Hi empoof! Glad you’re back around. I haven’t had a chance to listen to father John misty yet.
So I am now in full on panic mode about the upcoming semester, and having mafia as one more thing is overwhelming as *****. So, I’m not gonna worry about deep reading over the next couple days. Skimming it is!
Not toooooo much of anything has changed for me. I’m still at voxx, sc, empoof town and don’t have any cause or desire to re-evaluate those now.
I was going to laugh at wheat grinders read on me and say he just literally can’t help himself as s um because I thought I remembered him giving me those patented mtgs scum reads in four horsemen, but I looked back and it was anak and shadow not him. Anyways thoigh, at the risk of sounding omgussy, he is hitting the weird ass notes scum default to when attacking me. They usually include: forced, defensive (tubba never responded to my question about this, odd), trying too hard, exaggerating something I did. I’m thinking for this last one the concept that I was “praising a push” true I ended up thinking she was scummy and my team had a strong read there, but praising?
Is it just me or does anyone else think it’s weird for some to think that a player is town because he’d be too self-conscious to role play while also thinking two people would be trying too hard by talking about eggsat the beginning of the game and that meant they’re buddies? Because in my mind, you can’t legitimately hold those two thoughts. This also could be me feeling a little insulted because I think I’m somewhat decent at partner interaction and distancing although I suppose I’d be happy to talk about eggs if a partner ever asked? I don’t know, it was just such a weird thing to push a read on. Anyway I haven’t really liked the sum total of his reads, but I don’t know if he’s just one of those scummy town players. I feel like we’ve played together in a game besides four horseman though, si idk.
Anyway none of that matters today anyway because now I really have no desire for anything but grape. Like his big scum read osie is ahead of him in the votes and he moves to himself putting himself to l-1? I don’t know if it’s because he’s given up regardless of alignment or if they’re partnered wheat will have a chance to go farther? I don’t know. Who know who cares, if he’s going to give up I’m not going to spend more time considering his alignment. So my vote is there in spirit but if he is at l-1 I’m not hammering before people are ready. (Voxx - I didn’t read that as a scum claim. I read that and just went what? OH I think I understand why you were tilting your head back and forth at 510 and 511 now, maybe)
I do think if grapefruit is scum then titus looks decently town, and if tubba is also scum this gets more likely. Not a take it to the bet bank because people’s meta do change but it’d be surprising. If grape and wheat are both scum, I’d still think that titus’ push on grape when grape looked like he was interested in playing the game is unlikely partners, but that’s where did do a bit of a meta dive to see how she’s treated partners recently. If grape is town and wheat is scum, the way she’s grape v osie would take some looking into. People are wrong sure, but the way she defends her town reads sometimes has a visceral feel to it. Anyway, who knows if some of this has changed, so.
I almost had a knee jerk reaction that wheat was scum because he hadn’t been reading, but then I remembered that I have a teammate that hasn’t read anything in my game since page 6 or 7, so nevermind that almost hypocritical scum read.
I meant to look back at grapefruits tubba mentions because my team thought that was partner indicative but I haven’t had a chance to do that yet and probably won’t soon.
Weird thing from the 6 page catchup @Wheat_Grinder, you have Tammy and Empoof at different levels on your scale despite reading them off the same interaction. What made Tammy come off as worse than Empoof?
I already answered this question in my scumlist. It's because Empoof suddenly started making decent points, enough to make me question the read, and Tammy hasn't had a post that makes me reconsider.
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@Scarlet Rage
Have you made any progress on your VCA of Osie?
Are you able to explain how your VCA ties me to Grape?
@Scarlet Celestial
I'm not sure I fully understand your question. I'm leaning scum on the Osie slot, but it's not as confident as my one on Grape. I just don't think town!Osie lets me off that easy.
@Voxx and Scarlet Celestial
Grape referencing his lack of a mouth could just be a flavour claim regarding his character. Like he's an ooze or something. It's his lack of town behaviour that makes him scum.
The creature purposefully positions itself into your personal space. It seems to forget why it's there and lets it's fiery gaze roam.(It also seems to forget how to breathe through it's nose)
<<MEGACOMBOBREAKERSNIP>>
They usually include: forced, defensive (tubba never responded to my question about this, odd), trying too hard, exaggerating something I did.
I'm sorry, I fell into a little rabbit hole called Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead, and have been somewhat neglectful. What was your question?
I'm probably going to be fairly brief in most of my remaining catchup in the interest of catching up since I'm feeling good on my reads.
Tammy's #359 has more lines I dislike. "I want empoof to be town because I just like empoof's posting. Also he called me town." "Again the only real read I have right now is a town read on RE" < as of post 359 in the game (if I'm being generous I think this is actually only after having read to some undefined point past 225).
Tammy also says "I am a bit concerned about grapefruit here, but I'm reserving any thoughts until I catch up because I know there's a wagon on him and I'm interested in the reaction and people's reasons and because I need to step away now."
I see this as laying the ground for a bus without having to commit. Unfortunately scum having daytalk makes it weaker than normal since without daytalk it indicates to a buddy "hey, shape up so I can read you as town without going out on a limb for you" but I think here it's still valid as a move to cover bases and prevent suspicion if grape flips.
oh hey marko finally posted in #411. ...but I don't get a whole lot of motive from it.
Oh empoof - I left you a message this morning from my team. It was just a drunken trolly way of saying hello and being silly.
@Tammy: Please explain this, now. And I'm really sad no one picked up on this
Empoof makes a bunch of reads but also fails to call anyone scum in #444 which I really don't like.
I disagree with the content of #476 from SR but I think it implies a townie mindset - the reasoning feels organic. I'm willing to upgrade SR to full town at this point.
#538 from Empoof: "Kind of unlucky considering my slot is like... probably the most contentious slot in the game, with the most tug and pull."
I did not get this impression at all and am curious to hear why Empoof thought this. But I think asking now is useless, let's play "Did anyone ask about it?"
Empoof has been NOTICABLY concerned about marko all game and at first I thought it was some sort of joke but the fact it's still going on page 10 is really weird. But I don't get the impression they're buddies, so why is it happening?
I don't have an answer for it, I'm just writing it out so I keep it on my mind as I continue reading.
If RE reads this post despite being dead: I respect you as a mafia player, particularly for #586.
Empoof's post #594 is weird. It reads as though Empoof thinks my slot is town but is mad at my slot for playing badly, while calling it scum. I just don't like it.
That brings me to the end of page 12. Changes in reads:
SR to town from lean town
Empoof to scum from lean scum
marko from "literally no posts" to null
I’ll take a gander and say nobody picked up on it because there’s nothing nefarious there and nobody else is trying to paint me into being the scum I’m not. In a previous post, the one I left that morning after drunken team mafia, I said empoof you’re a jackass, but I’m not sure why.
It was a drunken trolly joke from my team, but the next day I realized it might not be read that way and I wanted to let him know it was a joke.
And yes, I totally would just bus Grape into the ground here like I have been if I was a wolf with him, so leave me alive until late game, scum team. I'll absolutely be a viable mislynch, and nothing could ever possibly go wrong.
I'm probably going to be fairly brief in most of my remaining catchup in the interest of catching up since I'm feeling good on my reads.
Tammy's #359 has more lines I dislike. "I want empoof to be town because I just like empoof's posting. Also he called me town." "Again the only real read I have right now is a town read on RE" < as of post 359 in the game (if I'm being generous I think this is actually only after having read to some undefined point past 225).
Tammy also says "I am a bit concerned about grapefruit here, but I'm reserving any thoughts until I catch up because I know there's a wagon on him and I'm interested in the reaction and people's reasons and because I need to step away now."
I see this as laying the ground for a bus without having to commit. Unfortunately scum having daytalk makes it weaker than normal since without daytalk it indicates to a buddy "hey, shape up so I can read you as town without going out on a limb for you" but I think here it's still valid as a move to cover bases and prevent suspicion if grape flips.
oh hey marko finally posted in #411. ...but I don't get a whole lot of motive from it.
Oh empoof - I left you a message this morning from my team. It was just a drunken trolly way of saying hello and being silly.
@Tammy: Please explain this, now. And I'm really sad no one picked up on this
Empoof makes a bunch of reads but also fails to call anyone scum in #444 which I really don't like.
I disagree with the content of #476 from SR but I think it implies a townie mindset - the reasoning feels organic. I'm willing to upgrade SR to full town at this point.
#538 from Empoof: "Kind of unlucky considering my slot is like... probably the most contentious slot in the game, with the most tug and pull."
I did not get this impression at all and am curious to hear why Empoof thought this. But I think asking now is useless, let's play "Did anyone ask about it?"
Empoof has been NOTICABLY concerned about marko all game and at first I thought it was some sort of joke but the fact it's still going on page 10 is really weird. But I don't get the impression they're buddies, so why is it happening?
I don't have an answer for it, I'm just writing it out so I keep it on my mind as I continue reading.
If RE reads this post despite being dead: I respect you as a mafia player, particularly for #586.
Empoof's post #594 is weird. It reads as though Empoof thinks my slot is town but is mad at my slot for playing badly, while calling it scum. I just don't like it.
That brings me to the end of page 12. Changes in reads:
SR to town from lean town
Empoof to scum from lean scum
marko from "literally no posts" to null
I want to say I'm close with marko but it's more of a "we've played a ***** ton of games" dynamic and I usually enjoy sheeping him. He's a fairly easy read most of the time. Played pretty strong in sports mash, probably the hardest I've seen him wolf? Can't remember anything else like that. Of the people I was excited to play with it was him/ara/voxx kind of depending on his engagement level/health.
At the time I thought my slot was the most contentious, because it was one of the only slots that people both village read rather strongly and scum read rather strongly. A lot of people weren't really sure where to place me at the time, or felt confused about their read on me. It's pretty obvious from thread flow imo. It wasn't the most scum read or the most village read, just the most people disagreed about.
I'll have to reread that post you dislike from me but it's probably my "osie you're not doing anything" post that I would consider townie so
If you wanted to go for the TMI angle you should be looking more at my reads on voxx and ara. Maaaybe my read on marko but I think that's the most "if this, then that" read I have.
But if you want to engage with me I'm ready and willing
The creature purposefully positions itself into your personal space. It seems to forget why it's there and lets it's fiery gaze roam.(It also seems to forget how to breathe through it's nose)
<<MEGACOMBOBREAKERSNIP>>
They usually include: forced, defensive (tubba never responded to my question about this, odd), trying too hard, exaggerating something I did.
I'm sorry, I fell into a little rabbit hole called Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead, and have been somewhat neglectful. What was your question?
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You said you weren’t sure about me because of some fluff posts and defensivesness. I asked you where you saw defensiveness. While I am a defensive person, I haven’t really felt defensive this game, so that had me perk up. Scum really like to try to use being defensive against me when I’m not even close to that, so it’s something that perks my life are up a bit.
First off, you weren't being pressured particularly when you contradicted yourself on me. But you don't seem to want to talk about that. So I'll give you the chances I gave Phraze in ZE.
Your only world is Voxx-Osie-Titus. Talk to me about the interactions and why that's the team. Talk to me about why you have no other worlds.
If you don't want to talk about your posts or your reads, talk to me about the wagon person by person. Why are Voxx and I the most likely to be scum in your mind out of all five people voting you?
If you don't want to talk about your reads or other people's reads on you, then talk to me about other people's reads on others. I'll let you pick the people.
If you don't want to talk about that, well, here's a questionnaire of other questions:
1. How did you decide on a profile picture?
2. What do you think makes an ideal town player? An ideal scum player?
3. Do you drink? If so, what's your favorite wine? (From a bottle.) Why?
4. What's your favorite wine? (Source for the Mafia kind of wine.) Why?
5. If you were to associate yourself with three anime characters, one to represent how you ideally want to be seen by people, one to represent how you worry about being seen by people, and one to represent how you think people might see you in a more null context, who would you choose and why?
6. Which do you think is more important to a game of Mafia: A positive attitude, or a careful thought-process? Why?
7. Who here other than yourself has the most appealing avatar, and why?
8. In the early game, are you most concerned about pocketing, bussing, powerwolfing, buddying, or some other common scumtell? Why?
9. What does this image represent to you?
10. Mafia is all about an uninformed majority and informed minority. It can be hard for scum to hide their knowledge. What do you feel is the best way within the rules of the game for scum to do that, and why?
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A. Out of questions 1-10, which questions do you think help me to discern your alignment? Why?
B. I like to put myself as confirmed town and everyone else at null, then push people in my reads one way or another based on what I think of their posts as the thread goes on. Is that a good scumhunting method? Why or why not?
C. Is that a good townclearing method? Why or why not?
D. Throughout this thread, a lot of questions have been thrown around. Do you think questioning people is the best method of form reads, or is something else, like mechanics discussion, tangentially-related discussion, or another method better?
E. Take the player who is your strongest scumread at the moment. What do you think their answers to these questions would be?
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I. Out of questions A-E, which questions do you think help me to discern your alignment? Why?
II. If you were to pick any player to answer any selection of these questions, who would you pick for which questions, and why?
We still kill this slot. Holy moly. So ridiculous.
I can't remember the game I played with empoof but honestly it's so similar. It was so long ago that it's probably wildly different in terms of his posting, but his tone and his general posting style just screams the same to me
I will link it tomorrow if I find it
Feels legit genuine. Marko EoD looking clean. Wanting my CFD is probably >rand villagery too given his views and the way he reads me.
Your first instinct when hammering someone isn't to say "claim?" it's to talk about the potential alignment flip. Claiming won't do anything unless they're exactly a cop with a n0 check which isn't in this game and Ara was obviously not a cop or she would have claimed a lot earlier. This feels like an ACTUAL TMI slip (different than all the other TMI talk that's been done in this game) that they knew ara was town.
The hammer was probably a legitimate mistake but the immediate reaction to hammering someone that you've been talking about not liking (in reference to you saying you wouldn't want to vote osie because it has me and ara on the wagon) isn't to assume they're a villager.
I was Rudd threetrees, nacho ate me night one. Jerk! Although it was so much fun watching him impersonate me!
I guess I should actually read end of day yesterday. I pretty much missed that last section of yesterday.
I feel like I *should* respond to something of wheats posts, but when it feels like someone is doing such a dishonest reading of my posts it feels like they’re not trying to actually read me but are painting me to be something then I pretty much stop respecting what they have to say about the game as a whole. It just doesn’t feel genuine, but again I don’t know if he’s one of those scummy town players.
If you see me in here again tell me to shut up. I have to get up super early!
@Tubba, I don't solo VCA. VCA is about placing votes in context. For instance, if Grape is scum, you'd likely be his partner bc you cast the deciding vote. Osie is unlikely scum with Grape because the wagon populations, tend to mirror yesterday.
J guess there's a world where Osie"s frustration was actually town indicative I just like can't do his reaction to it and the fact Wheat has so far flipped consensus reads on their head is so confusing
But also makes so little sense it's probably orchestrated at this stage
Like someone going for being too scummy to be scum
I feel like someone talked about this already unless it was me musing to myself
Anyway I'll engage when they've caught up. Tentatively will lynch their slot or Grape.
@Tubba, I don't solo VCA. VCA is about placing votes in context. For instance, if Grape is scum, you'd likely be his partner bc you cast the deciding vote. Osie is unlikely scum with Grape because the wagon populations, tend to mirror yesterday.
J guess there's a world where Osie"s frustration was actually town indicative I just like can't do his reaction to it and the fact Wheat has so far flipped consensus reads on their head is so confusing
But also makes so little sense it's probably orchestrated at this stage Like someone going for being too scummy to be scum
I feel like someone talked about this already unless it was me musing to myself
Anyway I'll engage when they've caught up. Tentatively will lynch their slot or Grape.
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@Tubba, I don't solo VCA. VCA is about placing votes in context. For instance, if Grape is scum, you'd likely be his partner bc you cast the deciding vote. Osie is unlikely scum with Grape because the wagon populations, tend to mirror yesterday.
Ok, I'll be more specific. In what way was my vote a "deciding vote"? IIRC, when I voted for Ara, Grape no longer had a wagon?
Why does the wagon population maintaining similarities with yesterday's make Osie more likely town?
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@Tammy, I noticed a few instances where you were quick to discredit scum leans placed on you. That's not a big deal on it's own, but just pinged me based on the fact that you're widely town read. That was an older read, but you're doing it again in response to Wheat's probes, and in your question to me regarding it, you soft shade me. I'd call that a little defensive, no?
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@Tubba, I don't solo VCA. VCA is about placing votes in context. For instance, if Grape is scum, you'd likely be his partner bc you cast the deciding vote. Osie is unlikely scum with Grape because the wagon populations, tend to mirror yesterday.
Ok, I'll be more specific. In what way was my vote a "deciding vote"? IIRC, when I voted for Ara, Grape no longer had a wagon?
Why does the wagon population maintaining similarities with yesterday's make Osie more likely town?
This is something already explained. Ara and Grape were tied 4 v 4. The only significant vote you cast was the tiebreaker pushing Ara closer to lynch.
If the same players vote in the same patterns, it is likely that the two wagons are on the same alignment.
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@Tammy, I noticed a few instances where you were quick to discredit scum leans placed on you. That's not a big deal on it's own, but just pinged me based on the fact that you're widely town read. That was an older read, but you're doing it again in response to Wheat's probes, and in your question to me regarding it, you soft shade me. I'd call that a little defensive, no?
@Tubba, I don't solo VCA. VCA is about placing votes in context. For instance, if Grape is scum, you'd likely be his partner bc you cast the deciding vote. Osie is unlikely scum with Grape because the wagon populations, tend to mirror yesterday.
Are you reading the whole game?
Yes. I'm just responding to the relevant parts. You trying to sell yourself Osie scum or fabricate a reason to vote Osie does nothing for me.
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@Tammy, I noticed a few instances where you were quick to discredit scum leans placed on you. That's not a big deal on it's own, but just pinged me based on the fact that you're widely town read. That was an older read, but you're doing it again in response to Wheat's probes, and in your question to me regarding it, you soft shade me. I'd call that a little defensive, no?
The only person who even hinted that I might not be town has been Titus. And my problem with Titus' doubt casting on me was what she said didn't gel with our history and it felt like she was making stuff up to try to discretion me because she realized that would be an easier way to deal with me. I don't know why I wouldn't question something that is fundamentally wrong.
If asking you to explain yourself is shading then yeah that's what I'm doing? But then everything is in a game of mafia because aren't you then doing the same thing to Titus here?
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@Tammy, I noticed a few instances where you were quick to discredit scum leans placed on you. That's not a big deal on it's own, but just pinged me based on the fact that you're widely town read. That was an older read, but you're doing it again in response to Wheat's probes, and in your question to me regarding it, you soft shade me. I'd call that a little defensive, no?
@Tubba, I don't solo VCA. VCA is about placing votes in context. For instance, if Grape is scum, you'd likely be his partner bc you cast the deciding vote. Osie is unlikely scum with Grape because the wagon populations, tend to mirror yesterday.
Are you reading the whole game?
Yes. I'm just responding to the relevant parts. You trying to sell yourself Osie scum or fabricate a reason to vote Osie does nothing for me.
Did you read the parts where I’m sus of you? Do you think it’s an unfair evaluation? Did you have any reaction at all?
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@Tammy, I noticed a few instances where you were quick to discredit scum leans placed on you. That's not a big deal on it's own, but just pinged me based on the fact that you're widely town read. That was an older read, but you're doing it again in response to Wheat's probes, and in your question to me regarding it, you soft shade me. I'd call that a little defensive, no?
I don't really have much to say (yet again) mainly because I'd rather leave Wheat alone until there's a bit more content (as I said before). Why are people willing to lynch someone who has just subbed in? Like, the slot is likely scum due to how osie was acting, I just think the slot has the chance to do some work so that it can be certain as to whether they are scum or not. Most of this is mainly for the benefit of me trying to read them though.
Wheat, I still feel kind of odd about the Tammy/Empoof thing. This is mainly because you phrased it as it being a M/M interaction, which would mean it shouldn't have ramifications if one of them happened to be Town. Hence me feeling odd that you put Tammy as worse. On top of that, you never really said what made the interaction scummy.
I don't think I saw any mention of Tubba besides their RP thing, and I have seen that be done by scum before so I'm kinda wondering if there's anything that furthers your current conclusion of him being lean Town.
Also, do you think Grape/Tammy is possible, is there anything you can point to to support that?
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@Tubba, I don't solo VCA. VCA is about placing votes in context. For instance, if Grape is scum, you'd likely be his partner bc you cast the deciding vote. Osie is unlikely scum with Grape because the wagon populations, tend to mirror yesterday.
Are you reading the whole game?
Yes. I'm just responding to the relevant parts. You trying to sell yourself Osie scum or fabricate a reason to vote Osie does nothing for me.
Did you read the parts where I’m sus of you? Do you think it’s an unfair evaluation? Did you have any reaction at all?
You don't like my conclusion but I haven't seen any suspicion beyond gut. Second, even if I did miss something, it's not worth defending myself as more actions by you suss out your alignment better than be attacking this nebulous gut.
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Hey worst bummer about cities. I know you provided some meta in that game, but would you say that’s your typical replace in style as scum?
:0 holy crap that reundo though damn
I'd say that's about my replacement style regardless of alignment if I'm honest. Except I didn't read as much of the thread as I wish I did and the gamestate was kinda dead considering how close to LyLo it was.
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So I am now in full on panic mode about the upcoming semester, and having mafia as one more thing is overwhelming as *****. So, I’m not gonna worry about deep reading over the next couple days. Skimming it is!
Not toooooo much of anything has changed for me. I’m still at voxx, sc, empoof town and don’t have any cause or desire to re-evaluate those now.
I was going to laugh at wheat grinders read on me and say he just literally can’t help himself as s um because I thought I remembered him giving me those patented mtgs scum reads in four horsemen, but I looked back and it was anak and shadow not him. Anyways thoigh, at the risk of sounding omgussy, he is hitting the weird ass notes scum default to when attacking me. They usually include: forced, defensive (tubba never responded to my question about this, odd), trying too hard, exaggerating something I did. I’m thinking for this last one the concept that I was “praising a push” true I ended up thinking she was scummy and my team had a strong read there, but praising?
Is it just me or does anyone else think it’s weird for some to think that a player is town because he’d be too self-conscious to role play while also thinking two people would be trying too hard by talking about eggsat the beginning of the game and that meant they’re buddies? Because in my mind, you can’t legitimately hold those two thoughts. This also could be me feeling a little insulted because I think I’m somewhat decent at partner interaction and distancing although I suppose I’d be happy to talk about eggs if a partner ever asked? I don’t know, it was just such a weird thing to push a read on. Anyway I haven’t really liked the sum total of his reads, but I don’t know if he’s just one of those scummy town players. I feel like we’ve played together in a game besides four horseman though, si idk.
Anyway none of that matters today anyway because now I really have no desire for anything but grape. Like his big scum read osie is ahead of him in the votes and he moves to himself putting himself to l-1? I don’t know if it’s because he’s given up regardless of alignment or if they’re partnered wheat will have a chance to go farther? I don’t know. Who know who cares, if he’s going to give up I’m not going to spend more time considering his alignment. So my vote is there in spirit but if he is at l-1 I’m not hammering before people are ready. (Voxx - I didn’t read that as a scum claim. I read that and just went what? OH I think I understand why you were tilting your head back and forth at 510 and 511 now, maybe)
I do think if grapefruit is scum then titus looks decently town, and if tubba is also scum this gets more likely. Not a take it to the bet bank because people’s meta do change but it’d be surprising. If grape and wheat are both scum, I’d still think that titus’ push on grape when grape looked like he was interested in playing the game is unlikely partners, but that’s where did do a bit of a meta dive to see how she’s treated partners recently. If grape is town and wheat is scum, the way she’s grape v osie would take some looking into. People are wrong sure, but the way she defends her town reads sometimes has a visceral feel to it. Anyway, who knows if some of this has changed, so.
I almost had a knee jerk reaction that wheat was scum because he hadn’t been reading, but then I remembered that I have a teammate that hasn’t read anything in my game since page 6 or 7, so nevermind that almost hypocritical scum read.
I meant to look back at grapefruits tubba mentions because my team thought that was partner indicative but I haven’t had a chance to do that yet and probably won’t soon.
Stay tuned for another episode of Tammy rambles.
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I can't talk about this I think but I think generally not.
I forgot to quote your post where you questioned my list but I knew I was forgetting something. You're actually at lean town.
I already answered this question in my scumlist. It's because Empoof suddenly started making decent points, enough to make me question the read, and Tammy hasn't had a post that makes me reconsider.
Wheat_Grinder - 3 (the worst, Foopme, Voxxicus)
Not Voting - 3 (Tammy, Wheat_Grinder, ScarletCelestial)
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@Scarlet Rage
Have you made any progress on your VCA of Osie?
Are you able to explain how your VCA ties me to Grape?
@Scarlet Celestial
I'm not sure I fully understand your question. I'm leaning scum on the Osie slot, but it's not as confident as my one on Grape. I just don't think town!Osie lets me off that easy.
@Voxx and Scarlet Celestial
Grape referencing his lack of a mouth could just be a flavour claim regarding his character. Like he's an ooze or something. It's his lack of town behaviour that makes him scum.
I'm sorry, I fell into a little rabbit hole called Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead, and have been somewhat neglectful. What was your question?
Tammy's #359 has more lines I dislike. "I want empoof to be town because I just like empoof's posting. Also he called me town." "Again the only real read I have right now is a town read on RE" < as of post 359 in the game (if I'm being generous I think this is actually only after having read to some undefined point past 225).
Tammy also says "I am a bit concerned about grapefruit here, but I'm reserving any thoughts until I catch up because I know there's a wagon on him and I'm interested in the reaction and people's reasons and because I need to step away now."
I see this as laying the ground for a bus without having to commit. Unfortunately scum having daytalk makes it weaker than normal since without daytalk it indicates to a buddy "hey, shape up so I can read you as town without going out on a limb for you" but I think here it's still valid as a move to cover bases and prevent suspicion if grape flips.
oh hey marko finally posted in #411. ...but I don't get a whole lot of motive from it.
@Tammy: Please explain this, now. And I'm really sad no one picked up on this
Empoof makes a bunch of reads but also fails to call anyone scum in #444 which I really don't like.
I disagree with the content of #476 from SR but I think it implies a townie mindset - the reasoning feels organic. I'm willing to upgrade SR to full town at this point.
#538 from Empoof: "Kind of unlucky considering my slot is like... probably the most contentious slot in the game, with the most tug and pull."
I did not get this impression at all and am curious to hear why Empoof thought this. But I think asking now is useless, let's play "Did anyone ask about it?"
Empoof has been NOTICABLY concerned about marko all game and at first I thought it was some sort of joke but the fact it's still going on page 10 is really weird. But I don't get the impression they're buddies, so why is it happening?
I don't have an answer for it, I'm just writing it out so I keep it on my mind as I continue reading.
If RE reads this post despite being dead: I respect you as a mafia player, particularly for #586.
Empoof's post #594 is weird. It reads as though Empoof thinks my slot is town but is mad at my slot for playing badly, while calling it scum. I just don't like it.
That brings me to the end of page 12. Changes in reads:
SR to town from lean town
Empoof to scum from lean scum
marko from "literally no posts" to null
It was a drunken trolly joke from my team, but the next day I realized it might not be read that way and I wanted to let him know it was a joke.
At the time I thought my slot was the most contentious, because it was one of the only slots that people both village read rather strongly and scum read rather strongly. A lot of people weren't really sure where to place me at the time, or felt confused about their read on me. It's pretty obvious from thread flow imo. It wasn't the most scum read or the most village read, just the most people disagreed about.
I'll have to reread that post you dislike from me but it's probably my "osie you're not doing anything" post that I would consider townie so
If you wanted to go for the TMI angle you should be looking more at my reads on voxx and ara. Maaaybe my read on marko but I think that's the most "if this, then that" read I have.
But if you want to engage with me I'm ready and willing
You said you weren’t sure about me because of some fluff posts and defensivesness. I asked you where you saw defensiveness. While I am a defensive person, I haven’t really felt defensive this game, so that had me perk up. Scum really like to try to use being defensive against me when I’m not even close to that, so it’s something that perks my life are up a bit.
ALSO @Wheat can you actually go into what changed your read on SR as opposed to just saying it blankly?
The one where we thought talking about our favorite way to cook chicken would obviously out us as buddies, so we’d be clever and talk eggs instead?
I should stop procrastinating on sleep and just crash.
But was talking about your drunken "you're a jackass" hello from you/gemma/definitely not nacho.
Also things I do when I’m near sleep but my mind wanders. I thought you were in first law, and you were.
Your first instinct when hammering someone isn't to say "claim?" it's to talk about the potential alignment flip. Claiming won't do anything unless they're exactly a cop with a n0 check which isn't in this game and Ara was obviously not a cop or she would have claimed a lot earlier. This feels like an ACTUAL TMI slip (different than all the other TMI talk that's been done in this game) that they knew ara was town.
The hammer was probably a legitimate mistake but the immediate reaction to hammering someone that you've been talking about not liking (in reference to you saying you wouldn't want to vote osie because it has me and ara on the wagon) isn't to assume they're a villager.
I was! haha!
Who were you in First Law??
heh
I guess I should actually read end of day yesterday. I pretty much missed that last section of yesterday.
I feel like I *should* respond to something of wheats posts, but when it feels like someone is doing such a dishonest reading of my posts it feels like they’re not trying to actually read me but are painting me to be something then I pretty much stop respecting what they have to say about the game as a whole. It just doesn’t feel genuine, but again I don’t know if he’s one of those scummy town players.
If you see me in here again tell me to shut up. I have to get up super early!
Respond to wheat's posts anyways. Will at least generate things to fart about.
You should definitely read EoD again too but maybe I'll bug you about that tomorrow rather than tonight.
J guess there's a world where Osie"s frustration was actually town indicative I just like can't do his reaction to it and the fact Wheat has so far flipped consensus reads on their head is so confusing
But also makes so little sense it's probably orchestrated at this stage
Like someone going for being too scummy to be scum
I feel like someone talked about this already unless it was me musing to myself
Anyway I'll engage when they've caught up. Tentatively will lynch their slot or Grape.
Ok, I'll be more specific. In what way was my vote a "deciding vote"? IIRC, when I voted for Ara, Grape no longer had a wagon?
Why does the wagon population maintaining similarities with yesterday's make Osie more likely town?
@Tammy, I noticed a few instances where you were quick to discredit scum leans placed on you. That's not a big deal on it's own, but just pinged me based on the fact that you're widely town read. That was an older read, but you're doing it again in response to Wheat's probes, and in your question to me regarding it, you soft shade me. I'd call that a little defensive, no?
This is something already explained. Ara and Grape were tied 4 v 4. The only significant vote you cast was the tiebreaker pushing Ara closer to lynch.
If the same players vote in the same patterns, it is likely that the two wagons are on the same alignment.
Yes. I'm just responding to the relevant parts. You trying to sell yourself Osie scum or fabricate a reason to vote Osie does nothing for me.
The only person who even hinted that I might not be town has been Titus. And my problem with Titus' doubt casting on me was what she said didn't gel with our history and it felt like she was making stuff up to try to discretion me because she realized that would be an easier way to deal with me. I don't know why I wouldn't question something that is fundamentally wrong.
If asking you to explain yourself is shading then yeah that's what I'm doing? But then everything is in a game of mafia because aren't you then doing the same thing to Titus here?
Seriously?
Asking questions when someone says something that is not right or doesn't feel right is not defensive or shading it's trying to figure someone out.
But I am, in fact, feeling quite defensive.
Wheat, I still feel kind of odd about the Tammy/Empoof thing. This is mainly because you phrased it as it being a M/M interaction, which would mean it shouldn't have ramifications if one of them happened to be Town. Hence me feeling odd that you put Tammy as worse. On top of that, you never really said what made the interaction scummy.
I don't think I saw any mention of Tubba besides their RP thing, and I have seen that be done by scum before so I'm kinda wondering if there's anything that furthers your current conclusion of him being lean Town.
Also, do you think Grape/Tammy is possible, is there anything you can point to to support that?
Umm wtf
You don't like my conclusion but I haven't seen any suspicion beyond gut. Second, even if I did miss something, it's not worth defending myself as more actions by you suss out your alignment better than be attacking this nebulous gut.
He is confirmed wolf but not outed because people are wagoning Osie who is obviously town.
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:0 holy crap that reundo though damn
I'd say that's about my replacement style regardless of alignment if I'm honest. Except I didn't read as much of the thread as I wish I did and the gamestate was kinda dead considering how close to LyLo it was.