I believe it. Don't feel bad about it, I felt really weird when I first got the result then later when uh... some stuff happened it made a lot more sense.
A friend of mine actually microwaved his mom's parakeet when he was seven. It haunts him to this day, particularly because our other friends will never let him forget it. He said he just wanted to see it turn around and around but I'm skeptical.
As far as the game goes, at the risk of sounding like a filthy OMGUS casual, I feel like Osie's entrance was built to throw shade and doesn't feel solvey in the way I'm used to seeing. They also seemed a little too rattled by being lumped in as low posting possible scum.
Nothing else really leaps out as scummy to me, I agree that there is probably one scum in the low/non-existent posters, and I can understand Voxx's push against Arapocalypse, but I'm holding my vote till I see some more action this game.
Dang, witnessing that must have been traumatizing. Worse I did as a kid was microwave a frozen juice pack cause I wanted to drink it and it caught on fire.
Fair enough. Yeah, he did seem a bit rattled. I actually don't know how he could have misinterpreted my post on low posters/lurkers. Or why he felt Scarlet's early posts were demotivated. But I also didn't see how Trob seemed nervous.
I know osie is good at scumming so I'm hesitant to scumread him off what he's said so far, even if his scumleans come off as shady, if that makes sense. But there could be external factors affecting his tone (which, ironically, reads to me as demotivated, or lacking in energy).
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@RE I'll reply to your big post after work when I have time to format. Don't have the energy to do it right now.
@Tammy you talked about it being mentally draining for you and people seemed to be clearing you on the energy and enthusiasm you're showing early. Do you agree with the people town reading you that this level of engagement from you should be clearing? I don't know your meta at all and understand the town leans but have a hard time grasping people meta clearing someone who is a good scum player off this. I get that this isn't really helpful for solving you but I want to know if these reads are TMI'ing.
Yes, I hate it and it’s mentally draining for me, but I do okay. I’m not nervous or scared scum; I think I suck at it but I probably think I’m worse at it than I am. The thing with me though is that I literally feel like I wear my alignment on my sleeve, so I try not to fake things like enthusiasm at the start of a game unless there is someone expecting something from me and I just hope they don’t notice how fake it is. I think there is a night and day energy from me between alignments, and there are some things I just cannot fake as scum no matter how hard I’ve tried. I do get written off as town early quite often for all those buzzwords you used, and it’s possible some are tmi, but except I the case of trob talking about a towntell I haven’t really concerned myself with it. It just feels normal; I’m sure I’ll look back and see how things fit together later, but I’m not worried about it now.
Now when I’m scum, I don’t typically get early town reads for any of the stuff people have said here because I just don’t feel this way as scum (except in certain instances like an alted theme I can roleplay, or drawing the mafia traitor that flips town which is hands down the most fun role to play, but these are outliers.). I tend to get more thoughts of like she’s there but not doing anything overtly scummy most of the time.
Did this make sense? I just woke up and I feel like that’s a groggy ramble.
Oh it’s a pretty common thing for people to read me early as fluffy or floaty but in a good way. I once got accurately scum read for not being floaty on day one..lol.
This was really helpful. Thanks. I think this makes Troba's town read of you look worse then. I know you initially liked her 53 but it reeks of being forced to me. And by 85 she had you as strong town.
Back to RE you seemed to miss the point of the question towards Titus, it's how is being a second vote on a slot that hasn't posted moving is out of RVS.
I honestly fail to see how voting a zero poster gets us out of RVS? If he's town, it doesn't accomplish much. If he's scum, well, we'd be flipping a coin, so it's still fairly "random", no?
Is it within Marko's meta to just not post as scum as opposed to town? Or is everyone else varying degrees of townie/neutral that a zero poster would a preferable place to vote? Plz educate me
I asked the same thing earlier.
Did I miss the point? Because SC has continued to refer to the vote as RVS. I'm also not too clear you were actually saying there if you could rephrase...
Ahhh yeah you're right I definitely read SCelestial wrong on that one. Still think the questions are good overall though.
@SCelestial I particularly liked the one to Osie (which is the one RE discredited the most) it gets at Osie in a really good way. My "thing" wasn't explained at all and it is weird that Osie latched onto it. The questions to Foop, Trob, and Tammy were less insightful but were also things I was curious about.
@ScarletRage first are you Titus? I'm so confused right now. Second why are you so concerned about VC's at this stage of the game?
Anyway the early Troba read: she made two self meta posts by post 15. Which is all kinds of alarming, even if the second one was answering a question. And the first one she leaped at a simple "how are you?" to begin providing a meta dump. It just read super strangely to me. Once 53 happened I thought maybe it was just nerves of being in a new place with lots of new faces but that doesn't seem to be the case.
RE has been fluffy in general (which with this playerbase I guess is to be expected), but I don't get any productive vibes from her at all. Her claims that SCelestial's questions are bad/no effort but not really scum reading SCelestial is basically an umbrella and this answer is gross. Just has zero interest in scum hunting and is pretty much saying "I want to leave my vote somewhere easy."
As for Tubba I don't buy that at all. He made one post when you made that read and it was pure role play. This is a really reductive version of the read Voxx made on Ara (which I'm still not sure I'm comfortable with) but worse because his only post was 29 and didn't attempt to engage with the game at all. Just flavor gaming and checking out. If 3 days from now Tubba hasn't done anything I'd be comfortable starting to call him disengaged but this is way too early to have made that call and dropped a scum read for that.
Then we agree to disagree, because I found what Vox pointed out wrt Ara was fair. I've been in an abundance of games where that's exactly how scum post. I see no issue in calling it out early. If I'm wrong, then it'd be quite obvious I'm wrong when Tubba starts to make game-related posts, and no harm is done. If I'm right, even better.
RE has been fluffy in general (which with this playerbase I guess is to be expected), but I don't get any productive vibes from her at all. Her claims that SCelestial's questions are bad/no effort but not really scum reading SCelestial is basically an umbrella and this answer is gross. Just has zero interest in scum hunting and is pretty much saying "I want to leave my vote somewhere easy."
I'm currently gut reading ScarletCelestial as scum.
The imbalance between questions and comments on the game feels bad. There's enough in the game right now to comment on. And her questions directed at Tammy feel unwarranted (I don't see how they'd help figure out Tammy's alignment).
wrt CrimsonSpecter it's a valid read, it's just a progression you don't like. I might not like it if I was you to, but I yam what I yam. I do remember you saying "fair" about it though
Fair, as in, nice observation. It doesn't do anything in regards to your alignment. Same way I'm not taking it into consideration when looking at the rest of Scarlet's posts.
If I sound certain about my read on you, I'm really not at all. I just don't currently scumread anyone else more strongly (except for Scarlet, you're on equal grounds with them).
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I'm not voting Tubba anymore? I've been interacting with Foopme for some time? Is my vote placement actually something to be used against me when half the player base haven't actually voted for their scumreads?
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I missed your Empoof vote... But yeah saying "I'm currently gut reading ScarletCelestial as scum." and then never voting them isn't really scum reading them.
I missed your Empoof vote... But yeah saying "I'm currently gut reading ScarletCelestial as scum." and then never voting them isn't really scum reading them.
Yeah, that's exactly why Osie has only 1 vote right now despite you, Scarlet, and Tubba showing suspicion of him
If I sound very abrasive now, let me know and I'll stop. I'm actually having the time of my life.
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Tbh, my playstyle usually has more resistance tbh. I rely heavily on VCA and data than personal interactions, but there's little day 1. I tend to be abrasive too.
The lack of group synergy and wagons is troubling me. We need those two missing slots. I hope Tubba votes as well.
I mean, it's day 1 and the phases are long. I don't scum read you currently and don't sense malicious intent from your votes.
I also think Grape's case on me has a sprinkle of TMI to it and might suggest I'm very off in who I've suspected.
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I mean, it's day 1 and the phases are long. I don't scum read you currently and don't sense malicious intent from your votes.
I also think Grape's case on me has a sprinkle of TMI to it and might suggest I'm very off in who I've suspected.
Can you elaborate on your observations? What is the hypothetical TMI?
I mean, it's day 1 and the phases are long. I don't scum read you currently and don't sense malicious intent from your votes.
I also think Grape's case on me has a sprinkle of TMI to it and might suggest I'm very off in who I've suspected.
Can you elaborate on your observations? What is the hypothetical TMI?
Well, breaking down his case, I'm scum because:
>My read on Tubba is bad and it's just an easy place to keep my vote parked [False, I was voting Poofme]
>My attack on Scarlet but not voting her is an umbrella [Honestly, what does that even mean? I clearly addressed each one of her questions towards Osie and why I labeled most of them as "artificial"]
>I'm not being productive [I have townreads on Tammy and you to an extent. I've been pushing my scumreads, Scarlet and Poofme, for some time now. I've also questioned Trob, who was somewhat a gut town lean, but still has done questionable things I want addressed.]
He's focused strongly on my scumreads to case me. The not-being-productive part strongly relies on me being incorrect on my read and vote against Scarlet and Tubba (strangely enough he's attacked me more so for my read on Scarlet and less on Poofme).
Him calling out my criticism of Scarlet's questions as an "umbrella" is funny because labeling me as unproductive does the same exact thing. It's also funny he's using my vote placement as a reason to scumread me I think it may actually be less than half the player base is voting a player they actually suspect.
Of course, I may be reading too much into things. Grape being scum does not make Scarlet or Tubba town. I may be off on Grape and he's just experiencing a disconnect in style while scumreading me (not terribly likely considering I've played with him several times before).
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I mean, it's day 1 and the phases are long. I don't scum read you currently and don't sense malicious intent from your votes.
I also think Grape's case on me has a sprinkle of TMI to it and might suggest I'm very off in who I've suspected.
Can you elaborate on your observations? What is the hypothetical TMI?
Well, breaking down his case, I'm scum because:
>My read on Tubba is bad and it's just an easy place to keep my vote parked [False, I was voting Poofme]
>My attack on Scarlet but not voting her is an umbrella [Honestly, what does that even mean? I clearly addressed each one of her questions towards Osie and why I labeled most of them as "artificial"]
>I'm not being productive [I have townreads on Tammy and you to an extent. I've been pushing my scumreads, Scarlet and Poofme, for some time now. I've also questioned Trob, who was somewhat a gut town lean, but still has done questionable things I want addressed.]
He's focused strongly on my scumreads to case me. The not-being-productive part strongly relies on me being incorrect on my read and vote against Scarlet and Tubba (strangely enough he's attacked me more so for my read on Scarlet and less on Poofme).
Him calling out my criticism of Scarlet's questions as an "umbrella" is funny because labeling me as unproductive does the same exact thing. It's also funny he's using my vote placement as a reason to scumread me I think it may actually be less than half the player base is voting a player they actually suspect.
Of course, I may be reading too much into things. Grape being scum does not make Scarlet or Tubba town. I may be off on Grape and he's just experiencing a disconnect in style while scumreading me (not terribly likely considering I've played with him several times before).
Possibly, but I have been watching with a more critical lens and reached a different conclusion (not saying yours is incorrect). Expressing scumreads usually is productive. Scarlet expressed similar hostility to me keeping my vote on MarkoRaj. I am currently floating a Scarlet Raj Grape theroem in my head but I am not sure if accurate or not.
* The jump onto RE in response to your RVS on RE seemed like an attempt to ingratiate with you. yeah thats exactly what it was and i've made 0 effort to hide this; this is scummy why?
* I'm kinda tired of people excusing away their scumtells with "This is just posting style," which are what 9 and the odd repeat in 13 feel like. how is saying "my playstyle is inconsistent" hiding behind posting style? if anything i feel it's the opposite LMFAO - if i'm going to hide my scumtells behind playstyle i'm not going to state that i lack a clear playstyle, that seems like it accomplishes the opposite. There's literally zero things odd about me repeating about inconsistency either, Scarlet literally asked what I meant by inconsistent. If you're going to cherrypick things in my ISO in an effort to make them look scummy, please actually read them in context?
* #53 feels intentionally fence-sitty Do you know what fence-sitty means? The point is always "Tammy is town", saying "it's a post-hoc justification" is just like that reasoning felt more like me trying to find an explanation for why I vibed with the post rather than the reasoning itself, that doesn't make it not town
* #77 feels like it's a lot of rambling to say… "I feel like Scarlet is townie. My read is justified because she's no better than I am. I don't know how to read Empoof, but I think he's town too." a rambly syntax is scummy to you because....
* 85 looks similar to 77 in terms of using lots of words to say very little. not to be mean but like i've read over that post a second time and im not even sure what sentences i'd cut out. everything serves a purpose here
* I don't like the vote in 87 at all. walk me through why. i was seeing a possibility for townreading RE (who im a lot more solid town on) at the time and wanted to focus elsewhere, lurkerwagon was the most tantalizing option since no one really jumped at me as scummy
* At times it looks like she's intentionally obfuscating her text with verbiage. Reminds me a bit of another much more frustrating player who was gimmicking a meaninglessly pompous character (for those who have played on MTGS in the past year or so). dam im just offended at being called pompous.................
i know im not caught up at all but like no one commented on my osie vote from earlier, what's up w that people should be talking about this more
like this feels like a scummy disconnect from game events here, not really sure why they picked me specifically from a scum pov (buddy up to grapefruit??) but i think this tidbit on me especially feels kind of contrived, a lot like their earlier push on voxx
btw anyone know how to ISO since i remember someone mentioning it? im responding to 203 and 205 in full (i wanted to address the Meaty Case Against Myself first) and i keep losing my spot/context for questions lmfao
im still kind of spacey rn and my chakras have been kind of fizzling lately sooo lmafo
btw anyone know how to ISO since i remember someone mentioning it? im responding to 203 and 205 in full (i wanted to address the Meaty Case Against Myself first) and i keep losing my spot/context for questions lmfao
im still kind of spacey rn and my chakras have been kind of fizzling lately sooo lmafo
nvm i figured it out wow!!
for those wondering you can scroll up, click search, and then on the dropdown box to "this thread", and then you can search by user
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anyway im still on page 5 i hope you all can forgive me uwu
btw anyone know how to ISO since i remember someone mentioning it? im responding to 203 and 205 in full (i wanted to address the Meaty Case Against Myself first) and i keep losing my spot/context for questions lmfao
im still kind of spacey rn and my chakras have been kind of fizzling lately sooo lmafo
Since most of us are just playing this game, you can use "view posts" from the arrow next to people's names. Might wanna triple check that it's just posts here though depending on what other players are up to on this site/whatever multigaming shenanigans are happening
talk to me about what you like about grapefruit's push?
also im not really sure what level of nuance you'd like out of page 3 posting...? lack of reasoning and opportunism seems like a really shallow way to view my posting lmfaooo
i do find some of the things you're listing as scummy as questionable in merit though, like i dont really think anything titus has done that you've listed is really that scummy for her? (her logic is kind of confusing for someone who's never played with her for example) as an example.
fwiw i'll try to write more coherently lmfao
I responded to Scarlet about my thoughts on Grape's push.
In regards to Titus, I don't know Titus' personality. But it's early anyways, and that's what I've seen so far. There's still a week and a half for reads to become more solid. (Though ideally it will happen sooner.)
{Tammy} - Strong town
{RE, Scarlet, Foop} - Town
{Grapefruit, Titus, Vox} - Leantown
{Markoj} - Empty slot
{Tubba/Ara/Osie} - Would vote in
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Their pushes don't really feel real to me, #128 was mostly what got me to vote. like that legitimately felt like a really weird deconstruction of what vox was pushing which feels pretty clear to me
That's just how I read Voxx's post, as I made clear. Just like I'm reading your post as an OMGUS vote with shoddy reasoning, as I'm making clear here.
Yeah that's fair wrt reads getting more solid. I just don't really think being self-contradictory in most instances or voting lurkers without much information at the stage where that was relevant are really anything scummy. It's a cliche that I wholeheartedly believe in that town is far more likely to contradict themselves anyway, scum have a narrative to keep track of! + like with that same reasoning scum don't really want to be seen making aimless votes too often unless they think theyre the type of person who can get away with it. Not really sure how you're profiling Titus (or if you even do like personality profiles internally) but yea. I don't think those are scumtells that really... point to scum. Personality/meta isn't my biggest concern here though it's always relevant.
About Grape, what's wrong with his waffling? I think it's fine, and not because he started to townread me. I liked how he questioned me in a way that felt like it was a real thought process (asking a direct question to jog through possibilities), and based on my response he went back on it.
Last game we played Osie was scum read by almost everyone, and I had him as a town read and should have defended him more than I did, and then I replaced out.
Yeah, being scumread incorrectly as town by almost everyone based on tone is a large majority of games for me... Especially games with Scarlet, though to be fair, one game I played with her was one of the two scumgames I've ever been in (and a very frustrating game due to mod issues). Since I would have won that if the mod had correctly implemented the gladiator role, Scarlet now scumreads me in every game we're in, as far as I can tell. The one other time I was scum in a game with her, I thankfully had a recruiting role and used it on her at the earliest possible opportunity.
hey i believe this but not actually digging into the meta here i dont know how to differentiate so im gonna crowdsource this:
people who've played with osie, am I scumreading them for NAI things? from what i know i'm specifically asking Tammy here but anyone else with insight that would be nice
if you need a sparknotes of what i'm seeing, a lot of the things they're pushing just kind of seem unfair and not really matching up with the context of the game. i think this sort of fake-scumhunting comes from a mindset in which is looking for things to push rather than trying to understand people, so to speak.
if they just Play Like That that'd help me re-calibrate a lot
I’m wordy, yes. But none of it is unnecessary to me depending on the point. I have a tendency to write in a sort of stream of conscious way, and when I’m trying to work out my thoughts or read on a player I’m usually playing with several strings or thoughts. It’s annoying to get told you’re saying nothing or your words are unnecessary. It’s just how I think and work out my reads. It’s kinda roundabout at times, I agree, and sure I could put my editors hat on and pair it all down, but then a good bit of it gets lost.
Sometimes I’m more succinct because some things are more simple to figure out. I just always say if my ramble thoughts don’t help you read the game or my alignment, you can skip them if it’s annnoying to read.
Hey tammy
if you were me and had to pick someone from this playerlist to reveal your darkest secret to, who would it be and why?
To be fair, according to Troba, that could be a personality thing, but I also don't trust Troba right now, and I think that relying on someone else's description of meta here instead of actually thinking about Scarlet's posts isn't fair.
if you really want me to i could like dissect what i like about scarlet's posts in a more logos-sense but it feels like a waste because 1. i don't find any of it objectionable which is why i've kind of have just let her be, 2. her first post was pretty townie even without meta context behind it, 3. i think most of people's concerns with like her questions are more symptomatic of her being newish (~1 year or less of mafia experience? i've been hilariously wrong about this before lmfao but thats just what i'm sensing) and havent really spoken up about it because no one is really pushing her for a lynch. interrupting people's pressure is kind of dumb to do and they'll see through her towniness more than likely
Okay, so you disagree with his reasoning for scumreading Titus. But you're also saying that it might be justified because Titus' logic is difficult to follow? So why is it questionable for someone who's never played with them before to have that opinion of her?
i did word it in a way that directly stated it was meta related whoops, forgot that when i replied to osie. this is why you self-iso when you're out of existence for 24 gotdam hours lmoaf
but like i've alluded to in my recent stream (mathdino if you see me right now i'm absolutely NOT sorry), i think it's kind of superficial to go after people for being self-contradictory and for naked votes. neither of these things are scummy in a vacuum, and i think it's doubly true for titus because those are just very titus-y things in general.
I have read 77 and 85: it seems most of your posts boil down to gut feelings and tone, but can you point out any posts and say what's actually Townie about them?
For what purpose do you think it best that you voted Marko?
first question is good conceptually but it's way too vague for me to answer? in 77 i point to a direct post so idk what you're lacking here, and the empoof part is fairly clearly discussing a conversation spanning multiple points with a memorable subject. 85 for vox i refer to a direct post, tubba had only one post at the time, grapefruit i think it's clear what I mean? I dont want to like rebuff you but this would be easier if you could point out specific ppl you'd like to explain my read on - I recognize it might be clear for me and not clear for you which is like 100% valid ^^;
The Marko vote was basically an RVS vote. Most of the people posting I felt were town, and people whom I saw scum motive for were awful votes because my concerns could easily be allayed by them just waiting and seeing where they were going next (if, for example, I had voted Voxx it would have been a waste because I really liked their followup to their Ara scumread). As a result I went for the biggest wagon with a townread voting on it, which I think at that time was just 1 vote from Empoof? Plus it just worked out right since I didn't really want to vote anyone else.
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Speaking of the above, Tubba's kind of tough for me to place rn. Imo there's zero shame in getting your hands dirty, so I'd like to see you follow up on literally anything you see amiss! There's zero harm done in voting incorrectly, since we still have like a week or so to figure things out. There's a saying here I'm missing but it's better to like actually try rather than just be passive, yeah?
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also next time i fall behind would you guys rather i try to put everything together in 1 post? im like cringing as im posting this long-ass stream but it's also easier for me to do bc it's like 2 am and im scared of crashing mid-post and I know DAMn well that if i don't push myself to get in at least 1 (one) complete post that I'll just lose my flow with the game and flake out so
rock and a hard place etc. i think im at like 10 consecutive posts though :/
also next time i fall behind would you guys rather i try to put everything together in 1 post? im like cringing as im posting this long-ass stream but it's also easier for me to do bc it's like 2 am and im scared of crashing mid-post and I know DAMn well that if i don't push myself to get in at least 1 (one) complete post that I'll just lose my flow with the game and flake out so
rock and a hard place etc. i think im at like 10 consecutive posts though :/
No big deal to me, would consider each of those posts it's own complete thought. Maybe would've merged the tammy question post with another post like you did with the line breaks in this one. Really it would just be nice if everywhere was like DLP and had the automerge feature where if you double post it just morphs into one.
Also welcome to the lock have a nice time. We have snacks! I just ate all the chocolate almond cookies but there's still some oreos if you have a sweet tooth
I feel like Osie's entrance was built to throw shade and doesn't feel solvey in the way I'm used to seeing. They also seemed a little too rattled by being lumped in as low posting possible scum.
In regards to the entrance, I did feel that I had less to work with than usual and I was kinda grasping at straws. In regards to being rattled, I was a little thrown by it, but that's more that I am in fact juggling way too many things at once. But now that this game has gotten started, should be more business as usual, especially since one of my other games is ending soon.
RE has been fluffy in general (which with this playerbase I guess is to be expected), but I don't get any productive vibes from her at all. Her claims that SCelestial's questions are bad/no effort but not really scum reading SCelestial is basically an umbrella and this answer is gross. Just has zero interest in scum hunting and is pretty much saying "I want to leave my vote somewhere easy."
I'm currently gut reading ScarletCelestial as scum.
The imbalance between questions and comments on the game feels bad. There's enough in the game right now to comment on. And her questions directed at Tammy feel unwarranted (I don't see how they'd help figure out Tammy's alignment).
Sup osie. I have Tammy and Torb in my core. CrimsonSpirit knocking at the door.
You think I'm okay to just be chillin with that for the next like 2-3 life days?
Noticed people giving you the squinty eyes, looked like you responded by saying it happens often. If you haven't gone ham about it what's your personal take on your meta?
This was really helpful. Thanks. I think this makes Troba's town read of you look worse then. I know you initially liked her 53 but it reeks of being forced to me. And by 85 she had you as strong town.
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she just said she's usually pretty transparent with her alignment, how would that make having a strong read on her look worse?
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and noted empoof lmao. the darkest secret question was very deliberate in its formatting though, im trusting my 3rd Charka here but yea
mind if i pry into the specifics of what pushed me into the lock? thoughts on what i'm seeing on osie as well?
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The Marko vote was basically an RVS vote. Most of the people posting I felt were town, and people whom I saw scum motive for were awful votes because my concerns could easily be allayed by them just waiting and seeing where they were going next (if, for example, I had voted Voxx it would have been a waste because I really liked their followup to their Ara scumread). As a result I went for the biggest wagon with a townread voting on it, which I think at that time was just 1 vote from Empoof? Plus it just worked out right since I didn't really want to vote anyone else.
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Speaking of the above, Tubba's kind of tough for me to place rn. Imo there's zero shame in getting your hands dirty, so I'd like to see you follow up on literally anything you see amiss! There's zero harm done in voting incorrectly, since we still have like a week or so to figure things out. There's a saying here I'm missing but it's better to like actually try rather than just be passive, yeah?
Anyway the early Troba read: she made two self meta posts by post 15. Which is all kinds of alarming, even if the second one was answering a question. And the first one she leaped at a simple "how are you?" to begin providing a meta dump. It just read super strangely to me. Once 53 happened I thought maybe it was just nerves of being in a new place with lots of new faces but that doesn't seem to be the case.
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ok..... you realize that like scarlet was also talking about her self-meta too, right? like that was the conversation at hand, and the second post (iirc this is 53) was a followup since scarlet asked about like my inconsistencies
not to be extra but like..... you all know how conversations work right :grimacing:
tbf i did kind of cringe at the amount i thoughtdumped but it still felt appropriate to write at the time and still feels normal to me
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i like the grape wagon's composition but im not really hot on it as a push. like i really felt like some of the ways he's talked about me (above and previous post for example) are bizarre but nothing out of the realm for town to feel. i especially feel like there's only one scum in grape/osie since i think the way osie is interacting with them is way too inconsistent to be from a partner (namely plus oneing them on me and then turning against them).
titus/empoof/RE, do you guys feel like I'm in the wrong in thinking that how he's adjusting the strength of his read on me is not really town indicative? if i need to be more specific i'll try
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The Marko vote was basically an RVS vote. Most of the people posting I felt were town, and people whom I saw scum motive for were awful votes because my concerns could easily be allayed by them just waiting and seeing where they were going next (if, for example, I had voted Voxx it would have been a waste because I really liked their followup to their Ara scumread). As a result I went for the biggest wagon with a townread voting on it, which I think at that time was just 1 vote from Empoof? Plus it just worked out right since I didn't really want to vote anyone else.
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Speaking of the above, Tubba's kind of tough for me to place rn. Imo there's zero shame in getting your hands dirty, so I'd like to see you follow up on literally anything you see amiss! There's zero harm done in voting incorrectly, since we still have like a week or so to figure things out. There's a saying here I'm missing but it's better to like actually try rather than just be passive, yeah?
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Maybe I'm just nitpicking here, but which is it?
yea you're nitpicking
i was trying to compare the value of like several different votes and i think going with Voxx over Marko or anyone would have been less useful.
both are true even if they seem contradictory. vote, but like if you have multiple vote targets in mind think about the one that positively affects the gamestate the most
This was really helpful. Thanks. I think this makes Troba's town read of you look worse then. I know you initially liked her 53 but it reeks of being forced to me. And by 85 she had you as strong town.
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she just said she's usually pretty transparent with her alignment, how would that make having a strong read on her look worse?
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and noted empoof lmao. the darkest secret question was very deliberate in its formatting though, im trusting my 3rd Charka here but yea
mind if i pry into the specifics of what pushed me into the lock? thoughts on what i'm seeing on osie as well?
It's not specific if I'm honest. You're just hammering your perspective on the game well and I vibe with it as a true perspective. Also wimming out all those posts in a row with decent to good thought process is basically >rand villager or at least gives you d1 villager status and if you're wolfing I'll let you fatigue over time since you *probably* won't be able to keep it up or at least your perspective will slip at some point.
Dunno wrt osie, honestly I'm laying in bed right now and I only really skimmed his reads/posts when I read them the first time. His tone is basically what I expect from him, I hear all his posts in this robot text-to-voice speech he was doing in a VC with me before. Doesn't make him town or maf but that's literally all my thoughts on him. I'm not surprised to hear he gets scumread incorrectly sometimes and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets "caught for the wrong reasons" based on tone. I do think that he'll at least bring a logical perspective on the game and that over time (read as like multiple game days) it'll be easier to see if he's abusing some logic to push agendas more.
Not to say you shouldn't push on him today, maybe he'd make a great day 1 lynch. Just overall how I feel about him and get the feeling if I cracked down on his posts even in a super solid solving mood I'd probably end up with a rather null conclusion and want more information
btw anyone know how to ISO since i remember someone mentioning it? im responding to 203 and 205 in full (i wanted to address the Meaty Case Against Myself first) and i keep losing my spot/context for questions lmfao
im still kind of spacey rn and my chakras have been kind of fizzling lately sooo lmafo
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Okay, flat out, and yes, this will significantly affect my read on you:
Is the chakras/meditation thing serious or a posting gimmick?
it just feels like a really off-the-cuff kind of thing to question, like if he's scum he knows i'm town and that there's a perfectly reasonable explanation im about to fire. so like why bother asking when there's more Hot Topics to prod at? it cant really be a gotcha question since he's kind of softening it by saying he might be nitpicking so...
maybe im like applying my point of view into him too much and he operates like that as scum but thats why im not like. deeply or strongly townreading him. i would feel much better with more active play from him
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fair enough, i dont really have enough scum games under my belt to agree or disagree about whether or not that's within my scum range so i'll just take it.
i'll let osie simmer then for you internally. i kind of would like to have some more Discourse on this read specifically though because as I am right now I have like reasons to townread everyone sans the two lurkers and osie so? I think from a holistic sense that means I'm not reading the game critically enough since even *if* the team is objectively Ara/Markoj/Osie I'm not a good enough player to just see that instantly.
theres a few things i need to look back on as a result of this i think, this is the point where i should be listening to my townreads ^
if i dont run out of steam im gonna write up a to-do list for when my head is more clear and probably post it here too so people can see whats ruminating in my head (and ideally follow up on it LMFOA)
btw anyone know how to ISO since i remember someone mentioning it? im responding to 203 and 205 in full (i wanted to address the Meaty Case Against Myself first) and i keep losing my spot/context for questions lmfao
im still kind of spacey rn and my chakras have been kind of fizzling lately sooo lmafo
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Okay, flat out, and yes, this will significantly affect my read on you:
Is the chakras/meditation thing serious or a posting gimmick?
neither it's just a Thing. posting gimmick feels like it's specific to this game while thats just how i talk and explaining it requires a Lengthy Information Dump on Inside Jokes I Don't Even Consciously Think About Since These References are so Deeply Tied into my Lexicon.
im definitely hamming it up this game for Reasons (not related to role or flavor) but i wouldn't read into it lmfao.
titus/empoof/RE, do you guys feel like I'm in the wrong in thinking that how he's adjusting the strength of his read on me is not really town indicative? if i need to be more specific i'll try
I have a thought on this too, but I'll wait for the others to answer.
I've been loosely following along, will dig into this with a re-read probably sometime this weekend.
Think it's super likely there's at least 1 wolf between Ara and Marko given I'm townreading people actually posting, and possibly even both, which... would make me pretty sad.
Don't have anything all that spicy, but don't really feel the need to, either. 2 week phases are marathons, not sprints.
Possibly the strangest thing to me is how many irrelevant questions have been asked, about food, and basically anything not related to mafia. I'll try and form words about why it feels off to me on the re-read, and pay more attention to who is asking those questions. Not sure it's alignment indicative or not, but it just was jarring to read, because it's..artificial content maybe?
Hum.
I dunno. Titus is also jarring, but I expected that coming into the game. It's mostly a strong difference in valuation on the importance of D1.
Still think Ara probably rolled wolf here. Massive disconnect between stated excitement and hype and the excitement and hype they've put into playing the game. There was game related discussion/content going on at the time they made that post, I just really struggle to see them not digging in and engaging a bit rather than making a functionally throwaway post and dipping, if they really were excited to play.
btw anyone know how to ISO since i remember someone mentioning it? im responding to 203 and 205 in full (i wanted to address the Meaty Case Against Myself first) and i keep losing my spot/context for questions lmfao
im still kind of spacey rn and my chakras have been kind of fizzling lately sooo lmafo
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Okay, flat out, and yes, this will significantly affect my read on you:
Is the chakras/meditation thing serious or a posting gimmick?
neither it's just a Thing. posting gimmick feels like it's specific to this game while thats just how i talk and explaining it requires a Lengthy Information Dump on Inside Jokes I Don't Even Consciously Think About Since These References are so Deeply Tied into my Lexicon.
im definitely hamming it up this game for Reasons (not related to role or flavor) but i wouldn't read into it lmfao.
Okay.
Unvote, keeping you low in the list, but other people are lower.
Vote: Grape
In addition to your bad argument on RE, I really don't like that you're trying to quibble with my wording to make a push on me.
Unvote, keeping you low in the list, but other people are lower.
Vote: Grape
In addition to your bad argument on RE, I really don't like that you're trying to quibble with my wording to make a push on me.
puzzling
bad argument on RE? walk me through this. like you mean when i was like not super crazy about voting there or when i voted there in the first place? like i never really made a stance on him that was clear (i think he's pretty obviously town now for extremely clear and dynamic trajectory and scumhunting, if i need to elaborate on why i could but im also about to check out so it wont be instantaneous) so
also i have zero clue where wording is tying in here im mostly looking at what you're pushing and how. if i tried to read you through tone i'd get false positives super frequently and i can just tell through playstyle and the way you type. empoof mentioned this too and im just saying that I see you + i'm kin with you
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for anyone keeping track my to-do list was super boring and basically just boils down to sorting the titus/re/scarlet/grapefruit/empoof cloud of disagreement. like i feel like some of my townreads have incongruous reads with me and i feel like i sort of blinked and missed why that happened so i'll try to detective that ***** out when my third eye isnt clouded
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kin with voxx's post not much to add but just stating
voxx thoughts on os? you said you're townreading most people who are posting so idk if he counts, i'd probably vote Ara over Mark now that i'm less queasy about you so if there's some reason i should swing over this is the time to lmk whats up
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x'ing out this game now to sleep it's 3 am. even if i see a post as i'm posting that i immediately want to address i'm stating this so i resist that temptation to address it
see you all in what's probably 12 or more hours from now since i havent touched any of my calc work and *****'s Gonna Hit the Fan tuesday so i need to Get to That asap and im also going to sleep for a comedically long time again probably because it do be like that
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Fair enough. Yeah, he did seem a bit rattled. I actually don't know how he could have misinterpreted my post on low posters/lurkers. Or why he felt Scarlet's early posts were demotivated. But I also didn't see how Trob seemed nervous.
I know osie is good at scumming so I'm hesitant to scumread him off what he's said so far, even if his scumleans come off as shady, if that makes sense. But there could be external factors affecting his tone (which, ironically, reads to me as demotivated, or lacking in energy).
This was really helpful. Thanks. I think this makes Troba's town read of you look worse then. I know you initially liked her 53 but it reeks of being forced to me. And by 85 she had you as strong town.
Ahhh yeah you're right I definitely read SCelestial wrong on that one. Still think the questions are good overall though.
@SCelestial I particularly liked the one to Osie (which is the one RE discredited the most) it gets at Osie in a really good way. My "thing" wasn't explained at all and it is weird that Osie latched onto it. The questions to Foop, Trob, and Tammy were less insightful but were also things I was curious about.
@ScarletRage first are you Titus? I'm so confused right now. Second why are you so concerned about VC's at this stage of the game?
"not really scum reading SCelestial"
"'I want to leave my vote somewhere easy'"
I'm not voting Tubba anymore? I've been interacting with Foopme for some time? Is my vote placement actually something to be used against me when half the player base haven't actually voted for their scumreads?
I've never played with someone with your playstyle before. I'm tempted to try it.
vote: Grapefruit21
*cackles in villager*
If I sound very abrasive now, let me know and I'll stop. I'm actually having the time of my life.
Tbh, my playstyle usually has more resistance tbh. I rely heavily on VCA and data than personal interactions, but there's little day 1. I tend to be abrasive too.
The lack of group synergy and wagons is troubling me. We need those two missing slots. I hope Tubba votes as well.
I also think Grape's case on me has a sprinkle of TMI to it and might suggest I'm very off in who I've suspected.
Can you elaborate on your observations? What is the hypothetical TMI?
Say the Chinese are hyper punctual and join us?
>My read on Tubba is bad and it's just an easy place to keep my vote parked [False, I was voting Poofme]
>My attack on Scarlet but not voting her is an umbrella [Honestly, what does that even mean? I clearly addressed each one of her questions towards Osie and why I labeled most of them as "artificial"]
>I'm not being productive [I have townreads on Tammy and you to an extent. I've been pushing my scumreads, Scarlet and Poofme, for some time now. I've also questioned Trob, who was somewhat a gut town lean, but still has done questionable things I want addressed.]
He's focused strongly on my scumreads to case me. The not-being-productive part strongly relies on me being incorrect on my read and vote against Scarlet and Tubba (strangely enough he's attacked me more so for my read on Scarlet and less on Poofme).
Him calling out my criticism of Scarlet's questions as an "umbrella" is funny because labeling me as unproductive does the same exact thing. It's also funny he's using my vote placement as a reason to scumread me I think it may actually be less than half the player base is voting a player they actually suspect.
Of course, I may be reading too much into things. Grape being scum does not make Scarlet or Tubba town. I may be off on Grape and he's just experiencing a disconnect in style while scumreading me (not terribly likely considering I've played with him several times before).
Vote Grape
only because I know you do weird things with wagons
And marko is probably a villager
Possibly, but I have been watching with a more critical lens and reached a different conclusion (not saying yours is incorrect). Expressing scumreads usually is productive. Scarlet expressed similar hostility to me keeping my vote on MarkoRaj. I am currently floating a Scarlet Raj Grape theroem in my head but I am not sure if accurate or not.
No offense to the rest of you, I've enjoyed memeing with ya'll so far. Cool personalities.
I just know the game will get like immediately easier to solve for me when they are active in literally any way so my drive is sort of negative.
i know im not caught up at all but like no one commented on my osie vote from earlier, what's up w that people should be talking about this more
like this feels like a scummy disconnect from game events here, not really sure why they picked me specifically from a scum pov (buddy up to grapefruit??) but i think this tidbit on me especially feels kind of contrived, a lot like their earlier push on voxx
responses in bold in quote if that's not clear
im still kind of spacey rn and my chakras have been kind of fizzling lately sooo lmafo
nvm i figured it out wow!!
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anyway im still on page 5 i hope you all can forgive me uwu
Yeah that's fair wrt reads getting more solid. I just don't really think being self-contradictory in most instances or voting lurkers without much information at the stage where that was relevant are really anything scummy. It's a cliche that I wholeheartedly believe in that town is far more likely to contradict themselves anyway, scum have a narrative to keep track of! + like with that same reasoning scum don't really want to be seen making aimless votes too often unless they think theyre the type of person who can get away with it. Not really sure how you're profiling Titus (or if you even do like personality profiles internally) but yea. I don't think those are scumtells that really... point to scum. Personality/meta isn't my biggest concern here though it's always relevant.
About Grape, what's wrong with his waffling? I think it's fine, and not because he started to townread me. I liked how he questioned me in a way that felt like it was a real thought process (asking a direct question to jog through possibilities), and based on my response he went back on it.
hey i believe this but not actually digging into the meta here i dont know how to differentiate so im gonna crowdsource this:
people who've played with osie, am I scumreading them for NAI things? from what i know i'm specifically asking Tammy here but anyone else with insight that would be nice
if you need a sparknotes of what i'm seeing, a lot of the things they're pushing just kind of seem unfair and not really matching up with the context of the game. i think this sort of fake-scumhunting comes from a mindset in which is looking for things to push rather than trying to understand people, so to speak.
if they just Play Like That that'd help me re-calibrate a lot
Hey tammy
if you were me and had to pick someone from this playerlist to reveal your darkest secret to, who would it be and why?
if you really want me to i could like dissect what i like about scarlet's posts in a more logos-sense but it feels like a waste because 1. i don't find any of it objectionable which is why i've kind of have just let her be, 2. her first post was pretty townie even without meta context behind it, 3. i think most of people's concerns with like her questions are more symptomatic of her being newish (~1 year or less of mafia experience? i've been hilariously wrong about this before lmfao but thats just what i'm sensing) and havent really spoken up about it because no one is really pushing her for a lynch. interrupting people's pressure is kind of dumb to do and they'll see through her towniness more than likely
i did word it in a way that directly stated it was meta related whoops, forgot that when i replied to osie. this is why you self-iso when you're out of existence for 24 gotdam hours lmoaf
but like i've alluded to in my recent stream (mathdino if you see me right now i'm absolutely NOT sorry), i think it's kind of superficial to go after people for being self-contradictory and for naked votes. neither of these things are scummy in a vacuum, and i think it's doubly true for titus because those are just very titus-y things in general.
first question is good conceptually but it's way too vague for me to answer? in 77 i point to a direct post so idk what you're lacking here, and the empoof part is fairly clearly discussing a conversation spanning multiple points with a memorable subject. 85 for vox i refer to a direct post, tubba had only one post at the time, grapefruit i think it's clear what I mean? I dont want to like rebuff you but this would be easier if you could point out specific ppl you'd like to explain my read on - I recognize it might be clear for me and not clear for you which is like 100% valid ^^;
The Marko vote was basically an RVS vote. Most of the people posting I felt were town, and people whom I saw scum motive for were awful votes because my concerns could easily be allayed by them just waiting and seeing where they were going next (if, for example, I had voted Voxx it would have been a waste because I really liked their followup to their Ara scumread). As a result I went for the biggest wagon with a townread voting on it, which I think at that time was just 1 vote from Empoof? Plus it just worked out right since I didn't really want to vote anyone else.
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Speaking of the above, Tubba's kind of tough for me to place rn. Imo there's zero shame in getting your hands dirty, so I'd like to see you follow up on literally anything you see amiss! There's zero harm done in voting incorrectly, since we still have like a week or so to figure things out. There's a saying here I'm missing but it's better to like actually try rather than just be passive, yeah?
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also next time i fall behind would you guys rather i try to put everything together in 1 post? im like cringing as im posting this long-ass stream but it's also easier for me to do bc it's like 2 am and im scared of crashing mid-post and I know DAMn well that if i don't push myself to get in at least 1 (one) complete post that I'll just lose my flow with the game and flake out so
rock and a hard place etc. i think im at like 10 consecutive posts though :/
Also welcome to the lock have a nice time. We have snacks! I just ate all the chocolate almond cookies but there's still some oreos if you have a sweet tooth
In regards to the entrance, I did feel that I had less to work with than usual and I was kinda grasping at straws. In regards to being rattled, I was a little thrown by it, but that's more that I am in fact juggling way too many things at once. But now that this game has gotten started, should be more business as usual, especially since one of my other games is ending soon.
Yeah, this. Fos: Grape
You think I'm okay to just be chillin with that for the next like 2-3 life days?
Noticed people giving you the squinty eyes, looked like you responded by saying it happens often. If you haven't gone ham about it what's your personal take on your meta?
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she just said she's usually pretty transparent with her alignment, how would that make having a strong read on her look worse?
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and noted empoof lmao. the darkest secret question was very deliberate in its formatting though, im trusting my 3rd Charka here but yea
mind if i pry into the specifics of what pushed me into the lock? thoughts on what i'm seeing on osie as well?
Maybe I'm just nitpicking here, but which is it?
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ok..... you realize that like scarlet was also talking about her self-meta too, right? like that was the conversation at hand, and the second post (iirc this is 53) was a followup since scarlet asked about like my inconsistencies
not to be extra but like..... you all know how conversations work right :grimacing:
tbf i did kind of cringe at the amount i thoughtdumped but it still felt appropriate to write at the time and still feels normal to me
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i like the grape wagon's composition but im not really hot on it as a push. like i really felt like some of the ways he's talked about me (above and previous post for example) are bizarre but nothing out of the realm for town to feel. i especially feel like there's only one scum in grape/osie since i think the way osie is interacting with them is way too inconsistent to be from a partner (namely plus oneing them on me and then turning against them).
titus/empoof/RE, do you guys feel like I'm in the wrong in thinking that how he's adjusting the strength of his read on me is not really town indicative? if i need to be more specific i'll try
yea you're nitpicking
i was trying to compare the value of like several different votes and i think going with Voxx over Marko or anyone would have been less useful.
both are true even if they seem contradictory. vote, but like if you have multiple vote targets in mind think about the one that positively affects the gamestate the most
Dunno wrt osie, honestly I'm laying in bed right now and I only really skimmed his reads/posts when I read them the first time. His tone is basically what I expect from him, I hear all his posts in this robot text-to-voice speech he was doing in a VC with me before. Doesn't make him town or maf but that's literally all my thoughts on him. I'm not surprised to hear he gets scumread incorrectly sometimes and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets "caught for the wrong reasons" based on tone. I do think that he'll at least bring a logical perspective on the game and that over time (read as like multiple game days) it'll be easier to see if he's abusing some logic to push agendas more.
Not to say you shouldn't push on him today, maybe he'd make a great day 1 lynch. Just overall how I feel about him and get the feeling if I cracked down on his posts even in a super solid solving mood I'd probably end up with a rather null conclusion and want more information
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Okay, flat out, and yes, this will significantly affect my read on you:
Is the chakras/meditation thing serious or a posting gimmick?
it just feels like a really off-the-cuff kind of thing to question, like if he's scum he knows i'm town and that there's a perfectly reasonable explanation im about to fire. so like why bother asking when there's more Hot Topics to prod at? it cant really be a gotcha question since he's kind of softening it by saying he might be nitpicking so...
maybe im like applying my point of view into him too much and he operates like that as scum but thats why im not like. deeply or strongly townreading him. i would feel much better with more active play from him
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fair enough, i dont really have enough scum games under my belt to agree or disagree about whether or not that's within my scum range so i'll just take it.
i'll let osie simmer then for you internally. i kind of would like to have some more Discourse on this read specifically though because as I am right now I have like reasons to townread everyone sans the two lurkers and osie so? I think from a holistic sense that means I'm not reading the game critically enough since even *if* the team is objectively Ara/Markoj/Osie I'm not a good enough player to just see that instantly.
theres a few things i need to look back on as a result of this i think, this is the point where i should be listening to my townreads ^
if i dont run out of steam im gonna write up a to-do list for when my head is more clear and probably post it here too so people can see whats ruminating in my head (and ideally follow up on it LMFOA)
neither it's just a Thing. posting gimmick feels like it's specific to this game while thats just how i talk and explaining it requires a Lengthy Information Dump on Inside Jokes I Don't Even Consciously Think About Since These References are so Deeply Tied into my Lexicon.
im definitely hamming it up this game for Reasons (not related to role or flavor) but i wouldn't read into it lmfao.
I have a thought on this too, but I'll wait for the others to answer.
Think it's super likely there's at least 1 wolf between Ara and Marko given I'm townreading people actually posting, and possibly even both, which... would make me pretty sad.
Don't have anything all that spicy, but don't really feel the need to, either. 2 week phases are marathons, not sprints.
Possibly the strangest thing to me is how many irrelevant questions have been asked, about food, and basically anything not related to mafia. I'll try and form words about why it feels off to me on the re-read, and pay more attention to who is asking those questions. Not sure it's alignment indicative or not, but it just was jarring to read, because it's..artificial content maybe?
Hum.
I dunno. Titus is also jarring, but I expected that coming into the game. It's mostly a strong difference in valuation on the importance of D1.
Still think Ara probably rolled wolf here. Massive disconnect between stated excitement and hype and the excitement and hype they've put into playing the game. There was game related discussion/content going on at the time they made that post, I just really struggle to see them not digging in and engaging a bit rather than making a functionally throwaway post and dipping, if they really were excited to play.
It's just really jarring.
Okay.
Unvote, keeping you low in the list, but other people are lower.
Vote: Grape
In addition to your bad argument on RE, I really don't like that you're trying to quibble with my wording to make a push on me.
puzzling
bad argument on RE? walk me through this. like you mean when i was like not super crazy about voting there or when i voted there in the first place? like i never really made a stance on him that was clear (i think he's pretty obviously town now for extremely clear and dynamic trajectory and scumhunting, if i need to elaborate on why i could but im also about to check out so it wont be instantaneous) so
also i have zero clue where wording is tying in here im mostly looking at what you're pushing and how. if i tried to read you through tone i'd get false positives super frequently and i can just tell through playstyle and the way you type. empoof mentioned this too and im just saying that I see you + i'm kin with you
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for anyone keeping track my to-do list was super boring and basically just boils down to sorting the titus/re/scarlet/grapefruit/empoof cloud of disagreement. like i feel like some of my townreads have incongruous reads with me and i feel like i sort of blinked and missed why that happened so i'll try to detective that ***** out when my third eye isnt clouded
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kin with voxx's post not much to add but just stating
voxx thoughts on os? you said you're townreading most people who are posting so idk if he counts, i'd probably vote Ara over Mark now that i'm less queasy about you so if there's some reason i should swing over this is the time to lmk whats up
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x'ing out this game now to sleep it's 3 am. even if i see a post as i'm posting that i immediately want to address i'm stating this so i resist that temptation to address it
see you all in what's probably 12 or more hours from now since i havent touched any of my calc work and *****'s Gonna Hit the Fan tuesday so i need to Get to That asap and im also going to sleep for a comedically long time again probably because it do be like that