Would you mind going over your read on me while I do that?
I think I'll have a much better feel on you and be able to lock you, or at least be more confident on you as the day progresses but sure; Think your play so far for the most part has been you trying to live in the thread, get reads and interact with people in a way that's just you as town genuinely trying to gamesolve. I really liked your interaction with Vaimes re; LW, the depth of reasoning behind the read and it all being very followable in Post 97 your frustration with Vaimes lack of response to the read in 103 are both good signs.
I'm headtilting a bit at the last paragraph on your reasoning behind scum reading Rhand in 120 though, I think his "buddying" comment makes plenty of sense for someone that doesn't know you as a player, or doesn't know the connection between You-Shadow, in that it's you talking and being happy with lots of players in the early game; I don't think it's scum-motivated for someone to do that in general, I know it's not for you in particular, but I don't think it's an unreasonable thought for someone to have. The "Mindmeld" comment is the one I'm ??????? at the most, because I'll frequently like/town read people I mindmeld with all the time, I don't think it's something scum do alone nor more often. I also think his mindmeld is a specific thing here re; him thinking w/w is possible between you two, like the way I've read it is Rhand thinks Shadow/You could be W/W, LW comes in and has the same thought, Rhand town reads LW for having a mindmeld/similar thought, I think that's a fairly natural and logical progression and not a scum-tell?
shadow has seemed really loose, which feels like a good thing. I liked the self-deprecating way he townread me in 29. I liked that he asked me to come back in 37, because it felt like he genuinely wanted to interact with me and I think it would have been intuitive to just say goodbye there as mafia. I liked that he made a joke about his tendency to get copped N1 as mafia in 41 (this is actually just me liking that he's loose). I liked the way he responded to sheep's read on me in 42, because it felt like there was no angle there at all. I liked that he called sheep hedge-y in a throwaway manner in 49 (this is again actually just me liking that he's loose). I could keep linking more but yeah I've liked basically all his interactions with me for pretty similar reasons. I even like the awkwardness of "Gemma!! Why am I not confirmed town??", and I somehow feel like he might be a bit less creepy about me and Lissa there if he were mafia (dunno why exactly). I like the way he stated his Lissa read and the reasoning for it. I liked that he made a random not w/w read in 121 because it didn't feel like an intuitive thing for mafia to post there.
I like his response to my case in 123 and 125. Uh I realize I'm not actually giving reasoning here so much as just highlighting posts and maybe that's unhelpful to you but a lot of it is tonal and just liking the way he positioning himself I guess? I like the way he expresses his read on me in 135, it doesn't feel remotely pocket-y. I liked the way he responded to being pushed on that in 139 and the follow-up in 140 and 147.
shadow and I have always been wolves together (including this game), but I'm familiar with his tone, I guess?
Was under the impression you've spec'ed some of his games and had a decent feel on how to read him which is why I wanted you to talk about hi a bit since I'm not sure how serious your town read on him is, and would have liked you to elaborate on that before I touched on my read on him ideally.
I've actually got a few concerns with some of his play so far. I think most of his early game posting and interacting with you is fairly NAI in that it's just playful interactions (If you two were different players I'd have locked you in as hard W/W based on them, but I'm a little more cautious re; you given I know you know how much I base the game and world building around trusting hard not W/W worlds and I think if you two were scum, trying to get me to read you not W/W early on would 100% be a focus) but his "You're being too hedgy" thing to Sheep inside ~Post 51 felt very fake and not like real thoughts? Like, he's asked Sheep for thoughts on page 1 of the game when there's nearly no content and posts, almost any thoughts given at that stage are going to be weak and 'hedgy' sounding, so to bring that afterwards feels like a push for the sake of a push?
See I didn't think that was actually a push that he was making at all. Like maybe because you also said this there's something to it, I dunno, but I didn't get the sense that he was doing any more than a playful teasing type comment.
I don't get the locking us w/w thing at all? Like, I know you don't do w/w stuff very much because of false positives so how is that real sorry? Explain please.
I have spectated him more than I've played with him and I've seen him as town but mostly just as a wolf and it's different playing with someone anyway.
Hey sheep, Well. I’m thinking we probably both rolled town in this game. I’m also liking Latewhisper but since I don’t have any meta knowledge of them, I’ll have to wait and see. Gemma seems to be trying a bit too hard to prove she’s town but it’s maybe NAI. No actual scumreads yet.
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Would you mind going over your read on me while I do that?
I think I'll have a much better feel on you and be able to lock you, or at least be more confident on you as the day progresses but sure; Think your play so far for the most part has been you trying to live in the thread, get reads and interact with people in a way that's just you as town genuinely trying to gamesolve. I really liked your interaction with Vaimes re; LW, the depth of reasoning behind the read and it all being very followable in Post 97 your frustration with Vaimes lack of response to the read in 103 are both good signs.
I'm headtilting a bit at the last paragraph on your reasoning behind scum reading Rhand in 120 though, I think his "buddying" comment makes plenty of sense for someone that doesn't know you as a player, or doesn't know the connection between You-Shadow, in that it's you talking and being happy with lots of players in the early game; I don't think it's scum-motivated for someone to do that in general, I know it's not for you in particular, but I don't think it's an unreasonable thought for someone to have. The "Mindmeld" comment is the one I'm ??????? at the most, because I'll frequently like/town read people I mindmeld with all the time, I don't think it's something scum do alone nor more often. I also think his mindmeld is a specific thing here re; him thinking w/w is possible between you two, like the way I've read it is Rhand thinks Shadow/You could be W/W, LW comes in and has the same thought, Rhand town reads LW for having a mindmeld/similar thought, I think that's a fairly natural and logical progression and not a scum-tell?
Am not commenting on this until Rhand and others have responded, but thanks. Am a little surprised you're not more weirded out by me, but sure, I guess you've known me long enough to not be surprised by any amount of weird ***** by now, sigh.
Re: Killjoy, I think mentioning Rhand and shadow twice in that post is mafia indicative. I think "I do agree here" is mafia indicative. I think the alternation of active->passive->active voice is mafia indicative. I think "a bit" is mafia indicative. It really should be predicative.
Nod, can follow/agree with a fair bit of this, particularly the tonal difference in the post felt weird. Thanks for the explanation on Shadow, can follow the read even if I disagree with some of it, the thing I agree with the most though is that I liked his response re; Vaimes comments on you, the progression there felt fairly natural? I'd agree with the "loose" thing about his play here, I just don't know if that's an AI thing for him given he enjoys being scum and I think he'd enjoy having another crack of trying to beat me here if he's scum so I'm pretty hesitant to read into that?
Hum, see I read his interaction with Sheep as, ask question, get answer, respond to answer unreasonably in a way where he's not really assessing Sheeps response in a "Hunt for alignment way", it's possible it's just him trying to get the game moving and conversation going but it was one of the more noticable things for me when reading through the thread in a "I've seen scum open in a find someone to push way like this before", albeit you're not wrong that he didn't really do a lot of actually pushing on it so it's possible I'm reading too much into it.
I don't get the locking us w/w thing at all? Like, I know you don't do w/w stuff very much because of false positives so how is that real sorry? Explain please.
Think you've misunderstood what I'm saying completely here. If you & Shadow were different players, I'd have locked you guys as Not W/W based on your earlier interactions and things about each other this game, but since you're you and I know that you two would realise the best way to beat me is to have me have an incorrect Not W/W read, I'm a little more cautious in ruling you two out as a pairing.
I need many more day phases to read Gemma... like shes so spastic, and way more bubbly then she was in Arkham, like I almost think I should spew clear her as town, on the other hand, a part of me thinks she is just active wolving...
like she pushes me, than I tell her that her point is bad, and she pulls back
almost like shes trying to throw out claims till something sticks
I dont see my self as a superficial reader, to me it feels like you came into this game thinking this was the best play to look townie, and just cant fathom someone thinking the way you are posting this game could be scummy
Shadow
what is up with the parenthesis, I feel like you and Gemma are mocking me...
dont like this buddy/buddy you two got going this game, its creepy
It's funny. shadow/Vaimes/me was actually my dream team coming into this.
Alas.
I got nancy and Regfan instead.
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I’ve never interacted with you before.
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Do know you a little bit, yes. And sure, happy to wait for Rhand to respond before you post, I've got to go now anyway.
@Nancy - Talk to me about the "Gemma is trying too hard to prove she's town" comment since it feels like words for the sake of words, like, what's your read on specific things she's done this game? And "no scum reads so far" is eh, is there /anything/ that /anyone/ has done that you think is more likely to come from mafia? Not expecting "super strong" confident town reads at this point, but I think it's pretty hard to have /no/ thoughts when it comes to it.
I need many more day phases to read Gemma... like shes so spastic, and way more bubbly then she was in Arkham, like I almost think I should spew clear her as town, on the other hand, a part of me thinks she is just active wolving...
like she pushes me, than I tell her that her point is bad, and she pulls back
almost like shes trying to throw out claims till something sticks
I dont see my self as a superficial reader, to me it feels like you came into this game thinking this was the best play to look townie, and just cant fathom someone thinking the way you are posting this game could be scummy
Shadow
what is up with the parenthesis, I feel like you and Gemma are mocking me...
dont like this buddy/buddy you two got going this game, its creepy
It's funny. shadow/Vaimes/me was actually my dream team coming into this.
Do know you a little bit, yes. And sure, happy to wait for Rhand to respond before you post, I've got to go now anyway.
@Nancy - Talk to me about the "Gemma is trying too hard to prove she's town" comment since it feels like words for the sake of words, like, what's your read on specific things she's done this game? And "no scum reads so far" is eh, is there /anything/ that /anyone/ has done that you think is more likely to come from mafia? Not expecting "super strong" confident town reads at this point, but I think it's pretty hard to have /no/ thoughts when it comes to it.
Well, there was a couple of posts early on, where she pretty much devoted the entire posts to swearing up and down how towny she was and now, she refers to herself as “confirmed town”. I prefer it when posters let you determine that for itself. Sheep for example appears towny based on content, not because he feels it necessary to keep saying it constantly. Well, I’m not at all familiar with the playerbase. Shadow may remember me or not from a Pirate game where I sucked really bad and had to replace out but sheep is really the only one in this game I’ve had much experience playing with. I usually don’t have strong scumreads early day 1 but I’ve correctly nailed scum in approximately 70% of my games, so that will inevitably change. I’m usually better at formulating townreads at this point in the game.
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Do know you a little bit, yes. And sure, happy to wait for Rhand to respond before you post, I've got to go now anyway.
@Nancy - Talk to me about the "Gemma is trying too hard to prove she's town" comment since it feels like words for the sake of words, like, what's your read on specific things she's done this game? And "no scum reads so far" is eh, is there /anything/ that /anyone/ has done that you think is more likely to come from mafia? Not expecting "super strong" confident town reads at this point, but I think it's pretty hard to have /no/ thoughts when it comes to it.
Well, there was a couple of posts early on, where she pretty much devoted the entire posts to swearing up and down how towny she was and now, she refers to herself as “confirmed town”. I prefer it when posters let you determine that for itself. Sheep for example appears towny based on content, not because he feels it necessary to keep saying it constantly. Well, I’m not at all familiar with the playerbase. Shadow may remember me or not from a Pirate game where I sucked really bad and had to replace out but sheep is really the only one in this game I’ve had much experience playing with. I usually don’t have strong scumreads early day 1 but I’ve correctly nailed scum in approximately 70% of my games, so that will inevitably change. I’m usually better at formulating townreads at this point in the game.
Shadow: What do you think of Sheep's vote on you on the end of page one? You specifically didn't like... reflexively react to it, then just started calling it hedgy. So expand on that if you would please. You saw the vote and ______.
and thought “that is not at all what I would have expected from sheep based on the lead up posts.” But like, it wasn’t just the vote post that was hedgy, it was little tidbits riddled into all of sheeps posts, which kind of made me think it was more of a play style thing than a “scum qualifying their statements” thing.
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Shadow: What do you think of Rhand->Gemma? The way he is interacting with her, and to a lesser extent how they are interacting together?
I mean, Gemma is my top town read and Rhand is my most suspected, and a lot of that is their back and forth (plus I like Gemma’s breakdown, still waiting to see Rhand’s response). I don’t particularly buy the scum read he purports to have of her.
Gemma!! Why am I not confirmed town?? Also, walk me through that Rhand read, his questions seem innocuous imo.
Who are you, because you ain't shadow.
Hi, I’m Shadow, when have we actually played together (last game I can think of was Silence of the lambs)?
Also, fwiw, aside from my champs game (which doesn’t count) I haven’t played Mafia since day 1 of Arkham (day 2 was me trolling) so I am like, incredibly excited to be in a game again.
I’m not trying to “imply” anything, it’s a T/S list.I kinda like the reg/Gemma back and forth, but I don’t think I can put much stock in it, as a good chunk of it is about me among other reasons.
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Hey Nancy, I vaguely remember that you were in pirates. Also Vote Nancy Drew
Give me your three strongest reads with reasons please.
What don’t you like about the phrase “I’m confirmed town”?
im still null on most people, soem of regfan's reasons for townreading me felt a bit reachy eg townreading my openin post which was like oh i wish i randed wolf
I think one huge issue with my play is that I don't like to think too much about scum ranges for people, because often I end up unintentionally exaggerating them to the point of basically never being able to Get There on townreading them if they're town.
It's like having a permanent voice in your head constantly going "yes they did [super] towny thing xyz, but they could still be scum" and not being able to shut it off or reason with it.
I'm going to read and think about his posts, but I think most of what I learn about his alignment is going to come from things happening around him.
That is my "how Vaimes reads scary plays" meta dump for now.
I'm mostly just posting this because I'm dreading rereading all of his walls.
I think I actually like Regfan? He seems productive, getting his foot in the door. I see no signs of a scum-flavored push as of yet, and I got some useful antialignments off his posting (he's not with Gemma or shadow, and I'm side-eyeing them pretty hard).
I'm not really there yet on Gemma and am actually kind of torn. Activity and bounciness look good, but I'm worried it's being used as a buffer to get townread early and minimize being scumread because of how much she doesn't like rolling scum. Tossing out a ton of townreads like Halloween candy is a little off-putting. Her Killjoy thing looks completely fabricated, especially the "I think the alternation of active->passive->active voice is mafia indicative" part.
@Regfan Could you dig a little deeper re: Gemma's thoughts on Killjoy? I can understand it being tonally off, but I want to know specifically if you agree with the word/voice tells. Also why did you post your KJ thoughts before Gemma after asking her about him?
I'm tinfoiling Lissa/Gemma because I combed through Gemma's ISO and she makes no mention of preferring scum, or answering shadow's question at all. Leaning more scum on Lissa though; she fluffs a bit before making an Actual Post, and I dislike that her first/only read is a pretty obvious/consensus one. Her other posts after that just looks like a bunch of words rather than attempts to solve.
I can't really put my shadow read into words. He's kinda creeping me out.
Hey Rhand, this would be the game to cop me N1 in, or you know, fake cop me if you're scum. I wouldn't mind
I've been thinking about this post for like half an hour and still can't make any sense of it (especially the "fake cop me if you're scum" part), even as a joke. Joking about being Copped when Rhand made no mention of shadow feels like a scum joke, but I could just be missing some backstory?
I should probably move Rhand to gray but I'm l a z y.
I'm tinfoiling Lissa/Gemma because I combed through Gemma's ISO and she makes no mention of preferring scum, or answering shadow's question at all. Leaning more scum on Lissa though; she fluffs a bit before making an Actual Post, and I dislike that her first/only read is a pretty obvious/consensus one. Her other posts after that just looks like a bunch of words rather than attempts to solve.
Is this like... supposed to be remarkable?
And no that's not my only read I have like four I've posted about now, mostly in that post you called "a bunch of words".
Which I mean, you can say just looks like a bunch of words if you want, but saying there aren't more reads in there is just inaccurate?
I'm tinfoiling Lissa/Gemma because I combed through Gemma's ISO and she makes no mention of preferring scum, or answering shadow's question at all. Leaning more scum on Lissa though; she fluffs a bit before making an Actual Post, and I dislike that her first/only read is a pretty obvious/consensus one. Her other posts after that just looks like a bunch of words rather than attempts to solve.
Is this like... supposed to be remarkable?
And no that's not my only read I have like four I've posted about now, mostly in that post you called "a bunch of words".
Which I mean, you can say just looks like a bunch of words if you want, but saying there aren't more reads in there is just inaccurate?
Could be. I don't know what it means for you, so I pointed it out.
Could you tell me what those reads are? Your "bunch of words" has a lot of backtracking and no actual reads.
Read on Gemma is personality and not alignment; you read a bunch of posts and thought that something might be there but couldn't get anything out of it; you thought Gemma/shadow was v/v but started thinking one of them could be a sponging wolf; you thought Wheat was town for pointing out something you agreed with but then were confused about something; you liked Wheat/LW's posts but are paranoid about something.
There are no reads there, no final-ish destination for any of the players you mention.
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uhhm Shadow's post comes from Arhkam, because in that game, Rhand got a red check on Shadow N1
And it was freaking the third night 1 investigative role went against me in 3 back to back scum games. ZE, tiny hunt 8(?), And then Arkham. I swear, I’m never going to have a good scum game again.
Apparently I shouldn’t take so much time away from Mafia because I get so enthusiastic that like 7 people all think I’m creepy (exaggeration). I’m just excited okay?
I'm tinfoiling Lissa/Gemma because I combed through Gemma's ISO and she makes no mention of preferring scum, or answering shadow's question at all. Leaning more scum on Lissa though; she fluffs a bit before making an Actual Post, and I dislike that her first/only read is a pretty obvious/consensus one. Her other posts after that just looks like a bunch of words rather than attempts to solve.
Is this like... supposed to be remarkable?
And no that's not my only read I have like four I've posted about now, mostly in that post you called "a bunch of words".
Which I mean, you can say just looks like a bunch of words if you want, but saying there aren't more reads in there is just inaccurate?
Could be. I don't know what it means for you, so I pointed it out.
Could you tell me what those reads are? Your "bunch of words" has a lot of backtracking and no actual reads.
Read on Gemma is personality and not alignment; you read a bunch of posts and thought that something might be there but couldn't get anything out of it; you thought Gemma/shadow was v/v but started thinking one of them could be a sponging wolf; you thought Wheat was town for pointing out something you agreed with but then were confused about something; you liked Wheat/LW's posts but are paranoid about something.
There are no reads there, no final-ish destination for any of the players you mention.
Uh.
Not sure which end the confusion comes from, probably some of both, but that's wildly different than what I was intending to say.
Where you reference Gemma/shadow that was about LW/Wheat. I already had a villa read on LW, and on top of that thought both of the lines independently were a generally villagery thing but something felt off about the way they were interacting over it. Like I thought I couldn't figure out what felt notable to me about it but then I did, sort of.
The thing where I was going to call Wheat a villager was because I thought he was the first one to bring it up and thus hadn't been bouncing off LW in saying it. Then when I was like... about to post that I read over the stuff once more and realized I missed a post and it was just sort of disorienting at the point I'd gotten in the "it's not there" line of thought.
It definitely wasn't me agreeing with him anywhere in there and I'm really confused about where that comes from.
The read result there was that my townread on LW was strengthened and I have somewhat of a wolfread on Wheat.
I guess the other read wasn't actually in that post but I villaread Rhand after that.
You said And I thought Wheat was the first person to bring up that read and wrote up a thing about how he was probably a villager which I interpreted as you agreeing with the thing Wheat brought up, since you were going to townread him for it.
I never would have come out of your ISO thinking you scumread Wheat (and townread Rhand :V). Could you talk more about those, or your thoughts on Gemma now that you are leaning town on someone she scumcased?
You said And I thought Wheat was the first person to bring up that read and wrote up a thing about how he was probably a villager which I interpreted as you agreeing with the thing Wheat brought up, since you were going to townread him for it.
I never would have come out of your ISO thinking you scumread Wheat (and townread Rhand :V). Could you talk more about those, or your thoughts on Gemma now that you are leaning town on someone she scumcased?
I don't understand how the assumption is agreeing especially in context, I mentioned how I find the type of read I was referring to >>rand villager in general and if he brought it up first my concerns about the interaction thing were a nonissue I think it fairly straightforwardly follows from there but it's not really worth fixating on further. Why would I townread him because I agreed with him?
I was pretty explicit about the Rhand read in the post after that so I'm not sure how that's difficult to understand; the Wheat thing being pretty ambiguous at the end is fair though.
What I was attempting to communicate was that I think with the timing and abruptness of Wheat starting off on that post I do think it looks like a wolf using LW's read to bounce off.
I don't really have any new thoughts on Gemma that extend from having the Rhand read, it was a reasonable case regardless of what Rhans actually is.
Rhand: You...were gonna RVS vote me but then decided to vote Gemma because she quadruple posted?
What?
Shadow: What do you think of Sheep's vote on you on the end of page one? You specifically didn't like... reflexively react to it, then just started calling it hedgy. So expand on that if you would please. You saw the vote and ______.
Gemma: Right. I remember you. I recall the reason I townread you was mostly tone? I think? Not gonna do that again for sure.
Rhand: Do yuo have any other reason to note as to why LW is town? Besides just mindmeld?
Shadow: What do you think of Rhand->Gemma? The way he is interacting with her, and to a lesser extent how they are interacting together?
I also think the first question/comment toward Rhand in there attempts to imply way more depth/nuance than I feel like actually makes sense for something that... straightforward. Like I don't know what more there really would be to say about that.
I think I'll have a much better feel on you and be able to lock you, or at least be more confident on you as the day progresses but sure; Think your play so far for the most part has been you trying to live in the thread, get reads and interact with people in a way that's just you as town genuinely trying to gamesolve. I really liked your interaction with Vaimes re; LW, the depth of reasoning behind the read and it all being very followable in Post 97 your frustration with Vaimes lack of response to the read in 103 are both good signs.
I'm headtilting a bit at the last paragraph on your reasoning behind scum reading Rhand in 120 though, I think his "buddying" comment makes plenty of sense for someone that doesn't know you as a player, or doesn't know the connection between You-Shadow, in that it's you talking and being happy with lots of players in the early game; I don't think it's scum-motivated for someone to do that in general, I know it's not for you in particular, but I don't think it's an unreasonable thought for someone to have. The "Mindmeld" comment is the one I'm ??????? at the most, because I'll frequently like/town read people I mindmeld with all the time, I don't think it's something scum do alone nor more often. I also think his mindmeld is a specific thing here re; him thinking w/w is possible between you two, like the way I've read it is Rhand thinks Shadow/You could be W/W, LW comes in and has the same thought, Rhand town reads LW for having a mindmeld/similar thought, I think that's a fairly natural and logical progression and not a scum-tell?
I like his response to my case in 123 and 125. Uh I realize I'm not actually giving reasoning here so much as just highlighting posts and maybe that's unhelpful to you but a lot of it is tonal and just liking the way he positioning himself I guess? I like the way he expresses his read on me in 135, it doesn't feel remotely pocket-y. I liked the way he responded to being pushed on that in 139 and the follow-up in 140 and 147.
I can talk more about any of that, just ask.
See I didn't think that was actually a push that he was making at all. Like maybe because you also said this there's something to it, I dunno, but I didn't get the sense that he was doing any more than a playful teasing type comment.
I don't get the locking us w/w thing at all? Like, I know you don't do w/w stuff very much because of false positives so how is that real sorry? Explain please.
I have spectated him more than I've played with him and I've seen him as town but mostly just as a wolf and it's different playing with someone anyway.
Hey sheep, Well. I’m thinking we probably both rolled town in this game. I’m also liking Latewhisper but since I don’t have any meta knowledge of them, I’ll have to wait and see. Gemma seems to be trying a bit too hard to prove she’s town but it’s maybe NAI. No actual scumreads yet.
Am not commenting on this until Rhand and others have responded, but thanks. Am a little surprised you're not more weirded out by me, but sure, I guess you've known me long enough to not be surprised by any amount of weird ***** by now, sigh.
Nod, can follow/agree with a fair bit of this, particularly the tonal difference in the post felt weird. Thanks for the explanation on Shadow, can follow the read even if I disagree with some of it, the thing I agree with the most though is that I liked his response re; Vaimes comments on you, the progression there felt fairly natural? I'd agree with the "loose" thing about his play here, I just don't know if that's an AI thing for him given he enjoys being scum and I think he'd enjoy having another crack of trying to beat me here if he's scum so I'm pretty hesitant to read into that?
Hum, see I read his interaction with Sheep as, ask question, get answer, respond to answer unreasonably in a way where he's not really assessing Sheeps response in a "Hunt for alignment way", it's possible it's just him trying to get the game moving and conversation going but it was one of the more noticable things for me when reading through the thread in a "I've seen scum open in a find someone to push way like this before", albeit you're not wrong that he didn't really do a lot of actually pushing on it so it's possible I'm reading too much into it.
Think you've misunderstood what I'm saying completely here. If you & Shadow were different players, I'd have locked you guys as Not W/W based on your earlier interactions and things about each other this game, but since you're you and I know that you two would realise the best way to beat me is to have me have an incorrect Not W/W read, I'm a little more cautious in ruling you two out as a pairing.
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I’ve never interacted with you before.
I mean, he's like 5 above at best, so yeah I'm leveling the **** out of my read on him and always will be.
@Nancy - Talk to me about the "Gemma is trying too hard to prove she's town" comment since it feels like words for the sake of words, like, what's your read on specific things she's done this game? And "no scum reads so far" is eh, is there /anything/ that /anyone/ has done that you think is more likely to come from mafia? Not expecting "super strong" confident town reads at this point, but I think it's pretty hard to have /no/ thoughts when it comes to it.
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Alright I'll just go cry in the corner then. Bye.
Based on what? And how are you “confirmed town”?
You dipped in and out of thread without commenting on anything.
Well, there was a couple of posts early on, where she pretty much devoted the entire posts to swearing up and down how towny she was and now, she refers to herself as “confirmed town”. I prefer it when posters let you determine that for itself. Sheep for example appears towny based on content, not because he feels it necessary to keep saying it constantly. Well, I’m not at all familiar with the playerbase. Shadow may remember me or not from a Pirate game where I sucked really bad and had to replace out but sheep is really the only one in this game I’ve had much experience playing with. I usually don’t have strong scumreads early day 1 but I’ve correctly nailed scum in approximately 70% of my games, so that will inevitably change. I’m usually better at formulating townreads at this point in the game.
Hello, fellow townie.
Also, fwiw, aside from my champs game (which doesn’t count) I haven’t played Mafia since day 1 of Arkham (day 2 was me trolling) so I am like, incredibly excited to be in a game again. I’m not trying to “imply” anything, it’s a T/S list.
I kinda like the reg/Gemma back and forth, but I don’t think I can put much stock in it, as a good chunk of it is about me among other reasons.
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Hey Nancy, I vaguely remember that you were in pirates. Also
Vote Nancy Drew
Give me your three strongest reads with reasons please.
What don’t you like about the phrase “I’m confirmed town”?
Not a good day for me to post but this will be the first game I've ever played with Wheat
I don’t suppose I’ll get away with townreading Reg for walls and moving on.
Did you read Jurrassic Park adventure 2? Cause that's your answer.
nancy drew is gun to my head town
I’ll be the first to remind everyone this Jurassic Mafia exists. I’m still salty.
But permanently side-eyeing Reg for it is both unfair and exhausting, so my new approach is Wait And See.
someone saying it's genuine is ok
regfan going dont think wolf would openly say that is ehh
It's like having a permanent voice in your head constantly going "yes they did [super] towny thing xyz, but they could still be scum" and not being able to shut it off or reason with it.
I'm going to read and think about his posts, but I think most of what I learn about his alignment is going to come from things happening around him.
That is my "how Vaimes reads scary plays" meta dump for now.
I'm mostly just posting this because I'm dreading rereading all of his walls.
I think I actually like Regfan? He seems productive, getting his foot in the door. I see no signs of a scum-flavored push as of yet, and I got some useful antialignments off his posting (he's not with Gemma or shadow, and I'm side-eyeing them pretty hard).
I'm not really there yet on Gemma and am actually kind of torn. Activity and bounciness look good, but I'm worried it's being used as a buffer to get townread early and minimize being scumread because of how much she doesn't like rolling scum. Tossing out a ton of townreads like Halloween candy is a little off-putting. Her Killjoy thing looks completely fabricated, especially the "I think the alternation of active->passive->active voice is mafia indicative" part.
@Regfan Could you dig a little deeper re: Gemma's thoughts on Killjoy? I can understand it being tonally off, but I want to know specifically if you agree with the word/voice tells. Also why did you post your KJ thoughts before Gemma after asking her about him?
I'm tinfoiling Lissa/Gemma because I combed through Gemma's ISO and she makes no mention of preferring scum, or answering shadow's question at all. Leaning more scum on Lissa though; she fluffs a bit before making an Actual Post, and I dislike that her first/only read is a pretty obvious/consensus one. Her other posts after that just looks like a bunch of words rather than attempts to solve.
I can't really put my shadow read into words. He's kinda creeping me out.
No words on other players.
Yerp.
Vaimes
Sheepysaysmeep
LastWhisper
Regfan
[Gemma]
Wheat_Grinder
Killjoy
Roz_the_evee
Nancy Drew 39
Rhand
Lissa [and Gemma?]
ShadowLancer
I've been thinking about this post for like half an hour and still can't make any sense of it (especially the "fake cop me if you're scum" part), even as a joke. Joking about being Copped when Rhand made no mention of shadow feels like a scum joke, but I could just be missing some backstory?
I should probably move Rhand to gray but I'm l a z y.
No?
Sheep said it.
uhhm Shadow's post comes from Arhkam, because in that game, Rhand got a red check on Shadow N1
Is this like... supposed to be remarkable?
And no that's not my only read I have like four I've posted about now, mostly in that post you called "a bunch of words".
Which I mean, you can say just looks like a bunch of words if you want, but saying there aren't more reads in there is just inaccurate?
meep thing checks out.
Arkham thing is okay, but boo unexplained references boo. I spent way too long thinking about that.
And oh my freaking goodness this quotes to bottom of page “feature” is going to make me kill something.
She did after I commented on Sheep's post about it yeah.
Could you tell me what those reads are? Your "bunch of words" has a lot of backtracking and no actual reads.
Read on Gemma is personality and not alignment; you read a bunch of posts and thought that something might be there but couldn't get anything out of it; you thought Gemma/shadow was v/v but started thinking one of them could be a sponging wolf; you thought Wheat was town for pointing out something you agreed with but then were confused about something; you liked Wheat/LW's posts but are paranoid about something.
There are no reads there, no final-ish destination for any of the players you mention.
Uh.
Not sure which end the confusion comes from, probably some of both, but that's wildly different than what I was intending to say.
Where you reference Gemma/shadow that was about LW/Wheat. I already had a villa read on LW, and on top of that thought both of the lines independently were a generally villagery thing but something felt off about the way they were interacting over it. Like I thought I couldn't figure out what felt notable to me about it but then I did, sort of.
The thing where I was going to call Wheat a villager was because I thought he was the first one to bring it up and thus hadn't been bouncing off LW in saying it. Then when I was like... about to post that I read over the stuff once more and realized I missed a post and it was just sort of disorienting at the point I'd gotten in the "it's not there" line of thought.
It definitely wasn't me agreeing with him anywhere in there and I'm really confused about where that comes from.
The read result there was that my townread on LW was strengthened and I have somewhat of a wolfread on Wheat.
I guess the other read wasn't actually in that post but I villaread Rhand after that.
You said And I thought Wheat was the first person to bring up that read and wrote up a thing about how he was probably a villager which I interpreted as you agreeing with the thing Wheat brought up, since you were going to townread him for it.
I never would have come out of your ISO thinking you scumread Wheat (and townread Rhand :V). Could you talk more about those, or your thoughts on Gemma now that you are leaning town on someone she scumcased?
shadowlancerx - 2 (sheepsaysmeep, Wheat_Grinder)
Gemma - 2 (Lastwhisper, Rhand)
Rhand - 1 (Gemma)
Nancy Drew 39 - 1 (shadowlancerx)
Lissa - 1 (Vaimes)
Not Voting - 5 (Regfan, Killjoy, Lissa, Roz-the_eevee, Nancy Drew 39)
With 12 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Roz_the_eevee is V/LA
I don't understand how the assumption is agreeing especially in context, I mentioned how I find the type of read I was referring to >>rand villager in general and if he brought it up first my concerns about the interaction thing were a nonissue I think it fairly straightforwardly follows from there but it's not really worth fixating on further. Why would I townread him because I agreed with him?
I was pretty explicit about the Rhand read in the post after that so I'm not sure how that's difficult to understand; the Wheat thing being pretty ambiguous at the end is fair though.
What I was attempting to communicate was that I think with the timing and abruptness of Wheat starting off on that post I do think it looks like a wolf using LW's read to bounce off.
I don't really have any new thoughts on Gemma that extend from having the Rhand read, it was a reasonable case regardless of what Rhans actually is.
You're always first on my list, isn't that enough for you?