Question: is Rod’s insistence that I am scum with Iso part of his “playing dumb” scum strategy?
I have no idea why he’s fixated on it and can’t believe that anyone would think I’d be on a winning scumteam and actively work to destroy the efforts of the person running the show.
Not going to get through the Tubba ISO tonight. Just not in the mood for another dive right now. Instead going to do some world building.
So the possibilities to be scum are (in order of likelihood) Rod, Tubba, Iso, Mikey, Vaimes. Which gives us 10 possible permutations.
Tubba/Rod/Iso This team has the weird Iso/Tubba buddy problem. Rod and Iso are cross voting now, which is also a point against this one.
Tubba/Rod/Mikey This team feels plausible. There is some weirdness of it given Rodemy's push on Mikey to start D2 but not outside the realm of distancing. Tubba/Rod/Vaimes Vaimes is almost certainly not scum, but also Rod and Vaimes don't fit together as scum. Tubba/Iso/Mikey This one runs into the Tubba/Iso weirdness again. If Iso is trying to end game himself by pocketing the masons I think he names his best guess. Tubba/Iso/Vaimes Tubba and Iso. Plus Vaimes and Iso are absolutely never buddies. The vitrol in their back and forth earlier was too genuine. Plus Vaimes is almost disqualifying on his own at this point.
Tubba/Mikey/Vaimes This one works. Only thing against it is my town read of Vaimes. But as a trio it works.
Rod/Iso/Mikey This also works. Rodemy/Iso is weird but not disqualifying. Not on it's own. Rod/Iso/Vaimes Nope. Vaimes and Iso are never buddies.
Rod/Mikey/Vaimes This one works despite several of them saying they were insulted by it earlier. It's likely (Vaimes is in it) but it's not unreasonable. Iso/Mikey/Vaimes lol Iso and Vaimes are never buddies.
So I really only see 4 possible teams.
Tubba/Rod/Mikey
Tubba/Mikey/Vaimes
Rod/Iso/Mikey
Rod/Mikey/Vaimes
Vote: Mikey
ConvinceMe.Meme How a team without mikey in it works.
Excellent analysis except grape/Vaimes/tubba still works. I'm not lynching mikey. I'd rather lose to him than lynch him.
All we get out of this is that Iso can't be scum with anyone.
Dawn can't be scum cause of derp and we are back to lynching the poe.
Lynch Vaimes today and tubba tomorrow. There is no way both of them flip town. Patently impossible.
I'm still not buying Rodemy scum.
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So no one has thoughts on the fact that Mikey is scum on every team that works. If you throw me into the mix there are more hut still quite a few that don't work because of the Iso/Vaimes hard unalignment and the Tubba/Iso unalignment. Rod if you're town and are convinced Iso is scum the team has to be me/Iso/Mikey. And I know that team is not right.
We need to lych Mikey today. I know that's rich coming from Mr. Tubba/Rod 100% has scum in it (which I still believe) but Mikey has to be scum here.
@Vezok Iso can be scum with Mikey and with Rodemy. Talk to me about your Mikey clear. I haven't Isod him and this is mostly based on reads of other people and not him. Why is his clear iornclad?
also, I guess I feel better about dbs if asking the mod questions about the setup is something she tends to never do and faking it would be super bizarre for her
no offense vezok, I thought Rod was town for pushing you when you called dan scum
but that is an incredibly easy thing to do, it is not pure gamesolving, and Rod is definitely capable of faking it. Rod isn’t a four year old who doesn’t know how to scum
I personally don’t think it’s likely that he would randomly defend dan - the “leave dan alone” was a strong statement - but the only other slot that fits as scum is Iso and I know you don’t wanna hear that vOv
Vaimes has been on the fence about me this entire game. Push me too hard and i flip town, he is ****ed. So he backs off because the pressure isnt working. But he keeps it up. Accuse him of being scum and he omguses you with a list of self clears.
Inb4 one of his buddies uses the same reasons to prove me wrong.
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It’s not the best choice, but it’s a choice nonetheless
I know everyone’s had their differences this game, but I think one thing we can universally agree on is that I am never ever scum with Iso, unless you want to accuse me of self-sabotage for literally no reason.
This has to be Rod playing dumb or straight-up not caring/reading because I don’t think even the worst mafia player in existence could read this game and tinfoil Vaimes/Iso.
You’re pushing a world where my theory is correct - Iso is scum and pocketed the Masons - but also that I’m scum with him and ruining a gambit that would let literally the entire scumteam coast, even if two of them are in the PoE.
There is no need for wine, because again, scumteam can coast in this world.
This is an incredibly dumb world and I don’t think you’re dumb, so ??? you’re probably just scum and mad that I’m voting Mikey.
You’re pushing a world where my theory is correct - Iso is scum and pocketed the Masons - but also that I’m scum with him and ruining a gambit that would let literally the entire scumteam coast, even if two of them are in the PoE.
There is no need for wine, because again, scumteam can coast in this world.
This is an incredibly dumb world and I don’t think you’re dumb, so ??? you’re probably just scum and mad that I’m voting Mikey.
This would be relevant if you were voting Iso still...aaaarrrggghhhgh!
Plus, I believe it was MY theory and I'd appreciate a bit of the credit.
oh wait I thought you said “if you weren’t voting Iso”
disregard
it’s still completely dumb based on gameflow because he’s insisting I caused pointless drama for no benefit other than wine, and I am likely to die for it
I know everyone’s had their differences this game, but I think one thing we can universally agree on is that I am never ever scum with Iso, unless you want to accuse me of self-sabotage for literally no reason.
This has to be Rod playing dumb or straight-up not caring/reading because I don’t think even the worst mafia player in existence could read this game and tinfoil Vaimes/Iso.
Tell me, please, how it would be self sabotage?
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You’re pushing a world where my theory is correct - Iso is scum and pocketed the Masons - but also that I’m scum with him and ruining a gambit that would let literally the entire scumteam coast, even if two of them are in the PoE.
There is no need for wine, because again, scumteam can coast in this world.
This is an incredibly dumb world and I don’t think you’re dumb, so ??? you’re probably just scum and mad that I’m voting Mikey.
How are you ruining a gambit? Iso is already under suspicion. Why protect when you can bus??? With your history of self clears you'd use thag for a reason why you aren't scum? You are acting like nobody has ever bussed their teamate. In your world, everyone who thinks iso is town is actually the scum. Because none of the scumteam would "ruin the gambit"
Im not being dumb, stop suggesting I am.
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Yeah, sorry, but I'd rather die than search through my own posts. I'm not even sure it matters, it's not like I expect you to fairly evaluate anything I say.
Suffice it to say that no one else was presenting an Iso scumread after he outed vezok and DoTA (except maaaybe Killjoy) but I definitely did. Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten so much flak for suggesting it.
(If someone else thinks they scumread Iso earlier than I did, speak up, because I'm pretty sure I was first. And I would definitely remember if someone agreed with or supported me on it and I don't recall that happening. )
I've spent two hours lying in bed multi-quoting all of Rod's votes so I can analyse how/where he's been falling on the wagons and the further I got the more I started skimming posts. Grape goes from liking Rod after reading my ISO to asking Vaimes why Rod is town in the space of 5 posts. And then swings off of Rod to KJ (who he was confident was town to the extent of claiming masons with) after DBS votes KJ as a counter wagon to Tubba/Rod.
Because //////I////// am the one who brought Iso under suspicion you muffinhead!!!!!!
When?!!
I'm not sure but not before me...
I brought it up as a possibility during d2, when several people were pushing to turbo lynch the POE. Why you lying Vaimes?
I've spent two hours lying in bed multi-quoting all of Rod's votes so I can analyse how/where he's been falling on the wagons and the further I got the more I started skimming posts. Grape goes from liking Rod after reading my ISO to asking Vaimes why Rod is town in the space of 5 posts. And then swings off of Rod to KJ (who he was confident was town to the extent of claiming masons with) after DBS votes KJ as a counter wagon to Tubba/Rod.
I've spent two hours lying in bed multi-quoting all of Rod's votes so I can analyse how/where he's been falling on the wagons and the further I got the more I started skimming posts. Grape goes from liking Rod after reading my ISO to asking Vaimes why Rod is town in the space of 5 posts. And then swings off of Rod to KJ (who he was confident was town to the extent of claiming masons with) after DBS votes KJ as a counter wagon to Tubba/Rod.
Vote: Grape
rip
DoTA save me
It's 02h45 and I'm working in the morning. Maybe later
Everyone is scum reading literally everyone else and this game is unsolveable based on partnership patterns. AMA.
Like, think about it. The most likely possible teams here (Iso/Grape/Vaimes [if we want to go down THAT rabbithole], Grape/Tubba/Vaimes, Grape/Rod/Vaimes, Rod/Tubba/Vaimes) still have major problems. Tubba is literally compatible with everyone on the face of the earth because his playstyle has been imitating a wet noodle flopping around until it leaves the occassional welt on your mom's leg. I don't have a problem with rod except he's trying to use a masontell as undeniable proof that he's not scum. Grape and Vaimes look like strong partners to me at this point but I'd rather lynch Vaimes first because personal vendettas are real boi
Basically, I'm like 90% sure the team is either grapevaimes tubba or grapevaimes rod, but it's unquestionably grapevaimes flavored. And MTGS makes my entire computer lag, and also the twitch partnership makes me worried because I recently learned amazon owns twitch and I don't support amazon so like does amazon make money off of this website? Pls respond
Ughh... Dota why? I ask questions all the time to force people to defend their reasoning. Yes I flipped off Rod for KJ, but it wasn't on a whim. I had a revelation and made a giant wall about it.
Anyway no one refuted my stance that Mikey fits on every team. We need to lynch him, then one of Rod/Tubba then the other as our mislynch and finally figure out whoever is left in F3.
I don't fit on any teams you nerd, none of us do
How am I compatible with rod? Bubba I understand, but see above. How am I compatible with vaimes? You have to do a loooot of handwaving to get me on any team and if that's the case you might as well hardware elsewhere. But you probably don't have to, as long as it gets you one step closer to lylo am I right?
...unsolveable based on partnership patterns
"x is partners with y because of [post]"
the PoE is still sound, and that's probably why partnerships don't work, because the PoE has been frantically distancing with each other.
But good job making cynical one liners, really makes me rethink my read on you.
Not gonna lie, I'm mostly just saying that to make me feel better, but still.
I don't think scum!Grape dumps a big team analysis post with Mikey as the fourth most likely scum, and then ends the post with "Mikey is scum in all worlds." He changed his mind while writing it. He was thinking about the possibilities and adjusted his reads as he went. He didn't write that post with the intent of voting Mikey.
...unsolveable based on partnership patterns
"x is partners with y because of [post]"
the PoE is still sound, and that's probably why partnerships don't work, because the PoE has been frantically distancing with each other.
But good job making cynical one liners, really makes me rethink my read on you.
If you don't love me at my cynical one-liners, then you don't deserve me at my tl;dr conspiracy analyses.
I have no idea why he’s fixated on it and can’t believe that anyone would think I’d be on a winning scumteam and actively work to destroy the efforts of the person running the show.
Excellent analysis except grape/Vaimes/tubba still works. I'm not lynching mikey. I'd rather lose to him than lynch him.
All we get out of this is that Iso can't be scum with anyone.
Dawn can't be scum cause of derp and we are back to lynching the poe.
Lynch Vaimes today and tubba tomorrow. There is no way both of them flip town. Patently impossible.
I'm still not buying Rodemy scum.
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We need to lych Mikey today. I know that's rich coming from Mr. Tubba/Rod 100% has scum in it (which I still believe) but Mikey has to be scum here.
I saw the likely team combos and my vote is already on Mikey so I was like “okay cool”
I’ll read it again during/after work since it should be a calm day
If you think mikey is that clear walk me through where I'm wrong in writing teams off. Should Tubba and Iso npt be hard unaligned?
guess I’ll leave Iso alone and lynch him if Tubba is town
Mikey vote isn’t moving except to self-pres, don’t @ me
but that is an incredibly easy thing to do, it is not pure gamesolving, and Rod is definitely capable of faking it. Rod isn’t a four year old who doesn’t know how to scum
I personally don’t think it’s likely that he would randomly defend dan - the “leave dan alone” was a strong statement - but the only other slot that fits as scum is Iso and I know you don’t wanna hear that vOv
Inb4 one of his buddies uses the same reasons to prove me wrong.
Him iso or grape. I'm still gonna iso tubba tonight. My reads could change, who knows. But those are my reads and i am sticking to them.
Also more vaimes votes plzkthnx.
I say vaimes then iso then grape.
:/
guess I just completely suck this game
This has to be Rod playing dumb or straight-up not caring/reading because I don’t think even the worst mafia player in existence could read this game and tinfoil Vaimes/Iso.
You’re pushing a world where my theory is correct - Iso is scum and pocketed the Masons - but also that I’m scum with him and ruining a gambit that would let literally the entire scumteam coast, even if two of them are in the PoE.
There is no need for wine, because again, scumteam can coast in this world.
This is an incredibly dumb world and I don’t think you’re dumb, so ??? you’re probably just scum and mad that I’m voting Mikey.
This would be relevant if you were voting Iso still...aaaarrrggghhhgh!
Plus, I believe it was MY theory and I'd appreciate a bit of the credit.
I love you.
disregard
it’s still completely dumb based on gameflow because he’s insisting I caused pointless drama for no benefit other than wine, and I am likely to die for it
Tell me, please, how it would be self sabotage?
How are you ruining a gambit? Iso is already under suspicion. Why protect when you can bus??? With your history of self clears you'd use thag for a reason why you aren't scum? You are acting like nobody has ever bussed their teamate. In your world, everyone who thinks iso is town is actually the scum. Because none of the scumteam would "ruin the gambit"
Im not being dumb, stop suggesting I am.
but at least in my fantasyland the scumteam actually benefits, whereas in yours they throw the game
It's actually Vaimes/Iso/Rodemy and this is an elaborate three part gambit to make sure there is no chance of either dying after one flips.
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Vote: Rodemy
(Anyone with more experience than me with VCA, please ISO tom and talk to me about Rodemy's voting patterns)
When?!!
Suffice it to say that no one else was presenting an Iso scumread after he outed vezok and DoTA (except maaaybe Killjoy) but I definitely did. Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten so much flak for suggesting it.
(If someone else thinks they scumread Iso earlier than I did, speak up, because I'm pretty sure I was first. And I would definitely remember if someone agreed with or supported me on it and I don't recall that happening. )
I've spent two hours lying in bed multi-quoting all of Rod's votes so I can analyse how/where he's been falling on the wagons and the further I got the more I started skimming posts. Grape goes from liking Rod after reading my ISO to asking Vaimes why Rod is town in the space of 5 posts. And then swings off of Rod to KJ (who he was confident was town to the extent of claiming masons with) after DBS votes KJ as a counter wagon to Tubba/Rod.
Vote: Grape
I'm not sure but not before me...
I brought it up as a possibility during d2, when several people were pushing to turbo lynch the POE. Why you lying Vaimes?
DoTA save me
**** it. Let's leave vaimes be til later grape or iso?
Since dota is conftown, imma follow him, shamelessly
vote grape
still reading the thread though, be patient
Everyone is scum reading literally everyone else and this game is unsolveable based on partnership patterns. AMA.
Like, think about it. The most likely possible teams here (Iso/Grape/Vaimes [if we want to go down THAT rabbithole], Grape/Tubba/Vaimes, Grape/Rod/Vaimes, Rod/Tubba/Vaimes) still have major problems. Tubba is literally compatible with everyone on the face of the earth because his playstyle has been imitating a wet noodle flopping around until it leaves the occassional welt on your mom's leg. I don't have a problem with rod except he's trying to use a masontell as undeniable proof that he's not scum. Grape and Vaimes look like strong partners to me at this point but I'd rather lynch Vaimes first because personal vendettas are real boi
Basically, I'm like 90% sure the team is either grapevaimes tubba or grapevaimes rod, but it's unquestionably grapevaimes flavored. And MTGS makes my entire computer lag, and also the twitch partnership makes me worried because I recently learned amazon owns twitch and I don't support amazon so like does amazon make money off of this website? Pls respond
Anyway no one refuted my stance that Mikey fits on every team. We need to lynch him, then one of Rod/Tubba then the other as our mislynch and finally figure out whoever is left in F3.
How am I compatible with rod? Bubba I understand, but see above. How am I compatible with vaimes? You have to do a loooot of handwaving to get me on any team and if that's the case you might as well hardware elsewhere. But you probably don't have to, as long as it gets you one step closer to lylo am I right?
"x is partners with y because of [post]"
the PoE is still sound, and that's probably why partnerships don't work, because the PoE has been frantically distancing with each other.
But good job making cynical one liners, really makes me rethink my read on you.
Grape is town.
Not gonna lie, I'm mostly just saying that to make me feel better, but still.
I don't think scum!Grape dumps a big team analysis post with Mikey as the fourth most likely scum, and then ends the post with "Mikey is scum in all worlds." He changed his mind while writing it. He was thinking about the possibilities and adjusted his reads as he went. He didn't write that post with the intent of voting Mikey.
He's town.
I think.