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like did you really go out of your way to pull up a quote from a god knows how old game just to point out, yet again, how scummy you think I am?

what are you doing

I just don't understand why people are so convinced by the Mikey clear. But everyone is willing to reevaluate DBS. It's just bonkers to me. Her's is so unfakable but Mikey's is tough but doable. And like Mikey is pretty talented.

I am a patently awful lynch today but I'm pretty sure it's happening and I don't understand it at all.

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Not everything is about you.

I don't really see what that has to do with it.

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why the **** would I be smug if, as you say, my entire team is in your list of four???

Because we can't lynch you toDay, and you guys are proving to be particularly effective at getting people to second-guess the PoE.

this game is over if Grape and I are both town and I don't know how to fix it

ugh

DoTA, control your other Mason

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like did you really go out of your way to pull up a quote from a god knows how old game just to point out, yet again, how scummy you think I am?

what are you doing

yes

I told you what I was doing the last time you asked

why do you keep asking

Also, apparently that game was only a year and a half ago. I thought it was much longer than that.

you think dbs and Rod won't vote for me?

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@Vezok/Iso/Vaimes: Grape/Rod/Tubba as possible team?

I think all possible scumteams have to have Vaimes, at this point. And since there's literally 0 danger of losing if Grape is a mislynch, there's no reason we can't lynch Vaimes Day 4. Especially since Grape is one of the reasons we can't lynch Vaimes toDay.

THIS IS NOT A TOWN POST!!!

All it takes to lose if I'm a mislynch is Mikey being sucm. Or Iso being scum. Chain lynching me/Vaimes/Rod is not an autowin. Vaimes is town.

actually yeah sure I'll be smug for a second

you can't lynch me @Iso @Mikey @vezok neener neener neener

there

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you think dbs and Rod won't vote for me?

Rodemy might, but we'd need both his and dawn's votes to lynch you, and that would require dawn to actually make a post.

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actually yeah sure I'll be smug for a second

you can't lynch me @Iso @Mikey @vezok neener neener neener

there

gottem

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and that would require dawn to actually make a post.

well at least we can agree on that sentiment

Iso thanks this post

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actually yeah sure I'll be smug for a second

you can't lynch me @Iso @Mikey @vezok neener neener neener

there

oh I wanna slap your punk lil scum mouth so bad

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Once they get me lynched please everyone reevaluate Mikey. Iso has no reason to clear him hard. Mikey is just scum here and if takes my flip to make people reevaluate then so be it. Remember my team break downs. You won't have a mislynch to spare.

Mikey is trying so hard to get Vaimes lynched first because he knows I flip town and he gets put under serious pressure immediately.

@Iso please walk me through why Mikey is clear. And you're right that my cross off of the Tubba/Rod/Vaimes team is reachy. That one is really probably in play but I just don't believe it at all.

oh yeah?
unvote
Vote: grape
bet.

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@Vezok/Iso/Vaimes: Grape/Rod/Tubba as possible team?

@Mikey: Go read through the D1 Vaimes/Rod exchange and tell me what scumVaimes is trying to accomplish there.

the goal is entirely to throw shade. And hey, it worked, because killjoy got lynched before vaimes. /this is partially a joke, partially serious/

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Forget your principles. Join the Grape wagon. I'm 100% on-board for a Vaimes lynch Day 4. Look at Vaimes's numbers - he's right. We can't lynch him toDay.

I think all possible scumteams have to have Vaimes, at this point. And since there's literally 0 danger of losing if Grape is a mislynch, there's no reason we can't lynch Vaimes Day 4. Especially since Grape is one of the reasons we can't lynch Vaimes toDay.

See above. Grape's gonna play with me, I'm gonna play with him.
As soon as someone else votes for vaimes I'll likely switch back over. I'm just lettin the wolves know I'm not messing around.

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I just don't understand why people are so convinced by the Mikey clear. But everyone is willing to reevaluate DBS. It's just bonkers to me. Her's is so unfakable but Mikey's is tough but doable. And like Mikey is pretty talented.

I am a patently awful lynch today but I'm pretty sure it's happening and I don't understand it at all.

1. I'm pretty sure nobody is "convinced" by my clear, and it's being used more as a safety net (if this isn't the case and you're just town reading me off of FONK, please read my iso and feel safe.)
2. What are my talents, exactly? You've seen a single game of mine, and not a particularly good one
3. D'aww, thanks.

DoTA, look.

Grape sacrificing himself just to get me mislynched toMorrow is ******* stupid when he could have just lynched me toDay and probably been fine in LyLo.

I'd be shocked if he were scum and made this post after how toDay went down:

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Once they get me lynched please everyone reevaluate Mikey. Iso has no reason to clear him hard. Mikey is just scum here and if takes my flip to make people reevaluate then so be it. Remember my team break downs. You won't have a mislynch to spare.

Mikey is trying so hard to get Vaimes lynched first because he knows I flip town and he gets put under serious pressure immediately.

@Iso please walk me through why Mikey is clear. And you're right that my cross off of the Tubba/Rod/Vaimes team is reachy. That one is really probably in play but I just don't believe it at all.

Why does scum!Grape fall on his sword protecting me, instead of his potential teammates in the PoE?

(I'd really appreciate it if people scumreading me didn't reply to this post.)

nighty-night you all
may check thread in the morning
but don't count on it

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oh I wanna slap your punk lil scum mouth so bad

Oh, my.

Are we flirting now?

I think Grape's at L-1?

Fire away, vezok.

ilu Grape

kinda hoping for a scum flip tho because it means I don't have to be the game-losing mislynch

Iso, tell Mikey in scumchat that he needs to work on his dirty talk.

What, you mean you're not into that?

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@Vezok/Iso/Vaimes: Grape/Rod/Tubba as possible team?

I think all possible scumteams have to have Vaimes, at this point. And since there's literally 0 danger of losing if Grape is a mislynch, there's no reason we can't lynch Vaimes Day 4. Especially since Grape is one of the reasons we can't lynch Vaimes toDay.

THIS IS NOT A TOWN POST!!!

All it takes to lose if I'm a mislynch is Mikey being scum. Or Iso being scum. Chain lynching me/Vaimes/Rod is not an autowin. Vaimes is town.

oops

sorry

my hand slipped

(ignore this post if Grape flips scum)

also can everyone please agree that if Grape is scum to speedlynch me toMorrow?

y'all don't want another <2 weeks of me adding another 60 pages to my ISO

and it won't immediately cause town to lose

and is probably better for town overall

lose the battle win the war etc

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@Vezok/Iso/Vaimes: Grape/Rod/Tubba as possible team?

I think all possible scumteams have to have Vaimes, at this point. And since there's literally 0 danger of losing if Grape is a mislynch, there's no reason we can't lynch Vaimes Day 4. Especially since Grape is one of the reasons we can't lynch Vaimes toDay.

THIS IS NOT A TOWN POST!!!

All it takes to lose if I'm a mislynch is Mikey being sucm. Or Iso being scum. Chain lynching me/Vaimes/Rod is not an autowin. Vaimes is town.

Yeah except Vaimes and I just explained why we can't lynch him toDay. So...try again?

I mean, from his POV it doesn't matter, since you're setting us up to be chain-lynched. Either way, town loses.

Y'know. If we're town.

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I mean, from his POV it doesn't matter, since you're setting us up to be chain-lynched. Either way, town loses.

Y'know. If we're town.

Except if he's scum?

Like, do you want me to ignore the obvious, here?

yes, except if he's scum

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I mean, from his POV it doesn't matter, since you're setting us up to be chain-lynched. Either way, town loses.

Y'know. If we're town.

This. I know I am town and suddenly people want to lynch me to make it easier to lynch Vaimes tomorrow which is a really bad way to think about it and shows that people aren't interested in actually solving the game.

I don't know why I'm at L-1 right now. No one has said anything but PoE or my push on Rod. Yesterday I was the consensus least likely to be scum in the PoE and now I'm getting lynched. I do not understand this. Especially since we do no have enough mislynches to lynch the whole PoE.

Everyone thinks you jumped to my defense because we're scum together.

Yet if you flip town, they'll completely disregard your townread on me (not to mention Killjoy's) and just invent some new theory to get me lynched.

And if you flip scum, town can afford to mislynch me and this whole thing was just wtf because you kind of helped town by giving them an extra lynch.

Anyway, point being, I'm going to mark this game off as my Worst Town Performance nomination if you flip town.

With as much cynicism and shade as I can muster.

Vote grape

Lynch vaimes tomorrow and tubba the next day.

That is a losing play. Mikey is scum in every team. I might be wrong on Vaimes but always lynch Mikey and one of tubba/rod before him. Never lynch DBS.

Read my walls talk to each other. Try to reevaluate.

Are you really town? Any other final thoughts? If you had helped lynch Vaimes you wouldn't have been the lynch.

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Are you really town? Any other final thoughts? If you had helped lynch Vaimes you wouldn't have been the lynch.

Vaimes is almost certainly town here. His reads weren't great but he has townie process. Not helping lynch him. Don't regret it. If I'm pocketed I'll accept it.

Big thing is talk seriously about the Iso and Mikey clears. You don't have a mislynch and I will be shocked if the team is Vaimes/Rod/Tubba. I wouldn't be surprised if as few as 1 of them was scum though two is probably most likely.

Mikey/Iso is a real possibility but we're always going to lose to it since we didn't lynch mikey today. Don't try for a homerun tomorrow. Just lynch the scummiest person and then worry about connections. My gut says it should be one of Rod/Mikey.

Ummm if tom hasn't finished it in a few hours I'll try to dump more thoughts but I've got to go for now.

Ohhhh and never lynch Iso if you lynch tubba. Or if you lynch Vaimes. Even in a F3. He's never buddies with those two. Rod/Mikey/Iso is a real thing but it's the only way he's scum. Don't change worlds in the second or third Lylo.

Don't read too much into bussing/distancing it will be hard to sort when the PoE is this tight.

@DBS please look for teams. Don't go for the hero lynch with the first lynch but try to have a reasonable team in mind when you start. If you lynch Vaimes and he's scum lock clear Iso. I don't think you should do that or that Vaimes is scum but remember the worlds.

If grape flips town, tubba/rod/Vaimes is impossible. Vaimes doesn't have any other combinations possible so he's probably town then.

Mikey/Iso/Rodemy would still be possible although extremely unlikely, but I can't see anything else that makes sense.

We should have lynched tubba today. If we somehow end up in 3p LyLo, it's going to be miserable.

Rod is NOT A real thing. I dance on the illusions of things like talking dinosaurs and dancing Mike Pences

Watch the scumteam be something completely dumb like tubba/rod/dawn.

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If grape flips town, tubba/rod/Vaimes is impossible. Vaimes doesn't have any other combinations possible so he's probably town then.

Mikey/Iso/Rodemy would still be possible although extremely unlikely, but I can't see anything else that makes sense.

We should have lynched tubba today. If we somehow end up in 3p LyLo, it's going to be miserable.

Tubba/Rodemy/Mikey kind of works (nothing technicaltechnically rules it out) I just really believe Vaimes is town.


We either needed to lynch 100% scum mikey or test the waters with our last pre lylo lynch on tubba/rodemy. It's going to be near impossible to win now without a break through. I couldn't solve from my slot without aa mislynch and that's pretty much all you get from my flip. No one has anything with me that rules out any pairings. Mmm picked a bad day to be disconnected.

Last best guess is Mikey/Iso/Rodemy but I'm not confident in that world. Mikey is probably the safest lynch in the first lylo but if you're picking between Rodemy and Tubba tomorrow I'd go Rod but it's close do your due diligence.

dont ignore vaimes just because of my town read

My phone crashed doing that last post surprised it went through. Was trying to say don't trust Vaimes blindly because of my town read but please reevaluate him. He's probably super able to pocket me just because one of his games was part of my intro to mafia (Bare Bones was the first game I ever read) but I really think this is town Vaimes.

I feel like my sub par play is go na lose town the game. I apologize in advance. Been distracted due to personal *****, but i don't wanna replace out because that wouldn't be fair at this point. I'll stick through and maybe have a good read toNight once grape flips.

Two more thoughts which are contradictory Tubba has just coasted toDay. Even moreso than yesterday. Make him sweat.

Contradicting that Iso's push on me is not great bob. It'snowhere near as bad as Mikeys bandwagon vote was but it was still pretty bad.

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God dammit I hate this game.

I've spent two hours lying in bed multi-quoting all of Rod's votes so I can analyse how/where he's been falling on the wagons and the further I got the more I started skimming posts. Grape goes from liking Rod after reading my ISO to asking Vaimes why Rod is town in the space of 5 posts. And then swings off of Rod to KJ (who he was confident was town to the extent of claiming masons with) after DBS votes KJ as a counter wagon to Tubba/Rod.

Vote: Grape

None of this is a reason to scum read me. Completely ignores everything I've said about KJ all game (basically tstbs which I started doubting when he was confirmed not mason) and the context of my question to Vaimes who w as expressing a much stronger clear than I had reached.

Anyway that was unproductive. .. If one of Iso or Vaimes flips scum please lock the other in as town. They are never buddies. Ever. I'd prefer doing the same with tubba and Iso but if it came down to aF3 tread carefully there.

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God dammit I hate this game.

I've spent two hours lying in bed multi-quoting all of Rod's votes so I can analyse how/where he's been falling on the wagons and the further I got the more I started skimming posts. Grape goes from liking Rod after reading my ISO to asking Vaimes why Rod is town in the space of 5 posts. And then swings off of Rod to KJ (who he was confident was town to the extent of claiming masons with) after DBS votes KJ as a counter wagon to Tubba/Rod.

Vote: Grape

rip

DoTA save me

this kind of doesn't read like someone who is really trying to save a town read. Bleh

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DoTA.

Grape is town.

Not gonna lie, I'm mostly just saying that to make me feel better, but still.

I don't think scum!Grape dumps a big team analysis post with Mikey as the fourth most likely scum, and then ends the post with "Mikey is scum in all worlds." He changed his mind while writing it. He was thinking about the possibilities and adjusted his reads as he went. He didn't write that post with the intent of voting Mikey.

He's town.

I think.

This one does though.

Mikey saying DBS is more likely scum than Iso is a hue blaring alarm. Please don't ignore it. Iso flatly dismissing any team with mikey in it with no reasoning is a defcon 1 alarm. It's textbook powerwolfing.

I need to stop spamming and trust my reads. Hood luck. See you in the post game.

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I mean, sure, if you think you can dredge up the support for a Vaimes lynch toDay.

Or if you vote Grape with me toDay I'll vote Vaimes with you Day 4. Whaddya say?

There's already decent support for a vaimes lynch. Not sure if it's coming from the right places, which makes me skeptical, but what can you do lul.

Last one I promise. The people gunning for Vaimes have been Vezok (mason), Iso (outside Mikeys poe), and Mikey. His scum reads (me and tubba) have been against it. How is it not coming from the right place?

So what'd I miss....
Grape? Grape? Graaaaaaaappppeee?!?

Why Grape? Y'know the conftown starting wagons is killing us. It's like you can't see past your hands or something. Oh, he has flexible reads that don't line up with the only game state where I'm not a prat?!? Kill him! He must be lying because other options are impossible!

Mikey's post for the last page and a half are scumtastic, evasive, brushing aside theories because they don't suit him, the whole weird "this is Mikey, on mobile" thing. Nobody suspicious of that. Grape critically thinks about the game "Obv scum!!!!"
Iso puts on another clinic to bury someone with nothing! He makes no convincing argument! "Just keep lynching these five people I told you to and we can't lose" No *****! Of course he can't lose, you're doing all the work for him! If we don't lynch Mikey or Iso tomorrow I'm gonna plotz.
Like, why is it so hard to envision the gambit? He only knew who one mason was! Why shoot the only one you know about when you can watch their interactions to pick up the rest? Everyone says "you need to shoot masons to win" sure, and once they knew them all they started to shoot them. That's how I would do it, and I'm in my first mason game! I get that's a world where you look really dumb, but mistakes were made. You get one more. Consider who's been in the drivers seat for this game, that's been tremendously scumsided. It wasn't Ruma, it wasn't Killjoy, and it sure as hell wasnt Grape (thank you for your service Grape), but isn't it convenient how one of the solviest townies is gone?

Oh, I was gonna switch back to vaimes but this works too.

Really, I 100% think if iso was scum he'd lynch masons as early as he found them. It's possible that his partners were under suspicion before and he had to shake things up, but that still leaves them in the Poe (specifically, probably tubba and grape). However, grape/tubba/vaimes is just a team that makes so much more sense. Vaimes is always a wolf at this point and i thijnk that means iso is evwn less likely to be scum than before. I know it looks awfully convenient but I have been trying to solve kj/vaimes since day 1 and nobody has been following me on that. Just gimme a chance k

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Oh, I was gonna switch back to vaimes but this works too.

Really, I 100% think if iso was scum he'd lynch masons as early as he found them. It's possible that his partners were under suspicion before and he had to shake things up, but that still leaves them in the Poe (specifically, probably tubba and grape). However, grape/tubba/vaimes is just a team that makes so much more sense. Vaimes is always a wolf at this point and i thijnk that means iso is evwn less likely to be scum than before. I know it looks awfully convenient but I have been trying to solve kj/vaimes since day 1 and nobody has been following me on that. Just gimme a chance k

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Please spew your third buddy too.