shadow, Rhand, WG, Roz, and probably KJ are currently viable wagons, so start there. Would personally like some focus on Lissa, I have a weak town read on her but find her interactions with the shadow wagon to be a little problematic. I have very strong town reads on Vaimes and LW. You should probably take a glance at them for yourself but I think your time is better spent elsewhere. I'd also appreciate it if you take a deeper look at sheep's progressions because I have more of a problem with them than you seem to and his trajectory this day phase has been pretty, um, flat.
I'm here, reading, eating and catching up. Given me a few hours to have a better grip of the game and then we can talk more, I'll definitely make sure to focus on those players a little more but some quick team thoughts of the small sections that I've skimmed is that KJ is town here and I've now had time to go through his ISO and it's a read I strongly agree with so I'll dump my analysis/thoughts on him and give you something to swirl around in your head while I do catch up on others.
I actually really really like his catch up post and thoughts in Post #573, there's just a lot of things in there that feel very real; specifically I think the way he references himself being an easy mslynch feels less manipulative and moreso him factoring it into how he's reading players and getting to reads. I like a lot of the way he's sort of approaching actions that people have done and sort of thinking about it on a few different levels in terms of who fits and works with who and who doesn't, lot of their reads there I can follow even when I disagree with them. I really like the explanation behind the scum read on Wheat in Post #655 it's sort of a different way of going about my "interesting" experimental type scum tell and I can really follow the reasoning here. I loved the interaction with Gemma that follows it in Post #659 and I think the whole reaction to someone super agreeing with you of "Maybe I'm wrong about X and scum are taking advantage of my misread" is a super understandable one and one that I don't think scum frequently actually think to do. Pretty sure he's almost always town here.
And yeah, may as well have some teem ;thoughts; on Roz too since Newcomb read my post where I dumped my concerns with his play last time I had a chance to pop in and thinks that it's possible it's a playstyle clash, he doesn't necessarily think Roz is town just think he could be either alignment which is p ******* useless but enjoi (I mean he's not wrong, in that it's probably worthwhile to read through a town/scum game of his and sort of get a better baseline of what his play is like, but I don't have time for that at all right now). I still think Roz has a decent chance of being scum here, the response towards my read on him in Post 642 feels super flat and doesn't really answer or address my concern with him; it's that I can't actually trek where he's going with that question to Shadow, "I town read him -> Need to re-evaluation -> Comment about something without stating alignment indicative thoughts on it" isn't reevaluation, it feels like just posting to try and seem like he's contributing. Can't really see any sort of actual read progression or thoughts from him here at all.
@Gemma - Talk to me about your thoughts on KJ & your thoughts on my read on him. Also talk to me about Sheep, just about to go through him here since I was sort of hoping he'd be someone I could just lock in when reading through early on and put aside completly but I also had issues with his read progressions throughout the game last time I popped in to read him. And neither of my team mates (Well moreso Newbcomb) don't think he's the sort of player they can read well. Also can you please try and combo break me when I get to 3 posts.
Eh, actually looks to be little more thoughts on Sheep then that, they liked his LW/Gemma not W/W read earlier and they like the lack of drop off when he was getting town read (But I think that comments super outdated and not really true?). Anyway some deep reading time and I'll dump as I go.
Come out of reading his ISO less sure then what I was going into it? There's just, no real depth and progression on reads to read into and I kind of think that's largely just, a playstyle type thing for him here rather than a scum-tell? There's reads and thoughts and stuff, but no real explanation behind why he feels that way, or followable increase or decrease in confidence in the read. I still think he's probably town here though? I find his reaction of "People are reaching & TMI'ing when it comes to town reading me" a reaction that's super awkward and hard for scum to state and mention the amount of times he has re; his reads and thoughts on players. So yeah, still think he's town? There's a fair few players he just flat out doesn't work as scum with too, town read most of those already though but yeah, like, LW/Sheep, Gemma/Sheep, Nancy/Sheep are never worlds and Sheep/Shadow is probably not one too? It's not a read I'd want you to sheep me on though since yeah, I do think he's just the sort of player that all 3 of us are...not great at reading but yeah, the worlds where he's scum here are pretty small.
Talk to me about Rhand too (The "magical town read explanation on him was a joke I'd imagine since if that was some sort of metaphor for how you're town reading him it's gone completely over my head) because I'm also at a "I thiiiiiiiiiiink might be town" after staring at his ISO for ~20 minutes and then I'm like "Uh, I don't think those posts are particularly hard to fake, what specifically about it makes him town" and left going "Uhhhhh, no idea other than following the progression behind his Gemma/Shadow reads int he game" which isn't great? And it's normally when I feel that way about something I'm actually very very wrong and that's often when the persons scum (See; my D1 town read on Gifs in Hydra Game and a few other examples I don't really need to mention right now). You mentioned there were "things" that made you think he's town, talk to me about them. Is someone I think talking about here might help me actually get a read on him.
I think Vaimes is town? It's a weakish reaad though and I want confirmation from my team mates on him since they'd sort of promised looking after that one and lolforsomereasontheyhaven'tmentionedhimlately but yeah, p happy putting him aside for now.
And uhhh, would bed the bank on Gemma being town here, will go into this read in depth tomorrow since I don't think it's super worthwhile focusing on now since I don't think it's likely she ever gets mslynched here + think she can handle herself even if I die but yeah, will give wurds about that since it's a 100% lock read I've got at the moment.
Alright, going for a run, when I get back I'm reading through WG/Lissa/LW/Shadow/Nancy.
Would like you to talk to me about the KJ read (Moreso if you disagree with my strong town read there), would like hearing your concerns about Sheep a bit more since I'm sort of just happy putting him aside here at least for today since the worlds where he's scum are sort of the worlds where I'm hitting focusing on the people that I'm mostly looking at anyway and still have things that make him town. And would defintely like some talk about Rhand.
Re: Killjoy, on first pass I actually had the exact same thoughts as you, and was toying around with putting him up in my strong townreads, but when I thought more on the read I became a little troubled by his focus on "Regfan/Lissa/Gemma" and the scumreads on him with no votes attached + his trajectory on WG. Specifically I disliked the arbitrary quality to his scumreads on you and Lissa and felt that came across as fake scumhunting more than not given that he didn't actually look at anything in context or even try to parse your or Lissa's motivation for not voting him. Then I went another level deeper and decided that his insistence about it being a Thing sort of mitigated that concern. Then, there was his trajectory on WG, which I disliked very mildly on the level of him not engaging with WG's read on him after the initial post where WG fencesits, etc.
I don't think the paranoia towards me is nearly as difficult to fake as you do. I don't townread him nearly as strongly as you do.
I haven't looked at his ISO in.... forever, because of my laptop situation, I'm pretty unable to do any deep reading into things and am kind of just super frustrated and feel trapped in a maze of my own thoughts. So I can't really give you any more than that on Killjoy unless you quote things for me.
Talk to me about Rhand too (The "magical town read explanation on him was a joke I'd imagine since if that was some sort of metaphor for how you're town reading him it's gone completely over my head) because I'm also at a "I thiiiiiiiiiiink might be town" after staring at his ISO for ~20 minutes and then I'm like "Uh, I don't think those posts are particularly hard to fake, what specifically about it makes him town" and left going "Uhhhhh, no idea other than following the progression behind his Gemma/Shadow reads int he game" which isn't great? And it's normally when I feel that way about something I'm actually very very wrong and that's often when the persons scum (See; my D1 town read on Gifs in Hydra Game and a few other examples I don't really need to mention right now). You mentioned there were "things" that made you think he's town, talk to me about them. Is someone I think talking about here might help me actually get a read on him.
His most recent read list mirrored a lot of thoughts that were bouncing around in my head at that point in thread.
Yeah I remember ISO'ing on this site on my phone, is a nightmare. I think the focus on the groupings type thing makes sense with how he approaches the game though (Re the Lissa/Regfan/Gemma) section, like if you're looking at as he's a player that posts anti-alignments at the end of his posts and tries to sort of, box in sections of the game and base actions against each other to get reads. Them focusing on the people that scum read him but didn't vote him makes sense? Like I think the progression of "This is a Thing" to "I can't imagine 2 scum doing this, let alone 3", that flows pretty smoothly, and it's not a case of him using that as a reason to vote/push people so much as more, just him analysing data I think? I liked a lot of his WG things? I'll go over it again when I get back I guess, but yeah I don't really have many concerns with the slot.
@Lissa: How do you feel about Wheat ignorning my post about why he's scum?
@Wheat: Answer the accusations I've made of you. Then get lynched.
Ah yeah, there was also this. I mean, it would be scummier if Killjoy wasn't explicitly scumreading WG, but I still think it's a pretty slimy way to approach Lissa there, he's clearly only interested in trashing Lissa's opinion of WG.
Oh and, I actually think the towniest thing about KJ is the way his WG evolved. The way he moved into that read, "see bad thing" -> "elaborate at first chance after work" felt like a real thing, it's not intuitive for wolves to fake that and I don't really read him on that level of wolf play, especially not with the way that he has latched on to it since.
Come out of reading his ISO less sure then what I was going into it? There's just, no real depth and progression on reads to read into and I kind of think that's largely just, a playstyle type thing for him here rather than a scum-tell? There's reads and thoughts and stuff, but no real explanation behind why he feels that way, or followable increase or decrease in confidence in the read. I still think he's probably town here though? I find his reaction of "People are reaching & TMI'ing when it comes to town reading me" a reaction that's super awkward and hard for scum to state and mention the amount of times he has re; his reads and thoughts on players. So yeah, still think he's town? There's a fair few players he just flat out doesn't work as scum with too, town read most of those already though but yeah, like, LW/Sheep, Gemma/Sheep, Nancy/Sheep are never worlds and Sheep/Shadow is probably not one too? It's not a read I'd want you to sheep me on though since yeah, I do think he's just the sort of player that all 3 of us are...not great at reading but yeah, the worlds where he's scum here are pretty small.
Explain the shadow/sheep and Nancy/sheep antialigns please, I haven't really gone through him (or anyone) to look for any.
My biggest issue with him is that one piece of progression on someone, I forget who, and his lack of engagement with the game. He pops in when there's any kind of pressure on him or discussion about him and doesn't seem to do anything outside of that and that's worrying. I can understand your take on his treatment of the townreads on him and don't entirely disagree but it feels almost played up at this point, like he's decided that nipping at townreads on him is townie and is milking that. Like, he hasn't actually used any of it to develop his reads, as far as I remember.
Yeah I remember ISO'ing on this site on my phone, is a nightmare. I think the focus on the groupings type thing makes sense with how he approaches the game though (Re the Lissa/Regfan/Gemma) section, like if you're looking at as he's a player that posts anti-alignments at the end of his posts and tries to sort of, box in sections of the game and base actions against each other to get reads. Them focusing on the people that scum read him but didn't vote him makes sense? Like I think the progression of "This is a Thing" to "I can't imagine 2 scum doing this, let alone 3", that flows pretty smoothly, and it's not a case of him using that as a reason to vote/push people so much as more, just him analysing data I think? I liked a lot of his WG things? I'll go over it again when I get back I guess, but yeah I don't really have many concerns with the slot.
He doesn't have to be using it to make pushes for it to be fake scumhunting, it can just be a way to "flesh out" his read list and make it seem like he is solving. Take away you and Lissa and his readlist feels very empty at the bottom and mafia don't like that very much. But yeah, the other things I mentioned + his push on WG mostly do away with that concern.
Oh and, I actually think the towniest thing about KJ is the way his WG evolved. The way he moved into that read, "see bad thing" -> "elaborate at first chance after work" felt like a real thing, it's not intuitive for wolves to fake that and I don't really read him on that level of wolf play, especially not with the way that he has latched on to it since.
Yeah, I really liked that too. The Lissa/WG thing is eh for me in that I think it's a statement that town can make when they're wanting their scum read to be looked at by other people too rather than scum trying to paint someone looking badly. I think where you end up on him isn't too far away from where I am so that's pretty good.
[quote from="Regfan »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/796109-team-mafia-game-1-the-death-of-stalin-day-1?comment=759"]Explain the shadow/sheep and Nancy/sheep antialigns please, I haven't really gone through him (or anyone) to look for any.
Nancy/Sheep anti-align is a very very strong anti-align one, don't think his opening here is "nancy is the easiest read" when she's his partner in Post 48 and don't think Nancys response to him is "I think we both rolled town this game" type comment to Sheep in Post 204 just isn't a W/W interaction in that it's either scum attempting to cozy up to town or town stating genuine thoughts. The Shadow/Sheep one is slightly differently in that I think Shadows questioning of Sheep about reads, Sheeps response and Shadow trying to be like "That's hedgy" and the interaction that followed feels too, uh, in-your-face as a bus/distance attempt interaction. I also really liked Sheeps response towards Shadows LW vote in 740 (It's one of the Sheep recent posts I'm actually town reading as a post alone) since I think if Shadows scum and trying to push a LW mslynch angle that Sheep responding with that is kind of ?? but it's also one where I'm like "Eh, could be reading too much into it and it's not a case of them never being together, just less likely".
Going to start getting to just, ;thoughts; and less big paragraphs section.
I'm pretty much at the spot where I'm pretty confident that Gemma/KJ/LW are town (LW I want to go through myself but I find his interactions, questions and reads very easy to follow, even when I disagree with them, think he genuinely believes the reads he's pushing in the thread and think he's genuinely attempting to gamesolve, I'll go into this one if I'm still as confident on it later but wasting time on him now isn't a good idea).
I think Sheep and Vaimes are probably town, Vaimes I'd like my team to sort of actually look at him and confirm this read so I can blame it on them if it's wrong but find a lot of his explanation behind his Rhand scum read in particular to make plenty of sense and feel like him actually trying to push a scum read he believes in rather than just "floating" through the day phase. Gone into Sheep already in that I think he's probably town here but if I'm wrong the words where he's scum in are very limited, think both of these players do require either focus from my team (Vaimes) or people to relook at later in the game depending on Flips (Sheep) but for today are people I'm pretty comfortable to put aside and not waste too much more time on myself.
That means I'm mostly needing to try and dedicate time to focus on WG/Lissa/Shadow/Nancy/Rhand.
Oh yeah duh, how did I forget all of that happening between sheep and Nancy. Have kinda just forgotten Nancy this game tbh. I disagree pretty strongly on the sheep/shadow antialign, I think you're reading too much into shadow stuff, he excels at making himself look unaligned with partners (remember the last time we played as scum together, the entire game including Newcomb had us as never teamed due to the way we orchestrated our SvS stuff and the way I bussed him). It's kind of funny that you townread 740 because I had the opposite reaction to it, the thought feels played up / out of nowhere to me. I can see the antialign there though and agree that you may be reading a bit too much into it.
You know what, I’ve had a bit of a discussion with my team and I want to try something.
Vote Lastwhisper
Last feels like he’s almost in antispew mode; his posts feel like himself, but with a reserved quality, like he’s really trying not to screw things up.
dude this cnt be a real htought he's like my top town by a mile
The reason this felt fake was because sheep has been super inactive and I don't think he believes anyone is using his reads as a barometer for anything or that his reads are generally very good, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to me as a natural thought to say that shadow's thought can't be real because of his own read on LW.
Like, if sheep is mafia here he's operating with a level of TMI and that is seeping out in the expression of this read, it's a reasonable thought to have (that shadow's read can't be real) but the locus feels somehow wrong.
Should I share the dream where I learned that the team was shadow/sheep/Regfan?
Vaimes, Sheep, Lissa are currently my strongest townreads.
I’m liking Regfan better since he’s got his head in the game. I’m still trying to do that. I’m kind of frazzled now because I haven’t even packed yet. I’m sure I will make up for that once I get back from my trip.
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The reason this felt fake was because sheep has been super inactive and I don't think he believes anyone is using his reads as a barometer for anything or that his reads are generally very good, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to me as a natural thought to say that shadow's thought can't be real because of his own read on LW.
Like, if sheep is mafia here he's operating with a level of TMI and that is seeping out in the expression of this read, it's a reasonable thought to have (that shadow's read can't be real) but the locus feels somehow wrong.
Eh I think that's ignoring the context of it though, like Sheep mentioned a reads list stated by strength earlier in the game, had LW as his strongest town read, mentioned a few times that he really thinks LW is town here / that his play differs from a scum game of his that he's seen (???), so I think reacting as a "Huh, the person I'm sure is town is your scum read" is something that makes sense to come from town there.
wheat's scumreading gemma for being excited explanation really bothers me
This was the other post that I was really bothered by, I was waiting for you to pick it up but you never did. It doesn't feel real to me that he would be so bothered by WG having that read when several people shared the read and were weirded out by my entrance. Singling out WG here feels extremely arbitrary.
Wait, you scumread shadow? And your Roz scumread is stronger than your shadow scumread?
Nod, don't really have /any/ scum read that I'm confident is scum here yet though, and several players I need to look into, Shadow included. But yeah, just getting my footing at the moment, and working towards a p decent pool of people I think are probably town here.
wheat's scumreading gemma for being excited explanation really bothers me
This was the other post that I was really bothered by, I was waiting for you to pick it up but you never did. It doesn't feel real to me that he would be so bothered by WG having that read when several people shared the read and were weirded out by my entrance. Singling out WG here feels extremely arbitrary.
Yeah, this one I agree with a lot. The progression of having this read while not really town reading you is ?????? too
The reason this felt fake was because sheep has been super inactive and I don't think he believes anyone is using his reads as a barometer for anything or that his reads are generally very good, so it doesn't make a lot of sense to me as a natural thought to say that shadow's thought can't be real because of his own read on LW.
Like, if sheep is mafia here he's operating with a level of TMI and that is seeping out in the expression of this read, it's a reasonable thought to have (that shadow's read can't be real) but the locus feels somehow wrong.
Eh I think that's ignoring the context of it though, like Sheep mentioned a reads list stated by strength earlier in the game, had LW as his strongest town read, mentioned a few times that he really thinks LW is town here / that his play differs from a scum game of his that he's seen (???), so I think reacting as a "Huh, the person I'm sure is town is your scum read" is something that makes sense to come from town there.
That's not what my read is. People can disagree about reads, that isn't alignment indicative.
wheat's scumreading gemma for being excited explanation really bothers me
This was the other post that I was really bothered by, I was waiting for you to pick it up but you never did. It doesn't feel real to me that he would be so bothered by WG having that read when several people shared the read and were weirded out by my entrance. Singling out WG here feels extremely arbitrary.
Yeah, this one I agree with a lot. The progression of having this read while not really town reading you is ?????? too
Yes, that was what caught my attention in the first place.
Wait, you scumread shadow? And your Roz scumread is stronger than your shadow scumread?
Nod, don't really have /any/ scum read that I'm confident is scum here yet though, and several players I need to look into, Shadow included. But yeah, just getting my footing at the moment, and working towards a p decent pool of people I think are probably town here.
What is your shadow scumread as it exists right now?
You can also go back through my ISO for my thoughts on Rhand, Reg. I don't really remember what I've posted this game but I do remember the monster wall, which I think was like 303 or something, and that should probably map out my thoughts pretty clearly for you right up to his current play even though it was written at the start of the game.
Gemma
So everything was for naught? Like all your posts, moving people to town!leans, moving others to scum!leans, was for nothing, because in the end you are to afraid of a mislynch on day 1, which may or may not happen, but a lurker is a viable lynch because, "he aint gunna do anything anyways"...
if you aint confident in your own reads day 1, dont even ******* bother posting them then, its simple...
I am not voting Roz today, but yall can do you... Have a nice day
Nod, don't really have /any/ scum read that I'm confident is scum here yet though, and several players I need to look into, Shadow included. But yeah, just getting my footing at the moment, and working towards a p decent pool of people I think are probably town here.
What is your shadow scumread as it exists right now?
To add this this, can you qualify what makes your scum reads and your null reads distinct, because “need to look at several players” =/= scum read.
Shadow Yes, a lynch on one of the most active town voices in the game is so much better than lynching a slot that’s useless town at best. -_-
yes, thats exactly what I am saying
Shadow Yes, a lynch on one of the most active town voices in the game is so much better than lynching a slot that’s useless town at best. -_-
yes, thats exactly what I am saying
If it wasn't already apparent, if last flips scum, you can lock me as town.
Shadow Yes, a lynch on one of the most active town voices in the game is so much better than lynching a slot that’s useless town at best. -_-
yes, thats exactly what I am saying
If it wasn't already apparent, if last flips scum, you can lock me as town.
does that work vice versa? lol
also find it weird that you wrote it that way, if I am ever lynched before you, then town deserves to lose
#hardtruth
I’m here. And I honestly don’t know how to move this game to lynch.
Tell me again that my idea that we needed to go to claim range earlier in the Day was a bad idea.
Why not Wheat?
I'm here, reading, eating and catching up. Given me a few hours to have a better grip of the game and then we can talk more, I'll definitely make sure to focus on those players a little more but some quick team thoughts of the small sections that I've skimmed is that KJ is town here and I've now had time to go through his ISO and it's a read I strongly agree with so I'll dump my analysis/thoughts on him and give you something to swirl around in your head while I do catch up on others.
I actually really really like his catch up post and thoughts in Post #573, there's just a lot of things in there that feel very real; specifically I think the way he references himself being an easy mslynch feels less manipulative and moreso him factoring it into how he's reading players and getting to reads. I like a lot of the way he's sort of approaching actions that people have done and sort of thinking about it on a few different levels in terms of who fits and works with who and who doesn't, lot of their reads there I can follow even when I disagree with them. I really like the explanation behind the scum read on Wheat in Post #655 it's sort of a different way of going about my "interesting" experimental type scum tell and I can really follow the reasoning here. I loved the interaction with Gemma that follows it in Post #659 and I think the whole reaction to someone super agreeing with you of "Maybe I'm wrong about X and scum are taking advantage of my misread" is a super understandable one and one that I don't think scum frequently actually think to do. Pretty sure he's almost always town here.
You can't question the cosmos, you know?
And uhhh, would bed the bank on Gemma being town here, will go into this read in depth tomorrow since I don't think it's super worthwhile focusing on now since I don't think it's likely she ever gets mslynched here + think she can handle herself even if I die but yeah, will give wurds about that since it's a 100% lock read I've got at the moment.
Would like you to talk to me about the KJ read (Moreso if you disagree with my strong town read there), would like hearing your concerns about Sheep a bit more since I'm sort of just happy putting him aside here at least for today since the worlds where he's scum are sort of the worlds where I'm hitting focusing on the people that I'm mostly looking at anyway and still have things that make him town. And would defintely like some talk about Rhand.
I don't think the paranoia towards me is nearly as difficult to fake as you do. I don't townread him nearly as strongly as you do.
I haven't looked at his ISO in.... forever, because of my laptop situation, I'm pretty unable to do any deep reading into things and am kind of just super frustrated and feel trapped in a maze of my own thoughts. So I can't really give you any more than that on Killjoy unless you quote things for me.
The second bit is... TWTBAW, I think.
My biggest issue with him is that one piece of progression on someone, I forget who, and his lack of engagement with the game. He pops in when there's any kind of pressure on him or discussion about him and doesn't seem to do anything outside of that and that's worrying. I can understand your take on his treatment of the townreads on him and don't entirely disagree but it feels almost played up at this point, like he's decided that nipping at townreads on him is townie and is milking that. Like, he hasn't actually used any of it to develop his reads, as far as I remember.
Nod, can understand this.
Yeah, I really liked that too. The Lissa/WG thing is eh for me in that I think it's a statement that town can make when they're wanting their scum read to be looked at by other people too rather than scum trying to paint someone looking badly. I think where you end up on him isn't too far away from where I am so that's pretty good.
Nancy/Sheep anti-align is a very very strong anti-align one, don't think his opening here is "nancy is the easiest read" when she's his partner in Post 48 and don't think Nancys response to him is "I think we both rolled town this game" type comment to Sheep in Post 204 just isn't a W/W interaction in that it's either scum attempting to cozy up to town or town stating genuine thoughts. The Shadow/Sheep one is slightly differently in that I think Shadows questioning of Sheep about reads, Sheeps response and Shadow trying to be like "That's hedgy" and the interaction that followed feels too, uh, in-your-face as a bus/distance attempt interaction. I also really liked Sheeps response towards Shadows LW vote in 740 (It's one of the Sheep recent posts I'm actually town reading as a post alone) since I think if Shadows scum and trying to push a LW mslynch angle that Sheep responding with that is kind of ?? but it's also one where I'm like "Eh, could be reading too much into it and it's not a case of them never being together, just less likely".
Going to start getting to just, ;thoughts; and less big paragraphs section.
I think Sheep and Vaimes are probably town, Vaimes I'd like my team to sort of actually look at him and confirm this read so I can blame it on them if it's wrong but find a lot of his explanation behind his Rhand scum read in particular to make plenty of sense and feel like him actually trying to push a scum read he believes in rather than just "floating" through the day phase. Gone into Sheep already in that I think he's probably town here but if I'm wrong the words where he's scum in are very limited, think both of these players do require either focus from my team (Vaimes) or people to relook at later in the game depending on Flips (Sheep) but for today are people I'm pretty comfortable to put aside and not waste too much more time on myself.
That means I'm mostly needing to try and dedicate time to focus on WG/Lissa/Shadow/Nancy/Rhand.
The point re; Shadow & partners is a fair one, and a large part of why it's not an anti-align that's not the same level of the others.
Same, think I'm going to pick up from here at work tomorrow. Starting to get a ~decent~ idea of where I want to focus now.
Sure, it's sort of a half-assed one though given the WG/Lissa/Shadow/Nancy grouping have barely had a reread/ISO at all.
Town (S->W): Gemma, [Gap], KJ, LW, [Big Gap], Vaimes/Sheep, Lissa/Nancy
Null: Rhand, WG
Scum (S->W): Rozz, Shadow
Like, if sheep is mafia here he's operating with a level of TMI and that is seeping out in the expression of this read, it's a reasonable thought to have (that shadow's read can't be real) but the locus feels somehow wrong.
Vaimes, Sheep, Lissa are currently my strongest townreads.
I’m liking Regfan better since he’s got his head in the game. I’m still trying to do that. I’m kind of frazzled now because I haven’t even packed yet. I’m sure I will make up for that once I get back from my trip.
Eh I think that's ignoring the context of it though, like Sheep mentioned a reads list stated by strength earlier in the game, had LW as his strongest town read, mentioned a few times that he really thinks LW is town here / that his play differs from a scum game of his that he's seen (???), so I think reacting as a "Huh, the person I'm sure is town is your scum read" is something that makes sense to come from town there.
Nod, don't really have /any/ scum read that I'm confident is scum here yet though, and several players I need to look into, Shadow included. But yeah, just getting my footing at the moment, and working towards a p decent pool of people I think are probably town here.
Yeah, this one I agree with a lot. The progression of having this read while not really town reading you is ?????? too
So everything was for naught? Like all your posts, moving people to town!leans, moving others to scum!leans, was for nothing, because in the end you are to afraid of a mislynch on day 1, which may or may not happen, but a lurker is a viable lynch because, "he aint gunna do anything anyways"...
if you aint confident in your own reads day 1, dont even ******* bother posting them then, its simple...
I am not voting Roz today, but yall can do you... Have a nice day
Yes, a lynch on one of the most active town voices in the game is so much better than lynching a slot that’s useless town at best. -_-
yes, thats exactly what I am saying
also find it weird that you wrote it that way, if I am ever lynched before you, then town deserves to lose
#hardtruth
Tell me again that my idea that we needed to go to claim range earlier in the Day was a bad idea.