Most important is this mission is going to fail if it passes.
Next, I'm not even sure we wasn't mission 3 to pass since we're still missing information.
I'm starting to think that killjoy and vaimes are opposite alignment
I think I want grape over one or the other of them, preferably vaimes
Vezok is still look town, I wasn't expecting vaimes to respond like this so I'm taken aback
Basically though it's none of my business if people think I'm a spy, it's not like I can say "I would never do this as a spy" but I do think I would havefailed that first mission since I was scummy from the beginning and at that point I likely wouldn't have been put on any missions. I think the fact that instead I'm still trying to convince people of better missions should show that I'm not a spy
Mikey, you were one of the people saying "scum would be idiots to fail the first mission because it helps the town so much to confirm a scum on mission 1.
I flatly refuse to believe at this point that you arent scum, and everyone else including osie should agree. Your 100% certain "this mission will fail" prophecy from last mission combined with this is just the surest sign of scum sandbagging I've seen all game. You did a complete 180 from a position you were certain of.
I will vote to fail any mission with Mikey on it at this point. And in addition I will also failvote any mission without vezok on it.
I think Osie's badly overplayed his hand by supporting mikey so strongly with this latest slip from mikey. I can't comment properly by phone on your PBPA of KJ at the moment because phone but I will do so later.
At this stage I am thinking there is one scum left in grapefruit, Vaimes or (still extremely unlikely Killjoy)
So this following series of posts from Mikey shows a serious mindset slip that strong indicates he's scum. None of his posts today have changed that view for me or shown a mindset change from Mikey.
Osie's flip on me is likely in response to me scum reading them
Not 100% but that's what I usually see
I know they said I was universally scum read and thus I'm town but
In what world is that sound logic
Osie is definitely a spy, it's that simple. With vaimes, I bet.
Wuffles is a curious case because he's making posts but they leave no impact on me and I'm not impressed to answer them. Killjoy and vezok are almost definitely resistance, I still want killjoy[ed. note: this was supposed to say Grape according to follow up post] to be resistance, it's mostly poe from there. With only 7 player resistance we should be able to solve the game after this mission but not if we accept killjoy and his crappy mission submissions.
I think even if mission 3 fails we'll be in a good spot solving wide, albeit difficult to win from there. The easiest way to win naturally is to force the spies to double fall mission 4.
So this one just badly fails the fits the possibilities of the game test. From a town!Mikey PoV he should be looking for 3 other town. He locks in 2 of them (Vez and KJ) and has good things to say about me and wuffles without committing to us being town. So it shouldn't be PoE from find 1 town from either 2 or 3 (I'm assuming he thinks Vaimes is scum as of this post but it's not explicit) people.
Reason to consider that is it solves you which is the final puzzle piece
And here it shows he trying to solve me as the forth town, which if he's confident in his KJ/Vez/himself core he doesn't need. Because he only needs to find 3 town to win at this point. Basically he's not counting himself towards the town he's supposedly finding. And I think this ties in with a strategy on KJ's part and is why he picked Vaimes. I think KJ is scum with Mikey and they were trying to pin this fail on Vaimes. I suspect Osie is the third partner for the effort to try to get a town read on Mikey but I'm not confident in that read.
So I think the mission needs to be Wuffles/Vez/Me and then add one of Vaimes/Osie for the 4th mission.
The only thing giving me pause here is Osie's giant push on KJ which doesn't make sense in the KJ/Mikey/Osie world. But that world makes more sense if KJ is scum than KJ/Mikey/Vaimes because why else does KJ reach and put Vaimes on this mission unless he was trusting that only one of them would fail via the spy to the left rule.
The only thing giving me pause here is Osie's giant push on KJ which doesn't make sense in the KJ/Mikey/Osie world. But that world makes more sense if KJ is scum than KJ/Mikey/Vaimes because why else does KJ reach and put Vaimes on this mission unless he was trusting that only one of them would fail via the spy to the left rule.
idk man I feel like I don't want to trust the agenda Osie's pushing with that post after he went all-in on townreading mikey tbh.
But that's a good point on the spy to the left rule thing. Vaimes would have actually really been helping me out as a relative newbie to the game with that post if we were buddies. Who else in this game is a resistance newbie?
The only thing giving me pause here is Osie's giant push on KJ which doesn't make sense in the KJ/Mikey/Osie world. But that world makes more sense if KJ is scum than KJ/Mikey/Vaimes because why else does KJ reach and put Vaimes on this mission unless he was trusting that only one of them would fail via the spy to the left rule.
idk man I feel like I don't want to trust the agenda Osie's pushing with that post after he went all-in on townreading mikey tbh.
That was kind of my point. To me because of that push he looks like obvious scum but independent of that Mikey and KJ look like buddies so Osie doing that doesn't make sense for the team even as he does look scummy for it.
Actually no is still vaimes because osie sent killjoy and vezok
So I'm just trying to figure out grape vs wuffles so send grape instead of vaimes on this mission and if it passes we win
Actually no is still vaimes because osie sent killjoy and vezok
So I'm just trying to figure out grape vs wuffles so send grape instead of vaimes on this mission and if it passes we win
I think Osie's badly overplayed his hand by supporting mikey so strongly with this latest slip from mikey. I can't comment properly by phone on your PBPA of KJ at the moment because phone but I will do so later.
This false narrative is pretty dumb. I townread Mikey AFTER I was scumreading by the whole thread. Overplayed a hand... What a joke.
The only thing giving me pause here is Osie's giant push on KJ which doesn't make sense in the KJ/Mikey/Osie world. But that world makes more sense if KJ is scum than KJ/Mikey/Vaimes because why else does KJ reach and put Vaimes on this mission unless he was trusting that only one of them would fail via the spy to the left rule.
idk man I feel like I don't want to trust the agenda Osie's pushing with that post after he went all-in on townreading mikey tbh.
Two scum don't bus their buddy in this setup if they're playing well.
So Osie+MIkey likely town.
I think Grape is town based on his original and open thoughts. He has shown zero agenda-based motivation this game.
At the same time, if nobody is scumreading someone, that person is more likely town, and Vezok has screamed townie this game.
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I'm more and more certain that we're in a world where Wuffles, Killjoy, and Vaimes are following wrong!town Vezok's reads onto the three of them and him as a townbloc. I'm busy for the rest of the day, but each time I come back to the thread, I'm probably just going to say the same damn thing…
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I feel the need to explain this a little further since people seem to be misunderstanding.
Given that Mission 4 is almost guarenteed to succeed (I do not feel we're too far off on who is scum.) We need to test Vaimes here. I think this mission will succeed. I think Osie failed Mission 2 and I am seeing town!Vaimes here, but we need to be sure. That will never happen if we don't put them on missions. And if I'm wrong about these people being scum, I'd like to know NOW so we can go into mission 5 with as much information as possible.That's how I intend to solve this game.I don't understand the resistance to it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Grape: Why does you being widely scumread factor into anything? Why does that make it suddenly not ok?
@Osie: That part of 373 between Scumteam Reads and ~~~... what do the names mean? Is that like "If this person is town, then the scumteam is blah?
Because you are tanking mission 3 and I have to be on mission 5.
As for your other post if you're confident that mission 3 will pass, which you initially strongly indicated you were, then you don't need mission 5 at all. You choosing to play for information over trying to finish the game now makes it clear you're not town.
2. I've played enough games of Resistance that it's just a better strategy to not assume you're right about people's alignments. If you do, then you reach Mission 5 with people who have either never gone on missions at all or only went on the first one, then you roll the dice on them. I don't like doing that when the game is on the line.I want that mitigated as much as possible.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
2. I've played enough games of Resistance that it's just a better strategy to not assume you're right about people's alignments. If you do, then you reach Mission 5 with people who have either never gone on missions at all or only went on the first one, then you roll the dice on them. I don't like doing that when the game is on the line.I want that mitigated as much as possible.
Yes and if Wuffles had been on a mission this would be believeable. But he hasn't been and you've been town reading him more than Vaimes all game. But rather than try to solve the question mark you're confident in you decided to solve the question mark you're less confident in. Wuffles going on this mission gives the same amount of information as Vaimes does, but according to all your own posts before it a better chance to pass.
So you picked a mission that gives equivalent information and is less likely to pass (from your PoV) for no reason.
Nothing has happened to convince me that I should vote yes for this mission. I'm locking in a no vote for this one. Preferred mission is Vez/Wuffles/Me.
Apologies, still can't link and been super busy the last two days. Will certainly clear up by Sunday but actions should be processed more often starting tomorrow.
Sneaky posting this while boss is getting coffee - Ive been following this and really liking Grape's posts recently. More when I have time to actually post properly.
@Vez do you have any opinions about recent events? What do you make of KJ taking Vaimes on the mission?
Not really. I think KJ taking Vaimes on a mission is a great idea exactly for the reasons KJ has presented.
It's getting really hard to actually communicate with all of you, because nobody posts while I'm awake and most of the thoughts I have get posted by someone else faster.
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@Vez do you have any opinions about recent events? What do you make of KJ taking Vaimes on the mission?
Not really. I think KJ taking Vaimes on a mission is a great idea exactly for the reasons KJ has presented.
It's getting really hard to actually communicate with all of you, because nobody posts while I'm awake and most of the thoughts I have get posted by someone else faster.
Can you explain why it's a good idea then because I'm convinced it's so bad it's scummy.
If wuffles or I had been on a mission I could buy it but we and most importantly Wuffles hasn't been. So sending Vaimes gives no more information and (according to KJs stated reads) has less of a chance to pass.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Next, I'm not even sure we wasn't mission 3 to pass since we're still missing information.
I'm starting to think that killjoy and vaimes are opposite alignment
I think I want grape over one or the other of them, preferably vaimes
Vezok is still look town, I wasn't expecting vaimes to respond like this so I'm taken aback
Basically though it's none of my business if people think I'm a spy, it's not like I can say "I would never do this as a spy" but I do think I would havefailed that first mission since I was scummy from the beginning and at that point I likely wouldn't have been put on any missions. I think the fact that instead I'm still trying to convince people of better missions should show that I'm not a spy
I flatly refuse to believe at this point that you arent scum, and everyone else including osie should agree. Your 100% certain "this mission will fail" prophecy from last mission combined with this is just the surest sign of scum sandbagging I've seen all game. You did a complete 180 from a position you were certain of.
I will vote to fail any mission with Mikey on it at this point. And in addition I will also failvote any mission without vezok on it.
I think Osie's badly overplayed his hand by supporting mikey so strongly with this latest slip from mikey. I can't comment properly by phone on your PBPA of KJ at the moment because phone but I will do so later.
At this stage I am thinking there is one scum left in grapefruit, Vaimes or (still extremely unlikely Killjoy)
So this one just badly fails the fits the possibilities of the game test. From a town!Mikey PoV he should be looking for 3 other town. He locks in 2 of them (Vez and KJ) and has good things to say about me and wuffles without committing to us being town. So it shouldn't be PoE from find 1 town from either 2 or 3 (I'm assuming he thinks Vaimes is scum as of this post but it's not explicit) people.
This was in reply to me and shows the slip. This doesn't read at all like someone who has KJ as almost lock town and had me as part of a 2.5 man PoE.
And here it shows he trying to solve me as the forth town, which if he's confident in his KJ/Vez/himself core he doesn't need. Because he only needs to find 3 town to win at this point. Basically he's not counting himself towards the town he's supposedly finding. And I think this ties in with a strategy on KJ's part and is why he picked Vaimes. I think KJ is scum with Mikey and they were trying to pin this fail on Vaimes. I suspect Osie is the third partner for the effort to try to get a town read on Mikey but I'm not confident in that read.
So I think the mission needs to be Wuffles/Vez/Me and then add one of Vaimes/Osie for the 4th mission.
That was kind of my point. To me because of that push he looks like obvious scum but independent of that Mikey and KJ look like buddies so Osie doing that doesn't make sense for the team even as he does look scummy for it.
I'm still looking for the fourth town but I'm wavering on kj because of how bad his submission is here
Either you're counting wrong or the things in my head don't match what you're reading
Osie lock scum
One scum between killjoy and vaimes
One between grape and wuffles
Before coming into today I was thinking killjoy grape but I'm starting to question that because of vaimes reaction to me today
So I'm just trying to figure out grape vs wuffles so send grape instead of vaimes on this mission and if it passes we win
But you weren't when that post string started. At that point you were locked in on KJ being town. It even says as much in the first quote!
Why does Osie sending them have significance?
And why are you against this one if you're trying to find one scum in me/Vaimes/Wuffles?
Also talk about mindset slips mhmm
Last spy is probably wuffles and I'm overthinking it
I am rejecting the mission though
This false narrative is pretty dumb. I townread Mikey AFTER I was scumreading by the whole thread. Overplayed a hand... What a joke.
And you wonder why I'm not townreading you.
Vezok - Osie/Mikey/Grape
Wuffles - Osie/Mikey/Grape
Killjoy - Osie/Mikey/Grape
Vaimes - Osie/Mikey/Grape
Grape - Osie/KJ/Mikey OR Vaimes/KJ/Mikey
Mikey - Vaimes/Osie/Wuffles
Osie - Vaimes/KJ/Wuffles OR (Less likely: Vaimes/KJ/Mikey)
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Osie Scum - Wuffles, KJ, Vaimes; Vezok, Mikey, (Grape)
Mikey Scum - Wuffles, KJ, Vaimes; Vezok, Grape, (Osie)
Grape Scum - Wuffles, KJ, Vaimes; Vezok
Vaimes Scum - Osie, Mikey, Grape
KJ Scum - Osie, Grape
Wuffles Scum - Osie, Mikey
Vezok Scum - Nobody.
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Two scum don't bus their buddy in this setup if they're playing well.
So Osie+MIkey likely town.
I think Grape is town based on his original and open thoughts. He has shown zero agenda-based motivation this game.
At the same time, if nobody is scumreading someone, that person is more likely town, and Vezok has screamed townie this game.
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I'm more and more certain that we're in a world where Wuffles, Killjoy, and Vaimes are following wrong!town Vezok's reads onto the three of them and him as a townbloc. I'm busy for the rest of the day, but each time I come back to the thread, I'm probably just going to say the same damn thing…
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Given that Mission 4 is almost guarenteed to succeed (I do not feel we're too far off on who is scum.) We need to test Vaimes here. I think this mission will succeed. I think Osie failed Mission 2 and I am seeing town!Vaimes here, but we need to be sure. That will never happen if we don't put them on missions. And if I'm wrong about these people being scum, I'd like to know NOW so we can go into mission 5 with as much information as possible.That's how I intend to solve this game.I don't understand the resistance to it.
Because you are tanking mission 3 and I have to be on mission 5.
As for your other post if you're confident that mission 3 will pass, which you initially strongly indicated you were, then you don't need mission 5 at all. You choosing to play for information over trying to finish the game now makes it clear you're not town.
Talk about them how?
And I still have no clue why Osie choosing KJ is significant.
2. I've played enough games of Resistance that it's just a better strategy to not assume you're right about people's alignments. If you do, then you reach Mission 5 with people who have either never gone on missions at all or only went on the first one, then you roll the dice on them. I don't like doing that when the game is on the line.I want that mitigated as much as possible.
Yes and if Wuffles had been on a mission this would be believeable. But he hasn't been and you've been town reading him more than Vaimes all game. But rather than try to solve the question mark you're confident in you decided to solve the question mark you're less confident in. Wuffles going on this mission gives the same amount of information as Vaimes does, but according to all your own posts before it a better chance to pass.
So you picked a mission that gives equivalent information and is less likely to pass (from your PoV) for no reason.
This mission should be vezok and wuffles/grape then one other town preferably me
If you think that's a slip then why are you willing to send me on the mission?
Proposal 3.1 by Killjoy has been accepted.
Accept (4): vezokpiraka, Killjoy, Vaimes, Wuffles_II
Reject (2): Osieorb18, Grapefruit21
Not voting (1): Emcee_Mikey
It is now Mission Phase 3.1.
vezokpiraka, Killjoy, and Vaimes have until 12:30 AM Eastern Time on July 14th to vote on the outcome of the mission.
You may continue posting. Apologies again for mod delays.
50% Vezok being wrong about everything.
33% Me playing too aggressively.
17% Actual scum play.
Edit: Though I am considering the possibility that Wuffles is wrong about everything instead of Vezok.
Any reason you refrained rather than voting no?
Not really. I think KJ taking Vaimes on a mission is a great idea exactly for the reasons KJ has presented.
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Can you explain why it's a good idea then because I'm convinced it's so bad it's scummy.
If wuffles or I had been on a mission I could buy it but we and most importantly Wuffles hasn't been. So sending Vaimes gives no more information and (according to KJs stated reads) has less of a chance to pass.
So I can't see why he'd propose it as town.
Like I know what you're saying here; that I shouldn't have sent Vezok and sent Wuffles or you instead... but thats not how this works.
Doesn't make a difference, it's the same as voting no
That's not what I'm saying at all. Nor have I said anything close to that.
@Mikey what if two people didn't vote?