@Shadow: I don't suppose it's possible to get a 3 day extension due to the unreliability of the site over the past week?
I don't have a lock town read on Rodemy but I think there are better candidates to be lynching today. e.g. GJ
Tom/GJ/kpaca have several notable interactions throughout the game but nothing ever really comes of them. Tom parked a vote on GJ at one stage but never pushes the read and then just jumps over to Anak when the Fuwa wagon gets to L-2. Struggling to pull quotes from the three, even just copying quotes out to a word doc is a chore when the site bombs and doesn't allow me to access it again for 30-60 minutes at a time.
Everything you said, I would argue spew clears me over condemns me. Again, look at Kpacas interaction with me vs his interactions with tom, both of who he calls wolfy. I will never understand what that "Oh your TCM" thing meant, especially when as vaimes said, he just ends up right back on me afterwards.
@Shadow: I don't suppose it's possible to get a 3 day extension due to the unreliability of the site over the past week?
I don't have a lock town read on Rodemy but I think there are better candidates to be lynching today. e.g. GJ
Tom/GJ/kpaca have several notable interactions throughout the game but nothing ever really comes of them. Tom parked a vote on GJ at one stage but never pushes the read and then just jumps over to Anak when the Fuwa wagon gets to L-2. Struggling to pull quotes from the three, even just copying quotes out to a word doc is a chore when the site bombs and doesn't allow me to access it again for 30-60 minutes at a time.
I am in agreeance with this on top of the *****ty week i have had.
But I am more for grape/kami than GJ right now. His push on me has felt real. and i can see why he is pushing me. Grape is just: He isn't paranoid.
I would like to dedicate some time for a read on monday. Or lynch Grape and go for kami tomorrow.
This doesn't make sense. What if Grape flips town? Do you still go for Kami tomorrow (I am assuming you think both are wolves). Is there no tinfoil on me or manasi, or even dota?
I think that this is kinda where ***** goes a little haywire.
People are just sitting on their thoughts and trying to create more content when the chances that things change during each reread areslim and I feel like there's not enough content going around to even..
I don't know. I'm really not adjusting well to super slow day phases but it's a work in progress, I think this might have also been a kinda bad game to throw myself into as well but swag we're here now.
I trust Vaimes more than I trust myself on the people that I have no idea about (this is basically about his read on Grapefruit). I see a decent amount of thoughts and explanations to think that he's probably just a villager trying to sift through this kinda molasses style game. I still have a town read on Rodemy and that's ~probably not changing. I don't know if this is warranted, but I do think that of the remaining three, GJ has been posting in a way that makes me feel like he's looking at the thread as town. Kinda hard to verbalize why I think that but it just seems like instead of actively going back and picking stuff up, scum would just try to keep stuff off of them??
Think my current order is something like Kami -> Dota -> GJ but I'm probably as lost as everyone else this will be great.
@Shadow: I don't suppose it's possible to get a 3 day extension due to the unreliability of the site over the past week?
I don't have a lock town read on Rodemy but I think there are better candidates to be lynching today. e.g. GJ
Tom/GJ/kpaca have several notable interactions throughout the game but nothing ever really comes of them. Tom parked a vote on GJ at one stage but never pushes the read and then just jumps over to Anak when the Fuwa wagon gets to L-2. Struggling to pull quotes from the three, even just copying quotes out to a word doc is a chore when the site bombs and doesn't allow me to access it again for 30-60 minutes at a time.
I am in agreeance with this on top of the *****ty week i have had.
But I am more for grape/kami than GJ right now. His push on me has felt real. and i can see why he is pushing me. Grape is just: He isn't paranoid.
I would like to dedicate some time for a read on monday. Or lynch Grape and go for kami tomorrow.
This is a massive misrepresentation of my push. I'd argue (egocentrically and probably incorrectly) that my read/push heavily influenced GJ's.
Why is Kami scum here Rod? I'm convinced he's town for the way tom pushed him. What outweighs that interaction for you?
Tom busses like a mother****er that is no tell whatsoever.
I've been on the receiving end of it. So I'm familiar. But Kami was the push he fell back on everytime momentum broke on anything else. Every single time people were like "ehhh I guess so and so is town after that" tom would start banging the Kami drum again. That sort of push isn't a bus usually, it feels like he knew he needed that mislynch. Compare it to his push on DanManasi which while maintained wasn't pushed with the same sort of vigor.
Kamis lack of attention to the game (asking why people aren't voting when some have explained why)
Is a huge tell for me.
Like, it feels like he is pretending to seem relevant. The question he asked WOULD be a good question if it wasn't already answered.
How is that different to Manasi going from "Grape + GJ wins" to "I trust Vaimes saying Grape might sort of be town more than I trust myself."?
Or you going "Grape is scum for even daring to question Vaimes about past events when he didn't keep an L-1 vote on you with over a week left in the phase" to "Vaimes you might be scum for starting to suspect me after all."?
Or Dota only talking about an interaction that happened D1 and relies on the assumption that Kpaca reads sigs?
No one is engaged in the game right now, so using that to only implicate KA is wildly selective.
I will never understand what that "Oh your TCM" thing meant, especially when as vaimes said, he just ends up right back on me afterwards.
Thing is it looks forced. If any other player had been the one to point out to kpaca that you previously played under the moniker "The Cold Monarch", I would probably never have even picked up on it. But the fact that it's tom/kpaca made me look into it a bit deeper. It's a great way to give the appearance of being unaligned, and if only one of the two had flipped you could have ridden that to endgame. But with both flipped it's a very suspicious looking interaction.
From a tom ISO standpoint, for a large portion of the early game (going as far as when I I replaced in, 1300 posts into the game), he lists kpaca in his town reads and you/kami as his scumreads. There are multiple posts from him with the two of you right on the bottom of his list, but other than a short lived vote on you he never makes the attempt to get you lynched. He goes hardcore after Kami though, and was on all three mislynches, but he never actually makes a case on you. On D3 he changes tune and suddenly you're in the middle of his reads, he says because of the Vez flip but this is after he gets caught by Wuffles. And then you're suddenly locktown when kpaca flips red. Looks more like damage control to keep a buddy alive rather than an evolving read.
Because right now im goin gut. And it tells me grape kami.
idk you ask my gut. Ill wait.
Hey Rodemy's gut why is KA not being engaged relevant? And why is he scum in general?
*random gurgling noises*
Because it's close to the end of the game and kami isn't doing anything relevaaaaaannnt.
*poot*
And tom going back to his partner everytime the momentum stops is exactly something he'd do. He's smart. And i feel like it worked on at least you.
Push your partner so hard that nobody thinks they are your partner.
Tell me that doesn't sound like classic tom.
I don't put anything past tom, but I still attempt to read him and I think Kami is a mislynch he felt he could make happen.
Also I'd argue the part I put in bold is a mindset slip FWIW.
@Dota I did. I just don't see it as a buddying interaction. You're argument about the inconsistency of the read is much more intriguing though. I'll take a look for that tomorrow. Thing is even if it looks suspect I'm probably still not willing to vote him over Rodemy. What's your read there?
Because right now im goin gut. And it tells me grape kami.
idk you ask my gut. Ill wait.
Hey Rodemy's gut why is KA not being engaged relevant? And why is he scum in general?
*random gurgling noises*
Because it's close to the end of the game and kami isn't doing anything relevaaaaaannnt.
*poot*
And tom going back to his partner everytime the momentum stops is exactly something he'd do. He's smart. And i feel like it worked on at least you.
Push your partner so hard that nobody thinks they are your partner.
Tell me that doesn't sound like classic tom.
I don't put anything past tom, but I still attempt to read him and I think Kami is a mislynch he felt he could make happen.
Also I'd argue the part I put in bold is a mindset slip FWIW.
@Dota I did. I just don't see it as a buddying interaction. You're argument about the inconsistency of the read is much more intriguing though. I'll take a look for that tomorrow. Thing is even if it looks suspect I'm probably still not willing to vote him over Rodemy. What's your read there?
How do you know he's a mislynch??????
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Mindset slip? Or i am starting to think you could be town defending the wrong person.
Talking to you is making me doubt my reads on you. No way scum!grape pushes me instead of scum!kami. You'd have jumped on that wagon for a smooth win ages ago.
I do, however, think you are wrong about kami being toms buddy.
Ready to lynch whenever.
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Because right now im goin gut. And it tells me grape kami.
idk you ask my gut. Ill wait.
Hey Rodemy's gut why is KA not being engaged relevant? And why is he scum in general?
*random gurgling noises*
Because it's close to the end of the game and kami isn't doing anything relevaaaaaannnt.
*poot*
And tom going back to his partner everytime the momentum stops is exactly something he'd do. He's smart. And i feel like it worked on at least you.
Push your partner so hard that nobody thinks they are your partner.
Tell me that doesn't sound like classic tom.
I don't put anything past tom, but I still attempt to read him and I think Kami is a mislynch he felt he could make happen.
Also I'd argue the part I put in bold is a mindset slip FWIW.
@Dota I did. I just don't see it as a buddying interaction. You're argument about the inconsistency of the read is much more intriguing though. I'll take a look for that tomorrow. Thing is even if it looks suspect I'm probably still not willing to vote him over Rodemy. What's your read there?
How do you know he's a mislynch??????
Hilariously disingenuous. I like your grind here Rod.
Hey Rodemy's gut why is KA not being engaged relevant? And why is he scum in general?
*random gurgling noises*
Because it's close to the end of the game and kami isn't doing anything relevaaaaaannnt.
*poot*
And tom going back to his partner everytime the momentum stops is exactly something he'd do. He's smart. And i feel like it worked on at least you.
Push your partner so hard that nobody thinks they are your partner.
Tell me that doesn't sound like classic tom.
I don't put anything past tom, but I still attempt to read him and I think Kami is a mislynch he felt he could make happen.
Also I'd argue the part I put in bold is a mindset slip FWIW.
@Dota I did. I just don't see it as a buddying interaction. You're argument about the inconsistency of the read is much more intriguing though. I'll take a look for that tomorrow. Thing is even if it looks suspect I'm probably still not willing to vote him over Rodemy. What's your read there?
How do you know he's a mislynch??????
Hilariously disingenuous. I like your grind here Rod.
What in tarnation are you on about?
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Your question implies I know he's a mislynch, you out "Kami is a mislynch" in bold text, but you ignored the text "I think" right before that. And the text right after it explains why "He (tom) felt he could make happen."
As for the grind part I just mean not giving up and rolling over which is commendable.
Rereading Kami to see where I'm at and pages 5-7 of his ISO are very meh and nothing in there screams town. Remembering why he earned the scum reads.
Page 4 has a couple of glimmers but nothing concrete.
This post actually looks kind of awesome for KA. This was really early to be pushing Kpaca as scum (was shortly after the Vig claim and before FuwaSR had flipped.
His tunnel on GJ earlier toDay after he'd been laying ground work to push me feels legit. I don't agree with him or Dota about it, but both feel solve'y in doing so.
Extension good. Unfortunately this entire weekend is murdering me and is just an all-around bad time.
Manasi pledging her allegiance to me and ignoring that I kind of want to lynch her is ???. I don’t really get how she and Rod are each other’s top-ish townreads.
Extension good. Unfortunately this entire weekend is murdering me and is just an all-around bad time.
Manasi pledging her allegiance to me and ignoring that I kind of want to lynch her is ???. I don’t really get how she and Rod are each other’s top-ish townreads.
I mean you're probably not going to lynch me so what's the point in acknowledging it?
I think Rodemy has been super towny and I think we're all kindacoming to the right conclusion of killing Kami then figuring tomorrow out etc.
Extension good. Unfortunately this entire weekend is murdering me and is just an all-around bad time.
Manasi pledging her allegiance to me and ignoring that I kind of want to lynch her is ???. I don’t really get how she and Rod are each other’s top-ish townreads.
I mean you're probably not going to lynch me so what's the point in acknowledging it?
I think Rodemy has been super towny and I think we're all kindacoming to the right conclusion of killing Kami then figuring tomorrow out etc.
I don't think anyone is coming to that conclusion.
@Grape, can you walk me through kpaca/Rod interactions if they're scumbuddies?
Haven't looked at the Kpaca/Rod interactions in particular. Did something about them stick out to you? My read is more that he's been scummy, my earlier clear of him was kind of garbage, tom was all about said garbage clear, and he's flailing toDay.
And yeah having to back and refresh after ever post is miserable...
One of the reasons I wanted to clear Rod is that I don't think he would antagonize his widely townread partner for no real reason.
The thing is Kpaca was getting into slapfights with so many people that I'm not comfortable with saying that "person x got in a slapfight with him so they are clear." I'll go take another look at Rod's read on him now. Don't remember it jumping out at me as untenable for a buddy when I did my ISO of him.
Rod basically never pressured Kpaca from after the fake!daykill till the end. He lobbed a couple of questions but no real pressure of any sort. I don't even think he voted him.
@Dota I know GJ is your preferred lynch today. It's not happening toDay. Who else are you willing to lynch?
@Vaimes what inferences do you draw from Manasi and Rods weird top town reads on each other?
If not GJ then Manasi would be my next pick. Townreading Kami since forever, you and Rod are leantown reads and I need to reread Vaimes but haven't gotten a scum vibe from what I have read.
Everything you said, I would argue spew clears me over condemns me. Again, look at Kpacas interaction with me vs his interactions with tom, both of who he calls wolfy. I will never understand what that "Oh your TCM" thing meant, especially when as vaimes said, he just ends up right back on me afterwards.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
This doesn't make sense. What if Grape flips town? Do you still go for Kami tomorrow (I am assuming you think both are wolves). Is there no tinfoil on me or manasi, or even dota?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Didn't realize we were so close to EOD.
I think that this is kinda where ***** goes a little haywire.
People are just sitting on their thoughts and trying to create more content when the chances that things change during each reread areslim and I feel like there's not enough content going around to even..
I don't know. I'm really not adjusting well to super slow day phases but it's a work in progress, I think this might have also been a kinda bad game to throw myself into as well but swag we're here now.
I trust Vaimes more than I trust myself on the people that I have no idea about (this is basically about his read on Grapefruit). I see a decent amount of thoughts and explanations to think that he's probably just a villager trying to sift through this kinda molasses style game. I still have a town read on Rodemy and that's ~probably not changing. I don't know if this is warranted, but I do think that of the remaining three, GJ has been posting in a way that makes me feel like he's looking at the thread as town. Kinda hard to verbalize why I think that but it just seems like instead of actively going back and picking stuff up, scum would just try to keep stuff off of them??
Think my current order is something like Kami -> Dota -> GJ but I'm probably as lost as everyone else this will be great.
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Kinda worried that if I'm super wrong about Rodemy that could be a partner interaction BUT **** IT WE'RE GOING WITH RODEMY TOWN.
At least someone is reading me right.
See ya on sunday! Moving back for time constraints.
This is a massive misrepresentation of my push. I'd argue (egocentrically and probably incorrectly) that my read/push heavily influenced GJ's.
Tom busses like a mother****er that is no tell whatsoever.
Is a huge tell for me.
Like, it feels like he is pretending to seem relevant. The question he asked WOULD be a good question if it wasn't already answered.
I've been on the receiving end of it. So I'm familiar. But Kami was the push he fell back on everytime momentum broke on anything else. Every single time people were like "ehhh I guess so and so is town after that" tom would start banging the Kami drum again. That sort of push isn't a bus usually, it feels like he knew he needed that mislynch. Compare it to his push on
DanManasi which while maintained wasn't pushed with the same sort of vigor.How is that different to Manasi going from "Grape + GJ wins" to "I trust Vaimes saying Grape might sort of be town more than I trust myself."?
Or you going "Grape is scum for even daring to question Vaimes about past events when he didn't keep an L-1 vote on you with over a week left in the phase" to "Vaimes you might be scum for starting to suspect me after all."?
Or Dota only talking about an interaction that happened D1 and relies on the assumption that Kpaca reads sigs?
No one is engaged in the game right now, so using that to only implicate KA is wildly selective.
idk you ask my gut. Ill wait.
Hey Rodemy's gut why is KA not being engaged relevant? And why is he scum in general?
Thing is it looks forced. If any other player had been the one to point out to kpaca that you previously played under the moniker "The Cold Monarch", I would probably never have even picked up on it. But the fact that it's tom/kpaca made me look into it a bit deeper. It's a great way to give the appearance of being unaligned, and if only one of the two had flipped you could have ridden that to endgame. But with both flipped it's a very suspicious looking interaction.
From a tom ISO standpoint, for a large portion of the early game (going as far as when I I replaced in, 1300 posts into the game), he lists kpaca in his town reads and you/kami as his scumreads. There are multiple posts from him with the two of you right on the bottom of his list, but other than a short lived vote on you he never makes the attempt to get you lynched. He goes hardcore after Kami though, and was on all three mislynches, but he never actually makes a case on you. On D3 he changes tune and suddenly you're in the middle of his reads, he says because of the Vez flip but this is after he gets caught by Wuffles. And then you're suddenly locktown when kpaca flips red. Looks more like damage control to keep a buddy alive rather than an evolving read.
*random gurgling noises*
Because it's close to the end of the game and kami isn't doing anything relevaaaaaannnt.
*poot*
And tom going back to his partner everytime the momentum stops is exactly something he'd do. He's smart. And i feel like it worked on at least you.
Push your partner so hard that nobody thinks they are your partner.
Tell me that doesn't sound like classic tom.
I don't put anything past tom, but I still attempt to read him and I think Kami is a mislynch he felt he could make happen.
Also I'd argue the part I put in bold is a mindset slip FWIW.
@Dota I did. I just don't see it as a buddying interaction. You're argument about the inconsistency of the read is much more intriguing though. I'll take a look for that tomorrow. Thing is even if it looks suspect I'm probably still not willing to vote him over Rodemy. What's your read there?
How do you know he's a mislynch??????
Talking to you is making me doubt my reads on you. No way scum!grape pushes me instead of scum!kami. You'd have jumped on that wagon for a smooth win ages ago.
I do, however, think you are wrong about kami being toms buddy.
Ready to lynch whenever.
That could be why you are defending him so hard. It would make sense if scum had another kill tonight. One mislynch and you'd win the game..
Gahhhhhh i hate this game.
That is just a waaaaayyy out there theory anyway.
But i need to step away. Someone else throw something out there.
Rodemy does that 90% of the time
I am following mansai or vaimes and MAYBE DOTA if he puts a good case.
I'm not taking lead anymore.
Hilariously disingenuous. I like your grind here Rod.
What in tarnation are you on about?
As for the grind part I just mean not giving up and rolling over which is commendable.
Rereading Kami to see where I'm at and pages 5-7 of his ISO are very meh and nothing in there screams town. Remembering why he earned the scum reads.
Page 4 has a couple of glimmers but nothing concrete.
This post actually looks kind of awesome for KA. This was really early to be pushing Kpaca as scum (was shortly after the Vig claim and before
FuwaSR had flipped.His tunnel on GJ earlier toDay after he'd been laying ground work to push me feels legit. I don't agree with him or Dota about it, but both feel solve'y in doing so.
Manasi pledging her allegiance to me and ignoring that I kind of want to lynch her is ???. I don’t really get how she and Rod are each other’s top-ish townreads.
I think Rodemy has been super towny and I think we're all kindacoming to the right conclusion of killing Kami then figuring tomorrow out etc.
I don't think anyone is coming to that conclusion.
@Dota I know GJ is your preferred lynch today. It's not happening toDay. Who else are you willing to lynch?
@Vaimes what inferences do you draw from Manasi and Rods weird top town reads on each other?
I was fine on Manasi but then she vanished and took her unique opinions with her.
@Grape, can you walk me through kpaca/Rod interactions if they're scumbuddies?
Haven't looked at the Kpaca/Rod interactions in particular. Did something about them stick out to you? My read is more that he's been scummy, my earlier clear of him was kind of garbage, tom was all about said garbage clear, and he's flailing toDay.
And yeah having to back and refresh after ever post is miserable...
"Oh Rod is scummy and tom said a thing" from you is ???. tom's wine is nauseating at best.
The thing is Kpaca was getting into slapfights with so many people that I'm not comfortable with saying that "person x got in a slapfight with him so they are clear." I'll go take another look at Rod's read on him now. Don't remember it jumping out at me as untenable for a buddy when I did my ISO of him.
Rodemy - 2 (Grapefruit21, KamikazeArchon)
Gentleman Johnny - 1 (DoTArchon)
Manasi - 1 (Vaimes)
KamikazeArchon - 1 (Manasi)
Not Voting - 2 (Gentleman Johnny, Rodemy)
(With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch)
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