sound much less like they're in commentary mode.
The phrasing of this is interesting. I mean, of course the goals are different, I want to kill town as scum, I want to kill scum as town.
How much of my scum meta are you familiar with? I don't think I've played as scum in any game with you before.
I want to say there's scum in Ara/Tubba/Osie/Marko. Otherwise it'd mean all the wolves are dominating the thread and I just find that a bit unlikely.
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Thank you osie that’s sweet! I read your reads list but I’m mostly in somewhat observational mode at the moment so I don’t have anything to comment on right this second.
You are always an enigma to me. You hate drawing scum, yet scum is just providing people what they want rather than hunting scum. As town, you're quite warm and affiable while scumhunting. Yet, I fail to see how a "nice wall" moves the game forward. I also feel like we're dancing around each other.
What do you think of the competing wagons? Do you feel I joinex a scum driven wagon? Do you feel both wagons are on scum? Unsure?
First I’ll say I don’t care about the wagons. Wagons this early in the day when I have barely a lean on most of the game mean nothing to me. I am not, have never been, a wagon based player. After some reads, after some flips, maybe I’ll look at wagon progression if I’m feeling lost or need completeness, but right now it’s meaningless to me.
We don’t have to be dancing around each other, I reached out to you in my first post. You ignored it. I wondered if your first post about me was intended to try to start an argument or discredit me because I thought that you might have realized that trying to tilt me or discredit me was more effectual than trying to work with me as scum. You’ve not had a hard time reading me as town before, sure you’ve gotten paranoid and had your doubts at times, but I’ve not been a universal scum read for you so that read off. You even bringing up ‘nice walls’ not moving the game forward feels in that vein.
If I’m affable even when scumhunting, it’s just because I rarely forget there are real people with real feelings behind these handles and some people are tough and others aren’t, and quite frankly I don’t know anything and try not to lose sight of that fact. I think I do just fine most of the time moving the game forward, and I think you know that. I get toxic and pissed sometimes, sure, but I don’t set out to make anyone feel bad. I’ll go ahead and accept that’s a weakness in my play, but it’s just who I am.
I hate drawing scum because it’s emotionally taxing for me in a way that drains me, and it’s just no fun.
I’m not going to fight with you. If you’re town and you want to work with me, I’m more than happy to, but I will ignore most things that have to do with me being scum because it’s wrong and I don’t want to fight, and I won’t respond to things that feel like baiting or try to force a conversation because I don’t want to fight. It’s neither productive for the game or my sanity.
RE - RE posting her scumgame looks bizarre. That said, I'm seeing some mindmeld here, especially on Tammy, and some good subtlety in her posts. Light Townread
Tammy - Light townread for food stuff. Not even kidding. Tammy is fluffy, from what I remember, but in a good way. She keeps things casual in tone even when she's posting seriously, which I like a lot. Also some mindmeld. Overall, I just love reading Tammy's posts. Light Townread
Townlean
Foopme - Empoof is fun to read. I don't like that he put himself as confscum, his response to Voxx is dubious, and his posts are fluffy, but his reads are decent and he has some good prods/questioning. Townlean
Grapefruit - I like Grape's read on Trobairitz a lot. His response to RE about generic starts also looks solid. But he needs to interact with more people. For now, Townlean
Neutral
Voxxicus - He feels almost guarded. This could just be town paranoia, but I'm not sure. I'm at a bit of a loss here. I think he's openly choosing to not read very well, but I'm not sure there. We shall see. Neutral
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MarkoRaj
Scumlean
ScarletCelestial - Where are the Scarlets of yesteryear? I don't see nearly enough energy in her posts. I want a lot more to move her out of a… Scumlean
Scarlet Rage - Self-contradictory in their comments to RE, and unexplained vote on non-poster. Ehh. This is all I really see here. Need to see more, but given that the only things I'm seeing are scummy… Scumlean
Trobairitz - Trobairitz seems to not have nearly enough reasoning and is kinda opportunistic. I feel like even in her longer posts, she's not saying very much. Her posts are also just a pain to read. Scumlean
Tubba Fett - I always scumread Tubba, but wow they didn't post well. AGAIN. But okay, let's see what there is to work with… Defensiveness and grandstanding… Eww. Scumlean
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RE - How is posting her scumgame bizzare when in a number of games they have been scumread for their posting style? I reference my scum game for the convenienece of others too, simply because I have been told that I'm only ever really been Townread based on meta.
Tammy - What did you mindmeld on?
Empoof - Why is Empoof calling himself scum pinging you? Personally, I wouldn't take much stock in it at this point and it sounds more of a joke.
Grape - What about Grape's read on Trob specifically, that it is the same sort of read as yours or something about it's composition or tone?
Scarlet - Why do you think I'm lacking in energy?
Titus - How is an RVS on a 0-poster an issue at this stage?
Trob - Opportunistic how?
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And I definitely like her response to Vox's answer to her question regarding my entrance. I was fine with Vox' reply, but she brought up a point I didn't consider earlier.
Why do you think this point makes her Townie? (Besides providing a different angle of view?)
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"Is it possible to be tsundere towards friends and family?"
Tammy does not like scum. You and I have different vibes ftr.
Her enthusiasm reads to me as town motivated. I suppose it may be overblown, but it's not scummy imo.
Why? If Tammy doesn't like scum, faking enthusiasm is exactly the correct move.
this strongly depends on the person behind the screen imo, for people who find scum to be taxing mentally it can eventually get draining to put up a facade. i suspect that if tammy is known for being easy to read (which as far as I am aware she is, or a lot of people claim to be able to read her bare minimum) then she's like me and not very good at faking emotion like that, or at least that facade is easy to see through.
Occam says this is just town tammy to me
also after some sleep and Aligning Chakras I'm on RE as town too, not really sure why i didnt get to that faster
A harsh accented voice seems to come from everywhere and nowhere...(although with a decent perception check you surmise it's coming from the area with the scorched hoofprints)
So the Mass Suggestion didn't work...
Maybe it's just the BIFOM, but does anyone know Empoof's meta enough to say whether or not he'd act so over the top cheesy scum?
Also, fwiw I'm a poached egg guy, you boil the egg laying creature alive just long enough to get a nice gooey centre, fabulous on toast.
@RE1031
I hope my seeming disconnectedness wears off over time. I tend to read games voraciously, but typically have little insight into things on Day One. Tonal reads and meta reads seem to rule the day and I'm just not very good with those. Rest assured it's not intentional lurking, I like to think of it more as ambushing (that's why I'm invisible! <invisible wink>)
? empoof doesn't really seem that over the top to me, walk me through why you feel that way?
honestly im not really vibing with the scumreads on him at all though and that wagon's bigger than i thought
And I definitely like her response to Vox's answer to her question regarding my entrance. I was fine with Vox' reply, but she brought up a point I didn't consider earlier.
Why do you think this point makes her Townie? (Besides providing a different angle of view?)
It's the different point of view I liked, or rather than she didn't just dismiss my entrance as NAI. She went one step further by considering my experience as a factor.
? empoof doesn't really seem that over the top to me, walk me through why you feel that way?
honestly im not really vibing with the scumreads on him at all though and that wagon's bigger than i thought
He's joked a couple times that he's scum. A couple of his reads make zero sense and at this point I can only assume they're joke reads. He welcomed the scumread I have on him. It's pretty over the top.
(the wagon is at 2 votes I think, after Vox moved on to Ara)
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When the point of no return appears, it is already behind you.
Voxx's Ara push is decently solid actually. Not enough to make me move off my RVS vote because that's solid, but it reminds me of how I got caught as scum once. Interested to see what he brings today.
Considering 138, @Tammy I have a few questions for you based on it.
How are you reading what's been made by Titus thus far? Since you don't seem to like what they've been doing.
Based on your third paragraph, may I ask if you think you're an aggressive player?
Why won't you like to respond to anything about your possibility of being scum?
I'm in wait and see mode on Titus. I don't particularly like what they've said about me because it doesn't quite gel with our past experience.
No, I'm not an aggressive player unless I need to be, the game is going in a direction I don't like and I need to take over and lead, or there are no town leaders in the game and I need to step up, or I have a scum read I believe in. I think I'm an assertive but waffly player; I don't think I'm that aggressive as a matter of course.
I imagine I'll respond to anyone else, but I won't respond to titus calling me scum. I don't really like being called scum when I'm town and it can get a bit explosive between me and Titus. It's not productive, the game will suffer, and I'm most likely to end up replacing out which would suck on all accounts. I think the best approach is to take a bit of reasoned detachment where that is concerned. If that makes sense.
I got a link to your role pm and gotta say I’m not that impressed.
Empoof, how did you manage to get a slight Town read on Tammy just by asking about eggs? Like, are you some sort of genius, is this a reaction test or do I have any reason to squint at you like Voxx suggested in the event of weirdness?
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"Yes, because Scarlet is"
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Except it's not shallow enthusiasm, it's enthusiasm coupled with decent game-related posts. Something also difficult to maintain throughout the game.
Let's get out of RVS.
Now we’ve got a stew going!
So the Mass Suggestion didn't work...
Maybe it's just the BIFOM, but does anyone know Empoof's meta enough to say whether or not he'd act so over the top cheesy scum?
Also, fwiw I'm a poached egg guy, you boil the egg laying creature alive just long enough to get a nice gooey centre, fabulous on toast.
@RE1031
I hope my seeming disconnectedness wears off over time. I tend to read games voraciously, but typically have little insight into things on Day One. Tonal reads and meta reads seem to rule the day and I'm just not very good with those. Rest assured it's not intentional lurking, I like to think of it more as ambushing (that's why I'm invisible! <invisible wink>)
MarkoRaj (3): Foopme, Trobairitz, Scarlet Rage
RE1031 (1): ScarletCelestial
Trobairitz (1): Grapefruit21
Not Voting (4): Osieorb18, Tubba Fett, Arapocalypse, MarkoRaj
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends at 14:30 Eastern Time on August 1st unless there is a majority lynch.
Problems with this vote count? PM me or DM me on Discord for the fastest response. Posting something in-thread will probably get my attention eventually.
I hate meta reads. I'll look to sort you early. How you feel bout that?
Is it within Marko's meta to just not post as scum as opposed to town? Or is everyone else varying degrees of townie/neutral that a zero poster would a preferable place to vote? Plz educate me
First, I am wierd in that I feel that d1 is pure random barring a scumslip. To me, any lynch other than myself is statistically more likely to hit scum. "Random" lynches are technically the optimal play d1. I'm not advocating that because random defeats the point of playing, but that argument is persuasive.
However, you defending the slot and opportunity to get reactions can start to jump start scumhunting and helps me sort whether this is strategy disagreement, white knight, or buddy defense.
I am very peculiar in that I study wagon momentum and VCA.
Town
Osieorb18 - Me
Light Townread
RE - RE posting her scumgame looks bizarre. That said, I'm seeing some mindmeld here, especially on Tammy, and some good subtlety in her posts. Light Townread
Tammy - Light townread for food stuff. Not even kidding. Tammy is fluffy, from what I remember, but in a good way. She keeps things casual in tone even when she's posting seriously, which I like a lot. Also some mindmeld. Overall, I just love reading Tammy's posts. Light Townread
Townlean
Foopme - Empoof is fun to read. I don't like that he put himself as confscum, his response to Voxx is dubious, and his posts are fluffy, but his reads are decent and he has some good prods/questioning. Townlean
Grapefruit - I like Grape's read on Trobairitz a lot. His response to RE about generic starts also looks solid. But he needs to interact with more people. For now, Townlean
Neutral
Voxxicus - He feels almost guarded. This could just be town paranoia, but I'm not sure. I'm at a bit of a loss here. I think he's openly choosing to not read very well, but I'm not sure there. We shall see. Neutral
Not Enough Info
Arapocalypse
MarkoRaj
Scumlean
ScarletCelestial - Where are the Scarlets of yesteryear? I don't see nearly enough energy in her posts. I want a lot more to move her out of a… Scumlean
Scarlet Rage - Self-contradictory in their comments to RE, and unexplained vote on non-poster. Ehh. This is all I really see here. Need to see more, but given that the only things I'm seeing are scummy… Scumlean
Trobairitz - Trobairitz seems to not have nearly enough reasoning and is kinda opportunistic. I feel like even in her longer posts, she's not saying very much. Her posts are also just a pain to read. Scumlean
Tubba Fett - I always scumread Tubba, but wow they didn't post well. AGAIN. But okay, let's see what there is to work with… Defensiveness and grandstanding… Eww. Scumlean
Thanks! That makes sense; I wasn’t even considering it with thread flow.
(I hope I didn’t come across like I was calling you a newb because that wasn’t my intention.)
No worries, I'd still consider myself a newb in some areas
@Osie
What reads from Foopme do you like? I had a good laugh earlier in the day when he put 2 posters as null and a non poster as slight town, but it was but a laugh.
Why is me posting my scum game bizarre?
Agree on Vox. And thanks for the tid bit of info on Tubba.
Re1031 - hate is a mild word for how I feel about playing scum. I do okay at it sometimes and some people think I’m decent at it sometimes, but yes it’s true I hate it.
Can you parse those? What do you mean people like box are easier to read in a macro sense?
Tammy, Grape, you.
But I am seeing a few reads I don't like, primarily MarkoRaj and Trobairitz.
Why would you post just a scum game and why so early? It's not even scummy, just strange.
So, I asked before, but did you not notice that her 53 was a response to me asking for the reason she town read me?
Also, I’m only a little self-absorbed but I’m sure even my egg posts are gems not to be missed. :p. No, but seriously did you actually not read any of my successive posts because egg talk? You called out tubba for what I’m guessing was fluffing about his flavor in his first post but doing nothing else, why didn’t we get that on the egg talk?
1. People were talking about their tells
2. I'm new to most people here so it might come up eventually
3. Awkward at intros, etc
I like this post. I think it makes up for the slight eye-twitch I had when you said you’d kill anyone who didn’t look villagery day one.
I wish I could quote just parts. I feel particularly curious to where you think I am self-contradictory. I like people holding me to the fire, but I don't like skepticism without more (unless it owns it). Otherwise, you feel just as reasonless as you claim Trob is.
I'm not sure your alignment Osi but I love the style of posting you use. Reminds me of a young Cerb or Drixx.
I am creating data points to analyze via social psychology VCA analysis.
You are always an enigma to me. You hate drawing scum, yet scum is just providing people what they want rather than hunting scum. As town, you're quite warm and affiable while scumhunting. Yet, I fail to see how a "nice wall" moves the game forward. I also feel like we're dancing around each other.
What do you think of the competing wagons? Do you feel I joinex a scum driven wagon? Do you feel both wagons are on scum? Unsure?
Sorry, Empoof, but not waiting 3 days.
The word of the day here is 'disconnect'.
Ara is claiming to be hyped, excited, looking forwards to playing with people, even talks about entrances they liked, but then...peaces out after one post?
I struggle to see that coming from Ara as town, feel like that excitement would have translated to diving in and actually engaging a little bit because she couldn't help herself.
While I don't disagree with the substance of this post, why move now? The wagon you had started got traction from two arguably highly townread players (I think I am the only pressurer of them) and thus had pressure and a counter. Why move your vote at all and just comment on the peace out?
I didn't like the posts about Tammy towards RE; it felt like you were saying
"Tammy might be town"
"But it could be fake"
You then follow up by voting for a nonposter? Huh?
This feels like you're arguing pretty much purely on activity... Do not like.
VOX'S READ ON ARA IS NOT AT ALL DIFFERENT FROM YOUR'S ON SCARLET
*clears throat*
Because... my vote was on Empoof from RVS/one of the first posts of the game, and I'd rather vote for someone I think is a wolf?
If she hadn't posted at all she'd be straight null - there just feels like a disparity/disconnect between words and actions that is partially based on knowing Ara.
No. My read on Tammy is lean scum. I think her attitude may be faked but I am not bet the farm.
I voted to create a data point of equal wagons, I am also happy it is against my weak SR for now because I want reactions and followthrough on wagons. I feel its far too early to get a strong read.
What you are seeing as a contradiction is me hunting slots by judging their reactions to other slots.
For instance in Vox's shoes, I keep my RVS vote in place because it spawned a counterwagon even if the slot I would have been voting is a non poster because it created things to read. That's the point of RVS. Unvoting dissolves that tension, particularly when voting for Ara. While Ara is excited and not here, Marko is equally not here and there's a wagon on him. Vox's position makes me go hmmph a bit.
Especially when very few existing votes are because the person thinks they are voting for a wolf.
To reply to this: I have gotten much worse at being scum since Creatures, when I literally didn't have any Town games at that point so didn't have to fake things as badly as I do now, but it's probably a good thing that you bought that up.
Concerning RE, I swear they have completely different goals as different alignments. As Town their questioning is much better and they sound much less like they're in commentary mode.
(Ara was in the game where I was last scum, so you can probably ask them about how good I was in that, but personally I think I was better in Waking Life and somehow worse in Fate which Titus caught me both times in.)
I also didn't see the contradiction in Scarlet Rage's read on Tammy. I read her enthusiasm as town, he read her enthusiasm as forced.
The phrasing of this is interesting. I mean, of course the goals are different, I want to kill town as scum, I want to kill scum as town.
How much of my scum meta are you familiar with? I don't think I've played as scum in any game with you before.
I want to say there's scum in Ara/Tubba/Osie/Marko. Otherwise it'd mean all the wolves are dominating the thread and I just find that a bit unlikely.
First I’ll say I don’t care about the wagons. Wagons this early in the day when I have barely a lean on most of the game mean nothing to me. I am not, have never been, a wagon based player. After some reads, after some flips, maybe I’ll look at wagon progression if I’m feeling lost or need completeness, but right now it’s meaningless to me.
We don’t have to be dancing around each other, I reached out to you in my first post. You ignored it. I wondered if your first post about me was intended to try to start an argument or discredit me because I thought that you might have realized that trying to tilt me or discredit me was more effectual than trying to work with me as scum. You’ve not had a hard time reading me as town before, sure you’ve gotten paranoid and had your doubts at times, but I’ve not been a universal scum read for you so that read off. You even bringing up ‘nice walls’ not moving the game forward feels in that vein.
If I’m affable even when scumhunting, it’s just because I rarely forget there are real people with real feelings behind these handles and some people are tough and others aren’t, and quite frankly I don’t know anything and try not to lose sight of that fact. I think I do just fine most of the time moving the game forward, and I think you know that. I get toxic and pissed sometimes, sure, but I don’t set out to make anyone feel bad. I’ll go ahead and accept that’s a weakness in my play, but it’s just who I am.
I hate drawing scum because it’s emotionally taxing for me in a way that drains me, and it’s just no fun.
I’m not going to fight with you. If you’re town and you want to work with me, I’m more than happy to, but I will ignore most things that have to do with me being scum because it’s wrong and I don’t want to fight, and I won’t respond to things that feel like baiting or try to force a conversation because I don’t want to fight. It’s neither productive for the game or my sanity.
Doesn't that also mean that they're contradicting themselves, so shouldn't really be criticising Titus for that either?
@osieorb18
RE - How is posting her scumgame bizzare when in a number of games they have been scumread for their posting style? I reference my scum game for the convenienece of others too, simply because I have been told that I'm only ever really been Townread based on meta.
Tammy - What did you mindmeld on?
Empoof - Why is Empoof calling himself scum pinging you? Personally, I wouldn't take much stock in it at this point and it sounds more of a joke.
Grape - What about Grape's read on Trob specifically, that it is the same sort of read as yours or something about it's composition or tone?
Scarlet - Why do you think I'm lacking in energy?
Titus - How is an RVS on a 0-poster an issue at this stage?
Trob - Opportunistic how?
This is the ******* truth. This is me as scum, 99% of the time, the 1% being that time my team got town to lynch the cop instead of their red check.
Oh yeah, definitely. We'll see what Osie has to say.
Why do you think this point makes her Townie? (Besides providing a different angle of view?)
this strongly depends on the person behind the screen imo, for people who find scum to be taxing mentally it can eventually get draining to put up a facade. i suspect that if tammy is known for being easy to read (which as far as I am aware she is, or a lot of people claim to be able to read her bare minimum) then she's like me and not very good at faking emotion like that, or at least that facade is easy to see through.
Occam says this is just town tammy to me
also after some sleep and Aligning Chakras I'm on RE as town too, not really sure why i didnt get to that faster
I said this lol, how did it get attributed to Celestial?
? empoof doesn't really seem that over the top to me, walk me through why you feel that way?
honestly im not really vibing with the scumreads on him at all though and that wagon's bigger than i thought
It's the different point of view I liked, or rather than she didn't just dismiss my entrance as NAI. She went one step further by considering my experience as a factor.
I'm bad at splitting quotes, lol.
He's joked a couple times that he's scum. A couple of his reads make zero sense and at this point I can only assume they're joke reads. He welcomed the scumread I have on him. It's pretty over the top.
(the wagon is at 2 votes I think, after Vox moved on to Ara)
How are you reading what's been made by Titus thus far? Since you don't seem to like what they've been doing.
Based on your third paragraph, may I ask if you think you're an aggressive player?
Why won't you like to respond to anything about your possibility of being scum?
I'm in wait and see mode on Titus. I don't particularly like what they've said about me because it doesn't quite gel with our past experience.
No, I'm not an aggressive player unless I need to be, the game is going in a direction I don't like and I need to take over and lead, or there are no town leaders in the game and I need to step up, or I have a scum read I believe in. I think I'm an assertive but waffly player; I don't think I'm that aggressive as a matter of course.
I imagine I'll respond to anyone else, but I won't respond to titus calling me scum. I don't really like being called scum when I'm town and it can get a bit explosive between me and Titus. It's not productive, the game will suffer, and I'm most likely to end up replacing out which would suck on all accounts. I think the best approach is to take a bit of reasoned detachment where that is concerned. If that makes sense.
Empoof, how did you manage to get a slight Town read on Tammy just by asking about eggs? Like, are you some sort of genius, is this a reaction test or do I have any reason to squint at you like Voxx suggested in the event of weirdness?