Vez telling me that wuffles is town with his ridicilous tunnel on me makes me want to vote wuffles even more
Like this dude is hard stuck on two people being scum, and everyone is town, not even some neutrals...
Like even vez could be scum, honestly could be him trying on a bs Gambit of almost looking townie by tunneling so bad, still hasn't even gave decent reasoning for anything, but ******* wine... And I won't let me self get lynched by someone who doesn't know my meta or my emotional playstyle
Last is scum and killjoy is too. That leaves Ruma, Kamikazin and wuffles. Wuffles is also town because of his reads. Those reads make no sense from any scum perspective. As scum, you'd push for the easiest lynches, not the hardest and the second hardest in the game. I mean, you can, but wuffles is not that type of player.
KamiKazin and Ruma are mostly absent, but I liked what I've seen from them and the setup only has two scum so.
Why is this in the third person? Is this not a direct answer to me?
Also this whole post is rubbish. Do better.
What are the reasons for literally everything here? I'm tired of asking.
Last is scum and killjoy is too. That leaves Ruma, Kamikazin and wuffles. Wuffles is also town because of his reads. Those reads make no sense from any scum perspective. As scum, you'd push for the easiest lynches, not the hardest and the second hardest in the game. I mean, you can, but wuffles is not that type of player.
KamiKazin and Ruma are mostly absent, but I liked what I've seen from them and the setup only has two scum so.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@kj
Wagonomics in general are fairly useless in 7 player. With no flips.
And your opinions on the (fypov) 2 person wagon are...
So yeah. That's gonna be a no from me dawg
You don't think that scum will push a wagon in a 5-2 game?
if that's what he is saying, which I never know with him, then idk if it's me not having played minis before, but I don't see how scum can't hard push lynches...
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
correction, *Tom being on wuffles, makes me not want to vote wuffles, but I also dont want to vote tom...
Why not Tom?
reasons, and if im to believe at least one scum is power wolfing my lynch, then its Vez, his not giving a ***** attitude, and failure to explain any reads, or really give any decent reasoning for anythings hes done, and completely shade my ability to play this game...
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
well I give a **** about this lynch, and I am town...
those attitudes aren't mutually exclusive.
yes, but if say we were in lylo, and we had one who didnt give much of a ***** about the game state, and another that didnt give a *****, who is mostly likely gunna get lynched? regardless of if they are scum or not? You are right they are not mutually exclusive, but they lead to undesirable game states, where your fighting with possible town because they dont care how their playstyle affects people, and then you got shift through that non sense before you figure out who is actually scum, and then there is the chance that the person not giving a **** is actually a scum, but people are too busy saying its mutually exclusive...
Why is tom scum?
Early train, ok with lynch after one post, uncooperative
Why is Killjoy scum?
Actually, killjoy is only scum if im scum, theres no other way, you may think its stupid to look at it this way, but killjoy, doesnt pull off his vote, unless hes town, or we are both scum
Why is Wuffles scum?
handful of bad posts, shade, omgus vote on Tom
Why is Ruma scum?
Nothing to point there yet
Why is Kami scum?
defending Wuffles, which goes back to my style of looking at trying to link scum together, instead of going for one at a time
Why is Vez scum?
Hard tunnel..., shade, uncooperative
simple and clean reasons
My PoE, Remove Ruma, Remove Killjoy
Leaves Kami, Wuffles, Vez, and Tom
Vez, just thinks everyone is town, and hasnt give specifically reasoning for anyone being town, seems like distancing
Kami/Wuffles could be scum together
Tom/Vez Maybe?
as of right now, with no reason to suspect Rumanshi, scum lies in those 4
also just so you know, if I get to L1 again, I will not be claiming, it does nothing
1. Scum know all roles, because they know their roles, and the unused roles
2. All we do is reveal power roles
3. Unvoting someone solely based on their role claim, will do literally noting, so it shouldnt influence ur vote
those teams arent inclusive to each other, they are what I believe, based on my theory...
so Tom/Vez, and Kami/Wuffles, dont have to necessarily be a thing
@Why are you talking about not claiming at L1 when I'm the only person voting you, with nobody joining? How afraid of getting lynched can you get?
still not afraid of getting lynched, just speaking my mind, this is ur entire case on me, "is afraid of getting lynched"...
AND SECOND OF ALL, EVERYONE SHOULD BE AFRAID OF GETTING LYNCHED REGARDLESS OF THEIR ALIGNMENT, THIS IS NEITHER A SCUM NOR TOWN TELL
and I was much as I want my flip to happen just to laugh at you, I dont play to be petty, I play to find the scum, regardless if im alive or dead, and this isnt a the game to be doing this due to size
I was hoping with the lack of Phraze, I wouldnt get this infruiated, but I was wrong, Im now stuck between scum reading Vez because hes poking at me just to piss me off, and town reading him, because he the way he plays can be this bad
and that is the only part of the post you comment on? your a selectively reading the posts of this game... like I stated before
nah theres just no way Vez is scum, thats my conclusion, wine it may be, but scum!Vez just doesnt push this hard, on someone unless he truly thinks they are scum...
@Last: Sure it's a *****ty playstyle but it doesn't mean scum for sure.
Why are you eliminating Ruma?
Also I recall asking you for scum games in ZE but I don't really wanna jump down that rabbit hole again so can you tell me some scum games again please?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Scum can act like last and just react and hop around.
Scum can act like vezok and pick a specific agenda to push.
Scum can act like ruma and not really do anything memorable.
Scum can act like Kami and just sort be reasonable.
Scum can act like Kj and [get mad at me in his next post for calling him surly]
There's lots of things scum can be doing in this game.
Maybe they'll end up on the lynch. Maybe one will get lynched. Maybe the other will bus. Maybe they'll vote eachother and we'll still mislynch.
There's lots of ways this game can unfold.
I'm down to 3 worlds. Wuffles/X, Last/X, and the world where they're both town and I suck.
Let's call the percentages 40/35/25, with the last/wuffles world not existing.
So I'm baiscally sorting y'all into those worlds (though mostly ignoring the third one so wuffles can continue scumreading me for creating a dichotomy)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
And I'm more annoyed that you didn't give a reason I could be scum than you calling me surly.
Also Vote tom
This vote inspires so much confidence.
u are just shading at this point, choosing to ignore your posts would be petty, something tells your opinion will never change unless one of me or killjoy gets lynched today
And I'm more annoyed that you didn't give a reason I could be scum than you calling me surly.
Also Vote tom
This vote inspires so much confidence.
u are just shading at this point, choosing to ignore your posts would be petty, something tells your opinion will never change unless one of me or killjoy gets lynched today
You're actually right. I'm tunneling way too hard and there's a big chance I'm wrong. At this moment last/killjoy makes the most sense as a scumteam for me, but last's posts are hard to decipher. I've seen some scummy things and almost no townie things from him, but the way he is approaching this game make me think he might not be scum. There was real pressure on him and then it dissipated and he's playing about the same. I still can't shake the feeling that he is panicked as scum caught for the wrong reasons in the beginning.
Killjoy is just scum, because that's the way he is. That tom vote is highly opportunistic while at the same time buddying up to wuffles. It might just be killjoy playing his regular game, but something still feels off about him.
I wish Rumanashi and KamiKazin would post more and get more involved, because I have almost no read on them and there's that nagging feeling that I'm wrong about last and Kami is actually scum. Ruma gave some town glimpses although you can never be sure there.
All I know is that Wuffles and tom are strong town for me and it would take a pretty great case to convince me otherwise.
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And I'm more annoyed that you didn't give a reason I could be scum than you calling me surly.
Also Vote tom
This vote inspires so much confidence.
hmm
Vezok is town for this post I think. It doesn't actually do anything to me/the way I look. It's worded in such a way that he seems to think I'm scum (and doesn't actually know that I'm not.)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Hey guise. Sorry, I am still around (and posting in games where I don't have to go back through posts) but I'm planning something substantial hopefully tonight.
Tom, you've currently positioned yourself to be able to vote on any wagon (but mine now but prior to my vote that wasn't really true) without any of those pesky townreads to prevent you from doing so.
And quite a bit of what you've done today involves stopping people from potentially being removed from the Lynch pool.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Let's talk about Tom. Tom today has done the following things.
By his third post, he'd already indicated that he was fine with lynching wisp. There is no way that anyone could know ANYONE was scum by post #21. The best he gets is that he is town gambling on a 2 in 7 chance of being right, because by this time, Wisp had literally posted twice.
Then he has the audacity to ask me why I think he's trolling. HMM I DONT KNOW maybe because you literally stated that you had decided on a lynch candidate by post 20 – how is that not trolling because there's no way in hell that you'd built a reasonable suspicion by then?!?
His next post, #72/73, he says “well actually I'm not trolling I'm just a selfish whimsical player that doesn't care about winning and refuse to explain why I think last is scum [because there's no good reason why you're pushing the last wagon except to take advantage of Vezok's stubborn gutread playstyle to lynch someone who is most likely town – see 2/7 chance of being scum] – because that behavior/style doesn't sound like a good reason to assume you're trolling all the time. >:(
And then let's talk about #80.
“f you are town wuffles is very probably scum for the way he's handled what would then be my incorrect read.” - he says, “He's positioned himself to be just... commenting on it and like, trying to appease both of us (and assuming I'm just trolling like that is probably scummy regardless of your alignment but there's margin of error there for what seems to be just his general opinion of me which I'm not quite sure he has the experience to even have)”
This post is really bad for many reasons.
It ignores the fact that Tom has not explained any reasons as to why he's voting wisp.
It ignores the fact that at the time he claimed he was ready to lynch wisp there is no way he could possibly have had good reasons for this.
But that doesn't make any sense, because aside from Vezok (whose gut reads I'm not sure I'll ever understand) and Killjoy (who immediately unvoted to prevent accidental speedlynch when he came back) he's going to have a serious uphill battle to succeed
It lays the groundwork and sets me up for a second mislynch if Wisp flips town, which would END THE GAME.
Like how am I “appeasing” anyone? My thought process was: disbelief → oh it's Tom he's probably trolling for reactions → wow okay he's not trolling - he's scum pushing a mislynch → wow he's got balls trying to set me up for lynch if wisp flips town (which he probably, not definitely will).
Yeah, I'm super happy with my vote here. Tom's scum, or at very least playing tetris while everyone else is playing call of duty.
#95, another fantastic post. He throws major shade on Rumanshi, KJ and Vezok. (Okay so I don't disagree with his assertion here about Vezok – that person has FAR too many D1 lynches but still seems to refuse to give up his “tunnel+gut+refuse to believe otherwise” meta. For at least 8 years. He's been like that since the last time I existed on this website.)
He claims that “the game would already be on lockdown if he were scum”. Yeah because lynching Wisp and then having already laid the groundwork to immediately go after me if wisp flips town totally implies you're not scum but heeeeey that's sarcasm, it totally makes you scum.
#124. Tom if I thought you actually had good reason to be voting wisp I would have been less pouncey onto you. But you don't. There's NO WAY IN HELL you had good reason for voting him as lynch candidate by post #21 unless you're trying to push a speedlynch for the lols (see: trolling.)
And either way your opinion is irrelevant to me until you're willing to explain it so it doesn't exist afaic. I've experienced enough of your refusal to explain why Tom does things to know that it isn't cute, it's incredibly irritating and – trollish. You're basically saying that nobody in the game is worth explaining your logic to and that really aggravates me almost enough to advocate a policy lynch on you. But for now, I'll stick to wanting to lynch you for being scum.
#129. Throws out “wuffles/kami” as a possibility. I've literally commented on, what, one Kami post and that was right at the start when he asked me if I thought Tom, wisp and Vezok were all town? And also anyone who is calling me out on that post should feel bad. It was a worthless question and got a worthless answer, nothing more. I didn't have anywhere near enough info to go on to make that call, not even gun to head.
Also throws out last/vezok as “current guess” in the same post. It's almost like you're all over the place, flinging mud to see what sticks. Yes, we get it, tom, you're looking for reasons to think wisp is scummy now that you've been called out, good for you.
The “Tom dichotomy” DOES assume that wisp is town. Why? Because when you voted him there was at best a 2/7 chance of him being scum, and now – honestly, I'm happy to give wisp a pass today because of how hard you've tried to get him lynched. Yeah he's been all over the place since then but that's pretty typical wisp play from what I've seen, aside from the fact that he seems to be toning down the aggressiveness significantly compared to my other experience with him.
#146 wow, okay, he's now ready to lynch me and end the day. #goodposting. Why? Because apparently I know he and wisp are “T/T”. No, Tom, I don't know if wisp is town; I never have. He's all over the place and in some ways harder to read than you at times, but he gets a pass from me today because of how hard you've gone after him. No, I'm coming after you because you're scum. But nice OMGUS vote, your logic is baseless.
#154 – Okay, so Killjoy's “wagonomics” post seemed fine; an attempt to provide analysis in a game where most players are tunnelling hard. I don't understand why there being seven players makes this kind of post useless – it looks to me like you're trying to discredit KJ here – why, I'm not sure.
#177 – The logic behind each of these lines is okay I guess except that it doesn't actually contribute anything except to look like Tom is posting things that sound like he's analysing and not just looking to mislynch which is what most of his play points to this game (though again, he has a 2/7 chance of being right about last)
The rest of his posts are meh and I'm already getting 6.5 hours sleep before work to post this because I promised y'all content and now I'm going to fall asleep bye
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Tom, you've currently positioned yourself to be able to vote on any wagon (but mine now but prior to my vote that wasn't really true) without any of those pesky townreads to prevent you from doing so.
And quite a bit of what you've done today involves stopping people from potentially being removed from the Lynch pool.
Tell me again how scum reading you is silly.
no, I've positioned myself to vote exactly two wagons and get myself mislynched if they both flip town
Like this dude is hard stuck on two people being scum, and everyone is town, not even some neutrals...
Like even vez could be scum, honestly could be him trying on a bs Gambit of almost looking townie by tunneling so bad, still hasn't even gave decent reasoning for anything, but ******* wine... And I won't let me self get lynched by someone who doesn't know my meta or my emotional playstyle
Also this whole post is rubbish. Do better.
What are the reasons for literally everything here? I'm tired of asking.
Why are you doing so little?
What precisely do you 'not buy' about my wagononics? Why is Vezok town for asking about it?
*pops head back down, scurries back to work*
Wagonomics in general are fairly useless in 7 player. With no flips.
And your opinions on the (fypov) 2 person wagon are...
So yeah. That's gonna be a no from me dawg
Choo Choo
Killjoy
lets put Vez to L2 and see what comes of it
Tom being on wuffles, makes me want to vote there as of right now
Stupid phone posting
Why is tom scum?
Early train, ok with lynch after one post, uncooperative
Why is Killjoy scum?
Actually, killjoy is only scum if im scum, theres no other way, you may think its stupid to look at it this way, but killjoy, doesnt pull off his vote, unless hes town, or we are both scum
Why is Wuffles scum?
handful of bad posts, shade, omgus vote on Tom
Why is Ruma scum?
Nothing to point there yet
Why is Kami scum?
defending Wuffles, which goes back to my style of looking at trying to link scum together, instead of going for one at a time
Why is Vez scum?
Hard tunnel..., shade, uncooperative
simple and clean reasons
My PoE, Remove Ruma, Remove Killjoy
Leaves Kami, Wuffles, Vez, and Tom
Vez, just thinks everyone is town, and hasnt give specifically reasoning for anyone being town, seems like distancing
Kami/Wuffles could be scum together
Tom/Vez Maybe?
as of right now, with no reason to suspect Rumanshi, scum lies in those 4
also just so you know, if I get to L1 again, I will not be claiming, it does nothing
1. Scum know all roles, because they know their roles, and the unused roles
2. All we do is reveal power roles
3. Unvoting someone solely based on their role claim, will do literally noting, so it shouldnt influence ur vote
so Tom/Vez, and Kami/Wuffles, dont have to necessarily be a thing
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AND SECOND OF ALL, EVERYONE SHOULD BE AFRAID OF GETTING LYNCHED REGARDLESS OF THEIR ALIGNMENT, THIS IS NEITHER A SCUM NOR TOWN TELL
and I was much as I want my flip to happen just to laugh at you, I dont play to be petty, I play to find the scum, regardless if im alive or dead, and this isnt a the game to be doing this due to size
and that is the only part of the post you comment on? your a selectively reading the posts of this game... like I stated before
PoE is down to Tom, Wuffles, Kami
vote: Wuffles
going to sleep
Why are you eliminating Ruma?
Also I recall asking you for scum games in ZE but I don't really wanna jump down that rabbit hole again so can you tell me some scum games again please?
Scum can act like last and just react and hop around.
Scum can act like vezok and pick a specific agenda to push.
Scum can act like ruma and not really do anything memorable.
Scum can act like Kami and just sort be reasonable.
Scum can act like Kj and [get mad at me in his next post for calling him surly]
There's lots of things scum can be doing in this game.
Maybe they'll end up on the lynch. Maybe one will get lynched. Maybe the other will bus. Maybe they'll vote eachother and we'll still mislynch.
There's lots of ways this game can unfold.
I'm down to 3 worlds. Wuffles/X, Last/X, and the world where they're both town and I suck.
Let's call the percentages 40/35/25, with the last/wuffles world not existing.
So I'm baiscally sorting y'all into those worlds (though mostly ignoring the third one so wuffles can continue scumreading me for creating a dichotomy)
Possible =/= probable.
And I'm more annoyed that you didn't give a reason I could be scum than you calling me surly.
Also Vote tom
This vote inspires so much confidence.
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strictly speaking, I think that means you might be my top town read
You're actually right. I'm tunneling way too hard and there's a big chance I'm wrong. At this moment last/killjoy makes the most sense as a scumteam for me, but last's posts are hard to decipher. I've seen some scummy things and almost no townie things from him, but the way he is approaching this game make me think he might not be scum. There was real pressure on him and then it dissipated and he's playing about the same. I still can't shake the feeling that he is panicked as scum caught for the wrong reasons in the beginning.
Killjoy is just scum, because that's the way he is. That tom vote is highly opportunistic while at the same time buddying up to wuffles. It might just be killjoy playing his regular game, but something still feels off about him.
I wish Rumanashi and KamiKazin would post more and get more involved, because I have almost no read on them and there's that nagging feeling that I'm wrong about last and Kami is actually scum. Ruma gave some town glimpses although you can never be sure there.
All I know is that Wuffles and tom are strong town for me and it would take a pretty great case to convince me otherwise.
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Killjoy can't be scum unless I'm scum, I will never vote him...
@last why do you want us to think kj is your buddy?
Vezok is town for this post I think. It doesn't actually do anything to me/the way I look. It's worded in such a way that he seems to think I'm scum (and doesn't actually know that I'm not.)
(Or I am and you're just regular town)
Drinks on Tom!
If u guys choose to believe my reasoning for town reading killjoy that is.
Or like Vez said we are both scum, but you don't honestly believe that
Last: link me a couple scum games.
For the wine
And quite a bit of what you've done today involves stopping people from potentially being removed from the Lynch pool.
Tell me again how scum reading you is silly.
By his third post, he'd already indicated that he was fine with lynching wisp. There is no way that anyone could know ANYONE was scum by post #21. The best he gets is that he is town gambling on a 2 in 7 chance of being right, because by this time, Wisp had literally posted twice.
Then he has the audacity to ask me why I think he's trolling. HMM I DONT KNOW maybe because you literally stated that you had decided on a lynch candidate by post 20 – how is that not trolling because there's no way in hell that you'd built a reasonable suspicion by then?!?
His next post, #72/73, he says “well actually I'm not trolling I'm just a selfish whimsical player that doesn't care about winning and refuse to explain why I think last is scum [because there's no good reason why you're pushing the last wagon except to take advantage of Vezok's stubborn gutread playstyle to lynch someone who is most likely town – see 2/7 chance of being scum] – because that behavior/style doesn't sound like a good reason to assume you're trolling all the time. >:(
And then let's talk about #80.
“f you are town wuffles is very probably scum for the way he's handled what would then be my incorrect read.” - he says, “He's positioned himself to be just... commenting on it and like, trying to appease both of us (and assuming I'm just trolling like that is probably scummy regardless of your alignment but there's margin of error there for what seems to be just his general opinion of me which I'm not quite sure he has the experience to even have)”
This post is really bad for many reasons.
It ignores the fact that Tom has not explained any reasons as to why he's voting wisp.
It ignores the fact that at the time he claimed he was ready to lynch wisp there is no way he could possibly have had good reasons for this.
But that doesn't make any sense, because aside from Vezok (whose gut reads I'm not sure I'll ever understand) and Killjoy (who immediately unvoted to prevent accidental speedlynch when he came back) he's going to have a serious uphill battle to succeed
It lays the groundwork and sets me up for a second mislynch if Wisp flips town, which would END THE GAME.
Like how am I “appeasing” anyone? My thought process was: disbelief → oh it's Tom he's probably trolling for reactions → wow okay he's not trolling - he's scum pushing a mislynch → wow he's got balls trying to set me up for lynch if wisp flips town (which he probably, not definitely will).
Yeah, I'm super happy with my vote here. Tom's scum, or at very least playing tetris while everyone else is playing call of duty.
#95, another fantastic post. He throws major shade on Rumanshi, KJ and Vezok. (Okay so I don't disagree with his assertion here about Vezok – that person has FAR too many D1 lynches but still seems to refuse to give up his “tunnel+gut+refuse to believe otherwise” meta. For at least 8 years. He's been like that since the last time I existed on this website.)
He claims that “the game would already be on lockdown if he were scum”. Yeah because lynching Wisp and then having already laid the groundwork to immediately go after me if wisp flips town totally implies you're not scum but heeeeey that's sarcasm, it totally makes you scum.
#124. Tom if I thought you actually had good reason to be voting wisp I would have been less pouncey onto you. But you don't. There's NO WAY IN HELL you had good reason for voting him as lynch candidate by post #21 unless you're trying to push a speedlynch for the lols (see: trolling.)
And either way your opinion is irrelevant to me until you're willing to explain it so it doesn't exist afaic. I've experienced enough of your refusal to explain why Tom does things to know that it isn't cute, it's incredibly irritating and – trollish. You're basically saying that nobody in the game is worth explaining your logic to and that really aggravates me almost enough to advocate a policy lynch on you. But for now, I'll stick to wanting to lynch you for being scum.
#129. Throws out “wuffles/kami” as a possibility. I've literally commented on, what, one Kami post and that was right at the start when he asked me if I thought Tom, wisp and Vezok were all town? And also anyone who is calling me out on that post should feel bad. It was a worthless question and got a worthless answer, nothing more. I didn't have anywhere near enough info to go on to make that call, not even gun to head.
Also throws out last/vezok as “current guess” in the same post. It's almost like you're all over the place, flinging mud to see what sticks. Yes, we get it, tom, you're looking for reasons to think wisp is scummy now that you've been called out, good for you.
The “Tom dichotomy” DOES assume that wisp is town. Why? Because when you voted him there was at best a 2/7 chance of him being scum, and now – honestly, I'm happy to give wisp a pass today because of how hard you've tried to get him lynched. Yeah he's been all over the place since then but that's pretty typical wisp play from what I've seen, aside from the fact that he seems to be toning down the aggressiveness significantly compared to my other experience with him.
#146 wow, okay, he's now ready to lynch me and end the day. #goodposting. Why? Because apparently I know he and wisp are “T/T”. No, Tom, I don't know if wisp is town; I never have. He's all over the place and in some ways harder to read than you at times, but he gets a pass from me today because of how hard you've gone after him. No, I'm coming after you because you're scum. But nice OMGUS vote, your logic is baseless.
#154 – Okay, so Killjoy's “wagonomics” post seemed fine; an attempt to provide analysis in a game where most players are tunnelling hard. I don't understand why there being seven players makes this kind of post useless – it looks to me like you're trying to discredit KJ here – why, I'm not sure.
#177 – The logic behind each of these lines is okay I guess except that it doesn't actually contribute anything except to look like Tom is posting things that sound like he's analysing and not just looking to mislynch which is what most of his play points to this game (though again, he has a 2/7 chance of being right about last)
The rest of his posts are meh and I'm already getting 6.5 hours sleep before work to post this because I promised y'all content and now I'm going to fall asleep bye
Rumanshi, post more. Kami, you too.
Is it just Tom/Kami? Kami AND his partner are lurking pretty hard.
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