Like, first of all it's 2/6 not 2/7 Because I know my alignment, and I just gave percentages saying wuffles is 7% above rand and last is 2% lol. Not that those numbers are anything but made up but that's about what I'm working with.
This is not me in any kind of tunnel, or even being sure. But I'm always gonna push the best lead I've got, with my trademark "confidence"
Tom, you've currently positioned yourself to be able to vote on any wagon (but mine now but prior to my vote that wasn't really true) without any of those pesky townreads to prevent you from doing so.
And quite a bit of what you've done today involves stopping people from potentially being removed from the Lynch pool.
Tell me again how scum reading you is silly.
no, I've positioned myself to vote exactly two wagons and get myself mislynched if they both flip town
Get it right
No. that isn't correct. If you wanted to, you could shift your vote to Ruma or Kami or Vezok.You don't have any twonreads atm except me so anyone exceot me is fair game.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Like. You can't have narrowed it down to Wuffles and Last because there are two big question marks in Ruma and Kami. You can't eliminate them.
Also if both are town there won't be a third lynch.
7>lynch 1>6>scum kill>5>lynch 2>4 with 2 scum is game over.
My thoughts exactly. Two mislynches is all the scum needs. I'm really not sure how to interpret this thing. What alignment is more probable to forget how many people there are in the game?
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and if we get a mislynch today, mafia can easily force a mislynch tmr with lies, if they kill another townie tonight, well that also depends on mechanical info also
yes Ruma can still be scum, but we have 6 days, you wanna poke him? sure go ahead... but we can still focus on finding the other scum either way, so its not like its a ******* necessity...
Like. You can't have narrowed it down to Wuffles and Last because there are two big question marks in Ruma and Kami. You can't eliminate them.
Also if both are town there won't be a third lynch.
7>lynch 1>6>scum kill>5>lynch 2>4 with 2 scum is game over.
My thoughts exactly. Two mislynches is all the scum needs. I'm really not sure how to interpret this thing. What alignment is more probable to forget how many people there are in the game?
I mean...you don't see the irony in this post vezok? Really? You're one of the two that was pushing for a wisp lynch in the first 20 posts of the game which would (likely) have resulted in...a mislynch!
It's irritating that this behavior of yours is totally within the bounds of your town meta. Can you just...play better, please?
But (irony notwithstanding) you're totally right. This is a micro, and two mislynches equals death. That's what I've been saying and is why I am on Tom. Because if wisp is town (which I suspect Tom knows) then he tried to set up that winning dichotomy for when (if) wisp flips town.
Oh, and while I'm here, wisp, I'd like to address a point you made a little while ago about it being pointless to claim.
It isn't. There are five possible town roles that could be scum roles and three town roles, so if you're Jailkeeper or Baker I'd damn well expect you to claim because that would get an insta-unvote from me dawg.
Oh, and while I'm here, wisp, I'd like to address a point you made a little while ago about it being pointless to claim.
It isn't. There are five possible town roles that could be scum roles and three town roles, so if you're Jailkeeper or Baker I'd damn well expect you to claim because that would get an insta-unvote from me dawg.
u are scum... for sure after this post...
scum can be any role in this set up... any role...
and they know all the unused roles...
I almost want to derp clear for this... but I cant
What? Seriously!?!? The setup is worded pretty ambiguously on the main page if that's the case.
I just assumed the setup was balanced by:
- the possibility of a scum falseclaiming a missing role if all of the town/scum roles were in the game
- Baker/messenger being essentially vanilla
- The big 5 town/scum roles being giant question marks as to whether a scum or townie is piloting them
What? Seriously!?!? The setup is worded pretty ambiguously on the main page if that's the case.
I just assumed the setup was balanced by:
- the possibility of a scum falseclaiming a missing role if all of the town/scum roles were in the game
- Baker/messenger being essentially vanilla
- The big 5 town/scum roles being giant question marks as to whether a scum or townie is piloting them
????
This game relies heavily on mechanically catching scum, and tonally reading them...
all roles can be scum or town...
the top 5 roles just mean if town gets them, they get the town coin, and if scum gets one of the 5 upper roles, they get the scum coin...
knowing the unused roles is to prevent mass claiming from ending the game
tbh idk what to think of Wuffles after these posts... but
Vez is just bad town
Tom is Tom
Rum can possibly be scum, but Im town reading him for the sake of not tunneling on him
Killjoy again cant be scum if im not scum, literally... and yet he still is confused about me, which makes me want to go back to ******* scum reading him...
@killjoy why would you unvote me if you were scum? hypothetically speaking? unless you started a train on your own partner? I cant see it, I just cant
Kami well his earlier posts, and lack of content are why I think hes scum... and this is pretty OoG, but theres two damn people on that slot, and theres still no context...
Wuffles ur literally pushing the hardest person in this game, to be town, I just cant tonally read that slot, gun to your head, in a scenario where Tom is confirmed town, who are the scum?
Yeah 8 roles for seven players to punish early massclaims right?
ur point?
another reason you shouldnt claim, you should be using ur power roles, to find mafia, and not to save town... if someone claims, and you decide hes town for it...
you can either wine urself into focusing that said person, or choose to mechanically use ur abilities else where...
either it creates unnecessary wine.
i dont get how you thought this game would work... and I outlined several times how it worked, and even played in this setup many times outside of forum setting, just w/o the last unused role being known to scum...
Wuffles
also, answer my question outlined in my large post a little above...
gun to ur head, and tom is confirmed town, who is scum?
Killjoy
same to you why would you unvote me if you were scum? hypothetically speaking? unless you started a train on your own partner? I cant see it, I just cant
tbh I wish I had more confidence to rally votes against wuffles... wish I could not give a **** like Tom, or just tunnel like Vez... but I'm me I guess...
Like. You can't have narrowed it down to Wuffles and Last because there are two big question marks in Ruma and Kami. You can't eliminate them.
Also if both are town there won't be a third lynch.
7>lynch 1>6>scum kill>5>lynch 2>4 with 2 scum is game over.
yeah sure no read on either really
Your point?
And true I suppose (though there's several potential kill stopping roles) that was more hyperbole because im, you know, not doing that thing...
What specifically was hyperbole? That you were only scumreading Last and Wuffles?
Also, you can't not recognize how advantageous a position of not eliminating people from your personal lynch pool is as scum. IDK why we're having this discussion.
@Last:I'm not sure I can answer that objectively. "To look town" is probably the de facto answer here. I suppose as scum though I'd have pushed you longer, perhaps?
Also I'm pretty sure Wuffles is town.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So. Both of us have been unexpectedly very busy with work and other things, so our activity was much lower than we had hoped. Again, apologies for that.
This thread is not giving me any particularly strong reads. Too many people are making weak arguments; they can't all be scum trying to mislead, and the weakness means there's no leader for me to follow. At the same time, there are no clear scum slips, contradictions, or other powerful tells.
I think I have a town KJ read because it's the best of the analyses.
I don't think Last is going to be so chaotic as scum. I could be proven wrong, but if so, that's just good scum play.
Of the arguments presented, I've disliked Wuffles' Tom push the most. It feels disingenuous. It feels like he's trying too hard to convince us that he really has a tom scumread. Note the subtle distinction between that and "convince us tom is scum", which is something a townie does.
Kami, explain to me how you're okay with the person that tried to have someone lynched after 20 posts (when they'd only posted once) and then refused to explain their reasoning. And how after that they tried to say OF THE PERSON THEY WERE TRYING TO LYNCH that if they turn up town that I should be strung up tomorrow. Explain to me how that isn't the most blatant scum launchpad tactics you've ever seen.
Everyone else in this game is making efforts to explain the logic behind their posts. Except Tom. Tom doesn't get a pass to magic bag his reasoning from me this game, not after he's acted like this. >:(
Like. You can't have narrowed it down to Wuffles and Last because there are two big question marks in Ruma and Kami. You can't eliminate them.
Also if both are town there won't be a third lynch.
7>lynch 1>6>scum kill>5>lynch 2>4 with 2 scum is game over.
yeah sure no read on either really
Your point?
And true I suppose (though there's several potential kill stopping roles) that was more hyperbole because im, you know, not doing that thing...
What specifically was hyperbole? That you were only scumreading Last and Wuffles?
Also, you can't not recognize how advantageous a position of not eliminating people from your personal lynch pool is as scum. IDK why we're having this discussion.
@Last:I'm not sure I can answer that objectively. "To look town" is probably the de facto answer here. I suppose as scum though I'd have pushed you longer, perhaps?
Also I'm pretty sure Wuffles is town.
bro I don't want to lynch either of the lurkers you're the one that just told me I can't eliminate them from being scum lol
Though apparently Kami is a hydra so I would prolly lynch on principal the first time one of them says "I didn't say that"
Kami, explain to me how you're okay with the person that tried to have someone lynched after 20 posts (when they'd only posted once) and then refused to explain their reasoning. And how after that they tried to say OF THE PERSON THEY WERE TRYING TO LYNCH that if they turn up town that I should be strung up tomorrow. Explain to me how that isn't the most blatant scum launchpad tactics you've ever seen.
Everyone else in this game is making efforts to explain the logic behind their posts. Except Tom. Tom doesn't get a pass to magic bag his reasoning from me this game, not after he's acted like this. >:(
nice post
Buzzwordy AND not actually saying anything
[quote from="Wuffles_II »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/794257-token-power-mafia-day-1?comment=232"]nice post
Buzzwordy AND not actually saying anything
How I would describe every post you've made without explaining yourself
Wuffles
Like tom said, #232 is a whole lot of nothing from Wuffles, and we arent gunna focus on the in actives right now... Like Wuffles, you posts are just all bad pushes on Tom for his thought process, when have you ever been able to accurately figure out what tom was thinking? like Tom just isnt the person you read tonally, you either weed him out through PoE, or mechanically catch him, and you tunneling on him, is way worse them him tunneling on me... and hes not even, because hes also explain why each and every person here could be scum, and has even moved his fought off me to you...
like you have completely ignored the fact, that my vote has been on you for almost the entirety of the day, its like you wanna pocket me, even from you first posts, and you answering Kami's bad question, with an even worse answer...
I caught u, and nothing you do will get me to move my vote at this point
Killjoy
Why cant you see Scum!Wuffles, what about him has been town?
and its not like Tom's vote is unjustified, like idk how to handle being on trains, and when you see a train, and ur first post is, #cute, like it was honestly a bad vote...
tbh Wuffles, you should be on Vez for his statement, "If Last had, had 3 votes, I would have been happy to hammer him", like what town says that... and he pulled his vote off because he thought it was opportunistic? plz, he happily joined onto that lynch... the only thing opportunistic was his unvote, and his ***** omgus vote back on to me...
until mechanics prove other wise, Tom is town
until PoE proves otherwise, Riku, and Kami are town
so that leaves you Wuffles, Killjoy, and Vez
and all of your plays have been pretty mediocre this game...
Like. You can't have narrowed it down to Wuffles and Last because there are two big question marks in Ruma and Kami. You can't eliminate them.
Also if both are town there won't be a third lynch.
7>lynch 1>6>scum kill>5>lynch 2>4 with 2 scum is game over.
yeah sure no read on either really
Your point?
And true I suppose (though there's several potential kill stopping roles) that was more hyperbole because im, you know, not doing that thing...
What specifically was hyperbole? That you were only scumreading Last and Wuffles?
Also, you can't not recognize how advantageous a position of not eliminating people from your personal lynch pool is as scum. IDK why we're having this discussion.
@Last:I'm not sure I can answer that objectively. "To look town" is probably the de facto answer here. I suppose as scum though I'd have pushed you longer, perhaps?
Also I'm pretty sure Wuffles is town.
bro I don't want to lynch either of the lurkers you're the one that just told me I can't eliminate them from being scum lol
Though apparently Kami is a hydra so I would prolly lynch on principal the first time one of them says "I didn't say that"
So let's clarify.
You are hard scum reading last and Wuffles, Is that correct?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Like. You can't have narrowed it down to Wuffles and Last because there are two big question marks in Ruma and Kami. You can't eliminate them.
Also if both are town there won't be a third lynch.
7>lynch 1>6>scum kill>5>lynch 2>4 with 2 scum is game over.
My thoughts exactly. Two mislynches is all the scum needs. I'm really not sure how to interpret this thing. What alignment is more probable to forget how many people there are in the game?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
Like. You can't have narrowed it down to Wuffles and Last because there are two big question marks in Ruma and Kami. You can't eliminate them.
Also if both are town there won't be a third lynch.
7>lynch 1>6>scum kill>5>lynch 2>4 with 2 scum is game over.
yeah sure no read on either really
Your point?
And true I suppose (though there's several potential kill stopping roles) that was more hyperbole because im, you know, not doing that thing...
What specifically was hyperbole? That you were only scumreading Last and Wuffles?
Also, you can't not recognize how advantageous a position of not eliminating people from your personal lynch pool is as scum. IDK why we're having this discussion.
@Last:I'm not sure I can answer that objectively. "To look town" is probably the de facto answer here. I suppose as scum though I'd have pushed you longer, perhaps?
Also I'm pretty sure Wuffles is town.
bro I don't want to lynch either of the lurkers you're the one that just told me I can't eliminate them from being scum lol
Though apparently Kami is a hydra so I would prolly lynch on principal the first time one of them says "I didn't say that"
So let's clarify.
You are hard scum reading last and Wuffles, Is that correct?
I mean you're gonna hate this answer but
Of course not it's day 1 of a micro
I do think wuffles is the most likely scum, but I've got the whole game at 25% to 50% scum were just talking deviations from rand here
Kami, explain to me how you're okay with the person that tried to have someone lynched after 20 posts (when they'd only posted once) and then refused to explain their reasoning.
I (Kami-head) have personally done that before as town. I like fast wagons Day 1. If I could get every D1 to end within 100 posts, I would. I dream of having a daykill so that I can blast someone during RVS.
Day 1 analysis is overrated. We're all (well, except for whoever is scum) mostly flailing around Day 1. We're not even sure about you; we just like your flailing less than we like tom's.
Okay, so I'll go into this a bit more tonight when I'm not on mobile but: here is my current deductive seasoning for going after Tom.
Vezok and rhand are gut-reading, confident townies. They get a feeling about someone and then ride that feeling stubbornly and confidently. I don't notice either of them unless they start playing cautiously. They're super black and white in my experience and they sure as hell have been nothing if not that today. They're almost spewing town to me at this point, even though wisp is totally wrong currently. Their inflexibility I feel makes it easy for scum to take advantage of them for easy lynches day 1 which is another reason why I'm suspicious of Tom going after wisp immediately out of the gate.
Kami I don't have a good read on. They haven't posted much today except to jump on Tom and wisp's wagon of me but their reasoning seems pretty genuine, if incorrect.
Killjoy has been, well, super town so far. He's been analytical and inquisitive and pleasantly impartial, unlike anyone else posting consistently this game (possibly me included at least at times). I'd honestly feel okay just bandwagonning his logic currently before any role info comes down to provide further clues.
Rumanshi needs to post more. A lot more. I've never played with him before and the lack of posting is not helping.
That leaves Tom, and maybe Rumanshi as possible scumteam at this time.
This is not me in any kind of tunnel, or even being sure. But I'm always gonna push the best lead I've got, with my trademark "confidence"
Wuffles_II (2) - tomsloger, Lastwhisper
Lastwhisper (1) - vezokpiraka
Not Voting: KamikazeKazin, Rumanshi
KamikazeKazin (p) - 6/10, 1455 EST
Killjoy - 6/12, 1346 EST
Lastwhisper - 6/12, 1207 EST
Rumanshi - 6/11, 0118 EST
tomsloger - 6/12, 1551 EST
vezokpiraka - 6/12, 1402 EST
Wuffles_II (p) - 6/12, 0752 EST
Check done at 6/12, 1608 EST
With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Day 1 Lynch Deadline is June 18th at 0900 EST
KamikazeKazin has been prodded.
Also who is surly now?
How am I positioned to vote any of those people?
I'm only voting last or wuffles
Like, maybe if it's someone else or a no lynch I'd have to but...
Seriously you think I positioned myself for it?
How?
Also if both are town there won't be a third lynch.
7>lynch 1>6>scum kill>5>lynch 2>4 with 2 scum is game over.
My thoughts exactly. Two mislynches is all the scum needs. I'm really not sure how to interpret this thing. What alignment is more probable to forget how many people there are in the game?
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It's irritating that this behavior of yours is totally within the bounds of your town meta. Can you just...play better, please?
But (irony notwithstanding) you're totally right. This is a micro, and two mislynches equals death. That's what I've been saying and is why I am on Tom. Because if wisp is town (which I suspect Tom knows) then he tried to set up that winning dichotomy for when (if) wisp flips town.
It isn't. There are five possible town roles that could be scum roles and three town roles, so if you're Jailkeeper or Baker I'd damn well expect you to claim because that would get an insta-unvote from me dawg.
scum can be any role in this set up... any role...
and they know all the unused roles...
I almost want to derp clear for this... but I cant
scum can be the bottom 3 roles...
I just assumed the setup was balanced by:
- the possibility of a scum falseclaiming a missing role if all of the town/scum roles were in the game
- Baker/messenger being essentially vanilla
- The big 5 town/scum roles being giant question marks as to whether a scum or townie is piloting them
????
This game relies heavily on mechanically catching scum, and tonally reading them...
all roles can be scum or town...
the top 5 roles just mean if town gets them, they get the town coin, and if scum gets one of the 5 upper roles, they get the scum coin...
knowing the unused roles is to prevent mass claiming from ending the game
now im worried im wrong, gunna ask Osie...
Your point?
And true I suppose (though there's several potential kill stopping roles) that was more hyperbole because im, you know, not doing that thing...
Vez is just bad town
Tom is Tom
Rum can possibly be scum, but Im town reading him for the sake of not tunneling on him
Killjoy again cant be scum if im not scum, literally... and yet he still is confused about me, which makes me want to go back to ******* scum reading him...
@killjoy why would you unvote me if you were scum? hypothetically speaking? unless you started a train on your own partner? I cant see it, I just cant
Kami well his earlier posts, and lack of content are why I think hes scum... and this is pretty OoG, but theres two damn people on that slot, and theres still no context...
Wuffles ur literally pushing the hardest person in this game, to be town, I just cant tonally read that slot, gun to your head, in a scenario where Tom is confirmed town, who are the scum?
Could mean all 3 of those roles are clear if scumwuffles but one could be the fakeclaim
Nice. Iirc the odd role out was my idea for balancing
ur point?
another reason you shouldnt claim, you should be using ur power roles, to find mafia, and not to save town... if someone claims, and you decide hes town for it...
you can either wine urself into focusing that said person, or choose to mechanically use ur abilities else where...
either it creates unnecessary wine.
i dont get how you thought this game would work... and I outlined several times how it worked, and even played in this setup many times outside of forum setting, just w/o the last unused role being known to scum...
Honestly feel like im in a 3/2 right now, rather then a 5/2
also, answer my question outlined in my large post a little above...
gun to ur head, and tom is confirmed town, who is scum?
Killjoy
same to you
why would you unvote me if you were scum? hypothetically speaking? unless you started a train on your own partner? I cant see it, I just cant
Tom isn't town, but hypothetically if he were actually town...uh, one of vezok, you or one of the lurkers?
Kami
will you vote Wuffles?
Ruma
will you vote Wuffles?
time to stop being divided
Also, you can't not recognize how advantageous a position of not eliminating people from your personal lynch pool is as scum. IDK why we're having this discussion.
@Last:I'm not sure I can answer that objectively. "To look town" is probably the de facto answer here. I suppose as scum though I'd have pushed you longer, perhaps?
Also I'm pretty sure Wuffles is town.
This thread is not giving me any particularly strong reads. Too many people are making weak arguments; they can't all be scum trying to mislead, and the weakness means there's no leader for me to follow. At the same time, there are no clear scum slips, contradictions, or other powerful tells.
I think I have a town KJ read because it's the best of the analyses.
I don't think Last is going to be so chaotic as scum. I could be proven wrong, but if so, that's just good scum play.
Of the arguments presented, I've disliked Wuffles' Tom push the most. It feels disingenuous. It feels like he's trying too hard to convince us that he really has a tom scumread. Note the subtle distinction between that and "convince us tom is scum", which is something a townie does.
vote Wuffles
Everyone else in this game is making efforts to explain the logic behind their posts. Except Tom. Tom doesn't get a pass to magic bag his reasoning from me this game, not after he's acted like this. >:(
Though apparently Kami is a hydra so I would prolly lynch on principal the first time one of them says "I didn't say that"
Buzzwordy AND not actually saying anything
It's only even true of a single one of my reads lol
Like tom said, #232 is a whole lot of nothing from Wuffles, and we arent gunna focus on the in actives right now... Like Wuffles, you posts are just all bad pushes on Tom for his thought process, when have you ever been able to accurately figure out what tom was thinking? like Tom just isnt the person you read tonally, you either weed him out through PoE, or mechanically catch him, and you tunneling on him, is way worse them him tunneling on me... and hes not even, because hes also explain why each and every person here could be scum, and has even moved his fought off me to you...
like you have completely ignored the fact, that my vote has been on you for almost the entirety of the day, its like you wanna pocket me, even from you first posts, and you answering Kami's bad question, with an even worse answer...
I caught u, and nothing you do will get me to move my vote at this point
Killjoy
Why cant you see Scum!Wuffles, what about him has been town?
and its not like Tom's vote is unjustified, like idk how to handle being on trains, and when you see a train, and ur first post is, #cute, like it was honestly a bad vote...
tbh Wuffles, you should be on Vez for his statement, "If Last had, had 3 votes, I would have been happy to hammer him", like what town says that... and he pulled his vote off because he thought it was opportunistic? plz, he happily joined onto that lynch... the only thing opportunistic was his unvote, and his ***** omgus vote back on to me...
until mechanics prove other wise, Tom is town
until PoE proves otherwise, Riku, and Kami are town
so that leaves you Wuffles, Killjoy, and Vez
and all of your plays have been pretty mediocre this game...
correction
I'm not getting any scum vibes from Wuffles arguments. I have no idea why you think he's scummy.
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You are hard scum reading last and Wuffles, Is that correct?
Of course not it's day 1 of a micro
I do think wuffles is the most likely scum, but I've got the whole game at 25% to 50% scum were just talking deviations from rand here
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I (Kami-head) have personally done that before as town. I like fast wagons Day 1. If I could get every D1 to end within 100 posts, I would. I dream of having a daykill so that I can blast someone during RVS.
Day 1 analysis is overrated. We're all (well, except for whoever is scum) mostly flailing around Day 1. We're not even sure about you; we just like your flailing less than we like tom's.
- Kami
Vezok and rhand are gut-reading, confident townies. They get a feeling about someone and then ride that feeling stubbornly and confidently. I don't notice either of them unless they start playing cautiously. They're super black and white in my experience and they sure as hell have been nothing if not that today. They're almost spewing town to me at this point, even though wisp is totally wrong currently. Their inflexibility I feel makes it easy for scum to take advantage of them for easy lynches day 1 which is another reason why I'm suspicious of Tom going after wisp immediately out of the gate.
Kami I don't have a good read on. They haven't posted much today except to jump on Tom and wisp's wagon of me but their reasoning seems pretty genuine, if incorrect.
Killjoy has been, well, super town so far. He's been analytical and inquisitive and pleasantly impartial, unlike anyone else posting consistently this game (possibly me included at least at times). I'd honestly feel okay just bandwagonning his logic currently before any role info comes down to provide further clues.
Rumanshi needs to post more. A lot more. I've never played with him before and the lack of posting is not helping.
That leaves Tom, and maybe Rumanshi as possible scumteam at this time.