I was waiting to get some feedback from my team, so updated town reads to varying degrees: RE, empoof, osieorb, {trobairitz} {celestial}. Brackets aren't as strong and there are some discussion there.
A spicy osie read!
What's your reasoning? Reasoning for Celestial would be interesting as well.
I should preface that some of my team reads come from drunken gut thoughts at the end of a long Mafia playing night. I’m hoping this week to get some more in depth thoughts after some review.
I personally haven’t had a problem with osie’s Posting though nothing had jumped out to me too strongly either way. I know I have a bias there so I’m pretty heavily depending on my team there. There was some early team suspicion on osie for basically some of the same things had here, primarily due to the grape read/obsevation, but in more recent pages that dissolved, mostly because of a misinterpretation. The read has basically boiled down to reads like she’s trying to solve the game in an open and honest way. This is something I’m hoping to get some specifics on especially since she’s under some suspicion.
Osie I’m sorry if I’m misgendering you. You don’t have one listed in mafiauniverse, and a member of my team corrected me to use she, so if I’m now wrong it’s my teams fault!
SC is one I’ll need to go in deeper discussion with too in that our team disagrees. There is one mind that my model of her as a newer player is right, and that her overall tone, questioning nature and even the warnings about reading people in certain ways read like newer town scumhunting. The other mind agrees with my other concern, but also thinks that some of the posts that read scum indicative could be inexperienced indicative instead. The one mind that town reads her has her as the strongest townread.
Sorry yes, I was talking to you!!! It's not particularly relevant; like I said, I'd have been here if not for certain other things!!
Since we're talking, what are your current thoughts on Osieorb?
Keeping in mind the identities of my teammmates, I have a feeling I know what you want to ask, or something along the lines of it, anyway; um... not really sure how much I can say though? :/
I realized after that I got a notification that you replied.
Current thoughts on osieorb are that i want to wait awhile on making an osieorb thought. I have a partial team thought and will want more to help me there. I'm going to have a hard time with this read. I felt bad about replacing out of that game when I was one of the only ones/if not the only one that thought she was town. I know that's really super silly, but when I do something like that or mislynch someone for something stupid or that I regret, I have a tendency to look at them favorably next time. It's a weakness, I know.
So, I'll definitely need more time here. I haven't seen anything that jumps out at me as overtly scummy though.
The only solid read right now that I'm comfortable with though is a town read on RE. I have other leans, but nothing I'm sold on yet.
For what reasons do you think you misread Osieorb in the game that you mislynched them in? It's a fair thought to have, which I have occasionally after mislynching them... then often promptly forget and mislynch them again!!
Also, I'm sitting on a take which may or may not be hot (probably hot with wagons how they are now), meant to be released when certain conditions are met - just a general headsup!!!
No, I correctly read Osie as town in a game when everyone or almost everyone had her as scum. People were pretty abrasive in how they dealt with her that game iirc, like I want to say every single post she made was someone attacking how bad the post was. I replaced out, but afterwards I felt like crap because I was the only one who understood her mindset. I might not have been able to influence anything that game, but it's nice to have one person who has your back. I've just felt bad about that replace out ever since, and going from that game Osie is someone that people think is just generally scummy, which means I'm going to give her more room and feel out my read there.
Oh sorry, I think I misread your post at first! If she is naturally scummy, then that makes quite a bit of sense because I'm getting that sense from a lot of her posts so far, contrary to reads of my team...
How would you describe her mindset? What, if anything in particular, made you think that she was town?
That game was really easy for me because she pushed me as scum early in such a way that once I understood it was a really town push. Iirc she also pr told, or softclsimed, in a really town way.
I don’t have anything this game to give me that yet. In general, this game I’ve liked the way she’s interacted and engaged in the thread overall.
who was titus in unforgiving? She wasn't playing as herself.
Cookie Bakers. Technically it was a hydra of me a Shiro but Shiro had less than 10 posts. It's one of the only games I gave up as scum. I was a busted cult leader and all I was doing was having people lose by keeping going. Plys I had RL stuff come up mid game
Thank you. I probably don’t have any intention of metaing you in particular in that game thoigh I might meta celestial. She said you read her well, but after unforgiving she wasn’t sure she could do the same. I was interested in which way the misread went because that might inform her interactions with you and help to figure out her alignment.
Personally, my team hasn't given me much guidance: my reads on RE, Trob and Tammy (all Town) were agreed with pretty quickly whilst my osie suspicion was also reinforced by someone in my team.
Tammy:
Concerning my Ara thing I meant to put Voxx.
487:
How trusting are you of drunken gut reads?
osie is a guy.
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I think she misread me as town, which in that game was pretty fair. Most of my allies (who I did not know) were dead before I could interact with them so my play would have mirrored survivalistic town until the guy I recruited didn't realize I needed a bus on him to work (to be fair, we had no night chat).
Hey almost threw up at work and am heading home to rest up. Will be passively checking in more today but also watching movies and playing hearthstone.
I have #questions I’m getting ready to ask osie to get some business taken care of.
@Scarlet Rage/Titus
Am okay being possible partners with SC, they feel decent enough and I think I’m capable of projecting town if they end up being a woofer. I cared more about the SC read because it’s different and cared less about grape/Ara because I didn’t feel it was that outside consensus (also wasn’t really playing the game optimally around then) and didn’t really know myself why grape felt funny to me. If your reasons for scum reading SC were solid enough then maybe I have to rethink my direction, makes a difference. Will read your post in full when I’m home.
@Ara what’s scary about townreading me? Doesn’t seem like you were too worried about me during your catch up other than some passive #fear comments. You’ve basically called all my current posts good. Sup? Also legitimate question: do you think I should be wolfier from your POV?
I think she misread me as town, which in that game was pretty fair. Most of my allies (who I did not know) were dead before I could interact with them so my play would have mirrored survivalistic town until the guy I recruited didn't realize I needed a bus on him to work (to be fair, we had no night chat).
^ Accurate. I misread their entire team as Town. I misread the other team as Town.
Basically Unforgiving was bad.
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Osie doesn't seem like the Osie I'm used to seeing. This is possibly due to time constraints with other games and whatnot, but I feel like they're a good player and wouldn't let that bog them down for long. The early readslist was typical, but seemed flimsy this time, and the defensiveness from being in a pool of suspicion seems atypical as well.
Time constraints are exactly right. I was in 4 serious games and life has gotten busy. But now I'm in 3 serious games and it's my weekend. So we shall see. Working on a post.
I don't really get Tubba's reasoning for Townreading me: I haven't been as solvey as I would be normally but I'm getting there. @Tubba Fett is there anything you describe myself or RE as anything other than solvey?
Tubba's read on us is better than Marko's imo.
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I'm super exhausted cuz work. Will nap, etc, revisit read on Tammy.
@Ara Simply, I suspect Foopme. Osie is lean town just by a minuscule amount due to meta and slight tone. Otherwise, there's nothing specific in this game that suggests he's town to me. However, if Foopme is town, there may be validity in his vote on Osie and I was never too happy with my current read on Osie. With Grape/ScarletC, Grape is probably scum. Has nothing to do with Scarlet honestly (though she needs to reiterate the reasoning behind her townread of Grape, because I had no idea what she was referring to). The way he voted me though, it was as if he was using the truth to frame me, aka, my reads on Tubba and ScarletC. He also completely ignored my read on Foopme (possible alliance with Foopme). Fill in the blank with the final four low posters. Didn't care for Marko's catch up. With his read on Scarlet and me, I almost wanted to lock him as scum.
@Tammy
ScarletCelestial may be new based on time spent as a mafia player but not new in terms of number of games. I think dismissing her as a new player is incorrect. From what I've seen, newer players post significantly less and are more awkward when they actually present themselves in-thread. I'd rather read her based on the conclusions she derives when that happens.
P.S. I hate mentioning if the team had say in your reads. I instinctively doubt it's actually happening.
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Personally, my team hasn't given me much guidance: my reads on RE, Trob and Tammy (all Town) were agreed with pretty quickly whilst my osie suspicion was also reinforced by someone in my team.
Tammy:
Concerning my Ara thing I meant to put Voxx.
487:
How trusting are you of drunken gut reads?
osie is a guy.
I mean they're my team, so I trust their reads.
I know both members of my team quite well, and their reads don't surprise me. I've had quite solid drunken gut reads before, so I don't dismiss them. The caveat more applies to the speed the game was read after a long night of reading and talking about several games. I'm hoping for more depth so I can talk more about them with my team though.
It's the different point of view I liked, or rather than she didn't just dismiss my entrance as NAI. She went one step further by considering my experience as a factor.
And I definitely like her response to Vox's answer to her question regarding my entrance. I was fine with Vox' reply, but she brought up a point I didn't consider earlier.
^But this one did not?
What is actually different between the two answers? I felt like I was just giving a paraphrased version of my previous reason.
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@Tammy
ScarletCelestial may be new based on time spent as a mafia player but not new in terms of number of games. I think dismissing her as a new player is incorrect. From what I've seen, newer players post significantly less and are more awkward when they actually present themselves in-thread. I'd rather read her based on the conclusions she derives when that happens.
P.S. I hate mentioning if the team had say in your reads. I instinctively doubt it's actually happening.
I never said I was dismissing her as a new player. I did say I was developing a model of the type of player I think she might be based on her posts and her experience to try to gauge her alignment. A lot of games in a short amount of time doesn't make her not inexperienced. Experience takes time to actually develop.
Also you're conclusion that newer players post significantly less is just wrong. These things are personality based, not necessarily experience-based, and over the past few years there's been a crop of newcomers that are intense spammers. I myself posted quite a bit more 6-7 years ago than I do now. Awkwardness sure.
I mean that's fine, but we are playing team mafia after all so you're just going to have to deal with it. I would be talking more about team thoughts if it weren't for the restrictions we have on that in this event, but if you're not talking to your team and using them to help you with your reads, why are you playing team mafia?
~ Tubba Fett nitpicking but at least they admit that they're doing it which I find towny! I see his point of view at a glance I suppose but I also think it's pretty clear what Trob was going for, with the difference in statements!!
Why is him pointing out that he's being nitpicky townie?
As I keep saying you don't bug me Osie does. I haven't had much time to think in this game since I'm so invested in another game and I probably won't have the time until one of the other games I'm in ends. I have only had one good night of sleep in over a week it is a miracle I can even think of questions. I am getting to comment on every damn post starting from the beginning but I'm barely getting anywhere with it after 6 goddamn hours of doing it.
It feels like I'm being asked the same broken record of questions and my team does not Tammy's the rant was from a completely different player from a different game, if I had any sort of chat with Tammy I wouldn't be trying to sort them in the thread and I am not holding you to past games.
Rant over.
This could explain why I get the feeling that you're looking at posts to ask a question and not really coming to an understanding of the game.
You don't have to comment on every post or ask a question of every post. I get the impetus to, it's something I still struggle with from time to time. You can sort out what the most important things are and just focus on them. it helps save time and can help give you a better understanding of the game state.
Okay, time for some serious posting now that it's my weekend.
First off, here's a few responses to recent posts:
@Empoof: Can you explain your current thoughts on the game state a bit more?
@Celeste (#425): Trying to draw as much blood from a stone as I can early on usually helps me get an idea of people for later in the game. It also can provide a good jumping board if I find that one of my reads contrasts since I can go back and say "Oh, this element wasn't right for this specific reason." All in all, it's a mixed bag. On the one hand, I know that my reads early on are less likely to be as accurate, so I tend to make them less strong. But on the other hand, I'm more likely to catch something that I wouldn't otherwise by looking closely at people's posting even in the early game, which I find a lot of people don't do as seriously as I tend to do.
In regards to the other part of your post, I could still be conflating you and RE, but my general impression of both of you prior to this game was "This is someone who will start out with a scumread on me no matter what." And you moreso than RE. Maybe that's just bias from CoD, but I guess I'll try to scrub that thought away and just play the damn game some more.
@Celeste (#427): In regards to #3, I explained that my impression of Grape may have been overreached since I thought his posts were stronger willed than they really were. But I am still uncertain on you (especially since I agree with RE's very good point about your questions) and I think Grape himself is not showing his same townie self from other games I've seen him in.
@RE (#434): I don't like the dichotomy structure suggested here. How definite are these reads? Because these certainly aren't mechanical dichotomies. Where are you getting these? I want to believe this is innocent because I've liked most of your posts, but at the same time, behavioral dichotomies are not sound logic and focus on them tends to be scummy.
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I'm working on some train of thought notes and questions while rereading.
@Tammy, @RE: I'm trying to cement reads on Celeste and Empoof. Any input would be helpful. My reads have kinda broken down due to not being able to really sit down and look at things for a lengthy period of time before today. I don't like Ara or Grape right now. Tentative tiers would be something like:
Town:
Osie
Townie:
RE
Tammy
Neutral:
Marko
Titus
Unenthused:
Ara
Celeste
Troba
Voxxicus
Very unenthused:
Empoof
Grape
Tubba
I don't even know if unenthused necessarily means scummy 1-for-1 or if that's too much confidence in my gut.
@RE - Post #415: I like this post a lot, but I'm not sure how applicable it really is. I get angry as both alignments. I get sad as both alignments. I'm not a very positive person, but I tend to force positivity for the sake of those around me. And when people around me are happier, I get happier. It makes games where I'm lost and barely present or scumread as town even more extremely less enjoyable, though. I suppose sadness as town could be from trying to read everything and feeling frustrated that I'm missing things. But I was mostly angry in CoD for non-alignment-related reasons. In general, it's kinda depressing that out of my only two scumgames ever, one of them I was nearly winning by sheer force of will despite having to lie through my teeth to shore together that wreck of a scumteam. I'm very pensive about the game as either alignment, unless I get over-excited, and I think that might reflect more notably as sadness and sloppiness as town and pushy excitedness as scum. That said, if you check out the recently finished Resistance, I was both angry and sad as town there. I don't know. YMMV.
It's the different point of view I liked, or rather than she didn't just dismiss my entrance as NAI. She went one step further by considering my experience as a factor.
And I definitely like her response to Vox's answer to her question regarding my entrance. I was fine with Vox' reply, but she brought up a point I didn't consider earlier.
^But this one did not?
What is actually different between the two answers? I felt like I was just giving a paraphrased version of my previous reason.
I'm working on the encyclopedia Celestia right now and it's like EVERY thought I have on every post. (Already 3177 words and I've just completed page 3 of the game, it's already longer than the last one I created which Empoof may or may not remember)
I'm trying to hold out until then but here's some of the important stuff so far:
RE:
118 - Elaborating on what they said earlier about why they said they’d give meta suggests they were being very truthful about that.
129/130 - Excited because they think they just caught osie out: Townie. Scum RE I feel would be trying to sound more rational about it rather than excited.
Basically, I feel like this is Town RE based on tone, how they're questioning people, how much they're contributing and the above are a few of the posts I liked.
Titus:
100 - I think it depends on how it manifests itself later in the game. The enthusiasm would likely waver throughout the game. I don’t think Titus has thought through this fully.
123 - I don’t feel like Titus is looking for the motivation in Tammy’s posting here, nor are they trying to understand why they would say they liked osie’s post. The question I feel isn’t the most relevant thing they could’ve asked.
126 - Sounds like this is a question that would help Titus: very related to their life’s work. I’m giving it a good.
I've liked some of it (like 126) which I feel would help Titus later down the line, but there's some glaring issues in a few of the posts (100 and 123) and I think that outweighs it right now.
Tammy:
33 - Holding back on the light Townread shows insecurity in their actions. Good.
49 - Obvious question but a nice one. Also leads to me thinking they’re posting their stream of consciousness.
113 - Feels very light here, and I mean in a floaty ‘I’m having fun’ way. I think they may have gotten more out of osie’s ISO than I did.
115 - I think being able to admit that they’re OK at being scum is good: not trying to degrade it or amplify it to their benefit (even if accidental). Also lol iPad autocorrect.
Basically, seeing as everything points to Tammy not enjoying being scum and although their beginning is a bit too fluffy, it gets better and I feel like there's some alignment indicative stuff here quite early on.
Trobairitz:
4 - I like that they’re trying to get to solving quickly, especially since I’m an easy read for Sheep.
40 - I completely disagree with the ideology but I can see what sort of place it comes from. Whilst voting with a Townread would mean you’d never get pocketed, there’s points where Townies can just be very wrong. One game everybody thought this guy called Blakjak was Town and I tunneled him all Day 1. I was the one who got killed Night 1. Basically, I like to try and take a bit of both ideologies, I try not to vote with scumreads if I can help it, but I wouldn’t follow my Townreads just because either.
77 - Something that isn’t gut finally. I like how they’re trying to analyse my mindset in that, though trying to analyse page 1 isn’t always the greatest idea. Townreading me this much early on may suggest Town though: scum really need scumreads rather than Townreads. Their holding off on Empoof but liking him also contributes to this thought.
87 - Votes Marko but I can’t really understand the motivation behind it.
89 - Understands that being wrong =/= alignment. That’s a good thing depending on how they implement this belief in what they do.
Although there is a lot to suggest Town, there are some issues so their a Townlean, but not as high as Tammy or RE.
List:
Towiest: Sleepy Sleepy Scarlet
Townie: RE, Tammy
Slightly less Townie but Townie: Grape, Trob, maybe Empoof
Still haven't really looked at: Ara, Marko
Null to bad: maybe Empoof, Voxx, Tubba, osie, Titus
If you want me to just dump everything I have so far into spoilers tomorrow I will but I'd rather wait until I have 5 pages.
Concerning your question RE:
I feel like considering experience is coming from a mindset that is seriously trying to read us, while pointing out something different is enlightening but not necessarily AI. If you look at my May Light 2.0, I got a lot of new perspective from Fable and came to the conclusion that GG was scum. Fable got me to vote the Doctor in LYLO.
Basically, a different viewpoint may just mean that they're trying to be good to their buddy or cast doubt into your mind, and I learnt that the hard way. I think it just depends more on what the point is in tandem with other things.
Considering experience suggests that they want to try to attempt to use that in order to try and garner a better read on you, like trying to use meta is. To me, it's more inherently Townie.
As I keep saying you don't bug me Osie does. I haven't had much time to think in this game since I'm so invested in another game and I probably won't have the time until one of the other games I'm in ends. I have only had one good night of sleep in over a week it is a miracle I can even think of questions. I am getting to comment on every damn post starting from the beginning but I'm barely getting anywhere with it after 6 goddamn hours of doing it.
It feels like I'm being asked the same broken record of questions and my team does not Tammy's the rant was from a completely different player from a different game, if I had any sort of chat with Tammy I wouldn't be trying to sort them in the thread and I am not holding you to past games.
Rant over.
This could explain why I get the feeling that you're looking at posts to ask a question and not really coming to an understanding of the game.
You don't have to comment on every post or ask a question of every post. I get the impetus to, it's something I still struggle with from time to time. You can sort out what the most important things are and just focus on them. it helps save time and can help give you a better understanding of the game state.
Why does this feel like you are simultaneously coaching and defending SC rather than sorting her?
Nightkill or Nightvig? Because one of those has a very different implication on your alignment.
Ok, that's gotta be a site difference. I want SC to pick one to be hammer (hypothetically), one tokill in the night (hypothetically), and one to masonize (hypothetically)
Nightkill or Nightvig? Because one of those has a very different implication on your alignment.
Ok, that's gotta be a site difference. I want SC to pick one to be hammer (hypothetically), one tokill in the night (hypothetically), and one to masonize (hypothetically)
To kill in the night with Celeste as a hypothetical night vigilante or as a hypothetical scum member?
Nightkill or Nightvig? Because one of those has a very different implication on your alignment.
Ok, that's gotta be a site difference. I want SC to pick one to be hammer (hypothetically), one tokill in the night (hypothetically), and one to masonize (hypothetically)
To kill in the night with Celeste as a hypothetical night vigilante or as a hypothetical scum member?
Nightkill or Nightvig? Because one of those has a very different implication on your alignment.
Ok, that's gotta be a site difference. I want SC to pick one to be hammer (hypothetically), one tokill in the night (hypothetically), and one to masonize (hypothetically)
To kill in the night with Celeste as a hypothetical night vigilante or as a hypothetical scum member?
Well, the question is not at you.
I'm not answering the question though. That implication is a misrepresentation of my question towards you.
I'm asking a different one. Maybe I'm pulling away a town gambit here, but your wording is strange. Why say "nightkill" unless either you are scumslipping or you're trying to trap Celeste in a scumslip? Is it just site wording on MU/MScum/wherever to say nightkill as a more general term including vig shots? Is it that you are scum flat-out asking "Who should be killed tonight?" Or is it something completely different?
Nightkill or Nightvig? Because one of those has a very different implication on your alignment.
Ok, that's gotta be a site difference. I want SC to pick one to be hammer (hypothetically), one tokill in the night (hypothetically), and one to masonize (hypothetically)
To kill in the night with Celeste as a hypothetical night vigilante or as a hypothetical scum member?
Well, the question is not at you.
I'm not answering the question though. That implication is a misrepresentation of my question towards you.
I'm asking a different one. Maybe I'm pulling away a town gambit here, but your wording is strange. Why say "nightkill" unless either you are scumslipping or you're trying to trap Celeste in a scumslip? Is it just site wording on MU/MScum/wherever to say nightkill as a more general term including vig shots? Is it that you are scum flat-out asking "Who should be killed tonight?" Or is it something completely different?
Ok, that's gotta be a site difference. I want SC to pick one to be hammer (hypothetically), one tokill in the night (hypothetically), and one to masonize (hypothetically)
To kill in the night with Celeste as a hypothetical night vigilante or as a hypothetical scum member?
Well, the question is not at you.
I'm not answering the question though. That implication is a misrepresentation of my question towards you.
I'm asking a different one. Maybe I'm pulling away a town gambit here, but your wording is strange. Why say "nightkill" unless either you are scumslipping or you're trying to trap Celeste in a scumslip? Is it just site wording on MU/MScum/wherever to say nightkill as a more general term including vig shots? Is it that you are scum flat-out asking "Who should be killed tonight?" Or is it something completely different?
Just a generic term correct.
Why so stiff? You recoiled as if struck when I reiterated the question.
To kill in the night with Celeste as a hypothetical night vigilante or as a hypothetical scum member?
Well, the question is not at you.
I'm not answering the question though. That implication is a misrepresentation of my question towards you.
I'm asking a different one. Maybe I'm pulling away a town gambit here, but your wording is strange. Why say "nightkill" unless either you are scumslipping or you're trying to trap Celeste in a scumslip? Is it just site wording on MU/MScum/wherever to say nightkill as a more general term including vig shots? Is it that you are scum flat-out asking "Who should be killed tonight?" Or is it something completely different?
Just a generic term correct.
Why so stiff? You recoiled as if struck when I reiterated the question.
I don't like when people interfere with my scumhunting plus I had to back away for IRL
I'm not answering the question though. That implication is a misrepresentation of my question towards you.
I'm asking a different one. Maybe I'm pulling away a town gambit here, but your wording is strange. Why say "nightkill" unless either you are scumslipping or you're trying to trap Celeste in a scumslip? Is it just site wording on MU/MScum/wherever to say nightkill as a more general term including vig shots? Is it that you are scum flat-out asking "Who should be killed tonight?" Or is it something completely different?
Just a generic term correct.
Why so stiff? You recoiled as if struck when I reiterated the question.
I don't like when people interfere with my scumhunting plus I had to back away for IRL
I'm sorry if that was the case. It just caught my attention.
Tammy has good posts, but the fluff posts and some defensiveness has me wondering. Grape seems like good old townGrape, plugging away trying to solve.
Where did you see defensivess?
I'm a little confused by that because while I'll totally admit that I can be a bit defensive at time, I haven't felt defensive at all this game. Also scum at this site love to call me defensive, so you got my ears perking up there.
Can you talk a bit about grape there too? How is what he's doing his normal town self plugging along? The comment I have from my team is that he's usually more aimless and flows differently as town.
I don't really get Tubba's reasoning for Townreading me: I haven't been as solvey as I would be normally but I'm getting there. @Tubba Fett is there anything you describe myself or RE as anything other than solvey?
I like the way she questions this townread on herself here.
I mean that's fine, but we are playing team mafia after all so you're just going to have to deal with it. I would be talking more about team thoughts if it weren't for the restrictions we have on that in this event, but if you're not talking to your team and using them to help you with your reads, why are you playing team mafia?
I'm not sure how you came to this interpretation of my comment? I'm not saying you shouldn't discuss reads with your team. Only that when reads can be provided in-thread without mentioning the team discussion that may or may not have influenced them, it feels excessive, and thus fabricated
Probably something I'll just have to deal with and tune out.
And okay, fair enough
From my experience, I've not seen this imbalance of questions and content before from ScarletC, so I wouldn't have attributed it to being a new player. But town meta doesn't need to be exactly the same each game.
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I don't really get Tubba's reasoning for Townreading me: I haven't been as solvey as I would be normally but I'm getting there. @Tubba Fett is there anything you describe myself or RE as anything other than solvey?
I like the way she questions this townread on herself here.
I had the opposite reaction to that
@Osie @Scarlet Rage
I think you two are misunderstanding each other when reading each other's posts. It's actually really funny, sorry
@ScarletC
I'd love to see more reasoning for that Grape read.
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I mean that's fine, but we are playing team mafia after all so you're just going to have to deal with it. I would be talking more about team thoughts if it weren't for the restrictions we have on that in this event, but if you're not talking to your team and using them to help you with your reads, why are you playing team mafia?
I'm not sure how you came to this interpretation of my comment? I'm not saying you shouldn't discuss reads with your team. Only that when reads can be provided in-thread without mentioning the team discussion that may or may not have influenced them, it feels excessive, and thus fabricated
Probably something I'll just have to deal with and tune out.
And okay, fair enough
From my experience, I've not seen this imbalance of questions and content before from ScarletC, so I wouldn't have attributed it to being a new player. But town meta doesn't need to be exactly the same each game.
That's understandable. The only reason I'm playing mafia right now is because it's team mafia and the team I'm on. There's also team N1 NK and a couple others that were draws, but really it's just my team - that's it. I've been playing in hydras for so long now that I really don't know how else to talk about what's influencing my reads.
The thing with celetial is that she's reminding me quite a bit of myself in my first year of playing mafia in a couple ways. That doesn't make her town, but is an approach and mindset I recognize, if that makes sense.
I don't really get Tubba's reasoning for Townreading me: I haven't been as solvey as I would be normally but I'm getting there. @Tubba Fett is there anything you describe myself or RE as anything other than solvey?
I like the way she questions this townread on herself here.
Definitely nitpicky, but that was not my reaction. It's also a classic scum move to question town reads on themselves. Sure town can also question townreads on themselves... But the benefit in asking is a tenfold for scum.
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Definitely nitpicky, but that was not my reaction. It's also a classic scum move to question town reads on themselves. Sure town can also question townreads on themselves... But the benefit in asking is a tenfold for scum.
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@Tammy, @RE: I'm trying to cement reads on Celeste and Empoof. Any input would be helpful. My reads have kinda broken down due to not being able to really sit down and look at things for a lengthy period of time before today. I don't like Ara or Grape right now. Tentative tiers would be something like:
I'm still sorting Celestial, so I don't really have much to comment on here. If I find some time this week, I might take a look at a game or two to get a general sense of personality.
I have empoof as town. Nothing really solid here except just liking empoof's posts. Hoping if I'm wrong that this will be sorted in the trio of empoof, markoraj and ara.
I have no opinion on ara. I was musing the other day if it was possible to read ara through exclamation point usage. I realize this doesn't really mean anything because in order for this to be a thing, I'd have to really understand Ara, but I came to a theory a couple years ago in how to read Lute through her ellipses, but then she dropped that gimmick. But there was one post I think where the exclamation point seemed to break up a thought and I wondered if that was telling. This is totally an aside and I'm not actually going to read her through exclamation point usage, just something I was pondering because really not much thoughts there. I'm hoping to get a better feel here when she's caught up and I see more interaction between her and empoof for that one too, but yeah I need to iso here.
I don't like Grape's case and push on RE, and not just because I think RE is town. It just didn't feel right. I got a bit of a concern that maybe there was a partnership with Trob in the beginning because he got after her for nervousness and the explanation on me towntelling, but dialed it back for maybe stylistic concerns, but then a couple pages later got concerned about it again. Why this pinged me was because this feels like some possible early distancing, but then trob started posting again and I liked her posting. I've kept this as a mental note though because something didn't really feel all that right with that early interaction. Have you ever played with grapefruit before?
@RE (#434): I don't like the dichotomy structure suggested here. How definite are these reads? Because these certainly aren't mechanical dichotomies. Where are you getting these? I want to believe this is innocent because I've liked most of your posts, but at the same time, behavioral dichotomies are not sound logic and focus on them tends to be scummy.
@Ara Simply, I suspect Foopme. Osie is lean town just by a minuscule amount due to meta and slight tone. Otherwise, there's nothing specific in this game that suggests he's town to me. However, if Foopme is town, there may be validity in his vote on Osie and I was never too happy with my current read on Osie. With Grape/ScarletC, Grape is probably scum. Has nothing to do with Scarlet honestly (though she needs to reiterate the reasoning behind her townread of Grape, because I had no idea what she was referring to). The way he voted me though, it was as if he was using the truth to frame me, aka, my reads on Tubba and ScarletC. He also completely ignored my read on Foopme (possible alliance with Foopme). Fill in the blank with the final four low posters. Didn't care for Marko's catch up. With his read on Scarlet and me, I almost wanted to lock him as scum.
It's very fluid. Very pre-flip. But Grape felt fairly spew-y.
I also withdraw the Marko read somewhat, his comments weren't as bad as I remembered.
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Definitely nitpicky, but that was not my reaction. It's also a classic scum move to question town reads on themselves. Sure town can also question townreads on themselves... But the benefit in asking is a tenfold for scum.
What wasn't your reaction?
Sure scum can do it, which is why I said I liked the way she did it. The way she did it felt natural.
And scum/town questioning townreads on themselves is often player/personality/confidence-level dependent. Is she the type of scum to question a town read on herself?
As I keep saying you don't bug me Osie does. I haven't had much time to think in this game since I'm so invested in another game and I probably won't have the time until one of the other games I'm in ends. I have only had one good night of sleep in over a week it is a miracle I can even think of questions. I am getting to comment on every damn post starting from the beginning but I'm barely getting anywhere with it after 6 goddamn hours of doing it.
It feels like I'm being asked the same broken record of questions and my team does not Tammy's the rant was from a completely different player from a different game, if I had any sort of chat with Tammy I wouldn't be trying to sort them in the thread and I am not holding you to past games.
Rant over.
This could explain why I get the feeling that you're looking at posts to ask a question and not really coming to an understanding of the game.
You don't have to comment on every post or ask a question of every post. I get the impetus to, it's something I still struggle with from time to time. You can sort out what the most important things are and just focus on them. it helps save time and can help give you a better understanding of the game state.
Why does this feel like you are simultaneously coaching and defending SC rather than sorting her?
Because you are reading it wrong.
That post might explain one of the concerns I've had on SC.
Piece of friendly and selfish advice. She doesn't need to comment on every post or question every post, doing so is keeping her behind, and I'd like for her to get caught up so I can solidify my read there.
Sure scum can do it, which is why I said I liked the way she did it. The way she did it felt natural.
And scum/town questioning townreads on themselves is often player/personality/confidence-level dependent. Is she the type of scum to question a town read on herself?
I'm going to say yes, but mostly because I don't think it takes much confidence to ask anyway (and Scarlet has activity to back it up). The reward is those questions are more often than not townread and the answer provided will most likely only reinforce the townread the other player has on them. I'm not confident scum and that's a question I've definitely asked in one of my scum games.
My reaction wouldn't have been to question that specific read among the other reads Tubba had.
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Sure scum can do it, which is why I said I liked the way she did it. The way she did it felt natural.
And scum/town questioning townreads on themselves is often player/personality/confidence-level dependent. Is she the type of scum to question a town read on herself?
I'm going to say yes, but mostly because I don't think it takes much confidence to ask anyway (and Scarlet has activity to back it up). The reward is those questions are more often than not townread and the answer provided will most likely only reinforce the townread the other player has on them. I'm not confident scum and that's a question I've definitely asked in one of my scum games.
My reaction wouldn't have been to question that specific read among the other reads Tubba had.
Sure scum can do it, which is why I said I liked the way she did it. The way she did it felt natural.
And scum/town questioning townreads on themselves is often player/personality/confidence-level dependent. Is she the type of scum to question a town read on herself?
I'm going to say yes, but mostly because I don't think it takes much confidence to ask anyway (and Scarlet has activity to back it up). The reward is those questions are more often than not townread and the answer provided will most likely only reinforce the townread the other player has on them. I'm not confident scum and that's a question I've definitely asked in one of my scum games.
My reaction wouldn't have been to question that specific read among the other reads Tubba had.
What reaction to tubas reads did you have, and did you ask them?
I’m not wholly ignorant of what scum do and why. Scum can and have done most everything people also town read people for. In fact I run the possibilities of things being scum posting.
In that particular post I gut read it liking it, ran through three possibilities of why she would be doing it as scum, settled on my first gut reaction.
And fair enough, you’ve done it, other people’ve done it, maybe she would or did. I liked it.
I don't like Grape's case and push on RE, and not just because I think RE is town. It just didn't feel right. I got a bit of a concern that maybe there was a partnership with Trob in the beginning because he got after her for nervousness and the explanation on me towntelling, but dialed it back for maybe stylistic concerns, but then a couple pages later got concerned about it again. Why this pinged me was because this feels like some possible early distancing, but then trob started posting again and I liked her posting. I've kept this as a mental note though because something didn't really feel all that right with that early interaction. Have you ever played with grapefruit before?
A bunch. When he's motivated, his town games are excellent and he's one of the best solvers out there. His scum games are only caught through subtle mismatches. When he's unmotivated, it's much harder to tell. Given that the latter seems to be the case, I'm starting to lean towards giving him most of another day phase to get his ***** together or slip up, but I am not entirely convinced, hence still voting him.
His push on RE is a very bad look. Maybe he can get his head screwed on straight. (Or maybe he legitimately sees something I don't see.)
What reaction to tubas reads did you have, and did you ask them?
I thought his reads were clean and reasonable. I disagreed with the placement of Scarlet, but I could see why he'd think she was solvey (lots of questions). With Grape, I guess I would have liked to see more to it than meta, but he already expressed difficulty in reading him. And I know from experience that Grape's scum game is near identical to his town and what sold him out was his activity levels (and perhaps a bit of TMI).
I mean, yeah, I should ask him questions. But they'd feel a bit pointless because what I'd really be asking was for him to be more active.
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Well I'm apparently going to the doctor tomorrow instead of work
Apologies for not playing today, mostly just randomly passed out and puked up food and water I was trying to eat.
@RE
I still don't really understand how osie/me has one wolf or the true reasoning why you listed the 1 wolf in x/y/z thing even after reading your explanation but I'm also not really myself. Usually when those dichotomies are built there's more substancial reasonings behind it? Like you just list that if I was town there's more merit to my osie vote so he's worse but I don't really follow how that makes sense since my vote was pretty empty at the time. Is this just based on how you feel about the rest of the game or something? It was the first one listed so I don't get it.
@Osie
My slot felt uncomfortable with your stable "readlists way too early" post based on basically most of the way you gave your reads. You talk about always reading tubba scum and then read him scum for what looks like reasons you would always read him scum. Your town reads were mostly based on playstyle and even admitted as much. The Voxx paranoia doesn't really... feel right? As someone that has a lot of voxx paranoia himself it felt forced. There's also the read on me which is a kind of blind spot to me rn but you called me slightly null/negative yet my reads were good when my reads were like mostly gut, so I'm guessing it was just literally me saying "I like X"?
I wanted to form more questions towards this and really poke you about it. But I'm a little too fried right now. Really curious what put me at the lower end of your list now. Also as a personal thing I'm sorry that being scum read lowers your overall enjoyment but that's also like... part of the game. Especially if you consider your town and scum game somewhat similar I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say in that position. I see you were more active today but I didn't really like your focus with Titus, it felt just weird to me and I mostly skimmed the other posts.
Sort of V/LA for a couple days -- I might come post and stuff still but I'm pretty ****ed and should rest.
Kind of unlucky considering my slot is like... probably the most contentious slot in the game, with the most tug and pull.
Just incase I end up not posting for a while I'm pretty sure ara is town but there's some small things that feel like she's trying to pocket me. I don't really understand how me referring to another town game as being townier than I thought is a townie thought, there's something about the way she's putting in the town read on me that feels forced? I guess. Like she was talking about how that one post was a really townie post and then she saw it was me, but in the same post she has a multiquote of my post in it that wasn't talked about that is a fairly classic town!poof post. So like, idk. I'm probably getting more hung up about these things than I should, and I think if ara and I were like actually real time instead of being starcrossed lovers it would probably be super solid. I also think I might be trying to hard to "make sure I'm right" with her in a different setting than I'm used to.
Marko dunno he's like kinda townie but it's nothing he can't fake. His posts are really boring (sorry).
Readslist is the same @Osie as it was before when you asked how I felt about the game. Sometimes I twitch and have some OMGUS for RE but it's pretty easy for me to see townieness in his thought process outside of that. Plus he has to take me deep if he's scum and I'll dunk on him then.
My slot felt uncomfortable with your stable "readlists way too early" post based on basically most of the way you gave your reads. You talk about always reading tubba scum and then read him scum for what looks like reasons you would always read him scum. Your town reads were mostly based on playstyle and even admitted as much. The Voxx paranoia doesn't really... feel right? As someone that has a lot of voxx paranoia himself it felt forced. There's also the read on me which is a kind of blind spot to me rn but you called me slightly null/negative yet my reads were good when my reads were like mostly gut, so I'm guessing it was just literally me saying "I like X"?
I wanted to form more questions towards this and really poke you about it. But I'm a little too fried right now. Really curious what put me at the lower end of your list now. Also as a personal thing I'm sorry that being scum read lowers your overall enjoyment but that's also like... part of the game. Especially if you consider your town and scum game somewhat similar I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say in that position. I see you were more active today but I didn't really like your focus with Titus, it felt just weird to me and I mostly skimmed the other posts.
I don't like how you said "My slot" here. That sounds like you just replaced yourself, which is strange.
Nah, I usually read Tubba as scum more from an opportunism and bizarre reads perspective rather than a defensiveness and grandstanding perspective. He looks very different in this game from what I remember of him. Less natural. That could just be the gimmick, but I'm not sure.
I should preface that some of my team reads come from drunken gut thoughts at the end of a long Mafia playing night. I’m hoping this week to get some more in depth thoughts after some review.
I personally haven’t had a problem with osie’s Posting though nothing had jumped out to me too strongly either way. I know I have a bias there so I’m pretty heavily depending on my team there. There was some early team suspicion on osie for basically some of the same things had here, primarily due to the grape read/obsevation, but in more recent pages that dissolved, mostly because of a misinterpretation. The read has basically boiled down to reads like she’s trying to solve the game in an open and honest way. This is something I’m hoping to get some specifics on especially since she’s under some suspicion.
Osie I’m sorry if I’m misgendering you. You don’t have one listed in mafiauniverse, and a member of my team corrected me to use she, so if I’m now wrong it’s my teams fault!
SC is one I’ll need to go in deeper discussion with too in that our team disagrees. There is one mind that my model of her as a newer player is right, and that her overall tone, questioning nature and even the warnings about reading people in certain ways read like newer town scumhunting. The other mind agrees with my other concern, but also thinks that some of the posts that read scum indicative could be inexperienced indicative instead. The one mind that town reads her has her as the strongest townread.
Each bracket represents lack of team agreement.
That game was really easy for me because she pushed me as scum early in such a way that once I understood it was a really town push. Iirc she also pr told, or softclsimed, in a really town way.
I don’t have anything this game to give me that yet. In general, this game I’ve liked the way she’s interacted and engaged in the thread overall.
Thank you. I probably don’t have any intention of metaing you in particular in that game thoigh I might meta celestial. She said you read her well, but after unforgiving she wasn’t sure she could do the same. I was interested in which way the misread went because that might inform her interactions with you and help to figure out her alignment.
Tammy:
Concerning my Ara thing I meant to put Voxx.
487:
How trusting are you of drunken gut reads?
osie is a guy.
I have #questions I’m getting ready to ask osie to get some business taken care of.
@Scarlet Rage/Titus
Am okay being possible partners with SC, they feel decent enough and I think I’m capable of projecting town if they end up being a woofer. I cared more about the SC read because it’s different and cared less about grape/Ara because I didn’t feel it was that outside consensus (also wasn’t really playing the game optimally around then) and didn’t really know myself why grape felt funny to me. If your reasons for scum reading SC were solid enough then maybe I have to rethink my direction, makes a difference. Will read your post in full when I’m home.
@Ara what’s scary about townreading me? Doesn’t seem like you were too worried about me during your catch up other than some passive #fear comments. You’ve basically called all my current posts good. Sup? Also legitimate question: do you think I should be wolfier from your POV?
^ Accurate. I misread their entire team as Town. I misread the other team as Town.
Basically Unforgiving was bad.
Time constraints are exactly right. I was in 4 serious games and life has gotten busy. But now I'm in 3 serious games and it's my weekend. So we shall see. Working on a post.
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I'm super exhausted cuz work. Will nap, etc, revisit read on Tammy.
@Ara Simply, I suspect Foopme. Osie is lean town just by a minuscule amount due to meta and slight tone. Otherwise, there's nothing specific in this game that suggests he's town to me. However, if Foopme is town, there may be validity in his vote on Osie and I was never too happy with my current read on Osie. With Grape/ScarletC, Grape is probably scum. Has nothing to do with Scarlet honestly (though she needs to reiterate the reasoning behind her townread of Grape, because I had no idea what she was referring to). The way he voted me though, it was as if he was using the truth to frame me, aka, my reads on Tubba and ScarletC. He also completely ignored my read on Foopme (possible alliance with Foopme). Fill in the blank with the final four low posters. Didn't care for Marko's catch up. With his read on Scarlet and me, I almost wanted to lock him as scum.
@Tammy
ScarletCelestial may be new based on time spent as a mafia player but not new in terms of number of games. I think dismissing her as a new player is incorrect. From what I've seen, newer players post significantly less and are more awkward when they actually present themselves in-thread. I'd rather read her based on the conclusions she derives when that happens.
P.S. I hate mentioning if the team had say in your reads. I instinctively doubt it's actually happening.
I mean they're my team, so I trust their reads.
I know both members of my team quite well, and their reads don't surprise me. I've had quite solid drunken gut reads before, so I don't dismiss them. The caveat more applies to the speed the game was read after a long night of reading and talking about several games. I'm hoping for more depth so I can talk more about them with my team though.
@ScarletC
What are your current reads + reasoning? On everyone.
I also don't think you answered this question of mine:
I never said I was dismissing her as a new player. I did say I was developing a model of the type of player I think she might be based on her posts and her experience to try to gauge her alignment. A lot of games in a short amount of time doesn't make her not inexperienced. Experience takes time to actually develop.
Also you're conclusion that newer players post significantly less is just wrong. These things are personality based, not necessarily experience-based, and over the past few years there's been a crop of newcomers that are intense spammers. I myself posted quite a bit more 6-7 years ago than I do now. Awkwardness sure.
I mean that's fine, but we are playing team mafia after all so you're just going to have to deal with it. I would be talking more about team thoughts if it weren't for the restrictions we have on that in this event, but if you're not talking to your team and using them to help you with your reads, why are you playing team mafia?
Why is him pointing out that he's being nitpicky townie?
This could explain why I get the feeling that you're looking at posts to ask a question and not really coming to an understanding of the game.
You don't have to comment on every post or ask a question of every post. I get the impetus to, it's something I still struggle with from time to time. You can sort out what the most important things are and just focus on them. it helps save time and can help give you a better understanding of the game state.
First off, here's a few responses to recent posts:
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I'm working on some train of thought notes and questions while rereading.
@Tammy, @RE: I'm trying to cement reads on Celeste and Empoof. Any input would be helpful. My reads have kinda broken down due to not being able to really sit down and look at things for a lengthy period of time before today. I don't like Ara or Grape right now. Tentative tiers would be something like:
I don't even know if unenthused necessarily means scummy 1-for-1 or if that's too much confidence in my gut.
Okcool. You are scum?
Let's play
Lynch Nightkill Mason
Empoof Vox Osie
Why does this feel like you are simultaneously coaching and defending SC rather than sorting her?
Nightkill or Nightvig? Because one of those has a very different implication on your alignment.
Ok, that's gotta be a site difference. I want SC to pick one to be hammer (hypothetically), one tokill in the night (hypothetically), and one to masonize (hypothetically)
To kill in the night with Celeste as a hypothetical night vigilante or as a hypothetical scum member?
Well, the question is not at you.
I'm not answering the question though. That implication is a misrepresentation of my question towards you.
I'm asking a different one. Maybe I'm pulling away a town gambit here, but your wording is strange. Why say "nightkill" unless either you are scumslipping or you're trying to trap Celeste in a scumslip? Is it just site wording on MU/MScum/wherever to say nightkill as a more general term including vig shots? Is it that you are scum flat-out asking "Who should be killed tonight?" Or is it something completely different?
Just a generic term correct.
Why so stiff? You recoiled as if struck when I reiterated the question.
I don't like when people interfere with my scumhunting plus I had to back away for IRL
I'm sorry if that was the case. It just caught my attention.
I don't think I ruined your question at least how I interpreted it.
On a separate note, I was accurately labeled as a switch by the BDSM test.
Where did you see defensivess?
I'm a little confused by that because while I'll totally admit that I can be a bit defensive at time, I haven't felt defensive at all this game. Also scum at this site love to call me defensive, so you got my ears perking up there.
Can you talk a bit about grape there too? How is what he's doing his normal town self plugging along? The comment I have from my team is that he's usually more aimless and flows differently as town.
I like the way she questions this townread on herself here.
Probably something I'll just have to deal with and tune out.
And okay, fair enough
From my experience, I've not seen this imbalance of questions and content before from ScarletC, so I wouldn't have attributed it to being a new player. But town meta doesn't need to be exactly the same each game.
I don't think you answered me before, if you did sorry I missed it.
You've said that you believe she can read you. She's been calling you scum, what are your thoughts on that?
I had the opposite reaction to that
@Osie @Scarlet Rage
I think you two are misunderstanding each other when reading each other's posts. It's actually really funny, sorry
@ScarletC
I'd love to see more reasoning for that Grape read.
That's understandable. The only reason I'm playing mafia right now is because it's team mafia and the team I'm on. There's also team N1 NK and a couple others that were draws, but really it's just my team - that's it. I've been playing in hydras for so long now that I really don't know how else to talk about what's influencing my reads.
The thing with celetial is that she's reminding me quite a bit of myself in my first year of playing mafia in a couple ways. That doesn't make her town, but is an approach and mindset I recognize, if that makes sense.
What didn't you like about it?
Delete that double post please ;_____;
I'm still sorting Celestial, so I don't really have much to comment on here. If I find some time this week, I might take a look at a game or two to get a general sense of personality.
I have empoof as town. Nothing really solid here except just liking empoof's posts. Hoping if I'm wrong that this will be sorted in the trio of empoof, markoraj and ara.
I have no opinion on ara. I was musing the other day if it was possible to read ara through exclamation point usage. I realize this doesn't really mean anything because in order for this to be a thing, I'd have to really understand Ara, but I came to a theory a couple years ago in how to read Lute through her ellipses, but then she dropped that gimmick. But there was one post I think where the exclamation point seemed to break up a thought and I wondered if that was telling. This is totally an aside and I'm not actually going to read her through exclamation point usage, just something I was pondering because really not much thoughts there. I'm hoping to get a better feel here when she's caught up and I see more interaction between her and empoof for that one too, but yeah I need to iso here.
I don't like Grape's case and push on RE, and not just because I think RE is town. It just didn't feel right. I got a bit of a concern that maybe there was a partnership with Trob in the beginning because he got after her for nervousness and the explanation on me towntelling, but dialed it back for maybe stylistic concerns, but then a couple pages later got concerned about it again. Why this pinged me was because this feels like some possible early distancing, but then trob started posting again and I liked her posting. I've kept this as a mental note though because something didn't really feel all that right with that early interaction. Have you ever played with grapefruit before?
It's very fluid. Very pre-flip. But Grape felt fairly spew-y.
I also withdraw the Marko read somewhat, his comments weren't as bad as I remembered.
What wasn't your reaction?
Sure scum can do it, which is why I said I liked the way she did it. The way she did it felt natural.
And scum/town questioning townreads on themselves is often player/personality/confidence-level dependent. Is she the type of scum to question a town read on herself?
Because you are reading it wrong.
That post might explain one of the concerns I've had on SC.
Piece of friendly and selfish advice. She doesn't need to comment on every post or question every post, doing so is keeping her behind, and I'd like for her to get caught up so I can solidify my read there.
My reaction wouldn't have been to question that specific read among the other reads Tubba had.
What reaction to tubas reads did you have, and did you ask them?
I’m not wholly ignorant of what scum do and why. Scum can and have done most everything people also town read people for. In fact I run the possibilities of things being scum posting.
In that particular post I gut read it liking it, ran through three possibilities of why she would be doing it as scum, settled on my first gut reaction.
And fair enough, you’ve done it, other people’ve done it, maybe she would or did. I liked it.
A bunch. When he's motivated, his town games are excellent and he's one of the best solvers out there. His scum games are only caught through subtle mismatches. When he's unmotivated, it's much harder to tell. Given that the latter seems to be the case, I'm starting to lean towards giving him most of another day phase to get his ***** together or slip up, but I am not entirely convinced, hence still voting him.
His push on RE is a very bad look. Maybe he can get his head screwed on straight. (Or maybe he legitimately sees something I don't see.)
For the moment, he's still a solid scumread.
I mean, yeah, I should ask him questions. But they'd feel a bit pointless because what I'd really be asking was for him to be more active.
Apologies for not playing today, mostly just randomly passed out and puked up food and water I was trying to eat.
@RE
I still don't really understand how osie/me has one wolf or the true reasoning why you listed the 1 wolf in x/y/z thing even after reading your explanation but I'm also not really myself. Usually when those dichotomies are built there's more substancial reasonings behind it? Like you just list that if I was town there's more merit to my osie vote so he's worse but I don't really follow how that makes sense since my vote was pretty empty at the time. Is this just based on how you feel about the rest of the game or something? It was the first one listed so I don't get it.
@Osie
My slot felt uncomfortable with your stable "readlists way too early" post based on basically most of the way you gave your reads. You talk about always reading tubba scum and then read him scum for what looks like reasons you would always read him scum. Your town reads were mostly based on playstyle and even admitted as much. The Voxx paranoia doesn't really... feel right? As someone that has a lot of voxx paranoia himself it felt forced. There's also the read on me which is a kind of blind spot to me rn but you called me slightly null/negative yet my reads were good when my reads were like mostly gut, so I'm guessing it was just literally me saying "I like X"?
I wanted to form more questions towards this and really poke you about it. But I'm a little too fried right now. Really curious what put me at the lower end of your list now. Also as a personal thing I'm sorry that being scum read lowers your overall enjoyment but that's also like... part of the game. Especially if you consider your town and scum game somewhat similar I'm not sure what I'm supposed to say in that position. I see you were more active today but I didn't really like your focus with Titus, it felt just weird to me and I mostly skimmed the other posts.
Sort of V/LA for a couple days -- I might come post and stuff still but I'm pretty ****ed and should rest.
Kind of unlucky considering my slot is like... probably the most contentious slot in the game, with the most tug and pull.
Just incase I end up not posting for a while I'm pretty sure ara is town but there's some small things that feel like she's trying to pocket me. I don't really understand how me referring to another town game as being townier than I thought is a townie thought, there's something about the way she's putting in the town read on me that feels forced? I guess. Like she was talking about how that one post was a really townie post and then she saw it was me, but in the same post she has a multiquote of my post in it that wasn't talked about that is a fairly classic town!poof post. So like, idk. I'm probably getting more hung up about these things than I should, and I think if ara and I were like actually real time instead of being starcrossed lovers it would probably be super solid. I also think I might be trying to hard to "make sure I'm right" with her in a different setting than I'm used to.
Marko dunno he's like kinda townie but it's nothing he can't fake. His posts are really boring (sorry).
Readslist is the same @Osie as it was before when you asked how I felt about the game. Sometimes I twitch and have some OMGUS for RE but it's pretty easy for me to see townieness in his thought process outside of that. Plus he has to take me deep if he's scum and I'll dunk on him then.
I don't like how you said "My slot" here. That sounds like you just replaced yourself, which is strange.
Nah, I usually read Tubba as scum more from an opportunism and bizarre reads perspective rather than a defensiveness and grandstanding perspective. He looks very different in this game from what I remember of him. Less natural. That could just be the gimmick, but I'm not sure.