So I’m still not sold on the grape/osie w/w world but let me look over stuff again
If you can spell it out for me that’d be ideal
im not too sure i just got a little ticked off when he keeps labeling all my posts as scum
In terms of team building there are better candidates than Grape
But this tunneling doesn't feel townie
Okay
I just remembered that Osie post that I said “this is neat” too and thought it spewed grape town based on some wording and mindset.
But like, not crazy excited about grape coming in and flicking scum at us for that interaction. Hard for me to view it from their perspective.
I should get back with 2 hours left in the phase so if we don't hammer until then, I'll reread
Feels like town is idling kinda hard. Don’t think it’s gonna happen. There’s like a 5% chance I’m even making it to EoD unless something screwy goes on with my break timings
I’m clocking on, will try to set an alarm for like 3ish hours from now and go to the restroom around then, no promises since it’s a big production day today
We need to settle on some sort of consensus, please do this.
As a last hurrah I’m spewed town if any of grape/osie/Ara are wolves and I’m not w/w with voxx and probably Titus. Whichever of osie/grape is town, read over my crazy ass play and look into your heart of hearts so we can lunch wolves
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So I’m still not sold on the grape/osie w/w world but let me look over stuff again
If you can spell it out for me that’d be ideal
im not too sure i just got a little ticked off when he keeps labeling all my posts as scum
In terms of team building there are better candidates than Grape
But this tunneling doesn't feel townie
Tunneling is usually more likely to be town than scum. Also, you're saying your read is pretty much entirely OMGUS? What? Well, I was townreading you this game before you suddenly turned into Wisp.
This is extremely similar to a game empoof and I wolfed together.
I'm fairly confident in this read.
He goes from half baked to super confident at the touch of a button. Low engagement, fake stream of consciousness. I'm just not seeing hip-firing villa empoof here at all.
What on earth? Can we not please? It would be really nice if we could get Osieorb instead of Empoof lynched here; what even is your read here?
You and Empoof are better wagons than I should ever be on a Day 1. The fact that you're both not self-preserving on each other is bizarre.
That's actually a bit surprising; why did you self-pres onto me instead of Empoof at the time? Also I thought there was still at least one person voting Osieorb, oops...
Ah. Took the VC from Page 18 and moved the people who moved onto me from the calculations - the only wagons with 2+ were me and you.
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So I’m still not sold on the grape/osie w/w world but let me look over stuff again
If you can spell it out for me that’d be ideal
im not too sure i just got a little ticked off when he keeps labeling all my posts as scum
In terms of team building there are better candidates than Grape
But this tunneling doesn't feel townie
Tunneling is usually more likely to be town than scum. Also, you're saying your read is pretty much entirely OMGUS? What? Well, I was townreading you this game before you suddenly turned into Wisp.
I am starting to think SC with Empoof again. I dunno. Kinda crazy tired
W/W coordination - Quite possible. Would explain the jump off of Ara at her request.
Only Empoof wolf - Ara's behavior seems strange for this, but but Empoof could be going out of his way to pocket her.
Only Ara wolf - I doubt that this is the case, but if it is then Empoof has been playing into the scumteam's hands for some reason all game.
Both town - No way, Jose. This is a world where both are town, they've followed each other onto bad reads, and they're both contradicting themselves regularly. It just seems so contrasting to their reputations as solid players.
Titus for the final time can you please explain what about the VC means things and what interactions mean things because it would seriously help me determine your alignment.
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So I’m still not sold on the grape/osie w/w world but let me look over stuff again
If you can spell it out for me that’d be ideal
im not too sure i just got a little ticked off when he keeps labeling all my posts as scum
In terms of team building there are better candidates than Grape
But this tunneling doesn't feel townie
Tunneling is usually more likely to be town than scum. Also, you're saying your read is pretty much entirely OMGUS? What? Well, I was townreading you this game before you suddenly turned into Wisp.
I am starting to think SC with Empoof again. I dunno. Kinda crazy tired
I'm significantly more down for an Empoof Lynch than a Celeste lynch at the moment, but if it came down to it I'd not be opposed to a Celeste lynch if that was the only majority. But overall, I feel like Empoof is scum puppet mastering this game and it's really concerning.
This is extremely similar to a game empoof and I wolfed together.
I'm fairly confident in this read.
He goes from half baked to super confident at the touch of a button. Low engagement, fake stream of consciousness. I'm just not seeing hip-firing villa empoof here at all.
This is just like my read on Manti in Frostpunk it is seriously worrying me. (Manti was following prior scum behaviour of their's and goddamint I should've shot them)
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Empoof starts off more sure of himself - he's using much less vocabulary that suggests indecision. This changes about midway in to be a lot more hedgy, such as his recent readlist. He then goes back to seeming more sure this page. It's like he's forgetting that he shoukd be sounding uncertain.
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I'm not going to be around for deadline, but my vote is in one of the places I most want it to be. Also, I'm pretty sure that most of the times when two top scumreads have been voting me, at least one has definitely been scum.
Actually, there is a way an Empoof town, Ara scum world works, which is if Ara is sheeping town!Empoof's incorrect read. I still think that's less likely than either of the Empoof scum worlds though.
First readlist where he puts Marko as confirmed scum feels like he's trying to establish a connection between them, in retrospect.
A few of his early comments he didn't follow up on at that point: my tone being NAI and Titus' 0 poster wagon. His read of me contradicts what he said before that, possibly because he forgot what he said. (Which suggests the comment he made was for an ulterior motive).
His tone is better than the last time I saw him as scum.
Very fluffy early on, doesn't seem to do much hunting that can be explained.
Empoof trying to coax a Townread off Ara is eh.
His drunk post still feels good, but I've said that about other drunk posts and gave been wrong. Calling out the majority thing is also good, but only slightly since scum!Empoof would likely not want to be on my wagon when I flip.
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Yeah, my brain is glossing over posts pretty hard.
I'll try and ISO some contentious people tomorrow.
I think Tammy and Empoof are solidly town.
I actually think Tubba is super likely to be town here, but I'm going to admit that's largely off sponging teammate reads as posts of his get linked.
I'm not sure I want to touch Osie or SC with a ten foot pole after that conversation above until I have time to dwell on it. It's... pretty gross as either alignment but I need to figure out if I think it makes them both town, or if I just want them to be both town.
I don't really understand why there are votes on Grapefruit, but I also don't have any recollection of Grapefruit making any posts, so maybe that answers my own question. He's on the docket to look into in the morning/afternoon tomorrow.
I think Titus is >rand to be a wolf this game, for reasons I'm struggling to articulate. Feels like there's an element of 'give people what they want' to their posts, and there was something specifically I need to pull out of their ISO to look at. Guess I'll just try to do it now while I'm thinking about it:
You can join us on Grape then. Right now, I think he has a >50% chance of being scum. Not as high as the fake scarlet but we need wagon pressure.
Titus posted this, and it feels like a disconnect to me between saying there's two people that are >50% likely to be scum, and them talking about how D1 is a total crapshoot, that they'd lynch at rand if they could, etc. Ties into that 'give people what they want' feeling, I just have trouble connecting them genuinely believing there's 2 people that are >50% likely to be a wolf with also having the belief that lynching d1 is random-ish.
I have no idea on Marko. He hadn't really posted by time I was unable to follow things closely, might take a look at him before EoD, but more likely I just shuffle him off to D2 as it doesn't seem like he's a priority to assess right now.
My team is side eyeing RE and Trob a little bit, but that kind of sounds like a D2 thing for me to look at also, probably.
I'm still missing a chunk of game, and want to do a full re-read, but that's not happening before EoD. I guess I'm at [Ara, Titus] > [Grapefruit, Marko, RE, Trob] as my rough PoE right now, but that'll obviously get refined soon. I think I've talked myself into maybe town reading both Osie and SC while writing this post, and that could be a mistake, but is what it is for now. [Voxx, Tammy, Empoof, Tubba, Osie, SC] town core? Hum.
Voxxicus
Tammy
Empoof
Tubba
SC
Osie
Grapefruit
Marko
RE
Trob
Titus
Ara
RE/Trob are possibly too low, that's almost entirely based on some throwaway team recommendations to look at them closer, but having them in the null cluster with Grape/Marko feels about right given that.
Also, I'm sitting on a take which may or may not be hot (probably hot with wagons how they are now), meant to be released when certain conditions are met - just a general headsup!!!
Hey, so remember this thought I had ages ago? I'm a little surprised that no one's asked about it, but the conditions have finally been met: Voxx has returned to the thread!!! And I rescind whatever read I had on him (unless I was suspecting him, in which case you go past Ara but I don't remember) and I declare him guilty of all charges!!!!
To sum up:
~ Your read on me is the safest of safe reads, and it's just lazy; you of... maybe not all, but several people should especially know that my attention here isn't alignment-indicative!! Pushing me here is exactly a good option here for you because it's easy!
~ Your pushing on me after you've been afk here forever is kinda dumb!! The reiteration of the vote on me was also a LAMIST moment, and the fact that you still haven't been able to let that go?! Look at my words while I'm here, not the fact that I have other things going on outside of the thread, and you clearly haven't done that!!!
~ Having me and Titus as your bottom two also makes absolutely no sense off of what I've been doing and I don't see how you can still have that read ever after reading my posts, which makes me think that you likely never read them, and yet you still have me as your top suspect?! Seriously?!?!
~ You've elaborated on how you think Titus is more likely than not to be mafia, and yet you still have me as your bottom mafia?
~ Apparently that is something that you normally think about, and the fact that you're not is a major red flag!!!
~ Other strong words that I'm not going to put here but in short... my team really wants you and everything you hold dear dead and burned to the ground!!!
Unrelated, sorry that I wasn't here last night; things, um, did not proceed as expected!!!
Nope.
This is not a post from a villager.
I 100% do not believe that Lissa and Visor have the reads you say they do on me if you are a villager here. Like, given you're a wolf I'm sure they do want me dead for trying to lynch you, but this is purely an appeal to authority thing that you're partially hiding behind. It's just not a real thing that has happened at all.
Also like, I don't believe that the 'spicy hot take' thing you were referring to back in the 300's was a real thought. You were town reading me prior to that, and everything you're talking about happened /after/ that. That's a massive disconnect that is just you using that comment to try and fit the narrative you're trying to paint.
You're also using language aimed to /discredit/ rather than things that you would if you think I'm actually a wolf here. It almost sounds like you're whining that I'm scum reading you for the reasons I am, caught for the wrong reasons maybe? Like. Why would I 'let it go' if I think it's something that makes you more likely to be a wolf? How is me still thinking you're a wolf 'dumb' just because I've been out of the thread for a while? It doesn't make your alignment change because I couldn't post for a few days. I've read your ISO, my team has read your ISO, and it's riddled with empty questions that have either minimal followup, or that we don't really think you're trying to figure out alignments using.
Like, yes? I think you and Titus are both independently wolfy. I'm more sure on the read on you, hence, y'know - lynching you. Titus could still be a wolf, I don't think your 'push' on her is at all an unalignment here, but I'll of course re-read looking for spew specifically after you flip, maybe my mind will be changed at that point, but I don't really do pre-flip associatives the way Newcomb does. I lynch someone I think is a wolf, and /then/ re-read and look for unalignments/world build after I have flips. This reeks of you trying to attack something you can paint as wolfy that just... isn't relevant.
Your initial town read on me because I was pushing you felt like appeasement. I just super do not believe that it's a real progression you had that you went from that town read, to sitting on a 'hot take' to then pushing me using all things that happened after you stated that hot take. There's been multiple instances of the 'appeal to authority' usage of your team reads that do not feel at all genuine, or like conversations with your team that could have actually happened.
Visor and Lissa would not want to kill me on D1, especially when I've had medical issues, given I can and will radiate town when I get engaged in the game. It's the definition of self-resolving, and they both know that.
I was looking forward to playing with you, and it's unfortunate about the wolf rand you got stuck with, but time to die.
Ara also never votes me, despite the max secondary wagon being at like, two, at the time. That is not behavior of someone that genuinely thinks I'm a wolf, it's the behavior of someone that is trying to find a viable mislynch.
Empoof starts off more sure of himself - he's using much less vocabulary that suggests indecision. This changes about midway in to be a lot more hedgy, such as his recent readlist. He then goes back to seeming more sure this page. It's like he's forgetting that he shoukd be sounding uncertain.
Not really seeing it; what, do you expect people to just become more uncertain as it goes, especially close to EoD? This is the time, if no time else, to make stances and figure out where you want to sit! If you think Osieorb is mafia, it would be appreciated if you voted on him, please!!!
Ara, why does this feel like a desperate attempt to try and get me to move off you, when you know I've been doubting my osie read and haven't had the time to go look at them again?
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Vote: Arapocalypse
I mentioned my issues with Ara's 747 and 748. The general tone of their posts seem to be more focused on lining up thoughts with other players as opposed to pushing them. That seems scum instead of scumhunting.
I have some work flexibility so I'll try and keep my fingers on the pulse of the thread leading up to EoD.
W/W coordination - Quite possible. Would explain the jump off of Ara at her request.
Only Empoof wolf - Ara's behavior seems strange for this, but but Empoof could be going out of his way to pocket her.
Only Ara wolf - I doubt that this is the case, but if it is then Empoof has been playing into the scumteam's hands for some reason all game.
Both town - No way, Jose. This is a world where both are town, they've followed each other onto bad reads, and they're both contradicting themselves regularly. It just seems so contrasting to their reputations as solid players.
...What? This is actually a really terrible post; you're basically giving us a w/v read for no reason at all!!
w/w - yes, Empoof's really going to pressure me and only jump off once I bug him about it in thread? If we were w/w, which we're obvious not, we would have mafia chat for that and he would never be on me in the first place!!
w/v Empoof/Ara - Yes, possible, but unlikely from my standpoint; why would my behaviour seem strange for this?
w/v Ara/Empoof - Nope!
v/v - This is the one I have the most issue with; you are literally just reputation reading us, one of whom doesn't even deserve a reputation read at all!!!!! Bad reads? How do you know they are bad and what reads have we followed each other on? Empoof may have voted Titus, but not for long; unless you're just talking about yourself in which case this sentence is still bad!! You have no idea why I'm supposed to be good at mafia at all, and I'm actually mildly surprised that you say that, considering the recently finished games that I've had on MU have been absolute garbage play from me!! Your entire read here is basically just saying that we should be better as town and townreading you when you've haven't done much to be townread!!
This is like awards-reading someone, or saying that just because someone isn't bagging mafia day 1 means they're automatically mafia, which isn't true!!!!
If you want to be townread, play townier instead of pulling this sort of stuff!!!
Pfft.
Thanks for the condescension and likely intentional misrepresentation of the tone and meaning of that post. That does not look like town frustration.
I'd think of it, probably not execute it. On a scale of 1 to 10 how trusting are you of your tinfoil?
A reality check would put me at 8 in confidence, but it's kind of higher, and it's not a tinfoil. You've been extremely opportunistic, especially in regards to Ara and Empoof, and maybe even Grape.
So I’m still not sold on the grape/osie w/w world but let me look over stuff again
If you can spell it out for me that’d be ideal
im not too sure i just got a little ticked off when he keeps labeling all my posts as scum
In terms of team building there are better candidates than Grape
But this tunneling doesn't feel townie
Tunneling is usually more likely to be town than scum. Also, you're saying your read is pretty much entirely OMGUS? What? Well, I was townreading you this game before you suddenly turned into Wisp.
The read is based on me knowing Grape has been dedicating his efforts this game tunneling town and not doing much else. His read on Empoof came out of thin air. But for some reason, you continue to spew him as town? So I'm not sure. If Grape's activity levels continue to be consistently low and he continues to ignore you and ScarletC, he'll have to go.
It's funny you say that, but I've gotten along fairly well with Wisp the past two games I've played with him. Not amazingly, but he didn't automatically scumread me. But please, don't stop insulting me. That's definitely going to help.
Also, statistically, tunneling isn't done more often enough by town than scum for it to be a town tell, especially when there isn't much going for Grape either.
Moderately recent game: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/17362-Mid-June-Light-Game-B (ISO "annulus" - they tunneled the same person for most of the game before getting vigged)
You and Empoof are better wagons than I should ever be on a Day 1. The fact that you're both not self-preserving on each other is bizarre.
This is not a town mindset. And oh yeah, I see what you're saying, and I'm not falling for bait.
@Arapocalypse
I know you asked me for a Grape game, but I can't find the post so I'll fake tag you - https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/791150-arkham-horror-mafia-a-peaceful-town-town-win
I've played enough with Scarlet to know that her game has been different here. I think one of the most telling things for her as scum (well, TPR) is she's opportunistic. She defended (whiteknighted, I'd say) Grape, Empoof, and then later tried to sell a Grape/Ara team when I misinterpreted one of your posts.
Osie's reactions ever since he lashed out at Scarlet have read to me as fake. They backed off each other way too easily. Scarlet's been jumpy as ****. Osie's been OMGUSing his read on me, but he won't say it because it's read as a scum tell (and not entirely wrongfully so). Top town when I'm leaning him as town. Tinfoiling me as scum when I voted him. I look at his posts, and they just scream scum. But I know I'm weird like that, so I can't expect to convince anyone like that. I'll try though.
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Titus for the final time can you please explain what about the VC means things and what interactions mean things because it would seriously help me determine your alignment.
Are you asking me to explain my entire VCA and wagon momentum theories in the hour before deadline? I'll explain tomorrow in a spoiler if I live.
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Deadline is in an hour. I'll at best be able to check the thread in 15 to 20 minutes. I'm firmly behind a lynch of Ara or Empoof, especially Ara at this point.
"I'm still missing a chunk of game, and want to do a full re-read, but that's not happening before EoD. I guess I'm at [Ara, Titus] > [Grapefruit, Marko, RE, Trob] as my rough PoE right now, but that'll obviously get refined soon. I think I've talked myself into maybe town reading both Osie and SC while writing this post, and that could be a mistake, but is what it is for now. [Voxx, Tammy, Empoof, Tubba, Osie, SC] town core? Hum."
I think you're kind of tinfoiling at the wind a bit, RE. Really don't think that interaction is ever w/w, just too gross to fake. I think it's kind of villagery that you've sunk your teeth into it the way you have when it's so unpopular, but think you're pretty off base. I wouldn't be completely shocked if one of them is a wolf, but think both of them are approximately never.
And I guess I would be kind of surprised if one of them was a wolf given they probably aren't wolves with Ara, but I'll do that re-reading over night to check on those interactions.
I think you're kind of tinfoiling at the wind a bit, RE. Really don't think that interaction is ever w/w, just too gross to fake. I think it's kind of villagery that you've sunk your teeth into it the way you have when it's so unpopular, but think you're pretty off base. I wouldn't be completely shocked if one of them is a wolf, but think both of them are approximately never.
And I guess I would be kind of surprised if one of them was a wolf given they probably aren't wolves with Ara, but I'll do that re-reading over night to check on those interactions.
*sigh*
It's not a tinfoil.
Being a gut reader sucks.
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I just remembered that Osie post that I said “this is neat” too and thought it spewed grape town based on some wording and mindset.
But like, not crazy excited about grape coming in and flicking scum at us for that interaction. Hard for me to view it from their perspective.
Not opposed to punching through ScarletCelestial but don’t feel that great about it
I veto voxx lynch, if you want to bury scarletrage than sure but I’d agree that’s not happening
Sup Marko
I’m running out of time monkaS
Vote Osie
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We’re not mislynching voxx when he’s been actually villagery. Sorry you don’t like his read on you, nope nope nope.
I’m clocking on, will try to set an alarm for like 3ish hours from now and go to the restroom around then, no promises since it’s a big production day today
We need to settle on some sort of consensus, please do this.
As a last hurrah I’m spewed town if any of grape/osie/Ara are wolves and I’m not w/w with voxx and probably Titus. Whichever of osie/grape is town, read over my crazy ass play and look into your heart of hearts so we can lunch wolves
Glgl I love you all
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osieorb18 - 2 (Arapocalypse, Foopme)
Grapefruit21 - 0 (
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Tunneling is usually more likely to be town than scum. Also, you're saying your read is pretty much entirely OMGUS? What? Well, I was townreading you this game before you suddenly turned into Wisp.
You and Empoof are better wagons than I should ever be on a Day 1. The fact that you're both not self-preserving on each other is bizarre.
Ah. Took the VC from Page 18 and moved the people who moved onto me from the calculations - the only wagons with 2+ were me and you.
Kinda weird but thought I should say - you seemed really uncertain in your readlist and really certain here. What's with the disconnect?
I am starting to think SC with Empoof again. I dunno. Kinda crazy tired
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W/W coordination - Quite possible. Would explain the jump off of Ara at her request.
Only Empoof wolf - Ara's behavior seems strange for this, but but Empoof could be going out of his way to pocket her.
Only Ara wolf - I doubt that this is the case, but if it is then Empoof has been playing into the scumteam's hands for some reason all game.
Both town - No way, Jose. This is a world where both are town, they've followed each other onto bad reads, and they're both contradicting themselves regularly. It just seems so contrasting to their reputations as solid players.
Feel like garbage, but am here until EoD.
Catching up etc.
I'm significantly more down for an Empoof Lynch than a Celeste lynch at the moment, but if it came down to it I'd not be opposed to a Celeste lynch if that was the only majority. But overall, I feel like Empoof is scum puppet mastering this game and it's really concerning.
Going to look over his ISO quickly - Marko what game were you in together?
(Will only skim I've got very little time)
This is just like my read on Manti in Frostpunk it is seriously worrying me. (Manti was following prior scum behaviour of their's and goddamint I should've shot them)
A few of his early comments he didn't follow up on at that point: my tone being NAI and Titus' 0 poster wagon. His read of me contradicts what he said before that, possibly because he forgot what he said. (Which suggests the comment he made was for an ulterior motive).
His tone is better than the last time I saw him as scum.
Very fluffy early on, doesn't seem to do much hunting that can be explained.
Empoof trying to coax a Townread off Ara is eh.
His drunk post still feels good, but I've said that about other drunk posts and gave been wrong. Calling out the majority thing is also good, but only slightly since scum!Empoof would likely not want to be on my wagon when I flip.
Nope.
This is not a post from a villager.
I 100% do not believe that Lissa and Visor have the reads you say they do on me if you are a villager here. Like, given you're a wolf I'm sure they do want me dead for trying to lynch you, but this is purely an appeal to authority thing that you're partially hiding behind. It's just not a real thing that has happened at all.
Also like, I don't believe that the 'spicy hot take' thing you were referring to back in the 300's was a real thought. You were town reading me prior to that, and everything you're talking about happened /after/ that. That's a massive disconnect that is just you using that comment to try and fit the narrative you're trying to paint.
You're also using language aimed to /discredit/ rather than things that you would if you think I'm actually a wolf here. It almost sounds like you're whining that I'm scum reading you for the reasons I am, caught for the wrong reasons maybe? Like. Why would I 'let it go' if I think it's something that makes you more likely to be a wolf? How is me still thinking you're a wolf 'dumb' just because I've been out of the thread for a while? It doesn't make your alignment change because I couldn't post for a few days. I've read your ISO, my team has read your ISO, and it's riddled with empty questions that have either minimal followup, or that we don't really think you're trying to figure out alignments using.
Like, yes? I think you and Titus are both independently wolfy. I'm more sure on the read on you, hence, y'know - lynching you. Titus could still be a wolf, I don't think your 'push' on her is at all an unalignment here, but I'll of course re-read looking for spew specifically after you flip, maybe my mind will be changed at that point, but I don't really do pre-flip associatives the way Newcomb does. I lynch someone I think is a wolf, and /then/ re-read and look for unalignments/world build after I have flips. This reeks of you trying to attack something you can paint as wolfy that just... isn't relevant.
Your initial town read on me because I was pushing you felt like appeasement. I just super do not believe that it's a real progression you had that you went from that town read, to sitting on a 'hot take' to then pushing me using all things that happened after you stated that hot take. There's been multiple instances of the 'appeal to authority' usage of your team reads that do not feel at all genuine, or like conversations with your team that could have actually happened.
Visor and Lissa would not want to kill me on D1, especially when I've had medical issues, given I can and will radiate town when I get engaged in the game. It's the definition of self-resolving, and they both know that.
I was looking forward to playing with you, and it's unfortunate about the wolf rand you got stuck with, but time to die.
[i]If you want to be Townread, play Townier instead of doing this[i]
Osie's trying to sort out what is possible to him, and if it works or not to them. Why do you think it's scummy to be making a post such as that?
Ara, why does this feel like a desperate attempt to try and get me to move off you, when you know I've been doubting my osie read and haven't had the time to go look at them again?
Vote: Arapocalypse
I mentioned my issues with Ara's 747 and 748. The general tone of their posts seem to be more focused on lining up thoughts with other players as opposed to pushing them. That seems scum instead of scumhunting.
I have some work flexibility so I'll try and keep my fingers on the pulse of the thread leading up to EoD.
Pfft.
Thanks for the condescension and likely intentional misrepresentation of the tone and meaning of that post. That does not look like town frustration.
Vote Ara
It's funny you say that, but I've gotten along fairly well with Wisp the past two games I've played with him. Not amazingly, but he didn't automatically scumread me. But please, don't stop insulting me. That's definitely going to help.
Also, statistically, tunneling isn't done more often enough by town than scum for it to be a town tell, especially when there isn't much going for Grape either.
Moderately recent game: https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/17362-Mid-June-Light-Game-B (ISO "annulus" - they tunneled the same person for most of the game before getting vigged)This is not a town mindset. And oh yeah, I see what you're saying, and I'm not falling for bait.
@Arapocalypse
I know you asked me for a Grape game, but I can't find the post so I'll fake tag you -
https://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/community-forums/mafia/791150-arkham-horror-mafia-a-peaceful-town-town-win
I've played enough with Scarlet to know that her game has been different here. I think one of the most telling things for her as scum (well, TPR) is she's opportunistic. She defended (whiteknighted, I'd say) Grape, Empoof, and then later tried to sell a Grape/Ara team when I misinterpreted one of your posts.
Osie's reactions ever since he lashed out at Scarlet have read to me as fake. They backed off each other way too easily. Scarlet's been jumpy as ****. Osie's been OMGUSing his read on me, but he won't say it because it's read as a scum tell (and not entirely wrongfully so). Top town when I'm leaning him as town. Tinfoiling me as scum when I voted him. I look at his posts, and they just scream scum. But I know I'm weird like that, so I can't expect to convince anyone like that. I'll try though.
Town!RE doesn't flail like this.
Town!Ara doesn't contradict herself than ignore being called out like this.
Town!Empoof doesn't play the puppet master like this.
I'll go over everyone again during the night phase, but I'm like 71.3% certain that is the scumteam.
Are you asking me to explain my entire VCA and wagon momentum theories in the hour before deadline? I'll explain tomorrow in a spoiler if I live.
ScarletCelestial - 2 (RE1031, Scarlet Rage)
Foopme - 2 (Grapefruit21, MarkoRaj)
osieorb18 - 2 (Arapocalypse, Foopme)
Not Voting - 1 (Trobairitz)
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to majority lynch.
Day 1 ends at 14:30 Eastern Time on August 1st unless there is a majority lynch.
This is another friendly reminder that the deadline is in ~1 hour.
I have moved Trobairitz to "Not Voting" and advised Team Lethargy to find a replacement. A modkill is on the table if a replacement cannot be found but will not be enacted before the start of day 2. There will be no extension.
The deadline lynch threshold is currently 6 votes.
Problems with this vote count? PM me or DM me on Discord for the fastest response. Posting something in-thread will probably get my attention eventually.
If it requires a lynch, I'll move to Ara. Based on ScarletC and osie voting them though, I don't think they're flipping scum.
Too many people on the sidelines right now.
Arapocalypse - 5 (Voxxicus, Tammy, ScarletCelestial, Tubba Fett, osieorb18) (L-2
"I'm still missing a chunk of game, and want to do a full re-read, but that's not happening before EoD. I guess I'm at [Ara, Titus] > [Grapefruit, Marko, RE, Trob] as my rough PoE right now, but that'll obviously get refined soon. I think I've talked myself into maybe town reading both Osie and SC while writing this post, and that could be a mistake, but is what it is for now. [Voxx, Tammy, Empoof, Tubba, Osie, SC] town core? Hum."
I'm not voting Osie. They don't fit within my theory and I don't see what you are.
VC plz
And I guess I would be kind of surprised if one of them was a wolf given they probably aren't wolves with Ara, but I'll do that re-reading over night to check on those interactions.
It's not a tinfoil.
Being a gut reader sucks.