The point I meant to make with 2093, and it just came out not at all was that it felt like a good chunk of the lynches were lurkers, and most of the active voices are townie, at least by tone. No, I don't think every single lurker is a wolf here, but there is probably at least two in the bottom 7/8 of posters.
@Kpaca and Wisp for me voting Anak was about ensuring a lynch that wasn't Vez happened. I agreed with the idea that Kpaca's "Not a CC, CC" wasn't worth lynching Vez over. It wasn't an information lynch beyond the way every lynch is an information lynch. I have a ton of strong to medium town reads and he wasn't in the.
Anyway confident that Osie, Kpaca, LW, Dan, and Rodemy are town. Have weaker reads on Tom, Fuwa, Vaimes, and Dota being town.e Was happy to lynch anyone outside of that to ensure a lynch went through. I'll read and hopefully do better at some point today but it won't happen immediately. I'm going to be flat out through the weekend (it is at least wednesday here).
@LW you spent a decent amount of time yesterday complaining about widely town read people not taking advantage of that position. You're just about the most town read person in the game how about rather than continuing to live at the top of the thread you go back and read earlier stuff. Find something that strikes you as a bad process from earlier in the game. Pick an ISO and read it without the intent to build a case. Read looking for scum rather than trying to prove someone is scum.
Static as in the same people? Yeah that’s completely true. I’m pretty sure you’ll find that this is my town MO. When I’m willing to lynch whoever whenever, that’s when I’m scum.
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Nobody derp-clears anyone. That observation by Kami could have easily been made as any alignment. And gj well I feel like more than enough time passed for him to read that there was a site error, and that vote feels suuuper opportunistic.
Osie is like 99.99% cleared now. It would take a ******* miracle for him to be scum at this point.
Really not liking Grape still. His posting style day 1 combined with his horrible push about only town reading me because "original thought...but was not original thought" that he immediately damage-controlled on when I called him out and admitted was bad (I.e. that the only reason he had for scumreading me was,bad) followed by a "I'm okay with lynching wuffles today" just terrible.
Vote Grapefruit21
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@Wuffles you're a PoE read. Even if I take your read on me as original you're only at best townie in the tom/Fuwa/Vaimes/Dota category. There just isn't enough there to have a real town read of you. And the more I think about it the more I'm not convinced it was a great reason to town read you in the first place. I wouldn't lynch you over KA or Terry but I'd lynch you over tom, dota, or Fuwa. My reads are just blah outside of town reads here. I have no grasp on this game.
My reads are just blah outside of town reads here. I have no grasp on this game.
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I was really hoping to have investigative info and/or a role dichotomy so I didn't have to reread til day 3 tbh. Or at least have a smaller pool I needed to reread.
Actually kind of want kpaca to claim but he's pretty clearly not gonna and whatever
Vez is scummy but claim buys him a day (I guess 2 days now. Sigh)
Gj was scummy early but got better
Ditto wuffles
Fuwa is maybe scum but enough positives I don't want to go there rn
Tomorrow is my day off, maybe I will just take the time to reread the thread...
also, ditto @Grape, I just keep town reading people, and have no clear scum reads
Tom
you arent seriously putting Dan on the lower end of the spectrum, are you? hes like the only person I am confident in saying is town... next to Osie, and Kpaca
Terry
so when will you be caught up so that I can start tunneling you again? tired of waiting...
I was at a cigar shop, and I kept having a weird tinfoil of a kpaca/osierb wolf buddies. I will try to find out why I had it, but will probably just play dota, so I'll do it tomorrow.
I was at a cigar shop, and I kept having a weird tinfoil of a kpaca/osierb wolf buddies. I will try to find out why I had it, but will probably just play dota, so I'll do it tomorrow.
plz dont put those thoughts in my head :sob: :sob:
also dota :P, I havent played that in ages, those were the good old days
Static as in the same people? Yeah that’s completely true. I’m pretty sure you’ll find that this is my town MO. When I’m willing to lynch whoever whenever, that’s when I’m scum.
You move around a lot in my past run ins. Flame warriors you are jumping around. And no, while it's not a solid slam dunk, scum read changes as the game progresses and players adjust to what they are seeing/feeling ect. Wolf "reads" don't change because they are incapable of legitimately developing reads because said reads are lies. I take issue with the fact that apart from your stunt, and slight change on LW (who you probably weren't wolf reading at all), you still haven't budged on your reads, and have little reason to change from that.
Sorry what is the Kami derpclear based on?
That scum don't look at mod posts?
Not buying it.
Gj on the other hand did look excited to see a "slip" proving his pet read. Which is not townie per se scumgj could be excited about that too but eh
If kami was scum he would have known that Anuk was town, not try to Gotcha LW by implying LW knew that Anuk was town. However I’m not willing to grant GJ the same clear because I already said something about derp clearing kami.
Tomorrow is my day off, maybe I will just take the time to reread the thread...
also, ditto @Grape, I just keep town reading people, and have no clear scum reads
Tom
you arent seriously putting Dan on the lower end of the spectrum, are you? hes like the only person I am confident in saying is town... next to Osie, and Kpaca
Terry
so when will you be caught up so that I can start tunneling you again? tired of waiting...
Ive been caught up for days. What are you smoking? I’ve been up to date. Is there something you want to talk about? Like the crap lynch of Anuk? That I think kpacas faykill says he is town trying to catch scum, but that it doesn’t clear you because I’d react the exact same way as scum (claiming vt and acting indignant)? That I believe kpaca is the most town here besides Osi and that I believe his role is as claimed (incompatible with vezo’s, who I wanted to lynch yesterday because of his bad sheeping)? That I derpclear kami for not realizing Anuk was town and voting you incorrectly for it? That I still wouldn’t give that same courtesy to GJ because of timing?
You move around a lot in my past run ins. Flame warriors you are jumping around. And no, while it's not a solid slam dunk, scum read changes as the game progresses and players adjust to what they are seeing/feeling ect. Wolf "reads" don't change because they are incapable of legitimately developing reads because said reads are lies. I take issue with the fact that apart from your stunt, and slight change on LW (who you probably weren't wolf reading at all), you still haven't budged on your reads, and have little reason to change from that.
when I start being wrong is generally when I start rethinking my reads. You were in flame warrior mafia? How long have you been around i thought you were newer? Anyway I don’t super remember flame warriors mafia, but I feel like I thought artifice101 was scum pretty much that entire game, was pretty static about it, and then it turned out he was scum. Or was that not the same game?
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I was at a cigar shop, and I kept having a weird tinfoil of a kpaca/osierb wolf buddies. I will try to find out why I had it, but will probably just play dota, so I'll do it tomorrow.
anything to take the spotlight off you eh?
And we’ve had past run ins?
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I was at a cigar shop, and I kept having a weird tinfoil of a kpaca/osierb wolf buddies. I will try to find out why I had it, but will probably just play dota, so I'll do it tomorrow.
Hahahaha... This would be a very different game if that were the case.
You may know him as "the cold monarch" though.
Think that's right, though I've only played with him as gj and nippleman
and what was your first game? I feel like I remember playing a game with you but idk man, it’s hard to remember. I first played mafia in like 2008 so that’s a lot of games to keep sorted in one brain.
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Ok, just taking a quick glance at the vote count, because Anuk got lynched over vezo when vezo claimed tracker. Nothing was really resolved regarding his behavior that got him on the chopping block in the first place and as m\several people have pointed out, scum tracker is a thing.
So first, let's look at the Anuk voters:
tomsloger, Wuffles_II, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, osieorb18, Lastwhisper
So obviously I feel like Vezo could be scum, but Osi is definitely town, Kami is also most likely town for the derp clear. For the benefit of this analysis I will also temporarily let GJ slide on the same derp clear (but as I stated before, think his derp was fakeable). Fuwa seemed to react well in a town way when they were about to be lynched. LW feels suspicious to me, but for the sake of this POE, let's also let him off the hook for the Faykill reaction. I'm also going to shift my focus AWAY from Vezo because I feel like there is a small upside to letting him live another night. That leaves:
Tom, Wuffles, and Grape.
Now looking at the people that stuck on Vezo at the end of the day:
DoTArchon, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes, kpaca, Anaklusmos, Rodemy
Automatically these people get a bit of special consideration because they weren't on a town Lynch at EOD, like I said, I'm all in on Kpaca being town. Anak is town, I'm town, leaving Vaimes, Rod and Dota. I've got a gut town read on Rod, leaving two pretty strong Lynch candidates in Dota and Vaimes. I thought Vaimes handled Day 1's DV-Aggro much better than I would have, which makes me want to think he's town.
If we have a 4-man scum team and I'm not coming up with tin-foils, it's Tom, Wuffles, Grape and Dota.
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Ok, just taking a quick glance at the vote count, because Anuk got lynched over vezo when vezo claimed tracker. Nothing was really resolved regarding his behavior that got him on the chopping block in the first place and as m\several people have pointed out, scum tracker is a thing.
So first, let's look at the Anuk voters:
tomsloger, Wuffles_II, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, osieorb18, Lastwhisper
So obviously I feel like Vezo could be scum, but Osi is definitely town, Kami is also most likely town for the derp clear. For the benefit of this analysis I will also temporarily let GJ slide on the same derp clear (but as I stated before, think his derp was fakeable). Fuwa seemed to react well in a town way when they were about to be lynched. LW feels suspicious to me, but for the sake of this POE, let's also let him off the hook for the Faykill reaction. I'm also going to shift my focus AWAY from Vezo because I feel like there is a small upside to letting him live another night. That leaves:
Tom, Wuffles, and Grape.
Now looking at the people that stuck on Vezo at the end of the day:
DoTArchon, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes, kpaca, Anaklusmos, Rodemy
Automatically these people get a bit of special consideration because they weren't on a town Lynch at EOD, like I said, I'm all in on Kpaca being town. Anak is town, I'm town, leaving Vaimes, Rod and Dota. I've got a gut town read on Rod, leaving two pretty strong Lynch candidates in Dota and Vaimes. I thought Vaimes handled Day 1's DV-Aggro much better than I would have, which makes me want to think he's town.
If we have a 4-man scum team and I'm not coming up with tin-foils, it's Tom, Wuffles, Grape and Dota.
There. Game solved. Who should we Lynch first?
So a)in your world view all the scum were between the two wagons with no-one off wagon and b)you've solved the game but would rather have others tell you who to vote rather than just placing a vote yourself?
The ability itself seems like something that harms town and scum (scum don't get to NK, PRs don't get to perform actions, town doesn't get to analyze the kill), which kind of screams neutral to me.
(Though there is the plus of basically lynching twice on Day 1, the benefits of which depends on who gets lynched, so...)
That being said, I definitely don't see this as being a scum ability because no NK or PR activity, so regardless of whether he's town or neutral, I'm fine leaving him be.
Will say I'm kind of annoyed that we didn't get the mandatory "nobody post for 48 hours" but we have a flip so that's at least something.
Clearly I’m going to be more adamant about using sarcasm tags. Me saying I solved the game was sarcasm. I did a vote analysis and now I’m scum? Get off me. This is as bad as the Anuk lynch where the reason was “Anuk is scum” no thought process at all. I do find it funny that my town reads are ganging up on me.
@osi: You are voting me for derpclearing? Detpclears are real at times. Kamis was. I’m not reliant on GJ’s. I just passed him for my POE today.
@kpaca: That’s not me being concerned, that’s me asking for reasons from Osi
@Dota: I’m pretty sure your scum because that’s the fakest bandwagon vote I’ve seen all game. It was a blatant, unexplained wagon vote, just really fake reasoning.
Unfortunately...
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Additionally, for clarity since I cannot current edit posts, Anaklusmos was: Nathan Drake, Town Vanilla
Also, what derp?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Anyway confident that Osie, Kpaca, LW, Dan, and Rodemy are town. Have weaker reads on Tom, Fuwa, Vaimes, and Dota being town.e Was happy to lynch anyone outside of that to ensure a lynch went through. I'll read and hopefully do better at some point today but it won't happen immediately. I'm going to be flat out through the weekend (it is at least wednesday here).
That scum don't look at mod posts?
Not buying it.
Gj on the other hand did look excited to see a "slip" proving his pet read. Which is not townie per se scumgj could be excited about that too but eh
That he would have known the alignment anyways. But I think that's quite a stretch.
Osie is like 99.99% cleared now. It would take a ******* miracle for him to be scum at this point.
Really not liking Grape still. His posting style day 1 combined with his horrible push about only town reading me because "original thought...but was not original thought" that he immediately damage-controlled on when I called him out and admitted was bad (I.e. that the only reason he had for scumreading me was,bad) followed by a "I'm okay with lynching wuffles today" just terrible.
Vote Grapefruit21
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Tubba was town as **** though and I have much higher confidence reading him than Joe.
Mood
I was really hoping to have investigative info and/or a role dichotomy so I didn't have to reread til day 3 tbh. Or at least have a smaller pool I needed to reread.
Actually kind of want kpaca to claim but he's pretty clearly not gonna and whatever
Vez is scummy but claim buys him a day (I guess 2 days now. Sigh)
Gj was scummy early but got better
Ditto wuffles
Fuwa is maybe scum but enough positives I don't want to go there rn
Pre reread I'm at, like, kami>dan>
also, ditto @Grape, I just keep town reading people, and have no clear scum reads
Tom
you arent seriously putting Dan on the lower end of the spectrum, are you? hes like the only person I am confident in saying is town... next to Osie, and Kpaca
Terry
so when will you be caught up so that I can start tunneling you again? tired of waiting...
The GJ way path to no lynching:
also dota :P, I havent played that in ages, those were the good old days
Why?
Dan isn't a super strong scumread but most people I find scummier there's also *reasons* I don't want to lynch them
I have none for Dan
You move around a lot in my past run ins. Flame warriors you are jumping around. And no, while it's not a solid slam dunk, scum read changes as the game progresses and players adjust to what they are seeing/feeling ect. Wolf "reads" don't change because they are incapable of legitimately developing reads because said reads are lies. I take issue with the fact that apart from your stunt, and slight change on LW (who you probably weren't wolf reading at all), you still haven't budged on your reads, and have little reason to change from that.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
What do you want to talk about?
And we’ve had past run ins?
You may know him as "the cold monarch" though.
Think that's right, though I've only played with him as gj and nippleman
Hahahaha... This would be a very different game if that were the case.
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Iirc all 3 of us were town and I tunneled the ***** out of sir Chris and got shot by an sk
KamikazeArchon - 1 (osieorb18)
tomsloger - 1 (DoTArchon)
Gentleman Johnny - 1 (vezokpiraka)
Lastwhisper - 1 (Gentleman Johnny)
Grapefruit21 - 1 (Wuffles_II)
Not Voting - 10 (tomsloger, Grapefruit21, Fuwa, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes, Rodemy, Ganderin_dan, KamikazeArchon, Lastwhisper, kpaca)
(With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch)
Day 2 ends on July 23rd at 2000 Mountain time.
Idk, motivstion is low again.
Ok, just taking a quick glance at the vote count, because Anuk got lynched over vezo when vezo claimed tracker. Nothing was really resolved regarding his behavior that got him on the chopping block in the first place and as m\several people have pointed out, scum tracker is a thing.
So first, let's look at the Anuk voters:
tomsloger, Wuffles_II, Gentleman Johnny, Grapefruit21, vezokpiraka, KamikazeArchon, Fuwa, osieorb18, Lastwhisper
So obviously I feel like Vezo could be scum, but Osi is definitely town, Kami is also most likely town for the derp clear. For the benefit of this analysis I will also temporarily let GJ slide on the same derp clear (but as I stated before, think his derp was fakeable). Fuwa seemed to react well in a town way when they were about to be lynched. LW feels suspicious to me, but for the sake of this POE, let's also let him off the hook for the Faykill reaction. I'm also going to shift my focus AWAY from Vezo because I feel like there is a small upside to letting him live another night. That leaves:
Tom, Wuffles, and Grape.
Now looking at the people that stuck on Vezo at the end of the day:
DoTArchon, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Vaimes, kpaca, Anaklusmos, Rodemy
Automatically these people get a bit of special consideration because they weren't on a town Lynch at EOD, like I said, I'm all in on Kpaca being town. Anak is town, I'm town, leaving Vaimes, Rod and Dota. I've got a gut town read on Rod, leaving two pretty strong Lynch candidates in Dota and Vaimes. I thought Vaimes handled Day 1's DV-Aggro much better than I would have, which makes me want to think he's town.
If we have a 4-man scum team and I'm not coming up with tin-foils, it's Tom, Wuffles, Grape and Dota.
There. Game solved. Who should we Lynch first?
Vote: TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
How about you?
Let’s give you two
vote: realstinkyjoeterry
Your reliance on derpclears is disturbing.
Vote: TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
The ability itself seems like something that harms town and scum (scum don't get to NK, PRs don't get to perform actions, town doesn't get to analyze the kill), which kind of screams neutral to me.
(Though there is the plus of basically lynching twice on Day 1, the benefits of which depends on who gets lynched, so...)
That being said, I definitely don't see this as being a scum ability because no NK or PR activity, so regardless of whether he's town or neutral, I'm fine leaving him be.
Will say I'm kind of annoyed that we didn't get the mandatory "nobody post for 48 hours" but we have a flip so that's at least something.
@osi: You are voting me for derpclearing? Detpclears are real at times. Kamis was. I’m not reliant on GJ’s. I just passed him for my POE today.
@kpaca: That’s not me being concerned, that’s me asking for reasons from Osi
@Dota: I’m pretty sure your scum because that’s the fakest bandwagon vote I’ve seen all game. It was a blatant, unexplained wagon vote, just really fake reasoning.
Vote: Dotarchon Thanks for making that so easy
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