Except for Osie and Grape, the names on Ara yesterday are the same exact names pushing to avoid lynchibg Grape.
I was voting Ara yesterday, but haven't tried to avoid lynching Grape. In fact, since I have got further information meaning I have to leave earlier than I thought tomorrow, I have to vote now, but at least EoD is tomorrow so I'm not losing any time.
Vote: Grapefruit
And just in case I die:
Marko
Tammy
Voxx
Titus
worst
Tubba
Wheat
Grape
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It would be appreciated if there isn't a hammer just yet or someone who will actually be around tomorrow and is currently on Grape unvotes until needed.
Yeah I'm planning on doing things so I'll be somewhat diligent on trying to avoid hammers
both at L-2 so we're okay
This might be a weird question but who do you think you're "not partners" with in the game, like can you think of some interaction that you had with someone that you think you'd have trouble faking?
The fact that both Tammy and I are blindingly obvious town, and you're completely removing context and behavior from it?
The fact that you seem to genuinely believe what you're saying despite it being so very wrong?
Thought experiment for you, assume that Osie is lynched and flips scum, what does this tell you then?
Osie only flipps scum with Grape scum here. There's no reason to think Osie slot flips scum with these wagons. I'm looking at context, highlighting things that do not fit within my theory. I listen more based on data than charisma.
The fact that both Tammy and I are blindingly obvious town, and you're completely removing context and behavior from it?
The fact that you seem to genuinely believe what you're saying despite it being so very wrong?
Thought experiment for you, assume that Osie is lynched and flips scum, what does this tell you then?
Osie only flipps scum with Grape scum here. There's no reason to think Osie slot flips scum with these wagons. I'm looking at context, highlighting things that do not fit within my theory. I listen more based on data than charisma.
Okay do you think that our thought process is wrong then to have a wolf team of grape/osie?
That's a lot of where voxx/tammy/I stand.
I haven't run across things from your posts that feel like that's disproven by vote logic or incorrect from how you solve the game usually.
Last night I had a dream that I mess up somehow and posted something in one of the games that confirmed me as town and the mods thought it was so egregious that they modkilled me, banned me and called team mafia altogether. If you ask me it was a bit of an overreaction by dream mods, but as I was sitting there watching end credits - a team of grapefruit, wheat and the worst by the way - even thought I felt bad, I was happy because I didn't have time to play mafia anyway. And yes, this is what my dreams have been about lately. Mundane things that I'm stressing about with slightly odd tints to them.
I should have replaced out two weeks ago, and there's a voice in my ear telling me to everyday, but I always think I can do more things than I can and trooper on without life interfering and you'd think by now I'd have some kind of semblance of what I can do. So I'm sorry that I haven't really been able to give this game the proper attention that I should have.
I pretty much have not read since my last post. Well just a couple past it. Thank you very much for saying that Marko. I really appreciate it.
I have been kept abreast of recent issues by my team though, so I know grape claimed backup vig, which is funny because I thought Ossie was trying to soft a fake claim of backup bodyguard earlier before he replaced. so heh lol
Anyway I saw that marko said he didn't understand the logic of why wheat instead of confirmed scum grape. Well earlier I thought grape had to be flipped because the possible worldviews depended upon a grape flip. Was he obvious scum/detached town? Was he just disengaged because he came into today with his big scum read flipping town overnight and that sent him into demoralized spiral. People were building worlds and had them attached to grape, such that he just really needed to flip because if town there was some serious reassessing that needed to be done.
But then he pretty much confirmed himself as scum. He moved his vote from Ossie, the one person he was pushing today, to himself after making some pretty weird very detached posts. And I don't believe he's as disengaged as he believes he is.
Now for me, in a grape scum/wheat town world, why would he move his vote from wheat to himself? Doesn't make any sense right. I mean that's pretty much damn near playing against your win con there. I mean sure he could be going for the wacky scum wouldn't do this thing trick. Or I'm gonna try to confuse the town and vote myself to make it look like wheat and I are partnered and freak people out so they go there, but um those are really weird odds to hope for and the risk/reward doesn't seem worth it. But yes, I will acknowledge that this here is a slim possibility world.
But the reason why wheat over confirmed scum grape today is that grape isn't going anywhere and he damn sure seems like he wants to be lynched. There is no way that claim is real. No backup vig plays the way he has, no backup vig claims to be detached, votes himself over his scum read, and then claims. Now whether or not that would even be a role is neither here nor there because I guess it could be theoretically possible even if unlikely, but his play doesn't even come close to fitting that role.
My team thinks he's trying his best to scum claim to save wheat. And now they've changed their mind and think that we should just lynch grape, but I'm kinda still on board with the lynch wheat get definite scum tomorrow and my main reason is this. I think wheat is almost definitely scum. I don't think his posts, his reads or anything read genuine at all. I think they read like damage control.
But you know what people are going to think tomorrow? Let's say we lynch grape and he flips scum. duh. There were two competing wagons day two; there can't possibly be a way that they were both scum. And wheat is going to be written off as town because grape flipped scum and some "datahead" is going to claim that wheat was the town counter wagon to scum grape and therefore was town. It happens almost every single time two scum wagons happen simultaneously.
And I'll admit I've not fully looked into wheat's reads all that deeply but one thing that stood out for me was the way he processed his early reads. It felt like he thought that he had to read Voxx as town, so he did. And yes, I know empoof had him as town early and so did a teammate of mine, but I don't give wheat the same understanding there. He read SC and Trob as pure early for their interactions and tried to tie me and empoof together because of our interactions. But in the midst of all of that, his decently strong trob read that he hasn't found a reason to retract at all, gave a town read on me based on me town telling. Now the only only somewhat reaction wheat gives to any of that is disliking the post in which I explain why I disliked trob's town tell for me. Now I'm sorry but when I'm reading game and a town read gives a strong scum read a town read because they town told, it catches my notice. I'm not saying that he has to agree with his town read, but it's something I damn sure notice. For wheat? Nothing that I remember seeing.
Likewise, after he gives his first reads stuff, empoof and the worst reacted rather strongly to his attacks on me. After I read it, I think my reaction was somewhat mild. I've been waffling on his slot since the start of day after thinking it was town yesterday, so yeah I don't like his readslist and don't think it makes sense. Wheat's response? Empoof and tammy's response to my post is holy ***** he's scum. It's good to be a gangsta.
empoof yeah, the worst yeah, mine was to waffle a bit - scummy sure but is he scummy town. I mean I know that people like to puff themselves up and be a badass, but that feels like an overpuffery. and it's ignoring AGAIN what the worst slot has said, which again shouldn't he be taking some sort of notice of. If I'm really this big bad scum read of his, shouldn't his town read attacking him making him think/feel something? Give some pause? No?
The only only thing that looks plausibly genuine in wheat's read of me is when he tries to tie me to grapefruit. This is the only thing that gives me pause on him is the way he frames that one thing about me possibly being related to grapefruit. Now I don't think that's how I typically would relate to a partner, although I don't know because I try to draw a lot from how I relate to my scum reads as town when I'm scum, but I was more interested in how other people were reading grape than I was at that moment.
I feel like I got off on a tangent. I've been drinking some wine while writing syllabi and going internally crazy, so yeah I think grape and wheat are scum together, and I think people are just going to let wheat go scot free once grape flips scum.
Yeesh, you'd lynch anything with a pulse... Titus is at least willing to pretend she has a reason for suspecting me, what are you basing your read on? What's caused the Osie slot to fall that far down your list of priorities?
@Voxx
Do you have your thoughts regarding Grape and I as a team gathered yet? What do you think about Titus' VCA regarding Osie? Her VCA regarding me?
The creature shoos you away. It appears to be denning up for the night
Don't feel bad/weird about your dream Tammy. The other night I dreamt that I was watching an infomercial that kept trying to randomly sell me Osie. It was one of those feels supes real ones too.
I was going to sit down and really dive into this game today, like I had a whole set plan. I was going to read over grape/osie interactions and make sure that I believed it was partnery. I was going to look over Titus' iso and check out those interactions I saw from day 1 that made me think they weren't partners with grape or osie. I was gonna double check marko stuff, read over ScarletCelestial, check out the rest of the slots.
Because atm I don't have a solid 3rd member of grapefruit/osie that makes a lot of sense to me, other than scarletcelestial but even that's whatever.
voxx will tell me it's tubba I just don't believe it atm.
There's a couple fringey worlds I've been thinking of with grapefruit and without osie like grapefruit/voxx/titus or grapefruit/the worst/SC or some stuff like that but they all feel sort of bleh and not cohesive really and are based off of small passages rather than a bigger picture.
I starting to get weird about it just being grape/osie/x.
But also I played 2 shots games and a turbo today so I'm not about to dig in LOL
The creature shoos you away. It appears to be denning up for the night
Don't feel bad/weird about your dream Tammy. The other night I dreamt that I was watching an infomercial that kept trying to randomly sell me Osie. It was one of those feels supes real ones too.
The player Osie? lol
(I dreamt the other day that my hairdresser refused to cut my hair the way I wanted it because it was too boring. I'll probably have a dream about grocery shopping for lemons or something tonight.)
Do you think that wheat and grape can be scum together?
Just woke up and checked this - need to get ready and leave so just this post.
Saw the last VC and it said the phase has been extended by 24 hours so this might mean I won't not be on for the first day of Day 3.
Anyway, Empoof, I think that the interaction that would never come from scum Scarlet was the highly toxic conversation I had with osie. Beyond that I'd be pretty bad at pointing things out since I can barely remember my own scum game.
Also lol mods and lol Tammy (though I did once have a weird nightmare where I ended up in a Mafia game with the worst playlist so yeah.)
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Grape will probably self-hammer, so let me dump some thoughts while I have a couple minutes.
Voxxicus
Tammy
SC
Marko
Empoof
Titus
The Worst
Tubba
Wheat Grinder
Grapefruit
Yes, it's a lot of tiers, but they're fairly distinct.
Tammy is just lock town. It's my strongest town read, second strongest read behind Grape being 100% scum. Please never doubt this, never push this, I don't care if she's alive in a F3, I still think she's lock town. It's entirely behavior/mindset in terms of read strength, and a lot of it is depth and nuance to the way she talks about her team and their interaction, you can just follow her thoughts wandering through posts in a way that is uniquely and distinctly Town!Tammy, and I am very sure on this read.
I think SC is really strongly town here. Empoof, don't do something dumb, never lynch SC before a F3 situation. Read through her progression on me this day phase, I think it's the type of interaction you're looking for. I also think she interacted with Grape on D1 and asked questions that she's unlikely to ask if they're partners, and there's just a consistent effort and body of work here that I pretty firmly think comes from town. I also think she's never w/w with Osie/Wheat, so if he flips red, that just lock clears SC. I don't really think SC is a wolf, period, but the only way I consider them is in a F3 if Osie was town and Grape wolf, but I don't really think that's a world we're looking at. Spend some time in her D1 iso after Grape flips red, and you'll see what I mean, if necessary.
Marko and Empoof I'm somewhat lumping together, despite reads not being quite the same. I don't think either of them are w/w with Grape, though that feeling is stronger on Marko's end than it is Empoof's. I've talked about both of these players a fair bit, Marko just consistently having a kind of villagery disconnectedness where he lacks an agenda feels pretty good. I don't think he pushes on Grape the way he has as w/w with Grape, because he just really hasn't gotten that much credit out of it, or forced it to happen, it just feels like a natural 'I don't like grape, he's probably a wolf' kind of push that comes from town significantly more. I was kind of expecting him to have more presence as either alignment, so he's like, theoretically possible to consider late game, it's not as lock town as Tammy, but I feel pretty good about Marko being town. I've talked a lot about Empoof too, and I don't...really think he's w/w with Grape? I guess? It's at least possible, but Empoof just feels like the mislynch the scum were hoping to get this game until they were forced to distance desperately today. If Wheat is town he's someone I'd at least consider later in game though, probably with Tubba, given his perplexing defense there, but I do think he's Just Town.
Titus and The Worst are likewise lumped together in that I think they're probably both town, but they're less town than everyone else, and there's things that give me some pause. I actually kind of like Titus pushing against me and Tammy, despite it being sort of baffling, because it's the kind of baffling and weird I was expecting to see from her as town. Less of the 'give people what they want' kind of feel from it, and more stubborn-ness and 'this is what I'm seeing from the votes'. And like. I kind of have trouble seeing this line that she's taking 'Grape wolf, Osie town' making sense as grape/titus/osie, and as grape/titus/non-osie, and it's possible that just makes her town here. I think TW is probbbbbbbbably town, but it's frankly not due to anything he's done himself. He's kind of irritating from a playstyle perspective because he refuses to flesh things out and give any kind of depth/nuance to thoughts and reads and it makes it impossible to get into his head. I'm still not all that sure he's actually read much of d1 beyond first couple pages and last couple pages, tbh, and coming in and tunneling Grape and Osie (but mostly staying on Osie) feels kind of weird given Grape is just obviously scum here and will flip red shortly. Like. Is it TMI, and he's Too Right, without showing any kind of process in terms of getting to those reads? (If this is w/w grape/osie)? Maybe? I think Trob, his predecessor is actually more useful to read, and I think that they're unaligned with Grape given D1 interactions. Spend some time combing back over that for depth/nuance/weirdness, because I'm not as sure on that as I'd like to be. I've tossed TW's interactions and push around in my head a bit and I ultimately keep coming back to it being too weird and too blatant to be a wolf that needs to go deep. Like if this is W/V, him pushing Osie over Grape when Grape is going to flip this game 100% is just...weird and is going to make him look obviously bad. If it's w/w, then he...locked himself into those two being his only scum reads and needing to win in a final 3 despite not... really doing much to look town beyond 'have correct reads' and both lines feel somewhat suicidal, like he never wins as a wolf taking either of them. So he's probably just town.
That leaves three names. Grape. Wheat/Osie. Tubba.
Grape is just 100% lock scum, this is ever his villager game, etc. Read through my posts where I tried to reach out to him, called him out on his progression on me not making sense, called him out on having no depth to reads, and him just kind of rolling over and self-voting over his scum read, and the claim and just... he's never town here.
Wheat/Osie is a combination of PoE/everyone else being town, and just... having some extremely, extremely bad interactions with Grape. Comb over those cross-pushes on each other again, and look at my posts I made about Osie's mindset. His scum reads matched the scum reads myself and TW had, except on himself/each other, yet he acted in a manner that was...disproportionate, I guess. It just doesn't make sense for him to be so annoyed/upset at 'lurkers' scum reading him when we were both voting his 'top' scum read with him. Think about the mindset that has to come from, and then go look at the interactions with Grape again. It's so over the top and blatant and they're just...clearly w/w here. The wind sucked out of both of their sails after that push got identified as w/w, and Wheat's intro posts do nothing to change my mind. Him pushing on Grape as hard as he is I don't think is a real progression, given Grape just self-voted the post before he posted. I don't believe Osie didn't mention Grape being his top scum read or talk about the game in the chat at all if town, and just have so much trouble believing that slot is town this game.
Tubba is an interesting case, where it's partially PoE, and partially interactions with Grape and Osie. He fits incredibly neatly into that team as the third member, and my team is 100% convinced he's w/w with Grape after combing over both of their iso's and looking at mentions/interactions with each other. I think his recent push against Grape is unlike anything he's ever done (in any game, as any alignment), and feels an awful lot like TMI. He's pushing hard against Grape becaues he knows Grape is scum, and is trying to generate unalignment. It's just.... too late. His D1 Grape interactions are pretty interesting to look at, he hedges a lot, refusing to really take a stance, but keeping the option to town read Grape on the table as long/much as he can. My team actually is kind of divided here, I might have lied a little. One of them is 100% locked in on Grape/Tubba/Osie, the other is kind of going 'I guessssss' at it, because everyone else is town, but there's one specific post of Tubba's that they're kind of coming back to, where he's not sure what others are seeing in Grape, that it's kind of weird to say about a partner. I think it's a good post, and I'd generally agree, but like. Everyone else is town, and I don't think that recent post from Tubba comes from him as town.
So, yeah.
I'm pretty dialed in on Grape > Wheat > Tubba, in that order, and I'd be frankly pretty surprised if any of them were town.
I fully expect to die tonight, unless they feel the need to go PR hunting I guess, so this is my legacy. Put in the work, don't get lazy/complacent, but don't let any of those three endgame, thanks.
Fwiw, I'll be available to hammer this before deadline if Grape doesn't just self-hammer like I'm pretty sure he's going to.
I'd still rather lynch Wheat, personally, though.
Because I'm obviously Grape's scumbuddy and am trying to keep him alive despite him actively trying to die, clearly
The logic is like.
We 'know' Grape is a wolf, his flip tells us nothing new about the game.
We do /not/ know if this is W/W or W/V wagons, and that is the most important information right now in terms of figuring out the gamestate. Tomorrow is going to be a dead day no matter what, we're 100% lynching Wheat, or we're 100% lynching Grape, whoever isn't lynched today. I'd personally rather have the knowledge of what this wagon formation is before we have that dead day, so there's at least something to discuss without having to wait for another flip.
Yeesh, you'd lynch anything with a pulse... Titus is at least willing to pretend she has a reason for suspecting me, what are you basing your read on? What's caused the Osie slot to fall that far down your list of priorities?
@Voxx
Do you have your thoughts regarding Grape and I as a team gathered yet? What do you think about Titus' VCA regarding Osie? Her VCA regarding me?
Man. I really don't think the first part of this post comes from a villager. Like, the Titus bit in particular, the mindset/perspective of it just feels a little bit off.
@Tubba Yeah, let me find the stuff I was looking at and I can dump part of it for people since they're lazy due to being humans.
I won't be around for 6-7 hours, but I'd like someone to lay out the Grape case for me. I always like Grape and I think he's been in every game I've played so far and I'm worried that it's affecting my ability to read him.
I guess I should have phrased that better, I'm concerned about objectively reading Grape.
My reads are brutal right now, probably something like RE1031, ScarletCelestial and maybe Trobairitz feeling townish, Foopme, Tammy, Grape, Voxxicus and Scarlet Rage are wavering around the middle, with Arapocalypse, Markoraj, and Osieorb18 bringing in the bottom.
Grape seems like good old townGrape, plugging away trying to solve. His placement is mostly due to the fact that others are voting him, and I'm worried I'm not seeing something there.
@Grape, mostly thread presence and concern that I'm missing something other players aren't. In F&E you seemed a lot more engaged, asked more questions and driving more dialog.
Grape's early game seemed typical, engaging with the thread, asking questions and providing feedback. He picked up some votes, and kinda disappeared. So, basically it's similar to SR, in that I'd rather play it safe and not just townlean Grape, to try and be a little more critical of what they're saying.
@Grape, I've explained the read already. You looked typical early on, accrued some votes and your activity dropped off. None of the games we've played have you ever dropped off like that. That's not AI, but in conjunction with other players voting/suspecting you, I'm leery of just clearing you and placed you as neutral to prod me into being more critical of you. I'm not scum reading you at present, and it seems weird that you are fixating on this.
This is all taken from Tubba's ISO earlier in the game, had them saved to look at, just ctrl+v'ing through it for mentions of Grape. It's just a really weird kind of hedgey approach to Grape that didn't/doesn't feel natural to me.
This:
Grape seems like good old townGrape, plugging away trying to solve. His placement is mostly due to the fact that others are voting him, and I'm worried I'm not seeing something there.
The bolded section in that post is the one thing that has me and my team hesitating slightly on locking it in as w/w, but think the overall interactions paint a picture that fits pretty well.
I was voting Ara yesterday, but haven't tried to avoid lynching Grape. In fact, since I have got further information meaning I have to leave earlier than I thought tomorrow, I have to vote now, but at least EoD is tomorrow so I'm not losing any time.
Vote: Grapefruit
And just in case I die:
Marko
Tammy
Voxx
Titus
worst
Tubba
Wheat
Grape
both at L-2 so we're okay
This might be a weird question but who do you think you're "not partners" with in the game, like can you think of some interaction that you had with someone that you think you'd have trouble faking?
I have a sneaking suspicion I won't be dying :]
Osie only flipps scum with Grape scum here. There's no reason to think Osie slot flips scum with these wagons. I'm looking at context, highlighting things that do not fit within my theory. I listen more based on data than charisma.
That's a lot of where voxx/tammy/I stand.
I haven't run across things from your posts that feel like that's disproven by vote logic or incorrect from how you solve the game usually.
I should have replaced out two weeks ago, and there's a voice in my ear telling me to everyday, but I always think I can do more things than I can and trooper on without life interfering and you'd think by now I'd have some kind of semblance of what I can do. So I'm sorry that I haven't really been able to give this game the proper attention that I should have.
I pretty much have not read since my last post. Well just a couple past it. Thank you very much for saying that Marko. I really appreciate it.
I have been kept abreast of recent issues by my team though, so I know grape claimed backup vig, which is funny because I thought Ossie was trying to soft a fake claim of backup bodyguard earlier before he replaced. so heh lol
Anyway I saw that marko said he didn't understand the logic of why wheat instead of confirmed scum grape. Well earlier I thought grape had to be flipped because the possible worldviews depended upon a grape flip. Was he obvious scum/detached town? Was he just disengaged because he came into today with his big scum read flipping town overnight and that sent him into demoralized spiral. People were building worlds and had them attached to grape, such that he just really needed to flip because if town there was some serious reassessing that needed to be done.
But then he pretty much confirmed himself as scum. He moved his vote from Ossie, the one person he was pushing today, to himself after making some pretty weird very detached posts. And I don't believe he's as disengaged as he believes he is.
Now for me, in a grape scum/wheat town world, why would he move his vote from wheat to himself? Doesn't make any sense right. I mean that's pretty much damn near playing against your win con there. I mean sure he could be going for the wacky scum wouldn't do this thing trick. Or I'm gonna try to confuse the town and vote myself to make it look like wheat and I are partnered and freak people out so they go there, but um those are really weird odds to hope for and the risk/reward doesn't seem worth it. But yes, I will acknowledge that this here is a slim possibility world.
But the reason why wheat over confirmed scum grape today is that grape isn't going anywhere and he damn sure seems like he wants to be lynched. There is no way that claim is real. No backup vig plays the way he has, no backup vig claims to be detached, votes himself over his scum read, and then claims. Now whether or not that would even be a role is neither here nor there because I guess it could be theoretically possible even if unlikely, but his play doesn't even come close to fitting that role.
My team thinks he's trying his best to scum claim to save wheat. And now they've changed their mind and think that we should just lynch grape, but I'm kinda still on board with the lynch wheat get definite scum tomorrow and my main reason is this. I think wheat is almost definitely scum. I don't think his posts, his reads or anything read genuine at all. I think they read like damage control.
But you know what people are going to think tomorrow? Let's say we lynch grape and he flips scum. duh. There were two competing wagons day two; there can't possibly be a way that they were both scum. And wheat is going to be written off as town because grape flipped scum and some "datahead" is going to claim that wheat was the town counter wagon to scum grape and therefore was town. It happens almost every single time two scum wagons happen simultaneously.
And I'll admit I've not fully looked into wheat's reads all that deeply but one thing that stood out for me was the way he processed his early reads. It felt like he thought that he had to read Voxx as town, so he did. And yes, I know empoof had him as town early and so did a teammate of mine, but I don't give wheat the same understanding there. He read SC and Trob as pure early for their interactions and tried to tie me and empoof together because of our interactions. But in the midst of all of that, his decently strong trob read that he hasn't found a reason to retract at all, gave a town read on me based on me town telling. Now the only only somewhat reaction wheat gives to any of that is disliking the post in which I explain why I disliked trob's town tell for me. Now I'm sorry but when I'm reading game and a town read gives a strong scum read a town read because they town told, it catches my notice. I'm not saying that he has to agree with his town read, but it's something I damn sure notice. For wheat? Nothing that I remember seeing.
Likewise, after he gives his first reads stuff, empoof and the worst reacted rather strongly to his attacks on me. After I read it, I think my reaction was somewhat mild. I've been waffling on his slot since the start of day after thinking it was town yesterday, so yeah I don't like his readslist and don't think it makes sense. Wheat's response? Empoof and tammy's response to my post is holy ***** he's scum. It's good to be a gangsta.
empoof yeah, the worst yeah, mine was to waffle a bit - scummy sure but is he scummy town. I mean I know that people like to puff themselves up and be a badass, but that feels like an overpuffery. and it's ignoring AGAIN what the worst slot has said, which again shouldn't he be taking some sort of notice of. If I'm really this big bad scum read of his, shouldn't his town read attacking him making him think/feel something? Give some pause? No?
The only only thing that looks plausibly genuine in wheat's read of me is when he tries to tie me to grapefruit. This is the only thing that gives me pause on him is the way he frames that one thing about me possibly being related to grapefruit. Now I don't think that's how I typically would relate to a partner, although I don't know because I try to draw a lot from how I relate to my scum reads as town when I'm scum, but I was more interested in how other people were reading grape than I was at that moment.
I feel like I got off on a tangent. I've been drinking some wine while writing syllabi and going internally crazy, so yeah I think grape and wheat are scum together, and I think people are just going to let wheat go scot free once grape flips scum.
Yeesh, you'd lynch anything with a pulse... Titus is at least willing to pretend she has a reason for suspecting me, what are you basing your read on? What's caused the Osie slot to fall that far down your list of priorities?
@Voxx
Do you have your thoughts regarding Grape and I as a team gathered yet? What do you think about Titus' VCA regarding Osie? Her VCA regarding me?
Don't feel bad/weird about your dream Tammy. The other night I dreamt that I was watching an infomercial that kept trying to randomly sell me Osie. It was one of those feels supes real ones too.
Because atm I don't have a solid 3rd member of grapefruit/osie that makes a lot of sense to me, other than scarletcelestial but even that's whatever.
voxx will tell me it's tubba I just don't believe it atm.
There's a couple fringey worlds I've been thinking of with grapefruit and without osie like grapefruit/voxx/titus or grapefruit/the worst/SC or some stuff like that but they all feel sort of bleh and not cohesive really and are based off of small passages rather than a bigger picture.
I starting to get weird about it just being grape/osie/x.
But also I played 2 shots games and a turbo today so I'm not about to dig in LOL
best laid plans
probably means I live another night though
...eight minutes ago.
The player Osie? lol
(I dreamt the other day that my hairdresser refused to cut my hair the way I wanted it because it was too boring. I'll probably have a dream about grocery shopping for lemons or something tonight.)
Do you think that wheat and grape can be scum together?
Could go for some mousse cake
or creme brulee
You may continue posting.
relatable content my dude
Man, one of the game hosts playing in one of the other games feels suboptimal.
Saw the last VC and it said the phase has been extended by 24 hours so this might mean I won't not be on for the first day of Day 3.
Anyway, Empoof, I think that the interaction that would never come from scum Scarlet was the highly toxic conversation I had with osie. Beyond that I'd be pretty bad at pointing things out since I can barely remember my own scum game.
Also lol mods and lol Tammy (though I did once have a weird nightmare where I ended up in a Mafia game with the worst playlist so yeah.)
Wheat_Grinder - 3 (Voxxicus, Tammy, Grapefruit21)
Not Voting - 3 (Wheat_Grinder, the worst, Foopme)
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to majority lynch.
Day 2 ends at 6:00 PM Eastern Time on August 19th unless there is a majority lynch.
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Choo choo
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vote: Grape
Voxxicus
Tammy
SC
Marko
Empoof
Titus
The Worst
Tubba
Wheat Grinder
Grapefruit
Yes, it's a lot of tiers, but they're fairly distinct.
Tammy is just lock town. It's my strongest town read, second strongest read behind Grape being 100% scum. Please never doubt this, never push this, I don't care if she's alive in a F3, I still think she's lock town. It's entirely behavior/mindset in terms of read strength, and a lot of it is depth and nuance to the way she talks about her team and their interaction, you can just follow her thoughts wandering through posts in a way that is uniquely and distinctly Town!Tammy, and I am very sure on this read.
I think SC is really strongly town here. Empoof, don't do something dumb, never lynch SC before a F3 situation. Read through her progression on me this day phase, I think it's the type of interaction you're looking for. I also think she interacted with Grape on D1 and asked questions that she's unlikely to ask if they're partners, and there's just a consistent effort and body of work here that I pretty firmly think comes from town. I also think she's never w/w with Osie/Wheat, so if he flips red, that just lock clears SC. I don't really think SC is a wolf, period, but the only way I consider them is in a F3 if Osie was town and Grape wolf, but I don't really think that's a world we're looking at. Spend some time in her D1 iso after Grape flips red, and you'll see what I mean, if necessary.
Marko and Empoof I'm somewhat lumping together, despite reads not being quite the same. I don't think either of them are w/w with Grape, though that feeling is stronger on Marko's end than it is Empoof's. I've talked about both of these players a fair bit, Marko just consistently having a kind of villagery disconnectedness where he lacks an agenda feels pretty good. I don't think he pushes on Grape the way he has as w/w with Grape, because he just really hasn't gotten that much credit out of it, or forced it to happen, it just feels like a natural 'I don't like grape, he's probably a wolf' kind of push that comes from town significantly more. I was kind of expecting him to have more presence as either alignment, so he's like, theoretically possible to consider late game, it's not as lock town as Tammy, but I feel pretty good about Marko being town. I've talked a lot about Empoof too, and I don't...really think he's w/w with Grape? I guess? It's at least possible, but Empoof just feels like the mislynch the scum were hoping to get this game until they were forced to distance desperately today. If Wheat is town he's someone I'd at least consider later in game though, probably with Tubba, given his perplexing defense there, but I do think he's Just Town.
Titus and The Worst are likewise lumped together in that I think they're probably both town, but they're less town than everyone else, and there's things that give me some pause. I actually kind of like Titus pushing against me and Tammy, despite it being sort of baffling, because it's the kind of baffling and weird I was expecting to see from her as town. Less of the 'give people what they want' kind of feel from it, and more stubborn-ness and 'this is what I'm seeing from the votes'. And like. I kind of have trouble seeing this line that she's taking 'Grape wolf, Osie town' making sense as grape/titus/osie, and as grape/titus/non-osie, and it's possible that just makes her town here. I think TW is probbbbbbbbably town, but it's frankly not due to anything he's done himself. He's kind of irritating from a playstyle perspective because he refuses to flesh things out and give any kind of depth/nuance to thoughts and reads and it makes it impossible to get into his head. I'm still not all that sure he's actually read much of d1 beyond first couple pages and last couple pages, tbh, and coming in and tunneling Grape and Osie (but mostly staying on Osie) feels kind of weird given Grape is just obviously scum here and will flip red shortly. Like. Is it TMI, and he's Too Right, without showing any kind of process in terms of getting to those reads? (If this is w/w grape/osie)? Maybe? I think Trob, his predecessor is actually more useful to read, and I think that they're unaligned with Grape given D1 interactions. Spend some time combing back over that for depth/nuance/weirdness, because I'm not as sure on that as I'd like to be. I've tossed TW's interactions and push around in my head a bit and I ultimately keep coming back to it being too weird and too blatant to be a wolf that needs to go deep. Like if this is W/V, him pushing Osie over Grape when Grape is going to flip this game 100% is just...weird and is going to make him look obviously bad. If it's w/w, then he...locked himself into those two being his only scum reads and needing to win in a final 3 despite not... really doing much to look town beyond 'have correct reads' and both lines feel somewhat suicidal, like he never wins as a wolf taking either of them. So he's probably just town.
That leaves three names. Grape. Wheat/Osie. Tubba.
Grape is just 100% lock scum, this is ever his villager game, etc. Read through my posts where I tried to reach out to him, called him out on his progression on me not making sense, called him out on having no depth to reads, and him just kind of rolling over and self-voting over his scum read, and the claim and just... he's never town here.
Wheat/Osie is a combination of PoE/everyone else being town, and just... having some extremely, extremely bad interactions with Grape. Comb over those cross-pushes on each other again, and look at my posts I made about Osie's mindset. His scum reads matched the scum reads myself and TW had, except on himself/each other, yet he acted in a manner that was...disproportionate, I guess. It just doesn't make sense for him to be so annoyed/upset at 'lurkers' scum reading him when we were both voting his 'top' scum read with him. Think about the mindset that has to come from, and then go look at the interactions with Grape again. It's so over the top and blatant and they're just...clearly w/w here. The wind sucked out of both of their sails after that push got identified as w/w, and Wheat's intro posts do nothing to change my mind. Him pushing on Grape as hard as he is I don't think is a real progression, given Grape just self-voted the post before he posted. I don't believe Osie didn't mention Grape being his top scum read or talk about the game in the chat at all if town, and just have so much trouble believing that slot is town this game.
Tubba is an interesting case, where it's partially PoE, and partially interactions with Grape and Osie. He fits incredibly neatly into that team as the third member, and my team is 100% convinced he's w/w with Grape after combing over both of their iso's and looking at mentions/interactions with each other. I think his recent push against Grape is unlike anything he's ever done (in any game, as any alignment), and feels an awful lot like TMI. He's pushing hard against Grape becaues he knows Grape is scum, and is trying to generate unalignment. It's just.... too late. His D1 Grape interactions are pretty interesting to look at, he hedges a lot, refusing to really take a stance, but keeping the option to town read Grape on the table as long/much as he can. My team actually is kind of divided here, I might have lied a little. One of them is 100% locked in on Grape/Tubba/Osie, the other is kind of going 'I guessssss' at it, because everyone else is town, but there's one specific post of Tubba's that they're kind of coming back to, where he's not sure what others are seeing in Grape, that it's kind of weird to say about a partner. I think it's a good post, and I'd generally agree, but like. Everyone else is town, and I don't think that recent post from Tubba comes from him as town.
So, yeah.
I'm pretty dialed in on Grape > Wheat > Tubba, in that order, and I'd be frankly pretty surprised if any of them were town.
I fully expect to die tonight, unless they feel the need to go PR hunting I guess, so this is my legacy. Put in the work, don't get lazy/complacent, but don't let any of those three endgame, thanks.
Glgl.
I'd still rather lynch Wheat, personally, though.
The logic is like.
We 'know' Grape is a wolf, his flip tells us nothing new about the game.
We do /not/ know if this is W/W or W/V wagons, and that is the most important information right now in terms of figuring out the gamestate. Tomorrow is going to be a dead day no matter what, we're 100% lynching Wheat, or we're 100% lynching Grape, whoever isn't lynched today. I'd personally rather have the knowledge of what this wagon formation is before we have that dead day, so there's at least something to discuss without having to wait for another flip.
I hope that makes some sense to people.
Some good memes in there
Think I’m living though
You heard the man, I’m taking you to f3
BUCKLE UP
Man. I really don't think the first part of this post comes from a villager. Like, the Titus bit in particular, the mindset/perspective of it just feels a little bit off.
@Tubba Yeah, let me find the stuff I was looking at and I can dump part of it for people since they're lazy due to being humans.
Why are you the way you are
You love it
Btw I had planned on starting the Day doing a spider gimmick because you lynched Ara but forgot/probably wouldn’t have had the wim for it
I would have gutted you like a fish, and laughed in glee as I frolicked amongst your innards.
This is all taken from Tubba's ISO earlier in the game, had them saved to look at, just ctrl+v'ing through it for mentions of Grape. It's just a really weird kind of hedgey approach to Grape that didn't/doesn't feel natural to me.
This:
The bolded section in that post is the one thing that has me and my team hesitating slightly on locking it in as w/w, but think the overall interactions paint a picture that fits pretty well.
Damn that’s intense
I can picture this super vividly and it’s eerie and hilarious and horrifying