I don't think it's too much of a burden when a player, whose self-professed playstyle revolves around constantly taking in new information, completely disregards a Masonread blowing up at me misreading another player.
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And if this was 3 years ago Iso then sure, but in the last few games I've played with him he's been heavily pressured for burden of proficiency type reads and flipped town each time.
@Vezok if you think Vaimes is scum and he's derailing a wagon shouldn't that make you want to lynch that wagon too? Or is it a priority sort of deal?
I'll just post a synopsis of Electron Cloud Theory, my approach to Mafia.
Basically, a Mafia game is a snapshot of an atom at one point in time. At the core, you have the protons and neutrons that determine the make-up of the game - the roles, the number of players, any additional rules or mechanics, etc. The players, themselves, as well as their alignments, are determined by their position in the electron cloud. Electrons can jump between energy levels in a fraction of a second. Some electrons create ionic bonds with other atoms, and some electrons are just floating about in an unknown location. Because electrons are so volatile, always jumping from one energy level to another, we can't know where they're located in the atom short of freezing a moment in time - that moment being the Mafia game.
When you figure out where one electron is, that eliminates the possibility of it being somewhere else, and it distinctly points to other electrons being in other locations. So, solving a Mafia game to me is like drawing out an electron cloud in a single moment in time on a sheet of paper. I catch on to Az and Chris as Masons, and that eliminates the world where Chris is scum with Voxxicus, or Az is Masons with Seppel. As the roles, identities, and alignments of players start to take shape, one can plot out where the rest of the electrons in the electron cloud are going to be. So if I had some mystic way of divining that 8 of the non-Iso players in this game were town, I could then plot out the rest of the electrons - the last 3 players - located where the "scum electrons" would be found. With electron cloud theory, you're constantly re-evaluating the state of the game based on new information and determining which outcome of the shape of the cloud is most likely to be with the realm of existence you are in. You eliminate scum pairings and scum team possibilities by solid town electrons, and you create possible scum clusters with solid scum electrons. In approaching the game this way, the most important people to solve are the ones that are neither leaning heavily town nor heavily scum, which is why I'll sometimes take a few Days to solve the game. That said, this game seems pretty cut-and-dry, and there aren't really any ???s except in the mal slot, but again, I liked the early approach to Voxx there, so for the most part, I've been focusing on people that have actually been participating in the game.
Obviously I currently believe the Eco/GJ/Cyan scum cluster is the most likely to exist based on the interactions in the thread thus far, hence my current worldview of the game state. It's super important to me, toDay, to have one of these three flip so that I can either re-evaluate the game if I'm wrong, or to further validate my reads if I'm not.
Oh gee, look at what Iso isn't doing.
Tossing out five names and saying "lynch them all" is distinctly NOT something town!Iso does. He looks for specific teams. He went over his history of catching mafia teams very early in the Invitational.
I don't know why everyone is looking at me like I'm making this up as I go.
I don't think it's too much of a burden when a player, whose self-professed playstyle revolves around constantly taking in new information, completely disregards a Masonread blowing up at me misreading another player.
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And if this was 3 years ago Iso then sure, but in the last few games I've played with him he's been heavily pressured for burden of proficiency type reads and flipped town each time.
@Vezok if you think Vaimes is scum and he's derailing a wagon shouldn't that make you want to lynch that wagon too? Or is it a priority sort of deal?
If he's changed his playstyle recently to the point where he's just like "here, kill" and calls it a day, then 1) wow, and 2) okay, that would have been nice to know like a month ago.
I didn't think he'd change something that was obviously working out so well for him. And it's like...I'm not arguing that he needs to catch the exact scumteam to be town. That isn't it at all. I'm saying that this new way of presenting his scumreads is completely alien to me compared to the Iso I've come to know, if this is indeed a permanent playstyle shift.
"xyz is the scumteam based on how I view the gamestate, let's go" vs "I have literally no read on these five scummy names, kill them all, I don't care about the order"
I don't think it's too much of a burden when a player, whose self-professed playstyle revolves around constantly taking in new information, completely disregards a Masonread blowing up at me misreading another player.
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And if this was 3 years ago Iso then sure, but in the last few games I've played with him he's been heavily pressured for burden of proficiency type reads and flipped town each time.
@Vezok if you think Vaimes is scum and he's derailing a wagon shouldn't that make you want to lynch that wagon too? Or is it a priority sort of deal?
Well, I wanted to kill tubba today and leave Vaimes for the rest of the town tomorrow, but he derailed the tubba wagon with his horrible Iso vote and I'm just spent. If he is somehow town, he needs to re-evaluate his play here.
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maybe I should specifically lay out my issues with Iso, assuming that his playstyle didn't change as much as Grape is telling me it did
1. He isn't solving. He's just lynching non-Masons and non-derpclears indiscriminately.
2. His "keep mah reads hush hush" thing is no longer relevant since the Masons outed D2. He's only just now pushing a specific team because all of the other lynches flipped town. Had he done this from the get-go, I probably would have townread him for it.
3. He's locked onto his D2 PoE despite his failure to catch any mafia (this is me assuming I get lynched, which will be mislynch #3 for him). This doesn't look like someone re-evaluating based on gamestate. I also think he would have re-evaluated his Masonteam guess had he been paying attention to D2.
4. I maintain that it's smarter to pocket Masons if you can get away with it instead of just killing them. It's literally the only thing Iso has going for him, and finding vezok D1 doesn't at all guarantee he's town.
5. When I look at him behaviorally, and through the lens of having townreads elsewhere, I don't see him being town. I cannot put together a reasonable scumteam that doesn't include Iso. Unless Grape is actually the mastermind, but at this point I'm willing to say gg and move on from that world.
I'm so sorry if me wanting to try and lay out why I think we're being played by a smart scum gambit is so exhausting for you to read. I have to live with this nonsense swirling around in my head, so you get no sympathy from me.
Grape, we're not in the 1600s yet, was my point. You mean 1465.
Ohhh derp....
And on Iso it's not so much that he changed his playstyle I just remember him publicly talking about how the electron cloud method is really time consuming and with his current job he's not able to play the way he used to be able to. Or really even wants to put that level of effort in anymore. I was looking in JPA2 because that's where I thought he said it but I couldn't find it there. I'll keep looking at some point but I'm limiting myself to 2 ISO's to find this quote.
Anyway I get you're point about Iso, but peak electron cloud solving Iso had a much better scum game than pretend to do it D1 and then read nothing and update none of my reads as I go. Disinheritance is a good example of giving 100% scum!Iso and it's not what we're seeing here. His circumstances changed sometime between the hearthstone invitation game and now and it's been consistent his past few games which have all been town. I agree peak Electron Cloud Iso never does the here's the PoE now I'm out, but working night shifts and unable to post on the weekends Iso sure would.
Now all of that soft defense is to still have me think he's scum, but just because it's the only way the PoE makes any sense at all to me. Rod/Mikey/Iso is a team that works apart from the understanding masons reasons to clear Mikey.
like I am completely willing to change my read on Iso if people talk about why they think I'm wrong
most of what I'm getting is "you're insane" or "shut the **** up" or "Iso is town because he didn't shoot a Mason!!"
which isn't helpful and doesn't at all change my mind
no one but Grape is at all acknowledging that if you can pocket a Mason you're basically set to coast????????
I'm not trying to be a stubborn ********, I literally need to talk this out with someone and all I get is crickets and people going la la la ur scum or bad
Grape, we're not in the 1600s yet, was my point. You mean 1465.
Ohhh derp....
And on Iso it's not so much that he changed his playstyle I just remember him publicly talking about how the electron cloud method is really time consuming and with his current job he's not able to play the way he used to be able to. Or really even wants to put that level of effort in anymore. I was looking in JPA2 because that's where I thought he said it but I couldn't find it there. I'll keep looking at some point but I'm limiting myself to 2 ISO's to find this quote.
Anyway I get you're point about Iso, but peak electron cloud solving Iso had a much better scum game than pretend to do it D1 and then read nothing and update none of my reads as I go. Disinheritance is a good example of giving 100% scum!Iso and it's not what we're seeing here. His circumstances changed sometime between the hearthstone invitation game and now and it's been consistent his past few games which have all been town. I agree peak Electron Cloud Iso never does the here's the PoE now I'm out, but working night shifts and unable to post on the weekends Iso sure would.
Now all of that soft defense is to still have me think he's scum, but just because it's the only way the PoE makes any sense at all to me. Rod/Mikey/Iso is a team that works apart from the understanding masons reasons to clear Mikey.
I don't think it's too much of a burden when a player, whose self-professed playstyle revolves around constantly taking in new information, completely disregards a Masonread blowing up at me misreading another player.
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And if this was 3 years ago Iso then sure, but in the last few games I've played with him he's been heavily pressured for burden of proficiency type reads and flipped town each time.
@Vezok if you think Vaimes is scum and he's derailing a wagon shouldn't that make you want to lynch that wagon too? Or is it a priority sort of deal?
Well, I wanted to kill tubba today and leave Vaimes for the rest of the town tomorrow, but he derailed the tubba wagon with his horrible Iso vote and I'm just spent. If he is somehow town, he needs to re-evaluate his play here.
I agree that Iso shouldn't be lynched today, but pushing him toDay isn't derailing a lynch. Vaimes doesn't have any sort of sway right now. It's chasing a lead. I prefer killing Rod because I think Iso is scum and Tubba doesn't make sense as an Iso buddy but Rodemy does.
Why do you prefer Tubba over Rod? I get your preference for Vaimes over both, but on those 2 why Tubba?
I dunno if Rod and Iso crossvote here as buddies though.
eh? eh
I really dislike Mikey's "you voted me, any potential future townread revoked" and "you're flipping scum!!!" and other various potshots, so
yolo
(Also the assertion that it's possible for me to be scum with Iso............just because I stoped talking about him for 5 minutes..........? honestly)
This isn't the post I was talking about but it refers to it and is from a town!Iso game. There are still strong reasons to scum read Iso here. But him not being Invitational Iso isn't one of them.
Anyway now that Vaimes is going I might actually take a look at Rod and Tubba like I meant to and not just go back and forth reminding myself of the historians Salvor Hardin was dissing in Foundation.
And on Iso it's not so much that he changed his playstyle I just remember him publicly talking about how the electron cloud method is really time consuming and with his current job he's not able to play the way he used to be able to. Or really even wants to put that level of effort in anymore. I was looking in JPA2 because that's where I thought he said it but I couldn't find it there. I'll keep looking at some point but I'm limiting myself to 2 ISO's to find this quote.
Anyway I get you're point about Iso, but peak electron cloud solving Iso had a much better scum game than pretend to do it D1 and then read nothing and update none of my reads as I go. Disinheritance is a good example of giving 100% scum!Iso and it's not what we're seeing here. His circumstances changed sometime between the hearthstone invitation game and now and it's been consistent his past few games which have all been town. I agree peak Electron Cloud Iso never does the here's the PoE now I'm out, but working night shifts and unable to post on the weekends Iso sure would.
This is what I've been saying for...how many games, now? Thank you.
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So the first thing to notice is his catch of Dota/Sentenza. He notices something and talks about it a lot. But there is nothing to me that indicates that early on he really believed it made them buddies. In fact I'd argue there is evidence to the opposite. Not quoting because they are huge quotes but check out 24 and especially 94.
108 is the first of many reasons for Rod and Vaimes to be unaligned. Also Rod's early game just viscerally reads like scum to me.
I also would want to lynch KJ if he wasn't my mason buddy because he's really scumming it up out here. Instead I'll just keep pressuring him without strong follow up to distance us
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I think he's doing exactly what kj said, getting bad masons to claim.
That's not very townie.
So here is Rod's I'm not a mason moment. And it's clearly the easiest to fake of all of the confused reactions to mason cover. In fact I'd straight up just say it's scummy. He's hopping on some else's claim and not thinking it through. Feels like a attempting to be town line of thought rather than a town line of thought. And his follow up is really similar in that regard. Rodemy is a fan of wild speculation, but he can't come up with a reason for me to claim mason's other than trying to bait bad masons into claiming? Nah. Don't buy it.
185 and his reaction to being reminded of Emperor games is a weird one. It reads really naturally. And I can buy him being confused by the connection. But on the other hand he's already mentioned his paranoia and like given his paranoia claims and a push towards remembering that I'd think town Rod would come up with some theories about why I might claim when I did. But he just drops it after this for the most part.
During his convo with Vaimes is the first evidence that Rod thought it was distancing all along. I think this contradicts the evidence in thread but here is where we have proof he started thinking it.
His case on KJ is actually pretty solid. Can definitely see this coming from town!Rod. And it doesn't feel super opportunistic.
His push on Vaimes here does feel like town!Rod paranoia. That wanting to lynch something for being wrong not thinking through why scum would intentionally get it wrong is something townies do all the time. Scum does it too, but I can easily see this coming from town Rod. Mostly I'm just quoting it because my post he's quoting is great and you should all town read me for it.
And this post is long enough. I'll finish the ISO in the next one.
Since the Mason's are outed, I demand a flavour claim!
(Why the hell not...)
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@tom I am all about your taste. This game's flavor is incredibly my jazz. Well not so much the music (I'm a boring 2000's indie rock kind of guy) but the characters.
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Idk. I get gut feelings. Weird vibes. Nobody follows them, but i tend to find scum that way. I still feel like Vaimes is pretending to read the game.
if THAT was his whole reasoning, he could have been fishing for masons or even implying you two are scum together.. there are plenty of reasons for him to ask that question as scum... but he forgot sentz was new and i think that is a slip.
Emphasis is mine. And I kind of think it makes him look townie. Doubling down on a read by saying a townie forgetting is a slip is just??? Like why would scum!Vaimes not know Sent is new? It makes no sense.
But then you have this hey fellow townies moment... Emphasis mine again.
@sentz I don't like lynching lurkers d1. Scum usually go after them early game so town can't get good poe. So why would we lynch them? they would get themselves nightkilled by not posting d1. Most low posting lynches would get us very little interactions, thus making d2 a lot harder to solve.
If there is a counterpoint, please let me know. But that is my thought on lynching lurkers d1.
Just ew.
586 is a giant wall breaking down the Ruma/Vaimes spam off. And I think this is a huge part of the Vaimes town read on Rod. I might be incorrectly remembering this, but I believe it's the case. And if it that's a weak town read. Because this post just doesn't say much. It basically boils down to "Vaimes was sort of reasonable and Ruma was acting petty." Which given Ruma flipped town isn't exactly a read scum would never make. In fact it's the sort of case scum wanting to hop onto the hot wagon would make.
Plus Sentenza was all over it immeadiately, which I'm a fan of. Sent is a good villager. Let's listen to her from the grave.
Rodemy voting Mikey for claiming not masons after the lynch was locked sort of reads like forced unalignment. Which makes sense if they both thought they were going to be in trouble for the way they pushed Ruma. 752 He really runs with it though and Mikey was pretty safely not in the PoE at that point. Would be a strange bus to start.
And I'm out of steam. His D2 and 3 actually reads pretty well. There is a lot of paranoia directed at Iso and Mikey and yeah he doesn't work as well for them as a buddy as I thought... His D1 is pretty scummy and I still want to push him but the teams don't really work as far as I can figure out...
Anyway point is even if Iso is scum, which given Vaimes almost certainly being town now is very likely the case, he's still not as good of a lynch because there is 100% to be at least one scum between Rod and Tubba and solving that before lylo is incredibly important.
really? I'd lynch Tubba first if that's the case. what makes you so sure Rod/Tubba are a dichotomy though?
@Iso, @dawn, @dota : Please reread Vaimes and tell me what you see town about him?
This isn't town paranoia. It's scum trying to push on a lynch outside the poe because they are losing any other way.
There is just no chance that Iso is scum here. If betting wasn't illegal, I'd bet something on it.
I have a townlean on Vaimes for how he went along with the townblocking. scum wouldn't want to townclear so easily. another thing is that he was pushing Rumanshi (scum would've stayed away since he practically drove his own lynch). hmmm that means Iso is possibly town too.
Surely you can figure out why it benefits him to shoot an unknown. He can't very well announce that he knows Vezok is a mason and have Vezok shot in the night. Instead pocket Vezok, pick up pails full of towniness, and fire into the crowd and see what happens. How would you have proceeded as scum!Iso at that point, with one confirmed mason? Why would you kill them when you can track their interactions and try and unearth the other masons? (Which is exactly what happened btw)
how does that benefit scum? makes more sense to shoot masons whenever you find them, especially in this kind of setup.
anddd I think the scumteam is just in Tubba/Rod and one of someone else. Grape/Vaimes?
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I'm guessing that's Elaine and an autocorrect? If so continuing to dig the flavor.
As for the game the Tubba/Rod thing isn't a dichotomy. It's more that the PoE doesn't allow for both of them to be town. Dota and Vezo are town. You're town.
That only leaves Mikey, Vaimes, Iso, Dota, and Tubba. And Mikey, Vaimes, Iso is definitely not the team.
my claim is Eclaire Benes a friend.
(on the side: I really dig those Vaimes posts lol)
I'm guessing that's Elaine and an autocorrect? If so continuing to dig the flavor.
yeah. autocorrect in my head lol
also I think this needs clarifying... while I don't see myself puking derpclears in a game, I can see myself being forgetful or just plain assuming something without asking the scumteam .-. (if I had such a skill, I actually would utilize it as town more often to get them off my scummy ass)
Vote: Tubba_Fett
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As for the game the Tubba/Rod thing isn't a dichotomy. It's more that the PoE doesn't allow for both of them to be town. Dota and Vezo are town. You're town.
That only leaves Mikey, Vaimes, Iso, Dota, and Tubba. And Mikey, Vaimes, Iso is definitely not the team.
1. I see. so you mean there's 1-2 scum in there? thought you mean the flip would clear the other.
2. I'm still curious about you and Emcee about the mason cover talk. Vaimes also pushed that idea as a 'correct way to play', so that's another thing.. there should be scum in Grape/Emcee/Vaimes. don't think all 3 are town.
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As for the game the Tubba/Rod thing isn't a dichotomy. It's more that the PoE doesn't allow for both of them to be town. Dota and Vezo are town. You're town.
That only leaves Mikey, Vaimes, Iso, Dota, and Tubba. And Mikey, Vaimes, Iso is definitely not the team.
1. I see. so you mean there's 1-2 scum in there? thought you mean the flip would clear the other.
2. I'm still curious about you and Emcee about the mason cover talk. Vaimes also pushed that idea as a 'correct way to play', so that's another thing.. there should be scum in Grape/Emcee/Vaimes. don't think all 3 are town.
Correct there is always at least 1 scum in those 2 and possibly 2.
What about the mason cover talk is interesting to you still? I agree it's the correct way to play. It's why I did it from D1. What about that group of 3 makes you think we can't all be town? Other than it being almost impossible for a group of 3 not containing yourself to not have scum.
As for the game the Tubba/Rod thing isn't a dichotomy. It's more that the PoE doesn't allow for both of them to be town. Dota and Vezo are town. You're town.
That only leaves Mikey, Vaimes, Iso, Dota, and Tubba. And Mikey, Vaimes, Iso is definitely not the team.
1. I see. so you mean there's 1-2 scum in there? thought you mean the flip would clear the other.
2. I'm still curious about you and Emcee about the mason cover talk. Vaimes also pushed that idea as a 'correct way to play', so that's another thing.. there should be scum in Grape/Emcee/Vaimes. don't think all 3 are town.
Correct there is always at least 1 scum in those 2 and possibly 2.
What about the mason cover talk is interesting to you still? I agree it's the correct way to play. It's why I did it from D1. What about that group of 3 makes you think we can't all be town? Other than it being almost impossible for a group of 3 not containing yourself to not have scum.
1. ok.
2. the way it continued on for so long without much objection means scum are probably in the mix. even if it's a good plan as you say, scum would still join in. and I don't see how it's impossible too, Grape/Iso could still be scum.
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*and, I was talking about the mason cover in terms of how good/bad/whatever it could be, not whether it is bad or good (since idk which). such a strategy wouldn't continue uninterrupted if all were town, if scum knows how to think. lack of interference, and the /encouragement/ of a seemingly /good/ plan, means scum must be onboard.
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2. the way it continued on for so long without much objection means scum are probably in the mix. even if it's a good plan as you say, scum would still join in. and I don't see how it's impossible too, Grape/Iso could still be scum.
Why would there be an objection, I'm still surprised at how much objection/confusion there was. It was pure theory talk and clearly the correct play. Like I could absolutely see scum joining in and that is something to think about, but I'm not sure if it is a reason to sort the game relative to the other reasons we have.
And my point about groups of 3 was from your PoV there are 6 players you don't know the alignment of. So any group of 3 probably has scum in it. For the group of 3 you listed to not have scum the team has to be exactly Rod/Tubba/Iso and I don't think Tubba is ever scum with Iso.
Also what is the weird theory you're voting Tubba for? I got lost
*and, I was talking about the mason cover in terms of how good/bad/whatever it could be, not whether it is bad or good (since idk which). such a strategy wouldn't continue uninterrupted if all were town, if scum knows how to think. lack of interference, and the /encouragement/ of a seemingly /good/ plan, means scum must be onboard.
Normally I would agree with this but there was widespread confusion/pushback to the plan. You, Rod, Mikey, and kind of Tubba all gave some amount of pushback against it.
Like you're right that scum love to hop in and do blandly townie theory things to blend in, but given it's a group of three I'm more making a value judgement on it. Also where did Vaimes mason cover? I don't remember him doing it now that I"m thinking about it.
Let me tell you why Rodemy is town and why Vaimes/Tubba are both scum.
The first thing I did day 1 was to pressure dan, because he wasn't posting. Rodemy was opposing me on all fronts. Why would scum Rodemy put so much effort into grilling me for trying to lynch a lurker town when he had so many other things to do? That's pure gamesolving which I don't see Rodemy being able to fake as scum.
Vaimes voted iso out of nowhere and a few posts later tubba follows up on him. Tubba is following his teammate on the wagon to make it a legitimate push and not just random noise.
The scum team is most probably Vaimes/Tubba/grape although I'm not as convinced on grape, but his efforts to lynch Rodemy rub me the wrong way. There is no world where Tubba isn't scum. It's just not feasible at this point.
I'm thinking that grape wants to lynch in the poe, because they have a better chance for pushing an Iso lynch in LyLo than right now.
Tubba even slipped as scum and grape + Vaimes totally ignored it.
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I think dawn is even townier for trying to dismiss her derpclear.
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vezok, I'm really happy for you, and I'mma letchoo finish, but let's lynch Tubba on Day 4. I have a good feeling about the Rodemy lynch - namely that so many people are trying to stop his lynch.
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Wait am I trying to lynch Rodemy or am I trying to stop it? I'm confused. Like my wall is waffly and pushing me for that would be a thing. But saying I'm scum for going out of my to get Rodemy lynched is???
And Rod would grill you (Vezok) for that because he thought he could get you mislynched for it. You were under pressure when he did that and you randomly deciding to question someone "not playing the game" seems like an easy way to join a push. What do you make of Rod's 586?
Your wall feels like you don't really see a world where Rodemy is scum with other people, which strikes me as the opposite of trying to get him lynched.
My comment was mostly a shot at Vaimes, and...Tubba? I can't remember if Tubba wanted Rodemy lynched or not.
Regardless, point stands. At least 2, maybe 3 people are trying to see Rodemy not get lynched, which is a concerning number given the present circumstances.
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Your wall feels like you don't really see a world where Rodemy is scum with other people, which strikes me as the opposite of trying to get him lynched.
My comment was mostly a shot at Vaimes, and...Tubba? I can't remember if Tubba wanted Rodemy lynched or not.
Regardless, point stands. At least 2, maybe 3 people are trying to see Rodemy not get lynched, which is a concerning number given the present circumstances.
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I believe vezok is referring to #1378.
Yeah my wall is waffly. I can't see a team that works, but I think he's really scummy. I more made that post just because you too basically had the opposite reactions to my recent posts. Which struck me as hilarious. Vezok disliking how hard I'm trying to get Vezok lynched and you the opposite.
And gotcha, I'd forgotten about that. I wrote it off that because those sort of language tells never actually work out for me. I'm not opposed to a Tubba lynch just prefer a Rod one at this point but am not ready to decide till I read Tubba and build some more teams.
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lol
Trying to get people to talk to and interact with each other. Both you and Vezok walked away from my posts wanting to lynch me, but for roughly opposite reasons. Aside from being a nice bit of absurd comedy it would be nice for people to discuss those differences in reads and debate why they think what they think.
Tubba even slipped as scum and grape + Vaimes totally ignored it.
Also I know DBS's check in isn't inspring confidence that she read everything but neither did her, Mikey, or Iso looking at the game. So pretty much the entire PoE ignored it. I get that you're scum reading the three of us but our ignoring it with everyone else ignoring it doesn't strike me as a tell in particular.
like I am completely willing to change my read on Iso if people talk about why they think I'm wrong
most of what I'm getting is "you're insane" or "shut the **** up" or "Iso is town because he didn't shoot a Mason!!"
which isn't helpful and doesn't at all change my mind
no one but Grape is at all acknowledging that if you can pocket a Mason you're basically set to coast????????
I'm not trying to be a stubborn ********, I literally need to talk this out with someone and all I get is crickets and people going la la la ur scum or bad
Come on man, I'm still in the room.
You're officially off my scum list. If I lose to this, I'm ok with it because I'm pretty much mind melding with it.
Not going to get through the Tubba ISO tonight. Just not in the mood for another dive right now. Instead going to do some world building.
So the possibilities to be scum are (in order of likelihood) Rod, Tubba, Iso, Mikey, Vaimes. Which gives us 10 possible permutations.
Tubba/Rod/Iso This team has the weird Iso/Tubba buddy problem. Rod and Iso are cross voting now, which is also a point against this one.
Tubba/Rod/Mikey This team feels plausible. There is some weirdness of it given Rodemy's push on Mikey to start D2 but not outside the realm of distancing. Tubba/Rod/Vaimes Vaimes is almost certainly not scum, but also Rod and Vaimes don't fit together as scum. Tubba/Iso/Mikey This one runs into the Tubba/Iso weirdness again. If Iso is trying to end game himself by pocketing the masons I think he names his best guess. Tubba/Iso/Vaimes Tubba and Iso. Plus Vaimes and Iso are absolutely never buddies. The vitrol in their back and forth earlier was too genuine. Plus Vaimes is almost disqualifying on his own at this point.
Tubba/Mikey/Vaimes This one works. Only thing against it is my town read of Vaimes. But as a trio it works.
Rod/Iso/Mikey This also works. Rodemy/Iso is weird but not disqualifying. Not on it's own. Rod/Iso/Vaimes Nope. Vaimes and Iso are never buddies.
Rod/Mikey/Vaimes This one works despite several of them saying they were insulted by it earlier. It's likely (Vaimes is in it) but it's not unreasonable. Iso/Mikey/Vaimes lol Iso and Vaimes are never buddies.
So I really only see 4 possible teams.
Tubba/Rod/Mikey
Tubba/Mikey/Vaimes
Rod/Iso/Mikey
Rod/Mikey/Vaimes
Vote: Mikey
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Anyway point is even if Iso is scum, which given Vaimes almost certainly being town now is very likely the case, he's still not as good of a lynch because there is 100% to be at least one scum between Rod and Tubba and solving that before lylo is incredibly important.
really? I'd lynch Tubba first if that's the case. what makes you so sure Rod/Tubba are a dichotomy though?
@Iso, @dawn, @dota : Please reread Vaimes and tell me what you see town about him?
This isn't town paranoia. It's scum trying to push on a lynch outside the poe because they are losing any other way.
There is just no chance that Iso is scum here. If betting wasn't illegal, I'd bet something on it.
I have a townlean on Vaimes for how he went along with the townblocking. scum wouldn't want to townclear so easily. another thing is that he was pushing Rumanshi (scum would've stayed away since he practically drove his own lynch). hmmm that means Iso is possibly town too.
Surely you can figure out why it benefits him to shoot an unknown. He can't very well announce that he knows Vezok is a mason and have Vezok shot in the night. Instead pocket Vezok, pick up pails full of towniness, and fire into the crowd and see what happens. How would you have proceeded as scum!Iso at that point, with one confirmed mason? Why would you kill them when you can track their interactions and try and unearth the other masons? (Which is exactly what happened btw)
how does that benefit scum? makes more sense to shoot masons whenever you find them, especially in this kind of setup.
anddd I think the scumteam is just in Tubba/Rod and one of someone else. Grape/Vaimes?
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(on the side: I really dig those Vaimes posts lol)
This just feels like a really gross post. Several people other than myself have noted the benefits to pocketing the masons, and it ignores the theory that dan's kill was a random shot to find a mason. Either dawn's not reading the game or she has an agenda.
There is not much evidence that she is reading the game closely. Her main observations are still about mason cover and she waffles back and forth between Vaimes being scum like 4 times in that post. And I just refuse to believe anyone would sink to intentionally pretending to misunderstand the mechanics like that which she would have to for her mason confusion earlier.
lol
Trying to get people to talk to and interact with each other. Both you and Vezok walked away from my posts wanting to lynch me, but for roughly opposite reasons. Aside from being a nice bit of absurd comedy it would be nice for people to discuss those differences in reads and debate why they think what they think.
Well no, I walked away from your post wanting to lynch Rodemy.
So you're absolutely against tinfoiling a world where dawn is scum?
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Iso goes from thinking i am townie to thinking i am scum because it's convenient.
He refuses to listen to people. You think its s good idea for any scumbuddy to protect me right now? If i were scum, I'd his the ever living ***** outta me right now due to my *****ty play this game. I feel like it's the scumteam trying to lynch me and they are upset nobody else wants to. I'm probably the last flip thst wont clear anyone seeing as i pretty much have nothing but that vaimes convo. Lynch me, i flip town. Somehow that will turn into "Rodemy had no idea what he was talking about, let's lynch tubba. And then scum win. I'm sorry I have yet to iso tubba but at this point i don't care.
Iso and grape are scum and vaimes is the fence sitting 3rd.
Vaimes you have every right to go agai st your or team right now, it shows a disconnect and secures you as town until one of them gets lynched. Your entire play this game is "I am town because of this"you townclesr yourself more than anyonr else.
Grape is pushing a d1 read on me and that's stupid.
Iso does not suck enough at this game to push 2 mislynches. And now 3 because he is pushing me. He outted 2 masons and the 3rd came out. Like, of course he did. He pocketed the ****in masons. Genius play.
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And if this was 3 years ago Iso then sure, but in the last few games I've played with him he's been heavily pressured for burden of proficiency type reads and flipped town each time.
@Vezok if you think Vaimes is scum and he's derailing a wagon shouldn't that make you want to lynch that wagon too? Or is it a priority sort of deal?
Tossing out five names and saying "lynch them all" is distinctly NOT something town!Iso does. He looks for specific teams. He went over his history of catching mafia teams very early in the Invitational.
I don't know why everyone is looking at me like I'm making this up as I go.
I didn't think he'd change something that was obviously working out so well for him. And it's like...I'm not arguing that he needs to catch the exact scumteam to be town. That isn't it at all. I'm saying that this new way of presenting his scumreads is completely alien to me compared to the Iso I've come to know, if this is indeed a permanent playstyle shift.
"xyz is the scumteam based on how I view the gamestate, let's go" vs "I have literally no read on these five scummy names, kill them all, I don't care about the order"
Well, I wanted to kill tubba today and leave Vaimes for the rest of the town tomorrow, but he derailed the tubba wagon with his horrible Iso vote and I'm just spent. If he is somehow town, he needs to re-evaluate his play here.
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maybe I should specifically lay out my issues with Iso, assuming that his playstyle didn't change as much as Grape is telling me it did
1. He isn't solving. He's just lynching non-Masons and non-derpclears indiscriminately.
2. His "keep mah reads hush hush" thing is no longer relevant since the Masons outed D2. He's only just now pushing a specific team because all of the other lynches flipped town. Had he done this from the get-go, I probably would have townread him for it.
3. He's locked onto his D2 PoE despite his failure to catch any mafia (this is me assuming I get lynched, which will be mislynch #3 for him). This doesn't look like someone re-evaluating based on gamestate. I also think he would have re-evaluated his Masonteam guess had he been paying attention to D2.
4. I maintain that it's smarter to pocket Masons if you can get away with it instead of just killing them. It's literally the only thing Iso has going for him, and finding vezok D1 doesn't at all guarantee he's town.
5. When I look at him behaviorally, and through the lens of having townreads elsewhere, I don't see him being town. I cannot put together a reasonable scumteam that doesn't include Iso. Unless Grape is actually the mastermind, but at this point I'm willing to say gg and move on from that world.
I'm so sorry if me wanting to try and lay out why I think we're being played by a smart scum gambit is so exhausting for you to read. I have to live with this nonsense swirling around in my head, so you get no sympathy from me.
Ohhh derp....
And on Iso it's not so much that he changed his playstyle I just remember him publicly talking about how the electron cloud method is really time consuming and with his current job he's not able to play the way he used to be able to. Or really even wants to put that level of effort in anymore. I was looking in JPA2 because that's where I thought he said it but I couldn't find it there. I'll keep looking at some point but I'm limiting myself to 2 ISO's to find this quote.
Anyway I get you're point about Iso, but peak electron cloud solving Iso had a much better scum game than pretend to do it D1 and then read nothing and update none of my reads as I go. Disinheritance is a good example of giving 100% scum!Iso and it's not what we're seeing here. His circumstances changed sometime between the hearthstone invitation game and now and it's been consistent his past few games which have all been town. I agree peak Electron Cloud Iso never does the here's the PoE now I'm out, but working night shifts and unable to post on the weekends Iso sure would.
Now all of that soft defense is to still have me think he's scum, but just because it's the only way the PoE makes any sense at all to me. Rod/Mikey/Iso is a team that works apart from the understanding masons reasons to clear Mikey.
most of what I'm getting is "you're insane" or "shut the **** up" or "Iso is town because he didn't shoot a Mason!!"
which isn't helpful and doesn't at all change my mind
no one but Grape is at all acknowledging that if you can pocket a Mason you're basically set to coast????????
I'm not trying to be a stubborn ********, I literally need to talk this out with someone and all I get is crickets and people going la la la ur scum or bad
thank you
I will shut up about Iso now
I agree that Iso shouldn't be lynched today, but pushing him toDay isn't derailing a lynch. Vaimes doesn't have any sort of sway right now. It's chasing a lead. I prefer killing Rod because I think Iso is scum and Tubba doesn't make sense as an Iso buddy but Rodemy does.
Why do you prefer Tubba over Rod? I get your preference for Vaimes over both, but on those 2 why Tubba?
eh? eh
I really dislike Mikey's "you voted me, any potential future townread revoked" and "you're flipping scum!!!" and other various potshots, so
yolo
(Also the assertion that it's possible for me to be scum with Iso............just because I stoped talking about him for 5 minutes..........? honestly)
Time for alcohol and staring at my ceiling.
Bye.
Bah... Why do none of these teams work.
How hard it is to build a functioning team is another reason one of Rod or Tubba is always the lynch toDay. Now to actually go read. Finally.
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So the first thing to notice is his catch of Dota/Sentenza. He notices something and talks about it a lot. But there is nothing to me that indicates that early on he really believed it made them buddies. In fact I'd argue there is evidence to the opposite. Not quoting because they are huge quotes but check out 24 and especially 94.
108 is the first of many reasons for Rod and Vaimes to be unaligned. Also Rod's early game just viscerally reads like scum to me.
So here is Rod's I'm not a mason moment. And it's clearly the easiest to fake of all of the confused reactions to mason cover. In fact I'd straight up just say it's scummy. He's hopping on some else's claim and not thinking it through. Feels like a attempting to be town line of thought rather than a town line of thought. And his follow up is really similar in that regard. Rodemy is a fan of wild speculation, but he can't come up with a reason for me to claim mason's other than trying to bait bad masons into claiming? Nah. Don't buy it.
185 and his reaction to being reminded of Emperor games is a weird one. It reads really naturally. And I can buy him being confused by the connection. But on the other hand he's already mentioned his paranoia and like given his paranoia claims and a push towards remembering that I'd think town Rod would come up with some theories about why I might claim when I did. But he just drops it after this for the most part.
During his convo with Vaimes is the first evidence that Rod thought it was distancing all along. I think this contradicts the evidence in thread but here is where we have proof he started thinking it.
His case on KJ is actually pretty solid. Can definitely see this coming from town!Rod. And it doesn't feel super opportunistic.
His push on Vaimes here does feel like town!Rod paranoia. That wanting to lynch something for being wrong not thinking through why scum would intentionally get it wrong is something townies do all the time. Scum does it too, but I can easily see this coming from town Rod. Mostly I'm just quoting it because my post he's quoting is great and you should all town read me for it.
And this post is long enough. I'll finish the ISO in the next one.
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Emphasis is mine. And I kind of think it makes him look townie. Doubling down on a read by saying a townie forgetting is a slip is just??? Like why would scum!Vaimes not know Sent is new? It makes no sense.
But then you have this hey fellow townies moment... Emphasis mine again.
Just ew.
586 is a giant wall breaking down the Ruma/Vaimes spam off. And I think this is a huge part of the Vaimes town read on Rod. I might be incorrectly remembering this, but I believe it's the case. And if it that's a weak town read. Because this post just doesn't say much. It basically boils down to "Vaimes was sort of reasonable and Ruma was acting petty." Which given Ruma flipped town isn't exactly a read scum would never make. In fact it's the sort of case scum wanting to hop onto the hot wagon would make.
Plus Sentenza was all over it immeadiately, which I'm a fan of. Sent is a good villager. Let's listen to her from the grave.
Rodemy voting Mikey for claiming not masons after the lynch was locked sort of reads like forced unalignment. Which makes sense if they both thought they were going to be in trouble for the way they pushed Ruma. 752 He really runs with it though and Mikey was pretty safely not in the PoE at that point. Would be a strange bus to start.
And I'm out of steam. His D2 and 3 actually reads pretty well. There is a lot of paranoia directed at Iso and Mikey and yeah he doesn't work as well for them as a buddy as I thought... His D1 is pretty scummy and I still want to push him but the teams don't really work as far as I can figure out...
I have a townlean on Vaimes for how he went along with the townblocking. scum wouldn't want to townclear so easily. another thing is that he was pushing Rumanshi (scum would've stayed away since he practically drove his own lynch). hmmm that means Iso is possibly town too.
how does that benefit scum? makes more sense to shoot masons whenever you find them, especially in this kind of setup.
anddd I think the scumteam is just in Tubba/Rod and one of someone else. Grape/Vaimes?
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(on the side: I really dig those Vaimes posts lol)
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I'm guessing that's Elaine and an autocorrect? If so continuing to dig the flavor.
As for the game the Tubba/Rod thing isn't a dichotomy. It's more that the PoE doesn't allow for both of them to be town. Dota and Vezo are town. You're town.
That only leaves Mikey, Vaimes, Iso, Dota, and Tubba. And Mikey, Vaimes, Iso is definitely not the team.
also I think this needs clarifying... while I don't see myself puking derpclears in a game, I can see myself being forgetful or just plain assuming something without asking the scumteam .-. (if I had such a skill, I actually would utilize it as town more often to get them off my scummy ass)
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for that weird theory
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2. I'm still curious about you and Emcee about the mason cover talk. Vaimes also pushed that idea as a 'correct way to play', so that's another thing.. there should be scum in Grape/Emcee/Vaimes. don't think all 3 are town.
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Correct there is always at least 1 scum in those 2 and possibly 2.
What about the mason cover talk is interesting to you still? I agree it's the correct way to play. It's why I did it from D1. What about that group of 3 makes you think we can't all be town? Other than it being almost impossible for a group of 3 not containing yourself to not have scum.
2. the way it continued on for so long without much objection means scum are probably in the mix. even if it's a good plan as you say, scum would still join in. and I don't see how it's impossible too, Grape/Iso could still be scum.
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Why would there be an objection, I'm still surprised at how much objection/confusion there was. It was pure theory talk and clearly the correct play. Like I could absolutely see scum joining in and that is something to think about, but I'm not sure if it is a reason to sort the game relative to the other reasons we have.
And my point about groups of 3 was from your PoV there are 6 players you don't know the alignment of. So any group of 3 probably has scum in it. For the group of 3 you listed to not have scum the team has to be exactly Rod/Tubba/Iso and I don't think Tubba is ever scum with Iso.
Also what is the weird theory you're voting Tubba for? I got lost
Normally I would agree with this but there was widespread confusion/pushback to the plan. You, Rod, Mikey, and kind of Tubba all gave some amount of pushback against it.
Like you're right that scum love to hop in and do blandly townie theory things to blend in, but given it's a group of three I'm more making a value judgement on it. Also where did Vaimes mason cover? I don't remember him doing it now that I"m thinking about it.
The first thing I did day 1 was to pressure dan, because he wasn't posting. Rodemy was opposing me on all fronts. Why would scum Rodemy put so much effort into grilling me for trying to lynch a lurker town when he had so many other things to do? That's pure gamesolving which I don't see Rodemy being able to fake as scum.
Vaimes voted iso out of nowhere and a few posts later tubba follows up on him. Tubba is following his teammate on the wagon to make it a legitimate push and not just random noise.
The scum team is most probably Vaimes/Tubba/grape although I'm not as convinced on grape, but his efforts to lynch Rodemy rub me the wrong way. There is no world where Tubba isn't scum. It's just not feasible at this point.
I'm thinking that grape wants to lynch in the poe, because they have a better chance for pushing an Iso lynch in LyLo than right now.
Tubba even slipped as scum and grape + Vaimes totally ignored it.
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vezok, I'm really happy for you, and I'mma letchoo finish, but let's lynch Tubba on Day 4. I have a good feeling about the Rodemy lynch - namely that so many people are trying to stop his lynch.
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And Rod would grill you (Vezok) for that because he thought he could get you mislynched for it. You were under pressure when he did that and you randomly deciding to question someone "not playing the game" seems like an easy way to join a push. What do you make of Rod's 586?
Also what is the Tubba slip? I didn't see one.
My comment was mostly a shot at Vaimes, and...Tubba? I can't remember if Tubba wanted Rodemy lynched or not.
Regardless, point stands. At least 2, maybe 3 people are trying to see Rodemy not get lynched, which is a concerning number given the present circumstances.
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I believe vezok is referring to #1378.
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Yeah my wall is waffly. I can't see a team that works, but I think he's really scummy. I more made that post just because you too basically had the opposite reactions to my recent posts. Which struck me as hilarious. Vezok disliking how hard I'm trying to get Vezok lynched and you the opposite.
And gotcha, I'd forgotten about that. I wrote it off that because those sort of language tells never actually work out for me. I'm not opposed to a Tubba lynch just prefer a Rod one at this point but am not ready to decide till I read Tubba and build some more teams.
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lol
Trying to get people to talk to and interact with each other. Both you and Vezok walked away from my posts wanting to lynch me, but for roughly opposite reasons. Aside from being a nice bit of absurd comedy it would be nice for people to discuss those differences in reads and debate why they think what they think.
Also I know DBS's check in isn't inspring confidence that she read everything but neither did her, Mikey, or Iso looking at the game. So pretty much the entire PoE ignored it. I get that you're scum reading the three of us but our ignoring it with everyone else ignoring it doesn't strike me as a tell in particular.
Come on man, I'm still in the room.
You're officially off my scum list. If I lose to this, I'm ok with it because I'm pretty much mind melding with it.
So the possibilities to be scum are (in order of likelihood) Rod, Tubba, Iso, Mikey, Vaimes. Which gives us 10 possible permutations.
Tubba/Rod/IsoThis team has the weird Iso/Tubba buddy problem. Rod and Iso are cross voting now, which is also a point against this one.Tubba/Rod/Mikey This team feels plausible. There is some weirdness of it given Rodemy's push on Mikey to start D2 but not outside the realm of distancing.
Tubba/Rod/VaimesVaimes is almost certainly not scum, but also Rod and Vaimes don't fit together as scum.Tubba/Iso/MikeyThis one runs into the Tubba/Iso weirdness again. If Iso is trying to end game himself by pocketing the masons I think he names his best guess.Tubba/Iso/VaimesTubba and Iso. Plus Vaimes and Iso are absolutely never buddies. The vitrol in their back and forth earlier was too genuine. Plus Vaimes is almost disqualifying on his own at this point.Tubba/Mikey/Vaimes This one works. Only thing against it is my town read of Vaimes. But as a trio it works.
Rod/Iso/Mikey This also works. Rodemy/Iso is weird but not disqualifying. Not on it's own.
Rod/Iso/VaimesNope. Vaimes and Iso are never buddies.Rod/Mikey/Vaimes This one works despite several of them saying they were insulted by it earlier. It's likely (Vaimes is in it) but it's not unreasonable.
Iso/Mikey/Vaimeslol Iso and Vaimes are never buddies.So I really only see 4 possible teams.
Tubba/Rod/Mikey
Tubba/Mikey/Vaimes
Rod/Iso/Mikey
Rod/Mikey/Vaimes
Vote: Mikey
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This just feels like a really gross post. Several people other than myself have noted the benefits to pocketing the masons, and it ignores the theory that dan's kill was a random shot to find a mason. Either dawn's not reading the game or she has an agenda.
Well no, I walked away from your post wanting to lynch Rodemy.
So you're absolutely against tinfoiling a world where dawn is scum?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And fair enough on walking away wanting to lynch Rod but your point was that I was trying to derail his lynch.
Any thoughts on my teams and eliminations? That don't revolve around you being town.
He refuses to listen to people. You think its s good idea for any scumbuddy to protect me right now? If i were scum, I'd his the ever living ***** outta me right now due to my *****ty play this game. I feel like it's the scumteam trying to lynch me and they are upset nobody else wants to. I'm probably the last flip thst wont clear anyone seeing as i pretty much have nothing but that vaimes convo. Lynch me, i flip town. Somehow that will turn into "Rodemy had no idea what he was talking about, let's lynch tubba. And then scum win. I'm sorry I have yet to iso tubba but at this point i don't care.
Iso and grape are scum and vaimes is the fence sitting 3rd.
Vaimes you have every right to go agai st your or team right now, it shows a disconnect and secures you as town until one of them gets lynched. Your entire play this game is "I am town because of this"you townclesr yourself more than anyonr else.
Grape is pushing a d1 read on me and that's stupid.
Iso does not suck enough at this game to push 2 mislynches. And now 3 because he is pushing me. He outted 2 masons and the 3rd came out. Like, of course he did. He pocketed the ****in masons. Genius play.