Say Iso's PoE is one scum short. Who's more likely to be the third mafia: Iso or dbs, and why?
DBS, easy. I know you're running around with this "BUT MUH POCKETED MASONS" theory, but it's garbage. If you know who the masons are, there's absolutely no reason to not kill them if you're just planning on killing them later. DBS has no reason to be clear, so my own PoE aligns with Iso's plus one. I've already shared my thoughts on DBS though. It's just much more likely that you're scum than any other insane world.
Say Iso's PoE is one scum short. Who's more likely to be the third mafia: Iso or dbs, and why?
DBS, easy. I know you're running around with this "BUT MUH POCKETED MASONS" theory, but it's garbage. If you know who the masons are, there's absolutely no reason to not kill them if you're just planning on killing them later. DBS has no reason to be clear, so my own PoE aligns with Iso's plus one. I've already shared my thoughts on DBS though. It's just much more likely that you're scum than any other insane world.
Hey Mikey, I have another fun question for you.
Do you want to die before or after dbs?
vote emcee_mikey
So that was one of my favorite moments in mafia I have ever done. Not only did I prevent the mislynch of one VERY town, vaimes, i ****ed up the entire scumteam by doing so.
Let's clean up shop, boys
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Vaimes, oh vaimes, forgive me for
Trying to lynch you, that play was poor
Can you find inside your hot sexy sweet voluptuous bod
To forgive the ever groveling Rod?
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It's worth pointing out that dbs and Iso are the only ones to claim "a friend" flavors, while flipped town usually have best friends (or in the case of Ruma, some kind of extra detail/descriptor):
Well rod, I think I'm ready to do this. If we lose, then it will be to the some of the most spectacular scum theatre, and Dawn just don't seem really interested in playing anyway. Vote Dawn
Well rod, I think I'm ready to do this. If we lose, then it will be to the some of the most spectacular scum theatre, and Dawn just don't seem really interested in playing anyway. Vote Dawn
Um? If we lose then you are scum.
vote dawn
That being said if you are scum then gg, ya got everyone.
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I know what you mean, and if you feel like you'd prefer to play after you've seen more villagers in action, then go for it. I just think there are a lot of players who think in a lot of different ways, and you're probably never going to stop being surprised by how some people play when they're town every now and then.
And I'm super selfish and just want to play with you again.
I mean, @sentz what you perceive a villager should be doing isn't necessarily what others believe. I am a paranoid player ots my play style and it works pretty well most of the time. Like, i may have done it ass backwards but i caught iso in the end. And I got my words in on mikey early on. Like, i may have seemed like i was a crazy dumb player, but i managed to hone in on the scum team. I was just so uncertain about vaimes until d4. Grape And KJ were up on the air, and i caught that connection between dota and you instantly. Yeah, i waffles a bit on it, and what i really was trying to get at was you two had to be connected due to the obviousness of the question. Like, i think i used the " they could have talked about it in chat" argument improperly.
Idk, in my head if you guys had chat, dota would have asked publicly a question you could have been asked in chat so he can distance himself.
And that's how it works sometimes. You may have saw vaimes as so town, but i saw him as TOO town which in my head can scream scum.
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I don't know about well-played, given I chased after the Masons, flooded the thread, and was loudly declaring how super duper cleared Mikey and dbs were. This was probably my worst towngame in terms of solving /and/ clearing myself.
But town really turned it around on D4 (personally I thought it was obvious that vezok was baiting the scumteam) and I'm just happy that our team came together.
Just goes to show that being wrong isn't awful just as long as you aren't wrong one too many times.
I haven't been mislynched (if you don't count alts) in a couple of years now so I think I was freaking out more than usual this game when it was clear I was being set up as the LyLo mislynch.
Vaimes was clear day one. I just played with Vaimes in one of his better scum games and this was nighttime and day from that. Vaimes is a player where volume clear is a thing. Plus he was ridiculously townie.
I totally called Mikey out and the clear on him being garbage, so I’m happy about that.
@sentenza, I thoroughly watching you play and I’m exceedingly impressed with you in your first game. I hope you stick around; I have Sign ups open for another normal game if you’d be interested.
@Mikey: Can you please explain or point me to where you have explained your townread of Ruma (without claiming you're Mason's)? Even after Grape's points regarding Ruma's first big post and the Ruma/Vaimes interaction you're still adamant Ruma is town and I don't understand how you've reached that conclusion.
@Grape: Is Mikey the third with you and KJ? It's the only explanation I can think of for why you still have a townread of him.
Where I am right now (lying in bed posting ) on the gamestate:
Town reads until I die (unless something massively drastic happens):
Rodemy/Vaimes: My reads are linked here based mainly on their interactions with one another. Unless they are exactly S/S and have orchestrated an amazing amount of scum theatre there is no way this is a T/S interaction. Both have banged their heads against the wall trying to get through to the other.
Dawningbluesky: The DBS slip looks legit enough that I'm onboard with the lockdown read others have given her. P.S. @DBS: Tom made it very clear in both the signup thread and the opening post of the game that it's 3 scum and 10 town(of which three are masons). I understand what you're saying about what you read offsite about what a mason is but unless Tom has made this a multiball game there is no way the masons are scum here. You can confirm this with him if you really feel it's necessary but trust that there is a reason multiple people have said that masons =/= scum here.
Varying degrees of Town/Null:
Grapefruit21: Grape scares me the same way that Shadow does, his scumgame is strong enough that even if he is town I get paranoid enough to look for reasons to scum read him (read Haiku Mafia for an amazingly bad Shadow conspiracy theory I concocted). Occam's makes me want to believe the Grape/KJ mason team is accurate but Grape is next level enough to claim mason as scum knowing he can explain why he hasn't been NK'd. And there is something he posted earlier that has my paranoia levels at near maximum but I'd rather not hand it to scum on a silver platter. They can work for that bit of info or just kill masonGrape.
Vezokpiraka: I've just played with town Vezok, the game is still ongoing so I can't say too much here other than I'm seeing a similarity that makes me doubt he's scum.
Ganderin_Dan: Nothing jumps out as scum in anything he's posted but he's not on a town level with Rod/Vaimes/DBS.
Sentenza: Unless the scumteam are coaching her on exactly what to say I cannot believe a first time forum player has this strong a scumgame. Her reads and thoughts are easy to follow and the town mindset of solving the game is very evident.
Iso: Replaced into a nonposting slot so too early to form a read. Posts made so far not setting off any alarm bells.
Killjoy: If it wasn't for the Grape/KJ Occam's theory I'd have KJ as null rather than leantown. I need to reread his ISO and the KJ/Vaimes interactions. The fact that several people have expressed scum reads of KJ worries me that I've either missed something or he's a mislynch waiting to happen. In which case, Vote Count Analysis!
MDK:
Rumanshi: Lynch with extreme prejudice. The points raised about his content (or lack thereof) and the differences between Ruma here and in OtG line up with how I was reading him as I caught up. Especially during the Vaimes clash.
Emcee_Mikey: Claimed Ruma here is the same as Ruma in OtG, claimed mason partners with Ruma, refuses to consider any contrary viewpoint regarding Ruma. Either Mikey is town hoping to mason claim a scum player to avoid being the NK or he's scum with Ruma who acts shocked when Ruma flips and falls back on the "was trying to dodge the NK" defense. Or he's scum linking himself to townRuma for cred knowing Ruma is a likely early lynch. I'm thinking we lynch Mikey first, if he flips town/mason it looks a lot better for Ruma.
Tubba: I can't put my finger on it exactly but Tubba just doesn't read as town to me. I wouldn't lock him down as definite scum but he's leanscum for me at the moment. Will need to reread to figure out if I'm just chasing shadows or if there's something there.
Firstly, Vez never asked me to vote for Vaimes, something occurred to me that made me reconsider my townread. The vote was very much based on paranoia and meta combined but I just can't wrap my head around scumVaimes (sorry Vez).
Okay, I have a feeling Vezok just told Dota to vote vaimes and dota himself doesn't really have anything to say about this game.
Considering that I'm voting alongside you on your top? your scumread, why the shade here?
Is vaimes/iso possible? Cause otherwise I don't see why vaimes is pushing this so hard. Like, you always always go for masons if you're a wolf. The only reason to really like make the play iso did is if his scumbuddies were under heavy suspicion before ruma gained traction. This is the scenario I see in scumchat:
"Dude you need to get in here we're not doing so great"
"K I think Ruma is an easy lynch, I'll pressure him and it'll look good."
"Then what?"
"Oh, I know who two, maybe three of the masons are, so tomorrow I'll claim to have the game solved and hope that everyone lynches the three people I tell them to."
"Why not just kill the masons?"
"This will be Sooooo much better."
If the wolves aren't really under any kind of suspicion it doesn't make sense to cause that much panic and discussion. If iso is a wolf like then his partners still have to be in the PoE and he was just hoping to hit the other 3. I'm gonna go reread the beginning of Day 2 just to see. I still don't think iso is a wolf and vaimes is just trying to enlarge the PoE to give us greater chances to miss. If vaimes lives through tomorrow I guarantee he'll be even more paranoid and suggest even more crazy theories, because we're guaranteed to hit a wolf in lylo.
Also rip this game ending before GP Vegas, might as well take our time now.
If we lynch town toDay then toMorrow is LyLo, town lynched plus one mason NK'd means tomorrow is 3VT/1MS/3SC. How are we guaranteed to hit a wolf? And what point are you trying to make here about Iso/Vaimes?
Yhis game was so much fun! Thanks to everyone. First tom you're the dude and running a smooth game while bring lead towards and agonizingly slow lynch in another sounds horrible. Props for keeping this tunning so smoothly.
@Vezok and Dota I'm sorry I groused so much about getting lynched in the spec chat... You guys actually did a good job and the fact that you were able to reset your gamestate after that is a testament to your play.
@Sentenza I can understand wanting to go run and hide after that experience but you were awesome and whenever you want to play here again I look forward to it. Your style was a breath of fresh air and thanks fot signing up!
@Mafia team you guys all had me fooled at various points. Iso your confidence and bluster screamed town!Iso to me. As did your refusing to share reads. It was a super cool play and I'm impressed it worked as well as it did for you. Mikey and DBS let's just say I'm glad people eventually ignored my loud calls to clear you... I wasn't even close till it was too late and not even then.
@Dan I wad really looking forward to seeing you in action and I hope to see you soon. And not ser you die early.
@Rod and Tubba you guys smashed the lylo's. Rod there was so much cheering for you to make it back in time in the discord. And your race against DBS was secretly thrilling. Tubba your efforts to not get lynched were insane. You managed to bleed townie in a way that I fully expext to lose to if you ever roll scum again.
@Vaimes I tried to keep up with your post count but just didn't have it in me. You are great and were an absolute pleasure to roll town with. Our chat D3 as I was getting lynched was a highlight for me.
first half of my performance was my usual play, I guess. later on I was dragged down by...things, and couldn't really put in any effort. didn't open this site, and whenever I did it was always night. wanted to replace out by D3, but thought I could handle it, and I repped out from another game so I didn't want to overstay any generosity. meh. from feedback I guess my play was going good so, sorry that I couldn't live up to expectations (of a scum allkill). then again, scumteam technically won by D4 considering majority and lylo.
won't be playing for a while if that makes anyone feel better
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This doesn't. You're talented and you're good at this game. And yes you and I have had some really serious clashes over the past few games but I don't want you to just stop playing here. Just take a look at your actions and see if they're really how you want to present yourself.
won't be playing for a while if that makes anyone feel better
This doesn't. You're talented and you're good at this game. And yes you and I have had some really serious clashes over the past few games but I don't want you to just stop playing here. Just take a look at your actions and see if they're really how you want to present yourself.
I’s second this. Dawn, I may find you frustrating, but I don’t see any reason why you should give up instead of aiming to improve, both as a player and as a personality. As a general rule, if something knocks you down, if you enjoy it, it’s worth it to get up and strive to be better. I told Ruma the same thing in spec chat for this game.
@Sentenza: You're bound to find people who play completely against your expectations. Some do this specifically to mess with your expectations, others do this because they enjoy a different style of play. Simply watching games won't really get a feel for these kinds of things, though.
(Annnd, time to do my assignment. Yay)
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We probably couldn't have lynched Iso without you. Hey Mikey, I have another fun question for you.
Do you want to die before or after dbs?
vote emcee_mikey
So that was one of my favorite moments in mafia I have ever done. Not only did I prevent the mislynch of one VERY town, vaimes, i ****ed up the entire scumteam by doing so.
Let's clean up shop, boys
Vaimes, oh vaimes, forgive me for
Trying to lynch you, that play was poor
Can you find inside your hot sexy sweet voluptuous bod
To forgive the ever groveling Rod?
Vote Mikey
Methinks he doth protest too much, and now he must die
Im good either way
Don't be coy. I have things to dom >:[
God damnit autocorrect. Outting me as master sex dungeon owner.. ugh.
Come on, Mikey, the least you can do is lolcat.
Vote Mikey
Mikey (3): tubba, rodemy, vaimes
Not voting: mikey, dawn
Mikey has been lynched
He was:
Friend
Being of immense power
Mafia
It is now night 5.
He was:
Friend, fake psychic, vanilla town
It is now day 6.
With 3 alive, 2 to lynch
Vote Dawn
Um? If we lose then you are scum.
vote dawn
That being said if you are scum then gg, ya got everyone.
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I'm just glad you hammered instead of waiting for dbs.
Vezok really pulled it off d4.
Dawn (2): tubba, rodemy
Not voting: dawn
Dawn has been lynched.
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And I'm super selfish and just want to play with you again.
Idk, in my head if you guys had chat, dota would have asked publicly a question you could have been asked in chat so he can distance himself.
And that's how it works sometimes. You may have saw vaimes as so town, but i saw him as TOO town which in my head can scream scum.
You just wanna see her in scum action
But town really turned it around on D4 (personally I thought it was obvious that vezok was baiting the scumteam) and I'm just happy that our team came together.
Just goes to show that being wrong isn't awful just as long as you aren't wrong one too many times.
I haven't been mislynched (if you don't count alts) in a couple of years now so I think I was freaking out more than usual this game when it was clear I was being set up as the LyLo mislynch.
I totally called Mikey out and the clear on him being garbage, so I’m happy about that.
@sentenza, I thoroughly watching you play and I’m exceedingly impressed with you in your first game. I hope you stick around; I have Sign ups open for another normal game if you’d be interested.
@Vezok and Dota I'm sorry I groused so much about getting lynched in the spec chat... You guys actually did a good job and the fact that you were able to reset your gamestate after that is a testament to your play.
@Sentenza I can understand wanting to go run and hide after that experience but you were awesome and whenever you want to play here again I look forward to it. Your style was a breath of fresh air and thanks fot signing up!
@Mafia team you guys all had me fooled at various points. Iso your confidence and bluster screamed town!Iso to me. As did your refusing to share reads. It was a super cool play and I'm impressed it worked as well as it did for you. Mikey and DBS let's just say I'm glad people eventually ignored my loud calls to clear you... I wasn't even close till it was too late and not even then.
@Dan I wad really looking forward to seeing you in action and I hope to see you soon. And not ser you die early.
@Rod and Tubba you guys smashed the lylo's. Rod there was so much cheering for you to make it back in time in the discord. And your race against DBS was secretly thrilling. Tubba your efforts to not get lynched were insane. You managed to bleed townie in a way that I fully expext to lose to if you ever roll scum again.
@Vaimes I tried to keep up with your post count but just didn't have it in me. You are great and were an absolute pleasure to roll town with. Our chat D3 as I was getting lynched was a highlight for me.
Friends
Enemies
Spec (I need to figure out permission stuff for now I'll just give give access manually)
won't be playing for a while if that makes anyone feel better
Be grateful, always."
This doesn't. You're talented and you're good at this game. And yes you and I have had some really serious clashes over the past few games but I don't want you to just stop playing here. Just take a look at your actions and see if they're really how you want to present yourself.
(Annnd, time to do my assignment. Yay)