I've been a little tunneled on Ara, but I've talked about Titus before, and I especially dislike the way they handled Ara if Ara flips V here, which seems obvious she will.
Titus basically has been avoiding the wagon while still calling Ara scum, in a way that feels like a wolf trying to avoid being tied to the push. 'Osie wagon has Empoof and Ara on it, dislike > votes Empoof despite it not being a viable wagon' type things.
I talked about the disconnect between their stated strength of scum reads and their feelings about D1's in one of my big posts too, as well as it feeling like Titus is 'giving people what they want' in terms of posting/talking about reads instead of being quite as... dog-with-a-bone? self assured? Idk. Hard to put into words, but basically being more agreeable/trying to conform to what we want from a typical villager rather than just being themselves.
What is the point of saying this when I'm flipping soon anyway?
Also when will my flip be posted? Because I want to go do other things, but if it's in a few minutes, I'll stick around!!!
When did you become so confident in Osie being town? Admittedly I haven't been reading the past two pages closely because EoD confusion but you were saying before that Osie and Scarlet were T/T, and now you're saying your entire team agrees that Osie is scum? When did that happen?
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More like when the read stopped being based entirely off a meta read and we actually looked at what he was saying!!!!!!
Also, the questions post!!!
Good, good.
Paranoia has me thinking you're still tricking us, but I think that's just me reading into the exclamation marks >.<
Now we gotta make sure Empoof doesn't ignore ScarletC.
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I've been a little tunneled on Ara, but I've talked about Titus before, and I especially dislike the way they handled Ara if Ara flips V here, which seems obvious she will.
Titus basically has been avoiding the wagon while still calling Ara scum, in a way that feels like a wolf trying to avoid being tied to the push. 'Osie wagon has Empoof and Ara on it, dislike > votes Empoof despite it not being a viable wagon' type things.
I talked about the disconnect between their stated strength of scum reads and their feelings about D1's in one of my big posts too, as well as it feeling like Titus is 'giving people what they want' in terms of posting/talking about reads instead of being quite as... dog-with-a-bone? self assured? Idk. Hard to put into words, but basically being more agreeable/trying to conform to what we want from a typical villager rather than just being themselves.
Yes, now I remember, sorry >.<
I forgot that it was a continuous thought on your part.
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If it's about Titus voting Empoof instead of Ara, she's mentioned an Empoof/Scarlet team earlier when Empoof unvoted Scarlet for Osie. I don't think it makes her town automatically, but it was definitely something she had in mind prior (so not entirely *weird*).
Indeed. I wanted to resolve Ara's frequent obession with me but if I was favoring an Ara lynch, my vote would show it.
I find it odd you never made a presence during the day, but find time post lynch to shade me. Feels more like you want the arguments I was making to die but didn't want to take me on face to face.
At this point, I actually find Vox's presence a little better, and Marko's lack of presence worse.
Marko could definitely be in my ScarletC/Osie team. And the way Vox defended ScarletC and Osie felt like he was looking at them from a village standpoint...
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My team would have been harder on you than I have been, in some ways, Voxx; not only did they want me to quote your posts about not getting mislynched at you, they also wanted me to quote something about Tom's spider roleplay posts to you from a game here a while back? I'm not really sure what that's about, but Newcomb was in the game too, so he might know!!
Well, not my entire team, but it's probably semi-obvious from who!!!
Just a bit obvious.
One half of your team would find it funny to tilt me into oblivious, the other less so.
At this point, I actually find Vox's presence a little better, and Marko's lack of presence worse.
Marko could definitely be in my ScarletC/Osie team. And the way Vox defended ScarletC and Osie felt like he was looking at them from a village standpoint...
Man, I really, really don't think they're ever w/w here.
Like, actually track that whole progression.
SC: Just lynch me if you flip town!
Osie: Offers to replace out so they don't have to play together.
Like, he's misreading the tenor of the posts in a way that shows he thinks SC is genuinely upset in-game and out of game with having to play with him/can't co-exist, etc.
That's just... not w/w theatre.
If I squint I could see one of them being a wolf /maybe/ but it's just so weird and kind of gross that I don't want to think one of them did it as a wolf.
At this point, I actually find Vox's presence a little better, and Marko's lack of presence worse.
Marko could definitely be in my ScarletC/Osie team. And the way Vox defended ScarletC and Osie felt like he was looking at them from a village standpoint...
Man, I really, really don't think they're ever w/w here.
Like, actually track that whole progression.
SC: Just lynch me if you flip town!
Osie: Offers to replace out so they don't have to play together.
Like, he's misreading the tenor of the posts in a way that shows he thinks SC is genuinely upset in-game and out of game with having to play with him/can't co-exist, etc.
That's just... not w/w theatre.
If I squint I could see one of them being a wolf /maybe/ but it's just so weird and kind of gross that I don't want to think one of them did it as a wolf.
I somehow suspect you're going to be left alive if you're town, given how tunneled you are on a pairing that I don't think is at all possible to exist.
I somehow suspect you're going to be left alive if you're town, given how tunneled you are on a pairing that I don't think is at all possible to exist.
^in case you want proof that kind of bussing *is* possible. Among many other posts.
It's disgusting if that's what a wolf says to town. Between a wolf and wolf? Totally within range of acceptable.
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I think Empoof has mostly? Been fine, but I'm a little headtilt-y at the way he's insisting I'm town for things that frankly should just have me at light town to null.
I'd feel more comfortable with him if he was just slotting me in as light town to null and treating me as self-resolving, which I generally am, but he's calling things villagery that I'm not sure he should be calling villagery, especially with the teammates he has who tend to be paranoid about me.
Can you talk more about why he's town that's not just vague 'never lynch him!' 'body of work!' type stuff? I've been kind of fighting with my team about him a little bit, in that I think he's probably town despite the read on me, and they kinda disagree, so if you're that sure on it, now is uh. Kind of your only time to really hammer the read in.
I somehow suspect you're going to be left alive if you're town, given how tunneled you are on a pairing that I don't think is at all possible to exist.
Although now this feels kind of TMI-y.
Hmm. Ugh. Will reread.
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The book shivers, and the pages begin to turn of their own accord.
They rapidly flit back and forth, until the book rests open on the page labeled "Tarrasque." A huge, blank space where the picture belongs... for now.
Tendrils of magic reach from the book, entangling the massive beast. Though it is immune to nearly everything, it is hapless when faced with the magic that created it. A loud *shloop* sounds through the library as the creature is shrunk to the appropriate size, flattened into 2 dimensions, and sucked back into the book .
Arapocalypse has been lynched.
She was:
The Tarrasque (Town Vanilla)
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Welcome to Monster Manual Mafia, Arapocalypse.
You are the Tarrasque (Town Vanilla).
The legendary tarrasque -- fortunately, only one exists -- is possibly the most dreaded monster of all (except for the largest dragons). None can predict where and when the creature will strike next.
The location of the tarrasque’s lair is a mystery, and the beast remains dormant much of the time. Its torporous slumber usually lasts for 6d4 months before it leaves its lair for a brief hunting foray lasting 1d3 days. Once every decade or so, the monster is particularly active, staying awake for 1d2 weeks. Thereafter, it sleeps for at least 4d6 years years unless disturbed.
When active, the tarrasque is a perfect engine of destruction. It rampages across the land eating everything in its path, including plants, animals, humanoids, and even towns. Nothing is safe, and entire communities prefer to flee the ravening tarrasque rather than face its power.
Many legends surround the tarrasque’s origins and purpose. Some hold it to be an abomination unleashed by ancient, forgotten gods to punish all of nature, while others tell of a conspiracy between evil wizards or merciless elemental powers. These tales are mere speculation, however, and the creature’s true nature will probably remain a mystery. The tarrasque isn’t in the habit of explaining itself, and it rarely leaves any living witnesses in its wake.
The tarrasque is a scaly biped 70 feet long and 50 feet tall, with two horns on its head, a lashing tail, and a reflective carapace. It weighs about 30 tons.
. You may be dangerous to a party of adventurers, but among your fellow monsters you have no weapons but your voice and your vote.
A bright glow emanates from it and the pages flip quickly to the one marked "Gelatinous Cube." As you look around, you notice that someone has stabbed the poor cube in the back... or what passes for the back of a completely symmetrical, nearly invisible cube of semi-sentient gelatin.
As the cube leaks a clear fluid from its wound, tendrils of magic once again reach out and grab it around the middle. With a loud *shloop*, the cube is returned to the pages as well.
RE1031 has been killed.
She was:
A Gelatinous Cube (Town Bodyguard).
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Welcome to Monster Manual Mafia, RE1031.
You are a Gelatinous Cube (Town Bodyguard).
The nearly transparent gelatinous cube travels slowly along dungeon corridors and cave floors, absorbing carrion, creatures, and trash. Inorganic material remains trapped and visible inside the cube’s body.
A typical gelatinous cube is 10 feet on a side and weighs 10,000 pounds, though much larger specimens are not unknown.
A gelatinous cube attacks by slamming its body into its prey. It is capable of lashing out with a pseudopod, but it usually engulfs foes.
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You have the following abilities.
Transparent Ooze:Once each night, you may target a player. Any kills that target that player that night will “accidentally” kill you, instead, because you’re so hard to see.
Hey, will be around for under an hour (because sleep). I've got two prewritten posts: EoD stuff/questions and Ara progression stuff (and this to be fair because it's 22:30 and I'm impatient).
I'm not going to post my Ara progression ISOs just yet, because I want to hear some answers to my questions first and I don't want them to be tainted by anything I say in those. (Especially the one I heavily scumread.)
The above is pretty much all I did during the Night phase since I only had the motivation to work on it last night and this afternoon. (The Ara thing took 5 hours!)
About to post EoD thoughts, and will then move onto ISOing the recently departed (you can tell this was also prewritten, can't ya?) in order to see if there's any possibility I can find what they said that lead to them dying, because people don't die for no reason. (I had a bad experience where I did this, didn't give it any credit and I could've caught the entire scum team with it...) I'll have this in the background, but feel free to talk to me while I do that.
And the moral I got from the Night was thus: I really need to stop overlooking people because I get a feeling of Towniness and just leave it. Insert cliffhanger here, to be continued in the Ara progression post.
Finally:
@the worst
May I ask you about your personality, experience and homesite please?
How caught up are you, and can you spare a readlist?
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Basic stuff from after I left yesterDay. (Also, open question, what is tinfoil because I think I've got the meaning of it wrong...) PS: deleted the big part that was a reply to RE which isn't really needed without her alive. (It was to do with the osie/Scarlet interaction)
1018 (Titus): OK, you say an hour before deadline, I say 8.5 hours until deadline. Also, that would be much appreciated: I don't think I can read you by conventional means, so if I can follow your logic through what you say here and go back through Day 1 I can hopefully see if there are any inconsistencies or oddities.
1026 (Voxx): Voxx didn't actually create a Town core (of which I tend to oppose anyway because trying to create one Day 1 usually has a mistake in it) he foretold the future. Also, why was this a good way to spend your time?
1029 (Titus): It's likely Scarlet foot Wut? What are you trying to say here, because I don't get it.
1035 (osie): I've seen this somewhere before, I vaguely remember it (it was definitely from a Town game of yours, which I must've forgotten about.) Also, because it's like 10pm Friday and I'm bored and want to see how long it takes (30 minute time limit to comply with the amount of time Ara had), I'll answer your questions:
1. I was reading Working!!! and I found an anime image of Yamada/Poplar. Yamada is currently my MU and Poplar is for here.
2. An ideal Town player is able to formulate accurate Town reads whilst being able to sound Townie enough to get lynched. They usually get NK'd N1. Ideal scum is Fable full stop.
3. I'm too young to drink alcohol. I like the soft drink Fanta. (orangeade made by Coca-Cola)
4. See above.
5. Yona, Aqua, some tsundere (this comes from something said by CADAEMOS)
6. A mixture of both would be best, but a positive attitude would come across and be easy Town, and people with positive attitudes would contribute more, most likely.
7. Titus. Mia made me want to play Ace Attorney again, and I do love the art for the series. (Which I did whilst I had no internet at my nan's.)
8. Pocketing - a common trend in my games is that I always manage to Townread one member of scum in a game without looking back at them because I'm so certain.
9. The outline of the clear bit makes me think of some sort of dungeon boss in a game.
10. Using language that suggests they are unsure. "I think" "Maybe" etc used consistently is a good way of doing that.
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A. All of them. First is a baseline for truthfulness, the second is to say how well a player can formulate thought outside the context of the game, 3 and 4 are the same as 1, 5 is to show personality, 6 would be the same as 2, 7 may suggest possible spew/partnering possibly, 8 is the same as 6 and 2, 9 is from that psychological test I can't remember the name of, 10 is an indicator of how the player may play as scum.
B/C. That's what I do and I'm pretty accurate from it, so yes it's good. There's a few pitfalls of course: being too swayed by certain voices is one I usually end up falling for. (I'm a bit gullible...) I also like trying to consider both the possibility that someone is Town or scum unless I'm more than 95% sure. (RE is at like 96% and Tammy is about 86%)
D. I myself work best with real time interaction and when I can put a lot of time in: I think this is the basis of all my issues this game, except the one where I have no clue who the scum could be really.
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This is where I reach 30 minutes.
What I managed to do in 30 minutes was only up to D. This would've been a genuine waste of time. Osie may I ask why you thought when you posted it was the best point at which you could pose this to Ara? I ain't getting why - yes it could've been for the Night phase, but Ara was the highest lynch candidate and was highly unlikely to survive.
1047 (Voxx): Although NAI, I think he is genuinely disgusted here. (Hell, with our conversation it is basically horrible stuff anyway.)
1051 (Ara): They say something here about how they think not all the scum would be on their wagon: I'd agree, even with these numbers. 1/3 or 2/3 probably.
1052/1081 (Voxx): Ara + 2 of [Grape, Marko, Trob, Titus] is where I'm at right now.What do you think now that Ara has flipped Town? In 1052 you said that, now you say you want Titus to burn. Anybody else?
1070 (Titus): Not the worst hammer ever, but something still pings me as off about this. Will probably have to leave unless there's further evidence from the ISO.
1087 (RE): Scum don't question alignments in twilight, I don't think. RE Town pointer.
1096 (Marko): See above, he's still questioning alignment too. Marko Town pointer.
1100 (Voxx): Said in a lot more logical way to Marko and RE (which seemed more freaked out) which means not a Town pointer.
1146 (Empoof): Something's off about this. It's more the second line You played a good game which is similar to "good game" which suggests friendship but no, the you is what is triggering me. Like he knows Ara was onto something. (I'm writing this at like past 11pm so may be a little wacky so I'm probably hallucinating but it's a noted thought.)
Questions:
Empoof/Marko - I listed some issues from skimming Empoof's ISO (#1001). Can you two please comment? (Empoof as Empoof, Marko as the person who first bought up the issue.) Fixes to 1001: first point is sketchy. Just ignore my weirdness with that. (Thought that Empoof having Marko as that when he hadn't even spoke at that point was weird to do as Town, but now I realise it wouldn't have had any benefit for scum either.)
Also Empoof/Marko, can I please get that game where you two were scum together?
Titus do you have what I asked you about before ready yet?
Voxx what do you think about osie?
Anybody Has anybody got meta on Voxx?
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Meh don't think I need to ISO RE. They were looking into me/osie/Voxx and it's not me. Possibly the other two I guess.
Also, still haven't done that osie ISO T.T
Nevermind, can't be sure it's RE who died. Really should've read the role PM before posting this stuff. Well, it was probably RE or Tammy but not taking any chances if it was Tammy. (Tammy is based off being widely Townread like RE.)
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Meh don't think I need to ISO RE. They were looking into me/osie/Voxx and it's not me. Possibly the other two I guess.
Also, still haven't done that osie ISO T.T
Nevermind, can't be sure it's RE who died. Really should've read the role PM before posting this stuff. Well, it was probably RE or Tammy but not taking any chances if it was Tammy. (Tammy is based off being widely Townread like RE.)
i don't remember what you asked for but this feels like tmi
RE? Really? I guess... I was expecting Tammy to die.
About the questions post, it was created for Dawning (Phraze to some) in ZeroEscape when she didn't want to answer questions about more directly relevant material. I felt Ara was dodging/ignoring the heck out of questions here. I hoped she would just answer the actual part of more game-centric questions but given how much she'd been dodging it before I was willing to give another option. She took that as an opportunity to badmouth all of the post, which I found atrocious when catching up just after the deadline.
Anyways, I want to hear some clear, well-explained thoughts from Empoof on the game state or he's still my number one choice for a lynch toDay.
Meh don't think I need to ISO RE. They were looking into me/osie/Voxx and it's not me. Possibly the other two I guess.
Also, still haven't done that osie ISO T.T
Nevermind, can't be sure it's RE who died. Really should've read the role PM before posting this stuff. Well, it was probably RE or Tammy but not taking any chances if it was Tammy. (Tammy is based off being widely Townread like RE.)
i don't remember what you asked for but this feels like tmi
All I read was that "RE has died" and posted my stuff quickly. I just feel so embarrassed right now. Feels like I just called my teacher mum in the middle of class.
I asked you to list your process of what VCs meant what to you, and what interactions. Thought it would help track your progress, since I don't think I can read you through conventional means.
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RE? Really? I guess... I was expecting Tammy to die.
About the questions post, it was created for Dawning (Phraze to some) in ZeroEscape when she didn't want to answer questions about more directly relevant material. I felt Ara was dodging/ignoring the heck out of questions here. I hoped she would just answer the actual part of more game-centric questions but given how much she'd been dodging it before I was willing to give another option. She took that as an opportunity to badmouth all of the post, which I found atrocious when catching up just after the deadline.
Anyways, I want to hear some clear, well-explained thoughts from Empoof on the game state or he's still my number one choice for a lynch toDay.
Man. This would be hilarious if he's a wolf that shot Tammy, and is confused why RE died instead, without realizing what RE's role is.
Not sure I really believe that it is what happened, but it'd be hilarious regardless.
RE? Really? I guess... I was expecting Tammy to die.
About the questions post, it was created for Dawning (Phraze to some) in ZeroEscape when she didn't want to answer questions about more directly relevant material. I felt Ara was dodging/ignoring the heck out of questions here. I hoped she would just answer the actual part of more game-centric questions but given how much she'd been dodging it before I was willing to give another option. She took that as an opportunity to badmouth all of the post, which I found atrocious when catching up just after the deadline.
Anyways, I want to hear some clear, well-explained thoughts from Empoof on the game state or he's still my number one choice for a lynch toDay.
Man. This would be hilarious if he's a wolf that shot Tammy, and is confused why RE died instead, without realizing what RE's role is.
Not sure I really believe that it is what happened, but it'd be hilarious regardless.
You call that TMI and not mine? Also, questions from 1153? (The stuff not spoilered, your name is bolded)
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PS: just realised people may not get the joke from 1160. If this were reality I'd be saying it in a fake scandalised tone. Like "how dare you?" concerning the TMI bit. (I'm also aware he is not calling osie's post TMI.)
God I'm tired.
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I'll get to it, just was catching up first. Didn't super feel like digging into your post in depth just yet, given I'm heading out for food shortly.
Can you talk to me about Grapefruit and Marko?
Grape I'd rather not talk about just yet - want to see what they post this phase first. Don't really know what to think of their Day 1 really, because my gut said Town but on second reading the RE case was plain bad. Seemed similar to a prior scum game as well. I never managed to get answers concerning that.
Marko is a pretty easy Town read. As I mentioned in EoD thoughts, Marko (like RE) was freaking out over Ara's alignment even in Twilight, and it spoke Town to me. On top of that, I've played a number of games with him and have correctly identified him as Town in every one of them. The tone is Townie, as is him being off Ara a good look as well I think: his read on Ara he did not compromise on, whereas scum would've likely voted Ara eventually if available. Him not apologising for lurking is pretty nice too, scum would likely be more apologetic in order to try and have it overlooked. Their late Day Empoof read feels just like something I myself have done before as Town. He goes against the grain at points: doesn't like your start of Day nor does he like RE. Both of those were mainly uncontested at that point. (I think myself and Titus were the only other people not liking the Ara post, though for different reasons.)
OK that read kinda spiralled but basically I like Marko.
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Meta for me uh... I've played ~20 games on MTGS through the years, some on gimmicks some on this account.
Only 2 wolf games on known accounts, Ultimate Showdown (Specialty from a few years ago), and Mistborn (replaced in as a gimmick, quixotic72).
Town games uh...
2016 Invitational, ZDS' Normal, WWE, Checks and Balances, Goldeneye (as Bloscovi), Predator, Apocalypse, I'm forgetting a bunch but cba bringing up stats sheet.
You can find games from me on a ton of other sites including MU, but I play significantly different in slow phases here, so, yeah.
I'd say an accurate summation is that I'm relatively self-resolving, usually either NK'd or obvious town by D3, and if I'm not either of those, you should consider lynching me until I bleed town or die.
He's lynchbait as town, and I kind of think he is town, but there's a few things that make me kind of hesitant, and I need to figure out if those things are Wolf!weird or Osie!weird.
He's someone I'll be spending a bit of time on this day phase. My health isn't fully up to par, but it's significantly improved over D1, so activity will jump a ton.
He's lynchbait as town, and I kind of think he is town, but there's a few things that make me kind of hesitant, and I need to figure out if those things are Wolf!weird or Osie!weird.
He's someone I'll be spending a bit of time on this day phase. My health isn't fully up to par, but it's significantly improved over D1, so activity will jump a ton.
Maybe it would help if you shared those few things. What do you find weird? Can you explain the Townie stuff?
Still getting headaches?
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Yeah. Still super sensitive to light, but vision isn't quite as blurry, and I'm not constantly dizzy and nauseated. Baby steps.
I'll talk about Osie when I have time to sit down at computer and pull things up/look at team chat for things I mentioned for later reference.
The biggest feeling I get when I read Osie's posts, are an instinctual "Man, that's wolfy", followed by an half second pause as I process it, and who made the post, and then a "But I could totally see it coming from him as town".
He's a mislynch scum 100% need/want this game, and I'd like to deny it to them if I can solidly get there as town on him. Maybe I can't, and he'll die at some point, but it's my goal to make it difficult.
Heading out for food now, will pull stuff up tonight for specifics. Just more talking my general approach to Osie.
I do think he's never w/w with you, hence me arguing with RE a lot about that, but it's at least theoretically possible one of you is a wolf. My gut says it's v/v because that back and forth is really gross to make as w/v, but we'll see if that's where I end up.
If this sounds like a hedgey, indecisive mess, it's probably because it is
@Vox, why did you comment on Osie's speculation RE Tammy but not Scarlet's?
Hadn't really read SC's big post at the time, just kinda skimmed over it. I'll pick at it a bit when I'm back from food.
Talk to me about the wagons yesterday, and what you think it means for the gamestate, how it flowed. Both in terms of the alignments of people who had more than 2 votes on them, and for the people who were on the wagons, basically just stream of consciousness at me about where your head is at, and what you gleaned from things.
Yeah. Still super sensitive to light, but vision isn't quite as blurry, and I'm not constantly dizzy and nauseated. Baby steps.
I'll talk about Osie when I have time to sit down at computer and pull things up/look at team chat for things I mentioned for later reference.
The biggest feeling I get when I read Osie's posts, are an instinctual "Man, that's wolfy", followed by an half second pause as I process it, and who made the post, and then a "But I could totally see it coming from him as town".
He's a mislynch scum 100% need/want this game, and I'd like to deny it to them if I can solidly get there as town on him. Maybe I can't, and he'll die at some point, but it's my goal to make it difficult.
Heading out for food now, will pull stuff up tonight for specifics. Just more talking my general approach to Osie.
I do think he's never w/w with you, hence me arguing with RE a lot about that, but it's at least theoretically possible one of you is a wolf. My gut says it's v/v because that back and forth is really gross to make as w/v, but we'll see if that's where I end up.
If this sounds like a hedgey, indecisive mess, it's probably because it is
I'll be waiting for those osie thoughts then.
The second line, seems to be saying to me that you're not really sure of whether anything of his is for certain. The next line suggests that it must be a very large Town gap if you think he may be mislynched this game, and you feel pretty certain that scum are after him (bolded). It also feels like you're aiming for a Town read, which doesn't seem impartial.
I already knew about the RE dispute: you've repeated that exact line about 3 times now.
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Mm. Not really? If he's town, he's a mislynch scum probably need to win this game. It's more a holistic gameflow type thing - I'm sure you've randed wolf in games, and looked at the playerlist and been like 'alright, x, y and z look like plausible mislynches here' - Osie is 100% gonna be one of those names that they want to/hope to mislynch if he randed villager.
I like to try and deny wolves those mislynches if I can get there on them being town. Sometimes I can't, and they gotta die. Of those times, sometimes they're a wolf, and occasionally they're just a villager I couldn't accurately read this game.
Heading out for real this time though, want to get there before they get too busy.
Mm. Not really? If he's town, he's a mislynch scum probably need to win this game. It's more a holistic gameflow type thing - I'm sure you've randed wolf in games, and looked at the playerlist and been like 'alright, x, y and z look like plausible mislynches here' - Osie is 100% gonna be one of those names that they want to/hope to mislynch if he randed villager.
I like to try and deny wolves those mislynches if I can get there on them being town. Sometimes I can't, and they gotta die. Of those times, sometimes they're a wolf, and occasionally they're just a villager I couldn't accurately read this game.
Heading out for real this time though, want to get there before they get too busy.
No... people (unless they are seriously scummy and I can only think of lurkers off the top of my head) don't tend to be auto mislynches. It's more to do with the behaviour they exhibit within the game and if that is scummy. Even naturally scummy people can become widely Townread sometimes (Wisp in Unforgiving, for instance). Then again, most of my scum games were either early on (First game on MAL and first game on MU) or had players I didn't know who were high tier (Yeti, Dels, General Handkerchief etc) so I may not have the most common view of the subject.
Well, anyway, I think it would be easier to comment when you can post in more detail. Namely I want you to point out the few things you think of as weird.
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"Is it possible to be tsundere towards friends and family?"
I've been a little tunneled on Ara, but I've talked about Titus before, and I especially dislike the way they handled Ara if Ara flips V here, which seems obvious she will.
Titus basically has been avoiding the wagon while still calling Ara scum, in a way that feels like a wolf trying to avoid being tied to the push. 'Osie wagon has Empoof and Ara on it, dislike > votes Empoof despite it not being a viable wagon' type things.
I talked about the disconnect between their stated strength of scum reads and their feelings about D1's in one of my big posts too, as well as it feeling like Titus is 'giving people what they want' in terms of posting/talking about reads instead of being quite as... dog-with-a-bone? self assured? Idk. Hard to put into words, but basically being more agreeable/trying to conform to what we want from a typical villager rather than just being themselves.
Paranoia has me thinking you're still tricking us, but I think that's just me reading into the exclamation marks >.<
Now we gotta make sure Empoof doesn't ignore ScarletC.
I forgot that it was a continuous thought on your part.
Indeed. I wanted to resolve Ara's frequent obession with me but if I was favoring an Ara lynch, my vote would show it.
I find it odd you never made a presence during the day, but find time post lynch to shade me. Feels more like you want the arguments I was making to die but didn't want to take me on face to face.
I've 400 posted in a day phase with like 350 of them trying to get a single person lynched before!
At least they had the decency to actually flip wolf, grumble.
Marko could definitely be in my ScarletC/Osie team. And the way Vox defended ScarletC and Osie felt like he was looking at them from a village standpoint...
Just a bit obvious.
One half of your team would find it funny to tilt me into oblivious, the other less so.
Man, I really, really don't think they're ever w/w here.
Like, actually track that whole progression.
SC: Just lynch me if you flip town!
Osie: Offers to replace out so they don't have to play together.
Like, he's misreading the tenor of the posts in a way that shows he thinks SC is genuinely upset in-game and out of game with having to play with him/can't co-exist, etc.
That's just... not w/w theatre.
If I squint I could see one of them being a wolf /maybe/ but it's just so weird and kind of gross that I don't want to think one of them did it as a wolf.
That's my final call (for today)
If I die, remember it!!
ISO Captain America
If I have time, I'll whip up the exact post. There was some insane bussing between Capt and Nick Fury
I am this close to banging my head against the wall in response to the sheer idiocy displayed here today. I am struggling to understand that if we have a potential red check, why are we risking leaving that red check in the game for another round and giving the wolves more chances to actually win this game? God.
It's disgusting if that's what a wolf says to town. Between a wolf and wolf? Totally within range of acceptable.
I'd feel more comfortable with him if he was just slotting me in as light town to null and treating me as self-resolving, which I generally am, but he's calling things villagery that I'm not sure he should be calling villagery, especially with the teammates he has who tend to be paranoid about me.
Can you talk more about why he's town that's not just vague 'never lynch him!' 'body of work!' type stuff? I've been kind of fighting with my team about him a little bit, in that I think he's probably town despite the read on me, and they kinda disagree, so if you're that sure on it, now is uh. Kind of your only time to really hammer the read in.
Hmm. Ugh. Will reread.
They rapidly flit back and forth, until the book rests open on the page labeled "Tarrasque." A huge, blank space where the picture belongs... for now.
Tendrils of magic reach from the book, entangling the massive beast. Though it is immune to nearly everything, it is hapless when faced with the magic that created it. A loud *shloop* sounds through the library as the creature is shrunk to the appropriate size, flattened into 2 dimensions, and sucked back into the book .
Arapocalypse has been lynched.
She was:
Role PM
You are the Tarrasque (Town Vanilla).
The location of the tarrasque’s lair is a mystery, and the beast remains dormant much of the time. Its torporous slumber usually lasts for 6d4 months before it leaves its lair for a brief hunting foray lasting 1d3 days. Once every decade or so, the monster is particularly active, staying awake for 1d2 weeks. Thereafter, it sleeps for at least 4d6 years years unless disturbed.
When active, the tarrasque is a perfect engine of destruction. It rampages across the land eating everything in its path, including plants, animals, humanoids, and even towns. Nothing is safe, and entire communities prefer to flee the ravening tarrasque rather than face its power.
Many legends surround the tarrasque’s origins and purpose. Some hold it to be an abomination unleashed by ancient, forgotten gods to punish all of nature, while others tell of a conspiracy between evil wizards or merciless elemental powers. These tales are mere speculation, however, and the creature’s true nature will probably remain a mystery. The tarrasque isn’t in the habit of explaining itself, and it rarely leaves any living witnesses in its wake.
The tarrasque is a scaly biped 70 feet long and 50 feet tall, with two horns on its head, a lashing tail, and a reflective carapace. It weighs about 30 tons.
You may be dangerous to a party of adventurers, but among your fellow monsters you have no weapons but your voice and your vote.
It is now Night 1. Please do not post.
Night 1 ends on August 4th at 5:00 PM Eastern Time. There may be some delay in Day 2's start time, however.
You may continue to confer with your teams over Night.
Please try to have night actions submitted 1 hour before the phase ends so I have time to process them. This is not a hard rule, merely a request.
Waypoints should be updated with the last few vote counts sometime in the next 24 hours.
You played a good game.
Night actions will be locked in less than 1 hour at 5:00 PM Eastern Time. Day start may be delayed up to one hour from that time.
It is still Night 1. Please do not post.
A bright glow emanates from it and the pages flip quickly to the one marked "Gelatinous Cube." As you look around, you notice that someone has stabbed the poor cube in the back... or what passes for the back of a completely symmetrical, nearly invisible cube of semi-sentient gelatin.
As the cube leaks a clear fluid from its wound, tendrils of magic once again reach out and grab it around the middle. With a loud *shloop*, the cube is returned to the pages as well.
RE1031 has been killed.
She was:
Role PM
You are a Gelatinous Cube (Town Bodyguard).
A typical gelatinous cube is 10 feet on a side and weighs 10,000 pounds, though much larger specimens are not unknown.
A gelatinous cube attacks by slamming its body into its prey. It is capable of lashing out with a pseudopod, but it usually engulfs foes.
You have the following abilities.
Transparent Ooze: Once each night, you may target a player. Any kills that target that player that night will “accidentally” kill you, instead, because you’re so hard to see.
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to majority lynch.
It is now Day 2. You may resume posting.
Day 2 ends at 6:00 PM Eastern Time on August 18th unless there is a majority lynch.
I'm not going to post my Ara progression ISOs just yet, because I want to hear some answers to my questions first and I don't want them to be tainted by anything I say in those. (Especially the one I heavily scumread.)
The above is pretty much all I did during the Night phase since I only had the motivation to work on it last night and this afternoon. (The Ara thing took 5 hours!)
About to post EoD thoughts, and will then move onto ISOing the recently departed (you can tell this was also prewritten, can't ya?) in order to see if there's any possibility I can find what they said that lead to them dying, because people don't die for no reason. (I had a bad experience where I did this, didn't give it any credit and I could've caught the entire scum team with it...) I'll have this in the background, but feel free to talk to me while I do that.
And the moral I got from the Night was thus: I really need to stop overlooking people because I get a feeling of Towniness and just leave it.
Insert cliffhanger here, to be continued in the Ara progression post.Finally:
@the worst
May I ask you about your personality, experience and homesite please?
How caught up are you, and can you spare a readlist?
Also, still haven't done that osie ISO T.T
1018 (Titus): OK, you say an hour before deadline, I say 8.5 hours until deadline. Also, that would be much appreciated: I don't think I can read you by conventional means, so if I can follow your logic through what you say here and go back through Day 1 I can hopefully see if there are any inconsistencies or oddities.
1026 (Voxx): Voxx didn't actually create a Town core (of which I tend to oppose anyway because trying to create one Day 1 usually has a mistake in it) he foretold the future. Also, why was this a good way to spend your time?
1029 (Titus): It's likely Scarlet foot Wut? What are you trying to say here, because I don't get it.
1035 (osie): I've seen this somewhere before, I vaguely remember it (it was definitely from a Town game of yours, which I must've forgotten about.) Also, because it's like 10pm Friday and I'm bored and want to see how long it takes (30 minute time limit to comply with the amount of time Ara had), I'll answer your questions:
1. I was reading Working!!! and I found an anime image of Yamada/Poplar. Yamada is currently my MU and Poplar is for here.
2. An ideal Town player is able to formulate accurate Town reads whilst being able to sound Townie enough to get lynched. They usually get NK'd N1. Ideal scum is Fable full stop.
3. I'm too young to drink alcohol. I like the soft drink Fanta. (orangeade made by Coca-Cola)
4. See above.
5. Yona, Aqua, some tsundere (this comes from something said by CADAEMOS)
6. A mixture of both would be best, but a positive attitude would come across and be easy Town, and people with positive attitudes would contribute more, most likely.
7. Titus. Mia made me want to play Ace Attorney again, and I do love the art for the series. (Which I did whilst I had no internet at my nan's.)
8. Pocketing - a common trend in my games is that I always manage to Townread one member of scum in a game without looking back at them because I'm so certain.
9. The outline of the clear bit makes me think of some sort of dungeon boss in a game.
10. Using language that suggests they are unsure. "I think" "Maybe" etc used consistently is a good way of doing that.
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A. All of them. First is a baseline for truthfulness, the second is to say how well a player can formulate thought outside the context of the game, 3 and 4 are the same as 1, 5 is to show personality, 6 would be the same as 2, 7 may suggest possible spew/partnering possibly, 8 is the same as 6 and 2, 9 is from that psychological test I can't remember the name of, 10 is an indicator of how the player may play as scum.
B/C. That's what I do and I'm pretty accurate from it, so yes it's good. There's a few pitfalls of course: being too swayed by certain voices is one I usually end up falling for. (I'm a bit gullible...) I also like trying to consider both the possibility that someone is Town or scum unless I'm more than 95% sure. (RE is at like 96% and Tammy is about 86%)
D. I myself work best with real time interaction and when I can put a lot of time in: I think this is the basis of all my issues this game, except the one where I have no clue who the scum could be really.
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This is where I reach 30 minutes.
What I managed to do in 30 minutes was only up to D. This would've been a genuine waste of time. Osie may I ask why you thought when you posted it was the best point at which you could pose this to Ara? I ain't getting why - yes it could've been for the Night phase, but Ara was the highest lynch candidate and was highly unlikely to survive.
1047 (Voxx): Although NAI, I think he is genuinely disgusted here. (Hell, with our conversation it is basically horrible stuff anyway.)
1051 (Ara): They say something here about how they think not all the scum would be on their wagon: I'd agree, even with these numbers. 1/3 or 2/3 probably.
1052/1081 (Voxx): Ara + 2 of [Grape, Marko, Trob, Titus] is where I'm at right now.
What do you think now that Ara has flipped Town?In 1052 you said that, now you say you want Titus to burn. Anybody else?1070 (Titus): Not the worst hammer ever, but something still pings me as off about this. Will probably have to leave unless there's further evidence from the ISO.
1087 (RE): Scum don't question alignments in twilight, I don't think. RE Town pointer.
1096 (Marko): See above, he's still questioning alignment too. Marko Town pointer.
1100 (Voxx): Said in a lot more logical way to Marko and RE (which seemed more freaked out) which means not a Town pointer.
1146 (Empoof): Something's off about this. It's more the second line You played a good game which is similar to "good game" which suggests friendship but no, the you is what is triggering me. Like he knows Ara was onto something. (I'm writing this at like past 11pm so may be a little wacky so I'm probably hallucinating but it's a noted thought.)
Questions:
Empoof/Marko - I listed some issues from skimming Empoof's ISO (#1001). Can you two please comment? (Empoof as Empoof, Marko as the person who first bought up the issue.) Fixes to 1001: first point is sketchy. Just ignore my weirdness with that. (Thought that Empoof having Marko as that when he hadn't even spoke at that point was weird to do as Town, but now I realise it wouldn't have had any benefit for scum either.)
Also Empoof/Marko, can I please get that game where you two were scum together?
Titus do you have what I asked you about before ready yet?
Voxx what do you think about osie?
Anybody Has anybody got meta on Voxx?
Nevermind, can't be sure it's RE who died. Really should've read the role PM before posting this stuff. Well, it was probably RE or Tammy but not taking any chances if it was Tammy. (Tammy is based off being widely Townread like RE.)
i don't remember what you asked for but this feels like tmi
About the questions post, it was created for Dawning (Phraze to some) in ZeroEscape when she didn't want to answer questions about more directly relevant material. I felt Ara was dodging/ignoring the heck out of questions here. I hoped she would just answer the actual part of more game-centric questions but given how much she'd been dodging it before I was willing to give another option. She took that as an opportunity to badmouth all of the post, which I found atrocious when catching up just after the deadline.
Anyways, I want to hear some clear, well-explained thoughts from Empoof on the game state or he's still my number one choice for a lynch toDay.
All I read was that "RE has died" and posted my stuff quickly. I just feel so embarrassed right now. Feels like I just called my teacher mum in the middle of class.
I asked you to list your process of what VCs meant what to you, and what interactions. Thought it would help track your progress, since I don't think I can read you through conventional means.
Man. This would be hilarious if he's a wolf that shot Tammy, and is confused why RE died instead, without realizing what RE's role is.
Not sure I really believe that it is what happened, but it'd be hilarious regardless.
You call that TMI and not mine? Also, questions from 1153? (The stuff not spoilered, your name is bolded)
God I'm tired.
Can you talk to me about Grapefruit and Marko?
Grape I'd rather not talk about just yet - want to see what they post this phase first. Don't really know what to think of their Day 1 really, because my gut said Town but on second reading the RE case was plain bad. Seemed similar to a prior scum game as well. I never managed to get answers concerning that.
Marko is a pretty easy Town read. As I mentioned in EoD thoughts, Marko (like RE) was freaking out over Ara's alignment even in Twilight, and it spoke Town to me. On top of that, I've played a number of games with him and have correctly identified him as Town in every one of them. The tone is Townie, as is him being off Ara a good look as well I think: his read on Ara he did not compromise on, whereas scum would've likely voted Ara eventually if available. Him not apologising for lurking is pretty nice too, scum would likely be more apologetic in order to try and have it overlooked. Their late Day Empoof read feels just like something I myself have done before as Town. He goes against the grain at points: doesn't like your start of Day nor does he like RE. Both of those were mainly uncontested at that point. (I think myself and Titus were the only other people not liking the Ara post, though for different reasons.)
OK that read kinda spiralled but basically I like Marko.
Only 2 wolf games on known accounts, Ultimate Showdown (Specialty from a few years ago), and Mistborn (replaced in as a gimmick, quixotic72).
Town games uh...
2016 Invitational, ZDS' Normal, WWE, Checks and Balances, Goldeneye (as Bloscovi), Predator, Apocalypse, I'm forgetting a bunch but cba bringing up stats sheet.
You can find games from me on a ton of other sites including MU, but I play significantly different in slow phases here, so, yeah.
I'd say an accurate summation is that I'm relatively self-resolving, usually either NK'd or obvious town by D3, and if I'm not either of those, you should consider lynching me until I bleed town or die.
I'll let you know when I figure it out, tbh.
He's lynchbait as town, and I kind of think he is town, but there's a few things that make me kind of hesitant, and I need to figure out if those things are Wolf!weird or Osie!weird.
He's someone I'll be spending a bit of time on this day phase. My health isn't fully up to par, but it's significantly improved over D1, so activity will jump a ton.
Maybe it would help if you shared those few things. What do you find weird? Can you explain the Townie stuff?
Still getting headaches?
I'll talk about Osie when I have time to sit down at computer and pull things up/look at team chat for things I mentioned for later reference.
The biggest feeling I get when I read Osie's posts, are an instinctual "Man, that's wolfy", followed by an half second pause as I process it, and who made the post, and then a "But I could totally see it coming from him as town".
He's a mislynch scum 100% need/want this game, and I'd like to deny it to them if I can solidly get there as town on him. Maybe I can't, and he'll die at some point, but it's my goal to make it difficult.
Heading out for food now, will pull stuff up tonight for specifics. Just more talking my general approach to Osie.
I do think he's never w/w with you, hence me arguing with RE a lot about that, but it's at least theoretically possible one of you is a wolf. My gut says it's v/v because that back and forth is really gross to make as w/v, but we'll see if that's where I end up.
If this sounds like a hedgey, indecisive mess, it's probably because it is
Titus, got any questions to ask me?
Also, you voted Ara due to the VC a few times. What in Day 1's VCs caused you to feel like you needed to move around?
Hadn't really read SC's big post at the time, just kinda skimmed over it. I'll pick at it a bit when I'm back from food.
Talk to me about the wagons yesterday, and what you think it means for the gamestate, how it flowed. Both in terms of the alignments of people who had more than 2 votes on them, and for the people who were on the wagons, basically just stream of consciousness at me about where your head is at, and what you gleaned from things.
I'll be waiting for those osie thoughts then.
The second line, seems to be saying to me that you're not really sure of whether anything of his is for certain. The next line suggests that it must be a very large Town gap if you think he may be mislynched this game, and you feel pretty certain that scum are after him (bolded). It also feels like you're aiming for a Town read, which doesn't seem impartial.
I already knew about the RE dispute: you've repeated that exact line about 3 times now.
I like to try and deny wolves those mislynches if I can get there on them being town. Sometimes I can't, and they gotta die. Of those times, sometimes they're a wolf, and occasionally they're just a villager I couldn't accurately read this game.
Heading out for real this time though, want to get there before they get too busy.
No... people (unless they are seriously scummy and I can only think of lurkers off the top of my head) don't tend to be auto mislynches. It's more to do with the behaviour they exhibit within the game and if that is scummy. Even naturally scummy people can become widely Townread sometimes (Wisp in Unforgiving, for instance). Then again, most of my scum games were either early on (First game on MAL and first game on MU) or had players I didn't know who were high tier (Yeti, Dels, General Handkerchief etc) so I may not have the most common view of the subject.
Well, anyway, I think it would be easier to comment when you can post in more detail. Namely I want you to point out the few things you think of as weird.