I'm scumreading Tom because:
A) he tried to instalynch 20 posts in
B) when called on it, he refused to explain his reasons which (I can only assume) is him falling back on his "lol it's Tom he doesn't explain" meta as an excuse
C) he's set me up as scum if wisp flips town (which at this point he almost certainly would) because of "commenting" on the horror of a super early randomlynch D1 (as if I wouldn't ***** on anyone trying that because that's just an awful D1 play to make if town; a better one if scum)
Like I don't understand how nobody else sees it. :/
I'd really prefer not to be lynched today since we only get one mislynch before Tom wins; but it isn't like I have a potion of truth or a role that we care about losing; I'm just the messenger. :/
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Because as town you are trying to find out who in the group is snowing, as well as coexisting with the other town who are also trying to do the same thing. There only ones who aren't are the scum.
Not being interested with having your slot read is therefore more scum than town. Town pursue their own reads, sure but they're not so disinterested with others reads on them.
Further, analyzing others reads on oneself is a good way to catch scum: the way others interpret your reads can be telling.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Wuffles
the funny thing, is I kinda thought u'd be one of the bottom 3 roles... just cant tell if its a townie thing that you didnt know that any role can be scum... seems so opportunistic, but on the other hand, kind of derpy...
Grapefruit
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Everyone
anyone up for a CFD onto Kami?, that post from him was garbo, and Tom being the only one defending it is giving me a bad feeling... inb4 Wuffles is town, and actually right about Tom...
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Okay through page 4 and still reading but I have town reads on Wisp, KJ, and Wuffles.
Light scum read on Vezo.
Tom isn't a neutral read just more that I'm not sure what to make of his Wuffles 40% LW 30% completely wrong 25% worlds. I think he should be readable off that but I haven't dove into him closely yet.
Town read on wuffles might be reachy but I'm really into it. I have this feeling that town!Wuffles is much more likely to get into it with tom over toms inscrutable style being anti town than scum wuffles. His posts about that read as righteous indignation that tom was making his life harder by not trying to be townie or caring about winning. It's the sort of thing I can see a competitive person getting on a high horse about. I don't think wuffles is making any compelling points about tom being scummy here but I think that playing against win condition outrage comes from town.
KJ is town because he's doing a bunch of the things he's been talking about trying to do to improve his town game. His unaligned pairs and asking Wisp for scum games reads like the guy who was frustrated about getting mislynched in the Arkham and Friends/Enemies dead chats.
And wisp despite looking scared as from that early wagon has settled down nicely. Apart from pushing wuffles there is a complete lack of agenda (other than being overly deferential to my slot which could be a pocket attempt but just doesn't feel like one).
Vezok feels wrong to me here. But I've incorrectly scum read him in lie 3 straight games now so I want to take it slowly.
So I feel like tom has one tell. And it's absence isn't something you can scum read him for but I've never seen him successfully fake it as scum (which of course he'll try to rectify at some point but he hasn't yet). It's a genuine excitement and clarity that shines through when he thinks he's cracking the game wide open. The most notorious example is him breaking gimmick in the game where he posted almost exlusively in flavor text. While I was scum I think it also showed early in Pirates mafia when he broke gimmick there too.
The closest I've seen him come to faking it is the off the grid game we were buddies together in. He bussed me early and won a final 3 posting some really clear game solving (and feeding on an otherwise impressive new to here players paranoia) but it lacked the enthusiasm part of it.
All of that preamble is to say I think we're seeing legit glimpses of it here. His worlds post and follow up with KJ just reads with excitment. As does his "surprise" at town reading KJ. I don't want to lock it in because he's not as clear as he was in my other examples but I do think the attitude is right in a way he struggles to fake. And it goes back to his not caring about wins or loses normally, it really shows when he gets caught up in the excitment of solving which manifests differently than his excitment at fooling people.
Anyway I don't live either wagon. Wuffles' push on tom is bad but the mindset behind getting upset at tom for not caring about wins and losses is really townie.
And KK is just completely absent. I can't associate a single idea with either head at this point.
Grape
Tbh, I like the very few posts ur slot has made... thats all it is, no reason to think your scum, or even focus you....
still dont get how my initial posts were scared...
and you know what, I did think about how town!wuffles, would interact with tom, and I also tried to compare Vez's tunneling and meta this game to his meta, in arkham, but tbh, its just wine, since i dont know how Wuffles plays scum, or how Vez plays scum... and being wrong 3 times doesnt mean you cant be right now.
i guess ill throw out a read list, not something I do often
Ohhh wait I had the VC wrong in my head. I thought Wisp made it a 3 vote tie between wuffles and KK not a 3 way 2 vote tie between wuffles, kk, and tom.
Going to reread Vezok in a bit. Have to go for now.
Grape
Tbh, I like the very few posts ur slot has made... thats all it is, no reason to think your scum, or even focus you....
still dont get how my initial posts were scared...
and you know what, I did think about how town!wuffles, would interact with tom, and I also tried to compare Vez's tunneling and meta this game to his meta, in arkham, but tbh, its just wine, since i dont know how Wuffles plays scum, or how Vez plays scum... and being wrong 3 times doesnt mean you cant be right now.
i guess ill throw out a read list, not something I do often
ok with lynching:
Tom, Kami
Scummy imo but can resolve later:
Vez
Wuffles
Town:
Grape
Killjoy
Why are you so low in KamiKazin but so high on me? That's what I don't grt about you. You say I haven't done anything and have no reason to focus me but are perfectly happy to lynch them when you don't have anything on them. What's the difference?
Grape
Tbh, I like the very few posts ur slot has made... thats all it is, no reason to think your scum, or even focus you....
still dont get how my initial posts were scared...
and you know what, I did think about how town!wuffles, would interact with tom, and I also tried to compare Vez's tunneling and meta this game to his meta, in arkham, but tbh, its just wine, since i dont know how Wuffles plays scum, or how Vez plays scum... and being wrong 3 times doesnt mean you cant be right now.
i guess ill throw out a read list, not something I do often
ok with lynching:
Tom, Kami
Scummy imo but can resolve later:
Vez
Wuffles
Town:
Grape
Killjoy
Why are you so low in KamiKazin but so high on me? That's what I don't grt about you. You say I haven't done anything and have no reason to focus me but are perfectly happy to lynch them when you don't have anything on them. What's the difference?
I mean in my head I have reasons to want to lynch them, from Kami's awkward early questions, and his lurkiness, and his most recent post... and its not like I also dont see the things that Wuffles is saying about Tom, I think them too
also Kami's post at the top of the page, and Tom's defense of him, just felt like w/w...
and the difference is that, in the very little posts both ur slot and Kami's slot has posted, I actually liked riku's posts, and at first I didnt even want to focus on either of these two slots, but wuffles is not happening, killjoy is hands down town, Vez is townish/scummish due to meta, so that leaves kami and Tom... thats my poe in a weird way, cause im poeing based on the fact that, a lot of people outside Tom are town reading wuffles...
honestly if wuffles is scum, tom is never scum
if tom is scum, wuffles is never scum, or thats some ***** bussing on wuffles part (actually thats wrong, wuffles is never scum with tom)
if wuffles flips town, imo Kami could be scum, his vote wasnt so great on Wuffles
Vez/Kami are either V/V or W/V after his vote swap, never both scum
so maybe Wuffles is still a good lynch for info, but I hate lynching for info...
If I'm not around at phase change, the lynch will still lock at that time and there will be a twilight phase of some single digit number of hours. In such a scenario, I will let players know half an hour before I am ending the twilight phase and starting the night phase.
Haven't done the things I needed to do or read Vezok. Will try to tonight but no promises. I've got a thing tonight and I have no idea how long it will last.
Not being interested with having your slot read is therefore more scum than town. Town pursue their own reads, sure but they're not so disinterested with others reads on them.
Seriously that's, like, strictly false
Scum care more about how they are read than town
Apparently last thinks my read on the slot looks w/w but I don't care this is wrong
They are null and also I hate playing with hydras so I barely care
Anyway I don't live either wagon. Wuffles' push on tom is bad but the mindset behind getting upset at tom for not caring about wins and losses is really townie.
it's really not
If you read between the lines he knows it's NAI but is pushing me for it anyway
Tom, I like how you've been trying to discredit me without any real reasons by saying I don't have any real reasons to be suspicious of you after you tried to lynch someone that early and then later try to justify with "I had a day 1 read then I moved on" - you clearly thought that read was good enough to lynch someone and now you're saying "oh no it was just a read (that I was willing to lynch someone over)"
I'll just leave this here - it's the number of times tom's told me I have nothing on him while trying to discredit me or put words in my mouth without really saying anything of note.
Quote from tom »
Wuffles case on me is literally "he hasn't explained this thing also it's unexplainable because it's just random"
Quote from Tom »
nice post
Buzzwordy AND not actually saying anything
Quote from Tom »
Pot. Kettle. Etc.
Quote from Tom »
Yeah started to keep arguing with wuffles but not worth
If he's town and actually believes that pushing someone on page 1 is 100% scum behavior I don't even know what to say.
Quote from Tom »
id love to hear it because wuffles has literal nothing and he knows it
Quote from Tom »
it's really not
If you read between the lines he(wuffles) knows it's NAI but is pushing me for it anyway
The deadline Osie gave is 1AM NZ time so I might get to post once more if I'm lucky but maybe not.
I just hope I'm alive tomorrow because MAN I don't want scumsloger to get the best of me twice in two games.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
so that means we either have a doctor, jailor, or even both... I can saz we dont have a strongman, because one, im the tracker, and two, if there was a strongman, there would still be a death... and We can assume that mafia didnt opt out of a NK today.
So who wants to go first with mechanical information?
A) he tried to instalynch 20 posts in
B) when called on it, he refused to explain his reasons which (I can only assume) is him falling back on his "lol it's Tom he doesn't explain" meta as an excuse
C) he's set me up as scum if wisp flips town (which at this point he almost certainly would) because of "commenting" on the horror of a super early randomlynch D1 (as if I wouldn't ***** on anyone trying that because that's just an awful D1 play to make if town; a better one if scum)
Like I don't understand how nobody else sees it. :/
Allowing your slot to be solved helps the town wincon. Only caring about your reads isn't townie.
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I really want Tom though.
Probably not. Maybe.
Because they don't care what people think of them?
Lol.
I'm not really interested in reading a hydra but seems like a sign they're talking about reads which would be a positive thing.
Not being interested with having your slot read is therefore more scum than town. Town pursue their own reads, sure but they're not so disinterested with others reads on them.
Further, analyzing others reads on oneself is a good way to catch scum: the way others interpret your reads can be telling.
tomsloger (2) - Wuffles_II, Killjoy
KamikazeKazin (1) - vezokpiraka
Not Voting: Grapefruit21
KamikazeKazin (p) - 6/17, 1339 MST
Killjoy - 6/17, 1916 MST
Lastwhisper - 6/16, 1826 MST
Grapefruit21 - 6/17, 1936 MST
tomsloger - 6/17, 1830 MST
vezokpiraka - 6/17, 1423 MST
Wuffles_II (p) - 6/17, 1355 MST
Check done at 6/17, 1936 MST
With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day 1 Lynch Deadline is June 18th at 0700 MST
Rumanshi has been replaced by Grapefruit21, effective immediately.
the funny thing, is I kinda thought u'd be one of the bottom 3 roles... just cant tell if its a townie thing that you didnt know that any role can be scum... seems so opportunistic, but on the other hand, kind of derpy...
Grapefruit
this night ends tomorrow, do a quick run through and tell me what you find
Everyone
anyone up for a CFD onto Kami?, that post from him was garbo, and Tom being the only one defending it is giving me a bad feeling... inb4 Wuffles is town, and actually right about Tom...
correction, the day ends tomorrow, not the night... woops
Light scum read on Vezo.
Tom isn't a neutral read just more that I'm not sure what to make of his Wuffles 40% LW 30% completely wrong 25% worlds. I think he should be readable off that but I haven't dove into him closely yet.
KK had made 0 impression.
Grape
you town read Wuffles also? man maybe I really am tunneling him...
if thats the case then scum are somewhere in Tom/Kami/Vez
Town read on wuffles might be reachy but I'm really into it. I have this feeling that town!Wuffles is much more likely to get into it with tom over toms inscrutable style being anti town than scum wuffles. His posts about that read as righteous indignation that tom was making his life harder by not trying to be townie or caring about winning. It's the sort of thing I can see a competitive person getting on a high horse about. I don't think wuffles is making any compelling points about tom being scummy here but I think that playing against win condition outrage comes from town.
KJ is town because he's doing a bunch of the things he's been talking about trying to do to improve his town game. His unaligned pairs and asking Wisp for scum games reads like the guy who was frustrated about getting mislynched in the Arkham and Friends/Enemies dead chats.
And wisp despite looking scared as from that early wagon has settled down nicely. Apart from pushing wuffles there is a complete lack of agenda (other than being overly deferential to my slot which could be a pocket attempt but just doesn't feel like one).
Vezok feels wrong to me here. But I've incorrectly scum read him in lie 3 straight games now so I want to take it slowly.
The closest I've seen him come to faking it is the off the grid game we were buddies together in. He bussed me early and won a final 3 posting some really clear game solving (and feeding on an otherwise impressive new to here players paranoia) but it lacked the enthusiasm part of it.
All of that preamble is to say I think we're seeing legit glimpses of it here. His worlds post and follow up with KJ just reads with excitment. As does his "surprise" at town reading KJ. I don't want to lock it in because he's not as clear as he was in my other examples but I do think the attitude is right in a way he struggles to fake. And it goes back to his not caring about wins or loses normally, it really shows when he gets caught up in the excitment of solving which manifests differently than his excitment at fooling people.
And KK is just completely absent. I can't associate a single idea with either head at this point.
Tbh, I like the very few posts ur slot has made... thats all it is, no reason to think your scum, or even focus you....
still dont get how my initial posts were scared...
and you know what, I did think about how town!wuffles, would interact with tom, and I also tried to compare Vez's tunneling and meta this game to his meta, in arkham, but tbh, its just wine, since i dont know how Wuffles plays scum, or how Vez plays scum... and being wrong 3 times doesnt mean you cant be right now.
i guess ill throw out a read list, not something I do often
ok with lynching:
Tom, Kami
Scummy imo but can resolve later:
Vez
Wuffles
Town:
Grape
Killjoy
Going to reread Vezok in a bit. Have to go for now.
Why are you so low in KamiKazin but so high on me? That's what I don't grt about you. You say I haven't done anything and have no reason to focus me but are perfectly happy to lynch them when you don't have anything on them. What's the difference?
also Kami's post at the top of the page, and Tom's defense of him, just felt like w/w...
and the difference is that, in the very little posts both ur slot and Kami's slot has posted, I actually liked riku's posts, and at first I didnt even want to focus on either of these two slots, but wuffles is not happening, killjoy is hands down town, Vez is townish/scummish due to meta, so that leaves kami and Tom... thats my poe in a weird way, cause im poeing based on the fact that, a lot of people outside Tom are town reading wuffles...
honestly if wuffles is scum, tom is never scum
if tom is scum, wuffles is never scum, or thats some ***** bussing on wuffles part (actually thats wrong, wuffles is never scum with tom)
if wuffles flips town, imo Kami could be scum, his vote wasnt so great on Wuffles
Vez/Kami are either V/V or W/V after his vote swap, never both scum
so maybe Wuffles is still a good lynch for info, but I hate lynching for info...
Scum care more about how they are read than town
Apparently last thinks my read on the slot looks w/w but I don't care this is wrong
They are null and also I hate playing with hydras so I barely care
If you read between the lines he knows it's NAI but is pushing me for it anyway
I'll just leave this here - it's the number of times tom's told me I have nothing on him while trying to discredit me or put words in my mouth without really saying anything of note.
The deadline Osie gave is 1AM NZ time so I might get to post once more if I'm lucky but maybe not.
I just hope I'm alive tomorrow because MAN I don't want scumsloger to get the best of me twice in two games.
I wanted to discredit you way more.
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KamikazeKazin (1) - vezokpiraka
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1) NO
2) NO
2 no
The girl told me, "Take off your jacket." I said, "Babes, man's not hot."
Nobody died last night.
With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day 2 Lynch Deadline will be July 6th (Extended due to the holiday) at 10:00:00 AM MST with a potential Twilight period of 1 to 24 hours.
So who wants to go first with mechanical information?