The things these things have in common to me is that Rhand is basing so much of his decision here on claims and worldbuilding and not on actual reads he has on people, which is something I think scum are more likely to do. I am okay with worldbuilding and claim talk but I want to see the actual reads backing it up, and I'm not seeing that from Rhand. I think scum need to fake thought processes and its easy for them to come up with a team and then make reads based on that (i.e. association and worldbuilding) but harder to actually have individual reads. Like, if the world you've built is broke, what's your new read on which is more likely to be scum?
So I think Rhand can be scum
I have no time to read more but if I have to make a gut pick, I vote Rhand over Roz. Roz's big readspost actually has things in it that make sense to me regarding LW (even if LW isn't scum) Still wouldn't vote Shadow.
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. You are reminded that the following rule is in effect:
If the Deadline is reached, I will pretend everyone not voting does not exist: if there is a majority vote, that player will be lynched. If not, the Day will end in a No Lynch
The deadline is 2200BST on Wednesday August 1st. This is in TEN MINUTES.
rhand is my ~top town, mostly because i think telling someone pushing you they're making up bad mafia theory to push you would be ******* insane as a wolf
rhand is my ~top town, mostly because i think telling someone pushing you they're making up bad mafia theory to push you would be ******* insane as a wolf
rhand is my ~top town, mostly because i think telling someone pushing you they're making up bad mafia theory to push you would be ******* insane as a wolf
First off, mindmelding with Lastwhisper. I’ll put the quote in spoilers to keep this post readable.
(@LW, before I forget: my first language is Dutch. I’m Belgian.)
This is like, incredibly scummy. Wow. You are definitely a wolf, shadow.
You're ready to end the day in your first post. Did you get a n0 guilty or something? See, I know you didn't, because I'm the cop, and also n0's don't exist on this site. That means there's no other conclusion than: You Are Very Very Scummy.
Gosh, you really need to up your game, because you're getting caught in your first post now and it's kinda shameful. What happened to you, shadow. You used to be good at this.
honestly this reeks of W/W vibes, and heavy distancing, you can both be scum together, dont see how anyone can town read you after these posts from you.
Basically I felt the same thing. Gemma didn’t feel natural and Shadow’s reactions feel fake.
This idea gets reinforced later, when Shadow sheeps Gemma on her case on me. When I asked Gemma how many games she played on MTGS, it is because this part of her case simply doesn’t point to alignment at all on our site:
Everyone who has played for a long time on MTGS knows we unvote when we feel RVS is over and we don’t have a reason to place a real vote. It’s totally NAI.
Shadow knows that for sure, but he reacts like this:
RE the Rhand case: I liked the Stalin is scum joke (I also think Rhand having English as a second language might be affecting you there), but other than that, gosh dang, that’s a solid case. I’m anxiously awaiting Rhand’s reply.
Also, I don’t like Stalin. He should’ve flipped scum
Tonally flat.
That’s me breadcrumbing my flavor. No idea why she’s using this post in RVS to prove anything. What does “tonally flat” even mean and why would it make me scum?
I'm enjoying reading Gemma's posts. Vote Rhand for not RVS voting me.
I think he wanted to... but he's just stallin'.
I was totally going to, but then Gemma quadruple posted
Empty RVS interaction is >rand scum.
I have a history with KJ and almost always RVS vote him. I just thought you deserved it more for that needless quadruple post. I wonder what you expected here.
Calling my RVS posts “tonally flat” and “empty” are flimsy attacks at best.
Hard unvote out of RVS is also >rand scum. Interaction with the hard unvote and the question to me looks like setting up a "peaceful encounter". In other words, agenda.
Asking you those questions was not setting up a peaceful encounter. It was getting my scumread confirmed / debunked. And by not answering them, you confirmed the read.
More importantly, these questions will generate alignment information 2.666% of the the time. Mischaracterizing my Regfan scumread as buddying is an attempt to give his questioning some manner of relevance that it entirely lacks.
This is why I really believe she made this case out of a scum mindset. The percentage is useless and baseless, but more importantly, she’s lying about Regfan.
Regfan hadn’t posted. How can you call that a “scumread” when there’s nothing to read?
It’s pretty obvious that she was toying with Regfan, which shows history and feels to me like buddying.
But that’s besides the point. The fact that she calls me out on mischaracterizing her Regfan scumread while she couldn’t possibly have a scumread on someone who didn’t post, shows malicious intent in this crafted case.
I don’t trust you.
And by not answering my questions bit just voting me instead, you’ve confirmed my gut.
I'm too happy to be town, yeah.
What about my other questions? I’m trying to get a hold on your meta.
This is an attempt to weave villager motivation into his questioning of me. If he were a villager, he wouldn't need to explain what he was doing. Because he is mafia, he feels the need to do so, for the sake of appearances.
She has mafia the other way around here. As town I don’t know your alignment and want to make clear to you why I’m asking you questions, so that you, if you are town, would answer them. You, already very early in our conversation, decided to paint me as scum and refuse the whole time to answer my questions to you, turning the whole conversation away from you and towards me.
As town you would consider the possibility of being wrong about me and actually answer me.
Buddying didn't occur, isn't a thing this early in the game anyway, and any concern over my reads wasn't mentioned at all before now, because he's making this all up as he goes along. There is furthermore no mafia motivation for providing reads early in the game. In fact, there is a fair bit of mafia motivation for not providing reads early in the game. He hasn't talked about my mafia motivation, because he can't. I have none, and he knows it.
Mindmeld is an entirely nondescript reason to townread someone and contains no thought. Note his townread is now qualified by "probably". Mindmeld is a mafia favorite when it comes to townreading townies, because pocketing.
Rhand is mafia.
This is all bad mafia theory, which I think she made up on the spot to paint a picture of me.
Why wouldn’t buddying be a thing early game?
Why wouldn’t there be mafia motivation for providing early reads? (looking like town is what mafia wants to do)
The whole mindmeld thing is completely made up, and for me mindmeld is always one of the strongest reasons to townread someone.
So yeh, I do think Gemma’s case is made by scum. I think Shadow is buddy #1, and Regfan might be #2.
Lastwhisper and Wheatgrinder are my strongest town reads.
sorry if i'm wrong lissa but i don't really agree? i'm sort of perturbed that rhand has this big scumcase on gemma because i think she's been so townie, and i don't see why a scum wouldn't say its bad theory becuase that's like, just kind of a way of saying "your read is bad" and isn't that what wolves do?
i trust you and i wanna listen to you but i think rhand is more likely scum than roz
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. You are reminded that the following rule is in effect:
If the Deadline is reached, I will pretend everyone not voting does not exist: if there is a majority vote, that player will be lynched. If not, the Day will end in a No Lynch
The deadline is 2200BST on Wednesday August 1st. This is in TWO MINUTES.
i don't really care if roz has claimed or not, i don't think not-claiming is necessarily scummy
i'm also just sort of trusting the number of voices who seem to say something is off about rhand, whereas the roz votes seem to be for stuff that isn't as gut-justified, just people disliking roz's play
sorry if i'm wrong lissa but i don't really agree? i'm sort of perturbed that rhand has this big scumcase on gemma because i think she's been so townie, and i don't see why a scum wouldn't say its bad theory becuase that's like, just kind of a way of saying "your read is bad" and isn't that what wolves do?
i trust you and i wanna listen to you but i think rhand is more likely scum than roz
it's just like
for me saying "you made up theory" is a much deeper level of thing than "you made up this read" and seems like a wildly uncomfortable thing to even think about posting
sorry if i'm wrong lissa but i don't really agree? i'm sort of perturbed that rhand has this big scumcase on gemma because i think she's been so townie, and i don't see why a scum wouldn't say its bad theory becuase that's like, just kind of a way of saying "your read is bad" and isn't that what wolves do?
i trust you and i wanna listen to you but i think rhand is more likely scum than roz
it's just like
for me saying "you made up theory" is a much deeper level of thing than "you made up this read" and seems like a wildly uncomfortable thing to even think about posting
(as a wolf)
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Tell me what you see in his LW post.
LW has already explained it. The fact LW wanted Riz to claim had nothing tomdo with LW’s read on Roz. It was simple game advancent.
That is true. I completely lost my conviction the last hours, which is very unme.
Let me list some things:
- Not wanting to lynch shadow without a claim
- "Not opposed to a wheat lynch", but still wanting a claim
(In the same post, he says he WILL lynch Roz, because Roz won't claim)
- LW voting Nancy "rocks his world"
Prefers to NL over lynching people who can't claim?
- Lissa rocks his worldview again by implying Shadow town
- Giving wheat a pass for trying to vote him, but mentioning wheat's potential buddies in the read
The things these things have in common to me is that Rhand is basing so much of his decision here on claims and worldbuilding and not on actual reads he has on people, which is something I think scum are more likely to do. I am okay with worldbuilding and claim talk but I want to see the actual reads backing it up, and I'm not seeing that from Rhand. I think scum need to fake thought processes and its easy for them to come up with a team and then make reads based on that (i.e. association and worldbuilding) but harder to actually have individual reads. Like, if the world you've built is broke, what's your new read on which is more likely to be scum?
So I think Rhand can be scum
I have no time to read more but if I have to make a gut pick, I vote Rhand over Roz. Roz's big readspost actually has things in it that make sense to me regarding LW (even if LW isn't scum) Still wouldn't vote Shadow.
Rhand - 4 (Killjoy, Vaimes, Wheat_Grinder, shadowlancerx)
roz_the_eevee - 3 (Gemma, sheepsaysmeep, Lissa)
Lissa - 1 (roz_the_eevee)
Lastwhisper - 1 (Dels_8)
shadowlancerx - 1 (Lastwhisper)
Dels_8 - 1 (Rhand)
Not Voting - 1 (Nancy Drew 39)
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. You are reminded that the following rule is in effect:
The deadline is 2200BST on Wednesday August 1st. This is in TEN MINUTES.
@Mod: Votecount?
why this over rhand?
man I don't want to lynch rhand christ
If I do get lynched, please do take that as my heritage.
Unvote, vote roz
Eh? That is not true
Vote Rhand
erk
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***** talk anti town play all you want, justifying a lynch on a D1 PR claim because you don’t want the slot in LyLo is a ridiculous reach.
i trust you and i wanna listen to you but i think rhand is more likely scum than roz
This is what’s happening.
I wanna talk to Rhand about lynching Dek toMorrow, so let’s not lynch him.
roz_the_eevee - 5 (Gemma, sheepsaysmeep, Lissa, Vaimes, Rhand)
Rhand - 3 (Killjoy, Wheat_Grinder, shadowlancerx)
Lissa - 1 (roz_the_eevee)
Lastwhisper - 1 (Dels_8)
shadowlancerx - 1 (Lastwhisper)
Not Voting - 1 (Nancy Drew 39)
With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. You are reminded that the following rule is in effect:
The deadline is 2200BST on Wednesday August 1st. This is in TWO MINUTES.
i'm also just sort of trusting the number of voices who seem to say something is off about rhand, whereas the roz votes seem to be for stuff that isn't as gut-justified, just people disliking roz's play
Unvote Lastwhisper
Vote Rhand
for me saying "you made up theory" is a much deeper level of thing than "you made up this read" and seems like a wildly uncomfortable thing to even think about posting
i was trusting you on rhand!
i wanna talk to you tomorrow about wisp
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