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I won't be around for 6-7 hours, but I'd like someone to lay out the Grape case for me. I always like Grape and I think he's been in every game I've played so far and I'm worried that it's affecting my ability to read him.
Also, RE1031, you've answered a question addressed to another player twice now by my count, once for a player that is locktown, once for a player that I'm suspicious of. That makes it seem like it should probably be NAI, but it still bothers me a bit. I understand your stance regarding certain kinds of questions, but wouldn't it be better for solving if you let the addressed player respond first?
I'm of several minds on SC. I do agree with Trob that that early post where she says "now that I've made myself out to be a good NK" sounded pretty good.
I'm just going to say, in a previous game where SC was serial killer, she was on the train that lynched mafia day 1. During the night phase (there was night talk), she said something along the lines of, "Can't wait to be night killed." Besides being pretty townie day 1, I did think that made her even more townie. (She ended up killing me night 1 for whatever reason, my reads were horrible that game).
While there is a difference in playing as third party and being mafia, I think she's capable of saying something along those lines as scum.
Ara's read on Vox bothers me just a little.
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Also, RE1031, you've answered a question addressed to another player twice now by my count, once for a player that is locktown, once for a player that I'm suspicious of. That makes it seem like it should probably be NAI, but it still bothers me a bit. I understand your stance regarding certain kinds of questions, but wouldn't it be better for solving if you let the addressed player respond first?
Sorry, I'm not sure which question you're referring to besides the one Scarlet asked.
If you understand my stance regarding those kinds of questions, why are you asking me a question that falls into that category?
That's really how much it rubs me the wrong way. It was a critique of a style I sometimes play by, so I felt the need to defend it. The way the question was phrased seemed like shade, associating difference in style with scumminess.
Scarlet Rage is sussing a Grape/ScarletC/Marko team, Foopme previously expressed suspicion of Grape without explaining why, Osie disliked Grape's case on and so did I. It heavily relied on a false narrative.
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Like, my read on you (Tubba) was definitely grasping at straws. With Foopme, my only evidence really was that his game here vaguely resembled how he played in a game on MU (Celebrity Jeopardy), where he threw random reads throughout the day and somehow endgamed as mafia. I pushed him because I didn't want the same thing to happen, where unexplained reads are left alone.
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While I protect my partners as scum,why did you bring up this speculative posting now and not when it happened? I also feel like you're trying to provide defenses for Scarlet prematurely. Does your team have reads atm?
While I protect my partners as scum,why did you bring up this speculative posting now and not when it happened? I also feel like you're trying to provide defenses for Scarlet prematurely. Does your team have reads atm?
Posting what I'm looking for in the middle without seeing how it plays out is useless. I'm not interested in telling the thread how something should play out, I'm interested in how it plays out organically. Because of how it did play out, it wasn't worth holding on to anymore.
I'm suspicious of Celestial and trying to work out my read there, but okay!
The only read I'm sharing from my team right now is RE town.
@Osie
By any chance, when you were talking about Scarlet suspecting you every game you're in, did you mean me? Because if you've only rolled scum twice, I'm thinking the game (on discord, no?) where you converted "Scarlet" was actually the one where you converted me...
And I don't really suspect you every game, I just happened to be very right when you rolled scum ^^
i like the grape wagon's composition but im not really hot on it as a push. like i really felt like some of the ways he's talked about me (above and previous post for example) are bizarre but nothing out of the realm for town to feel. i especially feel like there's only one scum in grape/osie since i think the way osie is interacting with them is way too inconsistent to be from a partner (namely plus oneing them on me and then turning against them).
titus/empoof/RE, do you guys feel like I'm in the wrong in thinking that how he's adjusting the strength of his read on me is not really town indicative? if i need to be more specific i'll try
I have Grape as a wolf because it does not feel like he's actually read what I've posted yet he's pushing me strongly. I do have some paranoia that him saying something along the lines of "you're not really scumreading ScarletC if you're not voting her" is TWTBAW and it's coming from town in a death tunnel, but just because town can be unreasonable doesn't mean scum won't either.
I haven't examined how Osie is reading you closely yet, but from what I remember, I didn't like him calling you out for posting style (but I think he may have acknowledged the flaw in that already).
I've found this to be the case with both of you (and a lot of people who first played with me on MAL). The game I recruited you, Scarlet was my next choice originally iirc to remove two people who seemed to scumread me all the time regardless of what I might say or do. But maybe y'all's reads of me have gotten more nuanced since then...
Also, to add to my last post although I think osie's explanation for what my behaviour likely is is good, I'm still mildly disconcerted with how they can comment on something that doesn't exist and I want to know how that got misconstrued.
I just overestimated what he was saying as more emphatic of a concern than it was.
Butter new to me other cooking on it. Dunno why I haven’t done that yet
Butter's mostly for cooking on, but it certainly mixes in once it's a bit melted.
Please tell me you gave me a slight town read for the food conversation? I have been read by food preference type stuff in like three years.
the underlined just feels like a ballsy thing for someone who doesnt really like to be scum to write i guess, writing that out it feels more like a post-hoc justification but i've always just vibed with it since first seeing it. it just feels town
Osie - you said this feels fence-sitty. how so?
It felt like a "I'm somewhat reading this as town for now" sort of post. But I am thinking that I need to reread Troba since some of my impressions seem to have been wrong.
I feel like Osie's entrance was built to throw shade and doesn't feel solvey in the way I'm used to seeing. They also seemed a little too rattled by being lumped in as low posting possible scum.
In regards to the entrance, I did feel that I had less to work with than usual and I was kinda grasping at straws. In regards to being rattled, I was a little thrown by it, but that's more that I am in fact juggling way too many things at once. But now that this game has gotten started, should be more business as usual, especially since one of my other games is ending soon.
Wouldn't it have been better just to comment on what you could comment on rather than 'grasp at straws'?
Nah, I needed a baseline to work off of for what I thought of them, otherwise I have to reread a lot more every time I make a read, which I can't afford to do as much of at the moment IRL.
I've found this to be the case with both of you (and a lot of people who first played with me on MAL). The game I recruited you, Scarlet was my next choice originally iirc to remove two people who seemed to scumread me all the time regardless of what I might say or do. But maybe y'all's reads of me have gotten more nuanced since then...
I've never played live with Scarlet before. I'm fairly certain she wasn't in that game. Actually, I'm 100% certain since all I had to do was scroll up a bit in the live mafia chat
I might take issue with Scarlet's questions in general but I don't think suspicion of you so far this game is unwarranted. After CoD, I played Terraformers where the three of us were town. I don't believe I ever voted you that game, perhaps expressed suspicion but not very much and eventually agreed with Phraze's assessment of your alignment as town. You on the other hand suspected the both of us and refused to cooperate to lynch obvious scum.
Because I know you're capable scum, I feel the things I've observed from you that appear scummy might just be a matter of different opinions and not alignment. But I still think they fall into the category of "scummy." Take your read on Empoof. You liked his reads list and hence he was light town or something but he's admitted that Tammy was his only serious read at the time. Agreeing with a joke list is ??? Your jump on Vox was a little off putting too. And your misinterpretation of me giving a small PoE of low posters and saying there's probably scum in there to be me saying lurkers = scum was ??? and certainly defensive (I think calling defensiveness a scum trait is a little overrated though...)
Now your defense to Scarlet's scumread of you being "Scarlet always scumreads me," while bears similarity to Wisp always scumreading me (not recently though!), just rings of dismissal? If you townread Scarlet enough for you to be sure that it's town!Scarlet scumreading you and not a scum!Scarlet attempting to look busy or make you a mislynch, I'd understand. Do you?
If I were reading you purely off of tone, you're town. You feel pretty honest this game and you're speaking your mind, even if infrequently. But alas, tonal reads are the bane of my existence.
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I agree with RE, I have never been a game where I was converted by Osie. I did catch them in Call of Duty though and my impression from that is that they are very smooth as scum (they were Townread by everyone bar me early on into their subbing despite all the mechanical issues) so I think their game is pretty good based off that.
Yeah I definitely conflated you and RE due to thoughts in Live Mafia.
You think I'm smooth in this game? I think my play has been abysmally low effort due to how little time I have for things right now. Usually I would have more thorough reads on everyone by now. Haven't even looked at the other two games in this event yet.
Sigh.
I'm going to do a deep dumpster dive into this game tonight and maybe tomorrow and hopefully can grab onto a beautiful set of scummy eyes and tear them out of their closed sockets for all to see...
I don't know where I was going with that metaphor. Back to work.
I've found this to be the case with both of you (and a lot of people who first played with me on MAL). The game I recruited you, Scarlet was my next choice originally iirc to remove two people who seemed to scumread me all the time regardless of what I might say or do. But maybe y'all's reads of me have gotten more nuanced since then...
I've never played live with Scarlet before. I'm fairly certain she wasn't in that game. Actually, I'm 100% certain since all I had to do was scroll up a bit in the live mafia chat
I might take issue with Scarlet's questions in general but I don't think suspicion of you so far this game is unwarranted. After CoD, I played Terraformers where the three of us were town. I don't believe I ever voted you that game, perhaps expressed suspicion but not very much and eventually agreed with Phraze's assessment of your alignment as town. You on the other hand suspected the both of us and refused to cooperate to lynch obvious scum.
Because I know you're capable scum, I feel the things I've observed from you that appear scummy might just be a matter of different opinions and not alignment. But I still think they fall into the category of "scummy." Take your read on Empoof. You liked his reads list and hence he was light town or something but he's admitted that Tammy was his only serious read at the time. Agreeing with a joke list is ??? Your jump on Vox was a little off putting too. And your misinterpretation of me giving a small PoE of low posters and saying there's probably scum in there to be me saying lurkers = scum was ??? and certainly defensive (I think calling defensiveness a scum trait is a little overrated though...)
Now your defense to Scarlet's scumread of you being "Scarlet always scumreads me," while bears similarity to Wisp always scumreading me (not recently though!), just rings of dismissal? If you townread Scarlet enough for you to be sure that it's town!Scarlet scumreading you and not a scum!Scarlet attempting to look busy or make you a mislynch, I'd understand. Do you?
If I were reading you purely off of tone, you're town. You feel pretty honest this game and you're speaking your mind, even if infrequently. But alas, tonal reads are the bane of my existence.
Quick point before I go back to work; I promise I will respond more thoroughly later if appropriate.
Butter new to me other cooking on it. Dunno why I haven’t done that yet
Butter's mostly for cooking on, but it certainly mixes in once it's a bit melted.
Please tell me you gave me a slight town read for the food conversation? I have been read by food preference type stuff in like three years.
the underlined just feels like a ballsy thing for someone who doesnt really like to be scum to write i guess, writing that out it feels more like a post-hoc justification but i've always just vibed with it since first seeing it. it just feels town
Osie - you said this feels fence-sitty. how so?
It felt like a "I'm somewhat reading this as town for now" sort of post. But I am thinking that I need to reread Troba since some of my impressions seem to have been wrong.
But that was in response to her saying I town told. I asked why I town told, she said it was because of this conversation, I asked what about it, and this was her answer. Contextually, it doesn't feel fence-sitty to me. I probably wouldn't care if it were, but also not contextually it doesn't feel fence-sitty.
I think grapefruit ignored the context of this post too, which I think he's ignored my questions about too.
Grape - How can you comment on Grape's push when there is no push? The entire case is based on them refusing to share what they said page 1... Which then just slowly faded away into nothingness until I asked them again.
Titus - Answered this to RE: didn't look back and assumed it was an RVS vote. Does make this seem quite off, though the next best implication was that this was simply a pressure vote seeing as Marko was the only one to not have posted whatsoever.
When I said that some of the time it looks like your reading posts for the purpose of looking for a question to ask but not really understand, the Grape thing is part of what comes to mind. It feels like you're not reading and taking in the entire game. You're right that grapefruit did make that post about holding back a reasoning on an rvs tell, but he did post some thoughts to Trob. Now whether or not you want to call it a push is one thing, but Grapefruit has mentioned more than once his concern about Trob seeming nervous in the beginning of the game, questioned her, pointed out something that concerned him, and then said it might be stylistic.
For the titus bit, why are you writing off reasoning you presume she might have and not asking her why she made the vote or reading what she said about it and wagons?
I missed your Empoof vote... But yeah saying "I'm currently gut reading ScarletCelestial as scum." and then never voting them isn't really scum reading them.
Last game we played Osie was scum read by almost everyone, and I had him as a town read and should have defended him more than I did, and then I replaced out.
Yeah, being scumread incorrectly as town by almost everyone based on tone is a large majority of games for me... Especially games with Scarlet, though to be fair, one game I played with her was one of the two scumgames I've ever been in (and a very frustrating game due to mod issues). Since I would have won that if the mod had correctly implemented the gladiator role, Scarlet now scumreads me in every game we're in, as far as I can tell. The one other time I was scum in a game with her, I thankfully had a recruiting role and used it on her at the earliest possible opportunity.
hey i believe this but not actually digging into the meta here i dont know how to differentiate so im gonna crowdsource this:
people who've played with osie, am I scumreading them for NAI things? from what i know i'm specifically asking Tammy here but anyone else with insight that would be nice
if you need a sparknotes of what i'm seeing, a lot of the things they're pushing just kind of seem unfair and not really matching up with the context of the game. i think this sort of fake-scumhunting comes from a mindset in which is looking for things to push rather than trying to understand people, so to speak.
if they just Play Like That that'd help me re-calibrate a lot
I can't help you, sorry. I've played one game with Osie, and I read her very early for a quirky push on me that had town push all over it. I remember thinking it was scum at first I think, then she explained it and I was like woah that's town and then I just saw her as town motivated.
I don't have helpful meta because it was just that one game. I don't have a read here right now. I've not seen anything to tilt me either way.
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I didn't want to respond to this earlier because I'm posting by myself right now anyway and I'm trying not to be completely obnoxious, but
Titus - It doesn't bother me that there's not big group synergy or wagons right now. It's super super early and I like when there's not group synergy early sometimes. It gives scum fewer places to hide when thread flow isn't so predictable. Sometimes, not always, but sometimes.
I’m wordy, yes. But none of it is unnecessary to me depending on the point. I have a tendency to write in a sort of stream of conscious way, and when I’m trying to work out my thoughts or read on a player I’m usually playing with several strings or thoughts. It’s annoying to get told you’re saying nothing or your words are unnecessary. It’s just how I think and work out my reads. It’s kinda roundabout at times, I agree, and sure I could put my editors hat on and pair it all down, but then a good bit of it gets lost.
Sometimes I’m more succinct because some things are more simple to figure out. I just always say if my ramble thoughts don’t help you read the game or my alignment, you can skip them if it’s annnoying to read.
Hey tammy
if you were me and had to pick someone from this playerlist to reveal your darkest secret to, who would it be and why?
Me, because I'm nosy but understanding and not very judgmental
If this is a roundabout way to ask me who my strongest town read is, that's RE.
And wooosh with that I'm at the top of 7 and need to step away for a minute.
Town to varying degrees: RE, empoof, Trob
I'm most concerned about grapefruit right now. Was supposed to be a hottake but half the game is there. It's not a true scumread because see no vote No but seriously not a true scumread because I don't have a true scumread right now.
dont worry i didnt actually wake up at 10:30 pm i've just been doing other things
anyway, i kind of came to the epiphany that my 1st chakra is way underractive which is probably why i feel so out of whack. im hoping coating my tofu with some stuff i found in a meteorite before deep frying it is gonna help align that
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i have in fact skimmed the thread so in this post im just gonna address really fast tammy's request for meta
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73845 - katysuha town game, first game played on katyusha. i think someone else mentioned my writing style being incomprehensible/confusing here so thats why i thought of this game first
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=76150 - katyusha town game, avoid reading if possible. game was extremely toxic and frustrating but it's also my most recent town game so?? it just really sucks to have someone go out of their way to misrepresent and lie about your play, reach out to them so you stop fighting, and then have them flip town and not see why you reacted the way you did. stand by blacklisting pine after this.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098 - saskeismyyaoikismesis/katyusha town game (yes i'm both contrary to what's said in the game). i was playing on a gimmick alt most of the game where i pretended to be a trollfic author so like this might not be a good indicator but simyk largely just plays like me with more complicated and incorrectly used vocabulary and alliteration. i replaced myself after i accidentally depression flaked so there's still some me-being-me in the game
http://trustthedeceived.freeforums.net/thread/19/closed-standard-1-game-over - gigabyteTroubadour game. this is still largely the only scum game (where i didn't play as a gimmick alt) where i really got to like to anything without instantly being eviscerated for meta or depression flaking lmfao (activity is not AI for me, i have bipolar depression and like most of the time i have rolled scum on MS it's been during a bad depressive episode). game is long and the forum is extremely unintuitive so rip if you read this, sucks you can't just ask nancy about what happened
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will quickly address anything directly asked of me before doing my to-do list after i get water
@Tammy
What did you like about Empoof's posting (in the way that it's town indicative)?
I liked his posts on page six, which moved him from an I'd like him to be town to I think he's probably town category. I liked some of the reflective posts about not getting into the game quite yet. And earlier post I liked was him saying it's gut but from a different part of my gut. I liked him saying that the two people he wanted to play with the most not being here was bumming him a bit. I liked his interaction with Trob on page six too.
I don't care about the things you scumread him for because I think those things are just him being silly and trolly, and I just read those things as just there.
@Tammy
What did you like about Empoof's posting (in the way that it's town indicative)?
I liked his posts on page six, which moved him from an I'd like him to be town to I think he's probably town category. I liked some of the reflective posts about not getting into the game quite yet. And earlier post I liked was him saying it's gut but from a different part of my gut. I liked him saying that the two people he wanted to play with the most not being here was bumming him a bit. I liked his interaction with Trob on page six too.
I don't care about the things you scumread him for because I think those things are just him being silly and trolly, and I just read those things as just there.
Alright, thanks. I was a little nervous since he looked like a read just thrown into the pile.
There were other things as well, but fair enough.
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@Tammy
What did you like about Empoof's posting (in the way that it's town indicative)?
I liked his posts on page six, which moved him from an I'd like him to be town to I think he's probably town category. I liked some of the reflective posts about not getting into the game quite yet. And earlier post I liked was him saying it's gut but from a different part of my gut. I liked him saying that the two people he wanted to play with the most not being here was bumming him a bit. I liked his interaction with Trob on page six too.
I don't care about the things you scumread him for because I think those things are just him being silly and trolly, and I just read those things as just there.
Alright, thanks. I was a little nervous since he looked like a read just thrown into the pile.
There were other things as well, but fair enough.
I will say that empoof reminds me of a type of player whose posts I like day one, give an early town read to and then day three realize I've gone horribly wrong. (I say as I'm looking at a member of his team) I hope that's not the case, I've been trying to check my biases this game.
Thank you Trob! I'm not sure if I need it at this point, maybe I will. I was mostly interested in looking at general writing style, for a reason I might mention that I'm not sure matters. Regarding game two you posted, I will only read if completely necessary; you're describing something I've had happen before and had that same reaction afterwards.
I will say that empoof reminds me of a type of player whose posts I like day one, give an early town read to and then day three realize I've gone horribly wrong. (I say as I'm looking at a member of his team) I hope that's not the case, I've been trying to check my biases this game.
Ah, yeah. I sometimes overlook a couple players due to their playstyle. Works until it doesn't.
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- I believe you're a very good player, hence why I bought it up and also because I think you're a player who can read me well. Sadly due to Unforgiving I realise I can't do the opposite
- I want to know the reason as to why you think wagon formation is useful at this point: I feel you think there is a reason and if there is I want to know it, more out of curiosity than anything else
- If it feels as if I am ignoring you, I'm sorry but I've been focusing more on Tammy (of whom I haven't played with but have been warned about their scum game) and osie (who posted a readlist which I wasn't understanding too well and felt was off)
Part one - What do you think about the fact that she's scum reading you then?
Did you scum read her when you were town in Unforgiving? Or what was the misread? If you misread her, why are you ignoring her?
Okay so something i've been mulling over. You say here that you were warned about my scum game, but later when I pressed it you mention your team posting a rant of mine from a post game that scared you because you thought I seemed nice. I know you've since said you misread who it was, but I'm left wondering why would a post-game rant that scared you equated to being warned about having a good scum game? This has me all kinds of confused?
I feel like Osie's entrance was built to throw shade and doesn't feel solvey in the way I'm used to seeing. They also seemed a little too rattled by being lumped in as low posting possible scum.
In regards to the entrance, I did feel that I had less to work with than usual and I was kinda grasping at straws. In regards to being rattled, I was a little thrown by it, but that's more that I am in fact juggling way too many things at once. But now that this game has gotten started, should be more business as usual, especially since one of my other games is ending soon.
Wouldn't it have been better just to comment on what you could comment on rather than 'grasp at straws'?
This is one of those questions that felt like asking a question to ask it rather than trying to understand. This might be one of those things that smart people call leading questions?
I feel like I might be a bit nitpicky here.
You guys should definitely come out and play. We're having a drinking party here; don't be shy!
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I won't be around for 6-7 hours, but I'd like someone to lay out the Grape case for me. I always like Grape and I think he's been in every game I've played so far and I'm worried that it's affecting my ability to read him.
Also, RE1031, you've answered a question addressed to another player twice now by my count, once for a player that is locktown, once for a player that I'm suspicious of. That makes it seem like it should probably be NAI, but it still bothers me a bit. I understand your stance regarding certain kinds of questions, but wouldn't it be better for solving if you let the addressed player respond first?
I'm going to do a deep dumpster dive into this game tonight and maybe tomorrow and hopefully can grab onto a beautiful set of scummy eyes and tear them out of their closed sockets for all to see...
Butter's mostly for cooking on, but it certainly mixes in once it's a bit melted.
Please tell me you gave me a slight town read for the food conversation? I have been read by food preference type stuff in like three years.
the underlined just feels like a ballsy thing for someone who doesnt really like to be scum to write i guess, writing that out it feels more like a post-hoc justification but i've always just vibed with it since first seeing it. it just feels town
Osie - you said this feels fence-sitty. how so?
It felt like a "I'm somewhat reading this as town for now" sort of post. But I am thinking that I need to reread Troba since some of my impressions seem to have been wrong.
But that was in response to her saying I town told. I asked why I town told, she said it was because of this conversation, I asked what about it, and this was her answer. Contextually, it doesn't feel fence-sitty to me. I probably wouldn't care if it were, but also not contextually it doesn't feel fence-sitty.
I think grapefruit ignored the context of this post too, which I think he's ignored my questions about too.
I may have missed that. Okay. Troba's looking a little better to me now anyways, though still some issues that I'm putting under unfamiliarity for now.
Caught up, reads haven't changed from a couple pages ago. Anyone I didn't mention is in some type of null category.
Come out and play with me!
I don't really have much to add, other than I think Ara's townread of Vox may be unjustified. Vox's reads can be summarized as he's reading the active players as town and as a result, the inactives are likely scum. It's not to say this can't be true, but it can also serve as a way to not attack the players who are more likely to defend themselves. I don't really have enough to go on from Vox, so more reasoning to why they think most of the posting players are town would be helpful, whenever there's a chance.
It kind of feels like Ara added Vox to the list to get them off her back. I've been wrong about these kinds of associative reads before but I still tend to sway towards them because it's something I might do as scum. In some of her comments on Vox, she's actually defending his case on her? Eh, just feels weird
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~ How big of a microwave do you generally have to microwave someone alive?! If you're microwaving someone, it's generally when they're already dead so that they can, you know, fit in the microwave!!!
I actually don't know. Probably one of those things where it's not actually a microwave but two panels that they accidentally run between and the bad guy flips the switch and they get vaporized or something.
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I’m pretty exhausted, skimmed a bit. Apologies if my overly trolly and under solvy gameplay is bugging people (CherryPhantom). Things are moving more and I feel energy wrt the game more, so i’ll Probably be “normal” (whatever that really means for me) tomorrow and start doing my rallying/leading/deeper solving thing. But also I’m just in a fairly great mood right now so no promises
Marko null, testing vote is INEFFECTIVE
Ara very slightly lean town for her thoughts so far but it’s thin and skimmy. Not attributing much to the style of fat wall of thoughts thing since it’s just an adjustment to the longer phases. Minorly pocketed by her saying she wants to read me in real time.
Apparently I’m supposed to hit this button:
Vote Osieorb
Likely sleeping after I move some things around but I’ll be here midday for a while before I go see Father John Misty
I was waiting to get some feedback from my team, so updated town reads to varying degrees: RE, empoof, osieorb, {trobairitz} {celestial}. Brackets aren't as strong and there are some discussion there.
{Grapefruit}, {Tubba} for scummy discussions.
More I aint sharing right now woop woop.
Empoof - You're a jackass. (I'm not exactly sure why though!)
There's typically not as much cfd style end of days in a long format, thought that does sometimes happen.
There's not a whole lot of voting and then peacing out though, I don't think. Usually you'll have notice well in advance of who is voting and can't be around for deadline though. I think with the playerlist in these games though, we'll see people around at or near deadline.
That's probably not helpful, but I'm looking forward to you posting because i'm still holding out hope you're going to be an easy read.
I was waiting to get some feedback from my team, so updated town reads to varying degrees: RE, empoof, osieorb, {trobairitz} {celestial}. Brackets aren't as strong and there are some discussion there.
A spicy osie read!
What's your reasoning? Reasoning for Celestial would be interesting as well.
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who was titus in unforgiving? She wasn't playing as herself.
Cookie Bakers. Technically it was a hydra of me a Shiro but Shiro had less than 10 posts. It's one of the only games I gave up as scum. I was a busted cult leader and all I was doing was having people lose by keeping going. Plys I had RL stuff come up mid game
Tammy, dumb question...how did you find Unforgiving mafia well enough to know that it wasn't under my name? You aren't exactly a frequent resident of Mafia Universe (not even sure you had an account). Scarlet Celestial never mentioned it was on mafia universe.
4. Completely different things when it comes to Titus. I don't think anything can be accomplished from looking at wagons at search an early stage. Osie is criticising what I think is an RVS vote.
Why do you keep saying it's an RVS vote when Titus said let's get out of rvs?
That was before I saw it wasn't an RVS T.T
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4. Completely different things when it comes to Titus. I don't think anything can be accomplished from looking at wagons at search an early stage. Osie is criticising what I think is an RVS vote.
Why do you keep saying it's an RVS vote when Titus said let's get out of rvs?
That was before I saw it wasn't an RVS T.T
O.o? Same post.
Also, why do I feel again that you're holding me to past games instead of this one? How well do you and your team know Tammy's team? Do you have a neighborhood with them?
I’m pretty exhausted, skimmed a bit. Apologies if my overly trolly and under solvy gameplay is bugging people (CherryPhantom). Things are moving more and I feel energy wrt the game more, so i’ll Probably be “normal” (whatever that really means for me) tomorrow and start doing my rallying/leading/deeper solving thing. But also I’m just in a fairly great mood right now so no promises
Marko null, testing vote is INEFFECTIVE
Ara very slightly lean town for her thoughts so far but it’s thin and skimmy. Not attributing much to the style of fat wall of thoughts thing since it’s just an adjustment to the longer phases. Minorly pocketed by her saying she wants to read me in real time.
Apparently I’m supposed to hit this button:
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Likely sleeping after I move some things around but I’ll be here midday for a while before I go see Father John Misty
Okay wait so are you calling Scarlet Celestial that or Scarlet Rage? I'm leaning towards the first but... *shrug*
Are you going to be around tonight? I don't know why (I do actually but I don't know why I'm doing this/did this to myself) but I'm in thread more in the morning!
On the move!
Okay, catching up on page 6 finally, then going to try to consolidate my thoughts!!!
Sort of interesting!!! What were your other things? Also, what's your read on Empoof?
Strong lack of explanation for his reads/votes. Bears similarity to what I saw in his scum game on MU.
He's scum. So's Grape and that's why he caved and moved onto Osie
Not super confident though.
@PoofFoop
You say Celestial's knocking on your door when you gave townreads. Were you suggesting there's something new she said that felt town?
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He's very pushy and excitable as scum, almost like he was angry. As town, I would say he sounds... sad? He definitely took a more active role as scum compared to as town. I only have one scum game on him though, so the meta read I'm relying on isn't too reliable.
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Interesting, but not in italics... how much have you seen of his town game and what would you expect to see of that here instead?
Breezed through the Champs game too. It wasn't much but he did provide fair explanation for his reads. He was less of an observer.
He said he didn't feel too into it cause you and Marko weren't playing earlier, but we'll see.
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Interesting, but not in italics... how much have you seen of his town game and what would you expect to see of that here instead?
Breezed through the Champs game too. It wasn't much but he did provide fair explanation for his reads. He was less of an observer.
He said he didn't feel too into it cause you and Marko weren't playing earlier, but we'll see.
Oh, forgot to answer the other question. I'd be expecting more questions from him. More explanation for his scumreads. Overall he has presence in this thread but I don't see scumhunting.
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I won't be around for 6-7 hours, but I'd like someone to lay out the Grape case for me. I always like Grape and I think he's been in every game I've played so far and I'm worried that it's affecting my ability to read him.
Also, RE1031, you've answered a question addressed to another player twice now by my count, once for a player that is locktown, once for a player that I'm suspicious of. That makes it seem like it should probably be NAI, but it still bothers me a bit. I understand your stance regarding certain kinds of questions, but wouldn't it be better for solving if you let the addressed player respond first?
While there is a difference in playing as third party and being mafia, I think she's capable of saying something along those lines as scum.
Ara's read on Vox bothers me just a little.
If you understand my stance regarding those kinds of questions, why are you asking me a question that falls into that category?
That's really how much it rubs me the wrong way. It was a critique of a style I sometimes play by, so I felt the need to defend it. The way the question was phrased seemed like shade, associating difference in style with scumminess.
Scarlet Rage is sussing a Grape/ScarletC/Marko team, Foopme previously expressed suspicion of Grape without explaining why, Osie disliked Grape's case on and so did I. It heavily relied on a false narrative.
While I protect my partners as scum,why did you bring up this speculative posting now and not when it happened? I also feel like you're trying to provide defenses for Scarlet prematurely. Does your team have reads atm?
Posting what I'm looking for in the middle without seeing how it plays out is useless. I'm not interested in telling the thread how something should play out, I'm interested in how it plays out organically. Because of how it did play out, it wasn't worth holding on to anymore.
I'm suspicious of Celestial and trying to work out my read there, but okay!
The only read I'm sharing from my team right now is RE town.
I've found this to be the case with both of you (and a lot of people who first played with me on MAL). The game I recruited you, Scarlet was my next choice originally iirc to remove two people who seemed to scumread me all the time regardless of what I might say or do. But maybe y'all's reads of me have gotten more nuanced since then...
I just overestimated what he was saying as more emphatic of a concern than it was.
It felt like a "I'm somewhat reading this as town for now" sort of post. But I am thinking that I need to reread Troba since some of my impressions seem to have been wrong.
Nah, I needed a baseline to work off of for what I thought of them, otherwise I have to reread a lot more every time I make a read, which I can't afford to do as much of at the moment IRL.
I might take issue with Scarlet's questions in general but I don't think suspicion of you so far this game is unwarranted. After CoD, I played Terraformers where the three of us were town. I don't believe I ever voted you that game, perhaps expressed suspicion but not very much and eventually agreed with Phraze's assessment of your alignment as town. You on the other hand suspected the both of us and refused to cooperate to lynch obvious scum.
Because I know you're capable scum, I feel the things I've observed from you that appear scummy might just be a matter of different opinions and not alignment. But I still think they fall into the category of "scummy." Take your read on Empoof. You liked his reads list and hence he was light town or something but he's admitted that Tammy was his only serious read at the time. Agreeing with a joke list is ??? Your jump on Vox was a little off putting too. And your misinterpretation of me giving a small PoE of low posters and saying there's probably scum in there to be me saying lurkers = scum was ??? and certainly defensive (I think calling defensiveness a scum trait is a little overrated though...)
Now your defense to Scarlet's scumread of you being "Scarlet always scumreads me," while bears similarity to Wisp always scumreading me (not recently though!), just rings of dismissal? If you townread Scarlet enough for you to be sure that it's town!Scarlet scumreading you and not a scum!Scarlet attempting to look busy or make you a mislynch, I'd understand. Do you?
If I were reading you purely off of tone, you're town. You feel pretty honest this game and you're speaking your mind, even if infrequently. But alas, tonal reads are the bane of my existence.
Yeah I definitely conflated you and RE due to thoughts in Live Mafia.
You think I'm smooth in this game? I think my play has been abysmally low effort due to how little time I have for things right now. Usually I would have more thorough reads on everyone by now. Haven't even looked at the other two games in this event yet.
Sigh.
I'm going to do a deep dumpster dive into this game tonight and maybe tomorrow and hopefully can grab onto a beautiful set of scummy eyes and tear them out of their closed sockets for all to see...
I don't know where I was going with that metaphor. Back to work.
Quick point before I go back to work; I promise I will respond more thoroughly later if appropriate.
Phraze scumread me that game.
But that was in response to her saying I town told. I asked why I town told, she said it was because of this conversation, I asked what about it, and this was her answer. Contextually, it doesn't feel fence-sitty to me. I probably wouldn't care if it were, but also not contextually it doesn't feel fence-sitty.
I think grapefruit ignored the context of this post too, which I think he's ignored my questions about too.
When I said that some of the time it looks like your reading posts for the purpose of looking for a question to ask but not really understand, the Grape thing is part of what comes to mind. It feels like you're not reading and taking in the entire game. You're right that grapefruit did make that post about holding back a reasoning on an rvs tell, but he did post some thoughts to Trob. Now whether or not you want to call it a push is one thing, but Grapefruit has mentioned more than once his concern about Trob seeming nervous in the beginning of the game, questioned her, pointed out something that concerned him, and then said it might be stylistic.
For the titus bit, why are you writing off reasoning you presume she might have and not asking her why she made the vote or reading what she said about it and wagons?
Page Six
- thought
- thought
- thought
but not always noting page numbers or responding to actual posts?
You know I rarely vote this early.
You're gonna love me.
I can't help you, sorry. I've played one game with Osie, and I read her very early for a quirky push on me that had town push all over it. I remember thinking it was scum at first I think, then she explained it and I was like woah that's town and then I just saw her as town motivated.
I don't have helpful meta because it was just that one game. I don't have a read here right now. I've not seen anything to tilt me either way.
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I didn't want to respond to this earlier because I'm posting by myself right now anyway and I'm trying not to be completely obnoxious, but
Titus - It doesn't bother me that there's not big group synergy or wagons right now. It's super super early and I like when there's not group synergy early sometimes. It gives scum fewer places to hide when thread flow isn't so predictable. Sometimes, not always, but sometimes.
Me, because I'm nosy but understanding and not very judgmental
If this is a roundabout way to ask me who my strongest town read is, that's RE.
And wooosh with that I'm at the top of 7 and need to step away for a minute.
Town to varying degrees: RE, empoof, Trob
I'm most concerned about grapefruit right now. Was supposed to be a hottake but half the game is there. It's not a true scumread because see no vote No but seriously not a true scumread because I don't have a true scumread right now.
What did you like about Empoof's posting (in the way that it's town indicative)?
anyway, i kind of came to the epiphany that my 1st chakra is way underractive which is probably why i feel so out of whack. im hoping coating my tofu with some stuff i found in a meteorite before deep frying it is gonna help align that
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i have in fact skimmed the thread so in this post im just gonna address really fast tammy's request for meta
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73845 - katysuha town game, first game played on katyusha. i think someone else mentioned my writing style being incomprehensible/confusing here so thats why i thought of this game first
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=76150 - katyusha town game, avoid reading if possible. game was extremely toxic and frustrating but it's also my most recent town game so?? it just really sucks to have someone go out of their way to misrepresent and lie about your play, reach out to them so you stop fighting, and then have them flip town and not see why you reacted the way you did. stand by blacklisting pine after this.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098 - saskeismyyaoikismesis/katyusha town game (yes i'm both contrary to what's said in the game). i was playing on a gimmick alt most of the game where i pretended to be a trollfic author so like this might not be a good indicator but simyk largely just plays like me with more complicated and incorrectly used vocabulary and alliteration. i replaced myself after i accidentally depression flaked so there's still some me-being-me in the game
http://trustthedeceived.freeforums.net/thread/19/closed-standard-1-game-over - gigabyteTroubadour game. this is still largely the only scum game (where i didn't play as a gimmick alt) where i really got to like to anything without instantly being eviscerated for meta or depression flaking lmfao (activity is not AI for me, i have bipolar depression and like most of the time i have rolled scum on MS it's been during a bad depressive episode). game is long and the forum is extremely unintuitive so rip if you read this, sucks you can't just ask nancy about what happened
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will quickly address anything directly asked of me before doing my to-do list after i get water
I liked his posts on page six, which moved him from an I'd like him to be town to I think he's probably town category. I liked some of the reflective posts about not getting into the game quite yet. And earlier post I liked was him saying it's gut but from a different part of my gut. I liked him saying that the two people he wanted to play with the most not being here was bumming him a bit. I liked his interaction with Trob on page six too.
I don't care about the things you scumread him for because I think those things are just him being silly and trolly, and I just read those things as just there.
There were other things as well, but fair enough.
I will say that empoof reminds me of a type of player whose posts I like day one, give an early town read to and then day three realize I've gone horribly wrong. (I say as I'm looking at a member of his team) I hope that's not the case, I've been trying to check my biases this game.
Dealing with some minor medical issues, not gonna force myself to read through blurry vision until it either clears up or I go to the doc on Monday.
Part one - What do you think about the fact that she's scum reading you then?
Did you scum read her when you were town in Unforgiving? Or what was the misread? If you misread her, why are you ignoring her?
Okay so something i've been mulling over. You say here that you were warned about my scum game, but later when I pressed it you mention your team posting a rant of mine from a post game that scared you because you thought I seemed nice. I know you've since said you misread who it was, but I'm left wondering why would a post-game rant that scared you equated to being warned about having a good scum game? This has me all kinds of confused?
Hope you feel better soon!
This is one of those questions that felt like asking a question to ask it rather than trying to understand. This might be one of those things that smart people call leading questions?
I feel like I might be a bit nitpicky here.
You guys should definitely come out and play. We're having a drinking party here; don't be shy!
Can you talk about your reads on players?
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Come out and play with me!
I may have missed that. Okay. Troba's looking a little better to me now anyways, though still some issues that I'm putting under unfamiliarity for now.
It kind of feels like Ara added Vox to the list to get them off her back. I've been wrong about these kinds of associative reads before but I still tend to sway towards them because it's something I might do as scum. In some of her comments on Vox, she's actually defending his case on her? Eh, just feels weird
I’m pretty exhausted, skimmed a bit. Apologies if my overly trolly and under solvy gameplay is bugging people (CherryPhantom). Things are moving more and I feel energy wrt the game more, so i’ll Probably be “normal” (whatever that really means for me) tomorrow and start doing my rallying/leading/deeper solving thing. But also I’m just in a fairly great mood right now so no promises
Marko null, testing vote is INEFFECTIVE
Ara very slightly lean town for her thoughts so far but it’s thin and skimmy. Not attributing much to the style of fat wall of thoughts thing since it’s just an adjustment to the longer phases. Minorly pocketed by her saying she wants to read me in real time.
Apparently I’m supposed to hit this button:
Vote Osieorb
Likely sleeping after I move some things around but I’ll be here midday for a while before I go see Father John Misty
{Grapefruit}, {Tubba} for scummy discussions.
More I aint sharing right now woop woop.
Empoof - You're a jackass. (I'm not exactly sure why though!)
There's not a whole lot of voting and then peacing out though, I don't think. Usually you'll have notice well in advance of who is voting and can't be around for deadline though. I think with the playerlist in these games though, we'll see people around at or near deadline.
That's probably not helpful, but I'm looking forward to you posting because i'm still holding out hope you're going to be an easy read.
A spicy osie read!
What's your reasoning? Reasoning for Celestial would be interesting as well.
Cookie Bakers. Technically it was a hydra of me a Shiro but Shiro had less than 10 posts. It's one of the only games I gave up as scum. I was a busted cult leader and all I was doing was having people lose by keeping going. Plys I had RL stuff come up mid game
That was before I saw it wasn't an RVS T.T
O.o? Same post.
Also, why do I feel again that you're holding me to past games instead of this one? How well do you and your team know Tammy's team? Do you have a neighborhood with them?
That post does not contain the word Scarlet.
He's scum. So's Grape and that's why he caved and moved onto Osie
Not super confident though.
@PoofFoop
You say Celestial's knocking on your door when you gave townreads. Were you suggesting there's something new she said that felt town?
He said he didn't feel too into it cause you and Marko weren't playing earlier, but we'll see.