@Sentenza are you just going to ask questions and not share with the class what you're learning from them?
They asked those questions less than an hour ago. What are you expecting?
43 and 44 imply positions but don't state them and I want Sentenza to not lightly step around it. Also I didn't check timestamps.
As for thoughts on the game I think Dota's slightly townie, Rodemy maybe possibly so. Sentenza strikes me positively, but I want him (?) clarification there. DBS strikes me as scummy but that's every game for her. KJ's question was useless but I'm not convinced it was scummy. Basically Rod, Dota, and Sentenza all give slightly positive vibes so far.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
He seems... Out of place. I wanted to start a conversation to see if I could nail down his mindset a little more than just a cursory one.
@Vaimes: just because you don't see a reason for something doesn't mean there isn't one.
DoTA's scumminess, especially D1, is one of the few universal constants in mafia games. In fact, I feel like I'm being incredibly condescending by having to say it explicitly. So your reason, if any, doesn't seem like it'll be anything remotely useful to you
We are generally in agreement. You are safe for now.
How do you plan on reading dawn if she's always scummy?
I don't. My plan is to hope she's a mason and I won't have to! Unless of course we're masons together and I'm distancing. Or scum buddies and distancing while lowering expectations. But really I can't read her and will try to refrain from my customary tunnel.
@KJ you're very bloodthirsty early on, I also feel like you've made that exact more robotic than usual read on Vaimes recently.
He seems... Out of place. I wanted to start a conversation to see if I could nail down his mindset a little more than just a cursory one.
@Vaimes: just because you don't see a reason for something doesn't mean there isn't one.
DoTA's scumminess, especially D1, is one of the few universal constants in mafia games. In fact, I feel like I'm being incredibly condescending by having to say it explicitly. So your reason, if any, doesn't seem like it'll be anything remotely useful to you
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
We are generally in agreement. You are safe for now.
How do you plan on reading dawn if she's always scummy?
I don't. My plan is to hope she's a mason and I won't have to! Unless of course we're masons together and I'm distancing. Or scum buddies and distancing while lowering expectations. But really I can't read her and will try to refrain from my customary tunnel.
@KJ you're very bloodthirsty early on, I also feel like you've made that exact more robotic than usual read on Vaimes recently.
Your rumanashi read is sketchy and noticed.
But it literally feels like he has a gun to your head and he's following it up with "you may live... For now."
And there a reason for ruman. I'm not ready to say it yet though.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
We must be thinking of very different robots for the whole gun to your head thing making you think of robots. You're more HAL9000, I'm more robo caller.
And you can keep your rumanashi reason, it's still sketchy even for a preliminary read.
Follow up to the question Vaimes asked; how is a personal question like "Are you always this awkward?" help you nail down a mindset?
We must be thinking of very different robots for the whole gun to your head thing making you think of robots. You're more HAL9000, I'm more robo caller.
And you can keep your rumanashi reason, it's still sketchy even for a preliminary read.
Follow up to the question Vaimes asked; how is a personal question like "Are you always this awkward?" help you nail down a mindset?
hm How is it sketchy?
An you don't think how people answer questions links to mindset?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Fair point on the weakening part, but the second part implies that I was leaving myself a backdoor in case I got heat for the vote or something. I don't think you think that, but clarify?
It's not that you're leaving yourself a back door, it's more like you're trying to have your cake and eat it too.
I dislike how hard it is to make those two statements go together in my head. You voted dawningbluesky, and when asked why, you have a perfectly fine, if flippant answer - 'they're scum.' But what thought or idea sparked in your head to add the "but also I don't remember playing with them before."?
It was a joke answer to the “yikes.” I wanted
to be silly without passing off my vote as non serious.
We must be thinking of very different robots for the whole gun to your head thing making you think of robots. You're more HAL9000, I'm more robo caller.
And you can keep your rumanashi reason, it's still sketchy even for a preliminary read.
Follow up to the question Vaimes asked; how is a personal question like "Are you always this awkward?" help you nail down a mindset?
hm How is it sketchy?
An you don't think how people answer questions links to mindset?
Because I can read Rumanashi's 2 posts and from the little I know of Ruma be confident that he could do both as either alignment.
And it can be helpful sure, but given the question you asked I don't think you're going to get a helpful answer. And given that it was slightly OoG and personal I wouldn't be surprised if your question didn't get an answer or got an unnaturally hostile one because of the question you asked. Which several other people have already hinted at.
More importantly just replying to my question of "how does this question help?" with a generic "answers connect to mindsets" doesn't really answer anything. Why do you think a personal question will help you get a grip on his energetic early game that you wouldn't get by instead looking at Dota's recent games?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
We must be thinking of very different robots for the whole gun to your head thing making you think of robots. You're more HAL9000, I'm more robo caller.
And you can keep your rumanashi reason, it's still sketchy even for a preliminary read.
Follow up to the question Vaimes asked; how is a personal question like "Are you always this awkward?" help you nail down a mindset?
hm How is it sketchy?
An you don't think how people answer questions links to mindset?
Because I can read Rumanashi's 2 posts and from the little I know of Ruma be confident that he could do both as either alignment.
And it can be helpful sure, but given the question you asked I don't think you're going to get a helpful answer. And given that it was slightly OoG and personal I wouldn't be surprised if your question didn't get an answer or got an unnaturally hostile one because of the question you asked. Which several other people have already hinted at.
More importantly just replying to my question of "how does this question help?" with a generic "answers connect to mindsets" doesn't really answer anything. Why do you think a personal question will help you get a grip on his energetic early game that you wouldn't get by instead looking at Dota's recent games?
What do you know of Ruman that means he could be doing this as scum?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Ignoring the barb where have you read games? There are some places with distinct cultures and I'm curious what you've picked up on.
All over the place. Here, 2+2, Gamefaqs, Mafiascum, though I didn't linger there long. Giant in the Playground games, GOG.
What's GOG? Would you say you're somewhat familiar with players in this game since you've read some games here or are you coming in with a blank slate? Anyway cool, welcome!
@KJ what makes you think he couldn't? What makes me think he could is these posts line up with his personality and how OtG finished. And if your reason is as scum he wouldn't want to draw attention to the conflict from that game and leave it to rest I'd say you're making a bad read on him.
Also I checked a few games, definitely wasn't you calling Vaimes robotic. Scum points rescinded on that front.
@KJ what makes you think he couldn't? What makes me think he could is these posts line up with his personality and how OtG finished. And if your reason is as scum he wouldn't want to draw attention to the conflict from that game and leave it to rest I'd say you're making a bad read on him.
Also I checked a few games, definitely wasn't you calling Vaimes robotic. Scum points rescinded on that front.
I'm not saying he couldn't, but town is more likely.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You're a braver individual than I, killjoy. Personally, if I asked someone "are you always this awkward?" and got heat for asking a useless question, defending the question as actually useful is not a hill I'd be willing to die on. I salute you. (You might actually die on it, though.)
This happens to me a lot and it kinda irritates me. Like, I didn't ask the question for no reason so the quickness that people just dismiss it as useless and assume I'm just asking it to look busy (which has literally never been the case) is always wrong but also widely agreed with among the players usually. I'm getting tired of having to explain this.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
43 and 44 imply positions but don't state them and I want Sentenza to not lightly step around it. Also I didn't check timestamps.
As for thoughts on the game I think Dota's slightly townie, Rodemy maybe possibly so. Sentenza strikes me positively, but I want him (?) clarification there. DBS strikes me as scummy but that's every game for her. KJ's question was useless but I'm not convinced it was scummy. Basically Rod, Dota, and Sentenza all give slightly positive vibes so far.
Her.
Stepping lightly seems like a good idea to me. It's early going yet, and keeping one's positions fluid rather than stagnant seems like something to actively seek. I also think I can be incisive without being obvious, which to me seems more like a style thing than something that says anything about anyone's alignment.
The two scumreads you give here are not actual scumreads, as they as severely blunted by meta and and self-nullification. It feels like they've given more for the sake of appearances, i.e. you felt like you needed to say something to balance out the townreads, so you produced some easily handwaved-away negative things from thin air.
At that point KJ's was not supposed to be a scum read. He's blossomed into a minor one in the intervening time. The DBS one however you're correct in saying it's self nullified. My point to Vaimes was that DBS was a bad person to scum read here. The meta and nullifying it was the point of bringing it up.
Fair enough on your first points. Fluid positions are fine as long as they're justified and I didn't give you time to do anything.
@KJ but I asked you what you'd hope to get out of the question and you deflected rather than answering me! So while constantly having your questions questioned is frustrating you avoided a chance to clear it up. Also I never assumed you did it to look busy. My charitable reading is you did it to give Dota a life-raft not worrying about how blunt you were, the uncharitable reading is that you were subtly provoking him and trying to color his answer. I'm leaning towards the latter at the moment.
This happens to me a lot and it kinda irritates me. Like, I didn't ask the question for no reason so the quickness that people just dismiss it as useless and assume I'm just asking it to look busy (which has literally never been the case) is always wrong but also widely agreed with among the players usually. I'm getting tired of having to explain this.
Of course you had a reason. All questions have reasons, even if the reason is simply "to look silly" or "to annoy someone." There are good reasons, bad reasons, all kinds of reasons. A question being asked for a reason doesn't get it off the hook for being useless, though. Since we're playing a game of mafia, "usefulness" is implicitly agreed upon to refer to the degree that any given action will help you determine someone's alignment.
You're attempting to couch the usefulness of your question in terms of how it might give you insight into DoTArchon's mindset, yet the actual practical force of your question virtually demanded a negative response. A dismissal, attack, snark-filled joke, even outright ignoring. For someone who's asking us to believe that your question was pointed at something as tricky, nuanced, and subtle as someone's mindset, the words you used showed a pretty stark lack of understanding of the mindset you yourself were communicating.
Which is why it's hard to believe what you're saying is true.
Hm. I like this answer.
Can you describe your scumgame for me? Your understanding of it, please.
43 and 44 imply positions but don't state them and I want Sentenza to not lightly step around it. Also I didn't check timestamps.
As for thoughts on the game I think Dota's slightly townie, Rodemy maybe possibly so. Sentenza strikes me positively, but I want him (?) clarification there. DBS strikes me as scummy but that's every game for her. KJ's question was useless but I'm not convinced it was scummy. Basically Rod, Dota, and Sentenza all give slightly positive vibes so far.
Her.
Stepping lightly seems like a good idea to me. It's early going yet, and keeping one's positions fluid rather than stagnant seems like something to actively seek. I also think I can be incisive without being obvious, which to me seems more like a style thing than something that says anything about anyone's alignment.
The two scumreads you give here are not actual scumreads, as they as severely blunted by meta and and self-nullification. It feels like they've given more for the sake of appearances, i.e. you felt like you needed to say something to balance out the townreads, so you produced some easily handwaved-away negative things from thin air.
At that point KJ's was not supposed to be a scum read. He's blossomed into a minor one in the intervening time. The DBS one however you're correct in saying it's self nullified. My point to Vaimes was that DBS was a bad person to scum read here. The meta and nullifying it was the point of bringing it up.
Fair enough on your first points. Fluid positions are fine as long as they're justified and I didn't give you time to do anything.
@KJ but I asked you what you'd hope to get out of the question and you deflected rather than answering me! So while constantly having your questions questioned is frustrating you avoided a chance to clear it up. Also I never assumed you did it to look busy. My charitable reading is you did it to give Dota a life-raft not worrying about how blunt you were, the uncharitable reading is that you were subtly provoking him and trying to color his answer. I'm leaning towards the latter at the moment.
While you are not currently assuming I did it to look busy, I constantly get that accusation. Also I have always thoguht that 'busywork' is primarily a retrospective scumtell. Like, after you know a person is scum you look back at their posts and judge their questions to have no basis and be busywork.
Anyhow, I digress. That's not what I'm doing. I am literally hoping to start a converstation with him. Maybe I'll get some insight into him based on his resposne to that question. Maybe somewhere down the line. Maybe he never says anything that links to mindset, but that in and of itself could say something about him.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
It's not the vote. It's the "who are you?" If you had mason orrr scum chat, i feel like that would be discussed there.
In the first quote, the phrasing you use makes it seem like you're casting doubt on that fact - like, you're implying that the player in question did that on purpose. The second quote makes it seem more like you take the statement at face value. Can you clarify your actual position on this issue and why you felt it was important to bring up?
It. Was. An. Observation. Start conversation. Discussion. And look, it worked.
I never said it was scummy. I didnt even imply it was scummy.
Im staying that i notice that he established you two not being connected publicly which can be used later if needed. Accountability. PoE.
His reaction (and tbh, dbs) was that this was scummy.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
She's not new. She's jsut new HERE. She's played before on several other sites. She says so earlier.
She said this is her first game. She only read other games before, but never played. I don't know what you are reading.
...OH. I misread that. I thought she had said she's played on all those sites.
@Sent: You can ignore that question about your scumgame since you're so new you literally won't have one. Unless you have other kinds of mafia experiance? IRL/IRC/The Resistance/Whatever? Your playstyle seems very... productive.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
It's not the vote. It's the "who are you?" If you had mason orrr scum chat, i feel like that would be discussed there.
In the first quote, the phrasing you use makes it seem like you're casting doubt on that fact - like, you're implying that the player in question did that on purpose. The second quote makes it seem more like you take the statement at face value. Can you clarify your actual position on this issue and why you felt it was important to bring up?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
It's not the vote. It's the "who are you?" If you had mason orrr scum chat, i feel like that would be discussed there.
In the first quote, the phrasing you use makes it seem like you're casting doubt on that fact - like, you're implying that the player in question did that on purpose. The second quote makes it seem more like you take the statement at face value. Can you clarify your actual position on this issue and why you felt it was important to bring up?
/barn (emphasis mine)
I do have slight doubt given the question. Is it scummy? No. Is your reaction scummy? You betcha.
I find my self aligning thought with killjoy.
Vaimes is... i dunno.
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How do you plan on reading dawn if she's always scummy?
Backs off almost immediately.
These feel like he's testing waters. as town, i can see that as a good thing, but he never did it with his first serious vote (and you saying dbs is scum solidifies it as serious. )
As scum, could be looking for an easy d1 mislynch.
Also, poking at the fact that i wad being Capitan obvious doesnt help, as its probably something some would look over, such as dbs.
I thought it was a good observation. So *nyah*
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Why is backing off a bad thing if I am either in the wrong or I agree with the person?? If I wanted an easy D1 mislynch I’d go for you or DoTA.
It was a super duper obvious observation given the setup is literally just “some people have private group chats.”
I disagree that Rodemy is an easy mislynch. He's been derpcleared in both games I played with him almost instantly and it's almost too obvious when he is town.
I'm tempted to just vote ganderin and work from there.
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(There's no way for me to word that without it sounding aggressive; it's not.)
I'm... Scum reading you for it.
What kind of answer were you expecting here? I'm curious.
I thought you might ask me questions or see how my posting potentially changes over the next several days or something. Shrug.
Carry on.
God. The time if this is just so.
It doesn't feel like you're trying to figure me out. It feels like you're just making a statement not for your benefit, but for my detriment.
You'll have to explain what you mean here by "detriment." Am I phrasing my statements in a way that any response on your part would make you look bad? If so, would you cite them?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
43 and 44 imply positions but don't state them and I want Sentenza to not lightly step around it. Also I didn't check timestamps.
As for thoughts on the game I think Dota's slightly townie, Rodemy maybe possibly so. Sentenza strikes me positively, but I want him (?) clarification there. DBS strikes me as scummy but that's every game for her. KJ's question was useless but I'm not convinced it was scummy. Basically Rod, Dota, and Sentenza all give slightly positive vibes so far.
He seems... Out of place. I wanted to start a conversation to see if I could nail down his mindset a little more than just a cursory one.
@Vaimes: just because you don't see a reason for something doesn't mean there isn't one.
We are generally in agreement. You are safe for now.
How do you plan on reading dawn if she's always scummy?
I don't. My plan is to hope she's a mason and I won't have to! Unless of course we're masons together and I'm distancing. Or scum buddies and distancing while lowering expectations. But really I can't read her and will try to refrain from my customary tunnel.
@KJ you're very bloodthirsty early on, I also feel like you've made that exact more robotic than usual read on Vaimes recently.
Your rumanashi read is sketchy and noticed.
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And there a reason for ruman. I'm not ready to say it yet though.
And you can keep your rumanashi reason, it's still sketchy even for a preliminary read.
Follow up to the question Vaimes asked; how is a personal question like "Are you always this awkward?" help you nail down a mindset?
(There's no way for me to word that without it sounding aggressive; it's not.)
An you don't think how people answer questions links to mindset?
What kind of answer were you expecting here? I'm curious.
Carry on.
to be silly without passing off my vote as non serious.
Because I can read Rumanashi's 2 posts and from the little I know of Ruma be confident that he could do both as either alignment.
And it can be helpful sure, but given the question you asked I don't think you're going to get a helpful answer. And given that it was slightly OoG and personal I wouldn't be surprised if your question didn't get an answer or got an unnaturally hostile one because of the question you asked. Which several other people have already hinted at.
More importantly just replying to my question of "how does this question help?" with a generic "answers connect to mindsets" doesn't really answer anything. Why do you think a personal question will help you get a grip on his energetic early game that you wouldn't get by instead looking at Dota's recent games?
It doesn't feel like you're trying to figure me out. It feels like you're just making a statement not for your benefit, but for my detriment.
And I RARELY look at recent games.
Nope, not really.
What's GOG? Would you say you're somewhat familiar with players in this game since you've read some games here or are you coming in with a blank slate? Anyway cool, welcome!
Also I checked a few games, definitely wasn't you calling Vaimes robotic. Scum points rescinded on that front.
That was my point
At that point KJ's was not supposed to be a scum read. He's blossomed into a minor one in the intervening time. The DBS one however you're correct in saying it's self nullified. My point to Vaimes was that DBS was a bad person to scum read here. The meta and nullifying it was the point of bringing it up.
Fair enough on your first points. Fluid positions are fine as long as they're justified and I didn't give you time to do anything.
@KJ but I asked you what you'd hope to get out of the question and you deflected rather than answering me! So while constantly having your questions questioned is frustrating you avoided a chance to clear it up. Also I never assumed you did it to look busy. My charitable reading is you did it to give Dota a life-raft not worrying about how blunt you were, the uncharitable reading is that you were subtly provoking him and trying to color his answer. I'm leaning towards the latter at the moment.
Can you describe your scumgame for me? Your understanding of it, please.
While you are not currently assuming I did it to look busy, I constantly get that accusation. Also I have always thoguht that 'busywork' is primarily a retrospective scumtell. Like, after you know a person is scum you look back at their posts and judge their questions to have no basis and be busywork.
Anyhow, I digress. That's not what I'm doing. I am literally hoping to start a converstation with him. Maybe I'll get some insight into him based on his resposne to that question. Maybe somewhere down the line. Maybe he never says anything that links to mindset, but that in and of itself could say something about him.
It. Was. An. Observation. Start conversation. Discussion. And look, it worked.
I never said it was scummy. I didnt even imply it was scummy.
Im staying that i notice that he established you two not being connected publicly which can be used later if needed. Accountability. PoE.
His reaction (and tbh, dbs) was that this was scummy.
I ****in died.
That is the extent of my catch up before work.
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She said this is her first game. She only read other games before, but never played. I don't know what you are reading.
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@Sent: You can ignore that question about your scumgame since you're so new you literally won't have one. Unless you have other kinds of mafia experiance? IRL/IRC/The Resistance/Whatever? Your playstyle seems very... productive.
What do you think about Vaimes?
I do have slight doubt given the question. Is it scummy? No. Is your reaction scummy? You betcha.
I find my self aligning thought with killjoy.
Vaimes is... i dunno.
Vaimes is doing this thing where he questions people and then just backs off.
Why havent you done this for your actual vote?
Addon: it seems he backs off in respond to people calling him out.
He starts with dota, and dota (very sloppily) says he saw his vote as rvs. And he just..backs off.
Then with killjoy..
Backs off almost immediately.
These feel like he's testing waters. as town, i can see that as a good thing, but he never did it with his first serious vote (and you saying dbs is scum solidifies it as serious. )
As scum, could be looking for an easy d1 mislynch.
Also, poking at the fact that i wad being Capitan obvious doesnt help, as its probably something some would look over, such as dbs.
I thought it was a good observation. So *nyah*
It was a super duper obvious observation given the setup is literally just “some people have private group chats.”
I disagree that Rodemy is an easy mislynch. He's been derpcleared in both games I played with him almost instantly and it's almost too obvious when he is town.
I'm tempted to just vote ganderin and work from there.
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You already declared that Grape wouldn't be brutally murdered once before. Why do you have to do it again?
Like. How does this progression work? There's such a...disconnect.
I think I want to Vote Vaimes