@Iso, @dawn, @dota : Please reread Vaimes and tell me what you see town about him?
This isn't town paranoia. It's scum trying to push on a lynch outside the poe because they are losing any other way.
There is just no chance that Iso is scum here. If betting wasn't illegal, I'd bet something on it.
Why is there no chance? A mason didn't die night one because he didn't know who they all were. How do you not see the value in keeping two masons in your pocket while you snipe around for the third? How are you as certain of that as you are that I'm scum? That Vaimes is scum? Maybe you're right, but talk me through how you get there. If you're serious about it, just saying "c'mon guys, better not do that" runs a pretty real risk of falling the way you don't want it to. What makes Dawn town? These are thugs you need to offer your perspective on if you actually plan on changing anyone's mind.
@Iso, @dawn, @dota : Please reread Vaimes and tell me what you see town about him?
This isn't town paranoia. It's scum trying to push on a lynch outside the poe because they are losing any other way.
There is just no chance that Iso is scum here. If betting wasn't illegal, I'd bet something on it.
Why is there no chance? A mason didn't die night one because he didn't know who they all were. How do you not see the value in keeping two masons in your pocket while you snipe around for the third? How are you as certain of that as you are that I'm scum? That Vaimes is scum? Maybe you're right, but talk me through how you get there. If you're serious about it, just saying "c'mon guys, better not do that" runs a pretty real risk of falling the way you don't want it to. What makes Dawn town? These are thugs you need to offer your perspective on if you actually plan on changing anyone's mind.
This is the truest slip I've ever caught in this game. You should know if I'm right about you being scum, because you know your own role.
If you were town the bolded succession of thoughts will have never happened.
Scumteam is vaimes/tubba/grape. I'm least sure about grape in this group, but I have faith in you guys, that you'll figure it out.
I'm dieing tonight. I don't want to leave Vaimes alive, because he is dangerous and poisons your mind with weird "Iso is scum" conspiracies.
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@Iso, @dawn, @dota : Please reread Vaimes and tell me what you see town about him?
This isn't town paranoia. It's scum trying to push on a lynch outside the poe because they are losing any other way.
There is just no chance that Iso is scum here. If betting wasn't illegal, I'd bet something on it.
Why is there no chance? A mason didn't die night one because he didn't know who they all were. How do you not see the value in keeping two masons in your pocket while you snipe around for the third? How are you as certain of that as you are that I'm scum? That Vaimes is scum? Maybe you're right, but talk me through how you get there. If you're serious about it, just saying "c'mon guys, better not do that" runs a pretty real risk of falling the way you don't want it to. What makes Dawn town? These are thugs you need to offer your perspective on if you actually plan on changing anyone's mind.
Iso has proven that he at least knew Vezok was a mason since D1, if he was scum why not shoot an unknown? Have you read Dan's iso, is there anything that hints at him being a mason? I agree with Vez's townread of Iso. I disagree though with the Vaimes read, but I will have to reread him before arguing for/against lynching him.
My paranoia of Grape is blinding me a bit I think. I'm looking for reasons to scum read him and since I doubt Vaimes and Grape are aligned I'm based in Vaimes'favour.
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Iso has proven that he at least knew Vezok was a mason since D1, if he was scum why not shoot an unknown? Have you read Dan's iso, is there anything that hints at him being a mason? I agree with Vez's townread of Iso. I disagree though with the Vaimes read, but I will have to reread him before arguing for/against lynching him.
Surely you can figure out why it benefits him to shoot an unknown. He can't very well announce that he knows Vezok is a mason and have Vezok shot in the night. Instead pocket Vezok, pick up pails full of towniness, and fire into the crowd and see what happens. How would you have proceeded as scum!Iso at that point, with one confirmed mason? Why would you kill them when you can track their interactions and try and unearth the other masons? (Which is exactly what happened btw)
@Iso, @dawn, @dota : Please reread Vaimes and tell me what you see town about him?
This isn't town paranoia. It's scum trying to push on a lynch outside the poe because they are losing any other way.
There is just no chance that Iso is scum here. If betting wasn't illegal, I'd bet something on it.
Why is there no chance? A mason didn't die night one because he didn't know who they all were. How do you not see the value in keeping two masons in your pocket while you snipe around for the third? How are you as certain of that as you are that I'm scum? That Vaimes is scum? Maybe you're right, but talk me through how you get there. If you're serious about it, just saying "c'mon guys, better not do that" runs a pretty real risk of falling the way you don't want it to. What makes Dawn town? These are thugs you need to offer your perspective on if you actually plan on changing anyone's mind.
This is the truest slip I've ever caught in this game. You should know if I'm right about you being scum, because you know your own role.
If you were town the bolded succession of thoughts will have never happened.
Scumteam is vaimes/tubba/grape. I'm least sure about grape in this group, but I have faith in you guys, that you'll figure it out.
I'm dieing tonight. I don't want to leave Vaimes alive, because he is dangerous and poisons your mind with weird "Iso is scum" conspiracies.
Yikes! You caught me by trying to have you think outside of the tiny hamster wheel you're currently running on. At least bold the whole sentence instead of grasping at any straw to keep your world intact. All I want you to do is consider the possibilities. Lynch me, but get there with a process.
Game is probably unsalvagable? You’ll probably lynch Tubba or Grape after me. And I really don’t know if Tubba is scum with the way he’s kinda goading vezok.
It sure would be ****ed if scum!Grape were the only one to support me.
Okay, I have a feeling Vezok just told Dota to vote vaimes and dota himself doesn't really have anything to say about this game.
Is vaimes/iso possible? Cause otherwise I don't see why vaimes is pushing this so hard. Like, you always always go for masons if you're a wolf. The only reason to really like make the play iso did is if his scumbuddies were under heavy suspicion before ruma gained traction. This is the scenario I see in scumchat:
"Dude you need to get in here we're not doing so great"
"K I think Ruma is an easy lynch, I'll pressure him and it'll look good."
"Then what?"
"Oh, I know who two, maybe three of the masons are, so tomorrow I'll claim to have the game solved and hope that everyone lynches the three people I tell them to."
"Why not just kill the masons?"
"This will be Sooooo much better."
If the wolves aren't really under any kind of suspicion it doesn't make sense to cause that much panic and discussion. If iso is a wolf like then his partners still have to be in the PoE and he was just hoping to hit the other 3. I'm gonna go reread the beginning of Day 2 just to see. I still don't think iso is a wolf and vaimes is just trying to enlarge the PoE to give us greater chances to miss. If vaimes lives through tomorrow I guarantee he'll be even more paranoid and suggest even more crazy theories, because we're guaranteed to hit a wolf in lylo.
Also rip this game ending before GP Vegas, might as well take our time now.
I wouldn’t be shocked if vezok did that. He did say that was his intention.
I am never scum with Iso, because bussing him for pulling this gambit is pretty gamethrow-y and Iso would actively put more effort into making me dead.
Surprisingly, I also don't know where dota's vote came from. We've had a bit of a discussion about Vaimes, but it wasn't anything related to voting him.
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Firstly, Vez never asked me to vote for Vaimes, something occurred to me that made me reconsider my townread. The vote was very much based on paranoia and meta combined but I just can't wrap my head around scumVaimes (sorry Vez).
Okay, I have a feeling Vezok just told Dota to vote vaimes and dota himself doesn't really have anything to say about this game.
Considering that I'm voting alongside you on your top? your scumread, why the shade here?
Is vaimes/iso possible? Cause otherwise I don't see why vaimes is pushing this so hard. Like, you always always go for masons if you're a wolf. The only reason to really like make the play iso did is if his scumbuddies were under heavy suspicion before ruma gained traction. This is the scenario I see in scumchat:
"Dude you need to get in here we're not doing so great"
"K I think Ruma is an easy lynch, I'll pressure him and it'll look good."
"Then what?"
"Oh, I know who two, maybe three of the masons are, so tomorrow I'll claim to have the game solved and hope that everyone lynches the three people I tell them to."
"Why not just kill the masons?"
"This will be Sooooo much better."
If the wolves aren't really under any kind of suspicion it doesn't make sense to cause that much panic and discussion. If iso is a wolf like then his partners still have to be in the PoE and he was just hoping to hit the other 3. I'm gonna go reread the beginning of Day 2 just to see. I still don't think iso is a wolf and vaimes is just trying to enlarge the PoE to give us greater chances to miss. If vaimes lives through tomorrow I guarantee he'll be even more paranoid and suggest even more crazy theories, because we're guaranteed to hit a wolf in lylo.
Also rip this game ending before GP Vegas, might as well take our time now.
If we lynch town toDay then toMorrow is LyLo, town lynched plus one mason NK'd means tomorrow is 3VT/1MS/3SC. How are we guaranteed to hit a wolf? And what point are you trying to make here about Iso/Vaimes?
I don't know where vaimes' certainty that iso is scum is coming from, it only makes sense to me if they're partners and trying to bus.
And really, you've barely done anything. You're a confirmed town, can you please give us your thoughts on the game? It's not a stretch to think that vezok said "hey we're killing vaimes today get in here." Now I'm legitimately surprised you ended up at vaimes on your own. Maybe explain that too?
I understand that you (and most people reading this) must think I sound like a crazy person. If you think I'm scum, you're well within your rights to lynch me.
But do not lynch me just because you don't like what I'm saying, or because you want me out of the game. It's unfair to me personally as a player, it's unfair to your team because you're not lynching to solve, and it's just plain mean. I'm sorry for snapping at you, but I'd really like for us to work together while we're both still alive.
I need for you to look at the game through the lens of me being town, because if you lynch me, that is the world you will find yourself in. Saying "oh let's just lynch x toDay and worry about the rest later" is not going to cut it and will just make it easier for scum to divert the lynch. We need to solve for the most likely scumteam while there's still a lot of town voices alive.
I need you to go through your townreads with a fine-tooth comb and try and talk about likely scumteams that don't include me /or/ Iso, if you feel that strongly about him being town. It's not like I enjoy tunneling and being wrong, so if I am, I'd at least like to be presented with something that makes more sense to me.
I am very open to discussing other worlds and other teams. The major problem I've had this game is that I have no townreads who townread me back, so I don't have a person I can discuss the game with in good faith. So all of my paranoia gets bottled up and I unleash it in several walls. If you want me to stop doing that, take my olive branch and work with me.
I don't know where vaimes' certainty that iso is scum is coming from, it only makes sense to me if they're partners and trying to bus.
It's not certainty. Just a strong, nagging feeling. I'm town, and I can only really see Grape as scum specifically with Iso and specifically due to PoE, with the occasional scummy action he's done.
It makes no sense to bus if Iso is basically in complete control of the game. He has no reason to lead any lynches personally.
I've spread an olive branch several times and you refused it each time. First with trying to make you see Senteza is a mason, which you ignored completely, then with trying to tell you that Iso isn't scum and another time when I asked you to stop with the conspiracies.
I've come to the conclusion that you are most probably scum. I'm not in the habit of policy lynching. I wanted to lynch tubba today and leave you alone for now while the rest of the town figures you out, but you had to come up with your crazy iso vote. Simply put, I don't believe that comes from a town side and even in the off-chance that I'm wrong and you somehow flip town, I still prefer it than lynching any other townie.
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I've spread an olive branch several times and you refused it each time. First with trying to make you see Senteza is a mason, which you ignored completely, then with trying to tell you that Iso isn't scum and another time when I asked you to stop with the conspiracies.
I've come to the conclusion that you are most probably scum. I'm not in the habit of policy lynching. I wanted to lynch tubba today and leave you alone for now while the rest of the town figures you out, but you had to come up with your crazy iso vote. Simply put, I don't believe that comes from a town side and even in the off-chance that I'm wrong and you somehow flip town, I still prefer it than lynching any other townie.
There's a difference between ignoring something and not seeing it. That is my fault, but there's nothing to be done about it now. It's not like I outed Sentenza, nor did she get lynched.
You still need to talk about your townreads. Please don't just sit there and wait for me to die; that is literally going to help no one.
I think vaimes is a hit.
I'm starting to get super worried about my hotel situation for Vegas, so unfortunately between that and work and 3 other games of Mafia I'm playing in, my activity is going to drop even more than it did last week. If vaimes flips town *maybe* we go after iso. If vaimes flips scum I say rodemy next.
I might have to reconsider on Mikey. It's like he's not even trying anymore.
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@Grape
I don't think I want to lynch Rod. Like, ever.
He doesn't seem to be knowingly aligned with...anyone, really. Too many instances of talking to people in ways that don't suggest partners.
Rod/Iso => With me gunning for Iso’s head and being scumread by more than half of the living players, I would expect Rod to take the easy path, call me crazy, and vote for me. Instead he’s pointed at Grape and Iso.
Rod/Grape => That “I give up” post Rod wrote. He didn’t write that post in a way that suggests a buddy calling you out on a slip. Also seems to be positioning self for a Grape lynch toMorrow.
Rod/Mikey => Rod was giving Mikey a lot of heat for fakeclaiming Masons with Ruma.
Literally the only team he fits on is Rod/Tubba/dbs, and I doubt any of us (but especially town!Iso) whiffs it that hard.
I think vaimes is a hit.
I'm starting to get super worried about my hotel situation for Vegas, so unfortunately between that and work and 3 other games of Mafia I'm playing in, my activity is going to drop even more than it did last week. If vaimes flips town *maybe* we go after iso. If vaimes flips scum I say rodemy next.
I think you should try and answer Dota's push on you before other business takes you away. We're getting to a pretty critical point in the game and I'm getting more and more suspicious of the people who are fine with more or less hand waving the day away.
I think vaimes is a hit.
I'm starting to get super worried about my hotel situation for Vegas, so unfortunately between that and work and 3 other games of Mafia I'm playing in, my activity is going to drop even more than it did last week. If vaimes flips town *maybe* we go after iso. If vaimes flips scum I say rodemy next.
I think you should try and answer Dota's push on you before other business takes you away. We're getting to a pretty critical point in the game and I'm getting more and more suspicious of the people who are fine with more or less hand waving the day away.
He's only suspicious of me because of how rapid-fire I was in OTG 4 and my playstyle and posting habits are a bit different this time around. If it made you all more comfortable I could switch back to OTG 4 style but I've got too much going on IRL to really put that much effort into it. Maybe if we go into lylo, cause it seemed to work there.
I'll keep reading and see if I change my mind on Mikey. Other people seem to think that his fakeclaim doesn't hold the towny weight I thought it did, so that might be something I'm wrong on.
If all the scum had been active, I probably would have been lynched by now with the amount of heat I've been getting. I got to L-2 ~kinda fast.
I don't see scum!Rod going after Iso, neither as a partner nor as a mislynch. I'm the path of least resistence, and Iso will look much worse with my townflip anyway. On top of that, Rod wants to lynch Grape after Iso, which makes no sense to me if he's scum.
Tubba seems to be weirdly calm. People kind of sporadically want to wagon him, and then immediately lose interest. Scum interference? Saving a buddy, saving an easy to justify mislynch? I really don't know.
Mikey is trending down a bit on my townreads. Doesn't really seem to care about solving the game - more interested in just moving on. I've been the only one defending him pretty much all game (besides Iso declaring him derpcleared), and Mikey doesn't seem to notice or care at all. He hasn't accused me of whiteknighting him or anything, he's just kind of ignoring me and wanting me dead.
Grape...eh. Probbbably not scum with Iso? If he randomly dreamt up a scumread on Killjoy, he could easily do it to me. And siding with me here only to, what, mislynch me in LyLo? That's pretty slowroll-y.
I don't even know what dbs is doing, or what she thinks she's doing.
Considering that I'm voting alongside you on your top? your scumread, why the shade here?
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If we lynch town toDay then toMorrow is LyLo, town lynched plus one mason NK'd means tomorrow is 3VT/1MS/3SC. How are we guaranteed to hit a wolf? And what point are you trying to make here about Iso/Vaimes?
You can click the post for context; I snipped your quotes because one of the posts was big.
Any chance you could have been town before just evaporated
and honestly...why on earth would I care? You've demonstrated for quite literally the entire game that you think I'm scum, ever since you decided that Killjoy and I were T/S. I've survived this far without your support.
(also I think the town reaction to a scumread voting you is "lol got 'em boys" or something like that; not implying that had I groveled enough, you would have spared me the noose)
Again, your motive this entire phase has been "widen the lynch pool". Not only does it mean you're panicking (which is what led to your followup vote on me), it means your partners are in the PoE and you're taking any chance you have to get people to ignore it.
I'm pretty sure vaimes is cornered and this means Iso is town.
Again, your motive this entire phase has been "widen the lynch pool". Not only does it mean you're panicking (which is what led to your followup vote on me), it means your partners are in the PoE and you're taking any chance you have to get people to ignore it.
I'm pretty sure vaimes is cornered and this means Iso is town.
Hypothetical question: what would you do in my situation if you were town, and had townreads on some of the other players in the PoE?
I would focus on DBS, because her dumbtell proves only that she isn't a mason. There are a lot of problems with this game, and a lot of people are being cleared because of the presence of daychat. The thing is, I've already focused on DBS myself, and her iso shows she's not too concerned with the game and is playing a very soloist, whimsical game. If she is a wolf, there's nothing tying her to other players, so that puts you in an ultimatum where A) Iso is town and has solved the PoE, or B) Iso is scum and is attempting to lynch the non-wolf players in his PoE.
Which means your play is forced. Which means deviation from that play is a desperate gambit.
That doesn't really answer my question, because you only gave me one (1) outside read you'd look at and then switched back to telling everyone how you're scumreading me right now.
What you're accusing me of isn't inherently scummy in the slightest. If I am town, and have townreads on 50%+ of the players Iso has sentenced to death, clearly I am going to have to look elsewhere for scum (besides just Iso). I'm not widening the lynch pool; I'm trying to re-shape it.
It's pretty NAI, so you thinking you have a slam-dunk scumread on me for ~widening the lynch pool~ is ignorant at best. Regardless of my alignment, I have to consider other options.
Also, Iso hasn't solved anything. I don't know why everyone thinks that finding 2/3 Masons means he solved the game. We mislynched twice, and I will flip town if I somehow get lynched here. Do you think someone has solved the game when they've lynched 3 townies and 0 mafia?
Like, with my death, that leaves an Iso-approved lynch pool of EXACTLY [Rod, Grape, Tubba] if Iso decide to keep clearing you and dbs. Doe that team make sense to you?
This isn't town paranoia. It's scum trying to push on a lynch outside the poe because they are losing any other way.
There is just no chance that Iso is scum here. If betting wasn't illegal, I'd bet something on it.
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Though I’m becoming less certain Grape is scum.
And I’d expect him to think outside the box to win this game with a cookie-cutter setup like this.
Why is there no chance? A mason didn't die night one because he didn't know who they all were. How do you not see the value in keeping two masons in your pocket while you snipe around for the third? How are you as certain of that as you are that I'm scum? That Vaimes is scum? Maybe you're right, but talk me through how you get there. If you're serious about it, just saying "c'mon guys, better not do that" runs a pretty real risk of falling the way you don't want it to. What makes Dawn town? These are thugs you need to offer your perspective on if you actually plan on changing anyone's mind.
This is the truest slip I've ever caught in this game. You should know if I'm right about you being scum, because you know your own role.
If you were town the bolded succession of thoughts will have never happened.
Scumteam is vaimes/tubba/grape. I'm least sure about grape in this group, but I have faith in you guys, that you'll figure it out.
I'm dieing tonight. I don't want to leave Vaimes alive, because he is dangerous and poisons your mind with weird "Iso is scum" conspiracies.
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Maybe I am wrong on Rod, if Grape is town. I feel like a town!Rod would have snap-voted Grape there.
My paranoia of Grape is blinding me a bit I think. I'm looking for reasons to scum read him and since I doubt Vaimes and Grape are aligned I'm based in Vaimes'favour.
Iso has proven that he at least knew Vezok was a mason since D1, if he was scum why
notshoot an unknown? Have you read Dan's iso, is there anything that hints at him being a mason? I agree with Vez's townread of Iso. I disagree though with the Vaimes read, but I will have to reread him before arguing for/against lynching him.Yikes! You caught me by trying to have you think outside of the tiny hamster wheel you're currently running on. At least bold the whole sentence instead of grasping at any straw to keep your world intact. All I want you to do is consider the possibilities. Lynch me, but get there with a process.
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Game is probably unsalvagable? You’ll probably lynch Tubba or Grape after me. And I really don’t know if Tubba is scum with the way he’s kinda goading vezok.
It sure would be ****ed if scum!Grape were the only one to support me.
Lynch Iso.
Or at least don’t write him off as town for one thing that absolutely does not townfirm him.
I doubt that Grape is scum. Kinda doubt that Tubba is scum. I could just be bad; talk everything out.
Is vaimes/iso possible? Cause otherwise I don't see why vaimes is pushing this so hard. Like, you always always go for masons if you're a wolf. The only reason to really like make the play iso did is if his scumbuddies were under heavy suspicion before ruma gained traction. This is the scenario I see in scumchat:
"Dude you need to get in here we're not doing so great"
"K I think Ruma is an easy lynch, I'll pressure him and it'll look good."
"Then what?"
"Oh, I know who two, maybe three of the masons are, so tomorrow I'll claim to have the game solved and hope that everyone lynches the three people I tell them to."
"Why not just kill the masons?"
"This will be Sooooo much better."
If the wolves aren't really under any kind of suspicion it doesn't make sense to cause that much panic and discussion. If iso is a wolf like then his partners still have to be in the PoE and he was just hoping to hit the other 3. I'm gonna go reread the beginning of Day 2 just to see. I still don't think iso is a wolf and vaimes is just trying to enlarge the PoE to give us greater chances to miss. If vaimes lives through tomorrow I guarantee he'll be even more paranoid and suggest even more crazy theories, because we're guaranteed to hit a wolf in lylo.
Also rip this game ending before GP Vegas, might as well take our time now.
I am never scum with Iso, because bussing him for pulling this gambit is pretty gamethrow-y and Iso would actively put more effort into making me dead.
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Secondly, Unvote, Vote: Mikey
Considering that I'm voting alongside you on your top? your scumread, why the shade here?
If we lynch town toDay then toMorrow is LyLo, town lynched plus one mason NK'd means tomorrow is 3VT/1MS/3SC. How are we guaranteed to hit a wolf? And what point are you trying to make here about Iso/Vaimes?
(Why the hell not...)
And really, you've barely done anything. You're a confirmed town, can you please give us your thoughts on the game? It's not a stretch to think that vezok said "hey we're killing vaimes today get in here." Now I'm legitimately surprised you ended up at vaimes on your own. Maybe explain that too?
I understand that you (and most people reading this) must think I sound like a crazy person. If you think I'm scum, you're well within your rights to lynch me.
But do not lynch me just because you don't like what I'm saying, or because you want me out of the game. It's unfair to me personally as a player, it's unfair to your team because you're not lynching to solve, and it's just plain mean. I'm sorry for snapping at you, but I'd really like for us to work together while we're both still alive.
I need for you to look at the game through the lens of me being town, because if you lynch me, that is the world you will find yourself in. Saying "oh let's just lynch x toDay and worry about the rest later" is not going to cut it and will just make it easier for scum to divert the lynch. We need to solve for the most likely scumteam while there's still a lot of town voices alive.
I need you to go through your townreads with a fine-tooth comb and try and talk about likely scumteams that don't include me /or/ Iso, if you feel that strongly about him being town. It's not like I enjoy tunneling and being wrong, so if I am, I'd at least like to be presented with something that makes more sense to me.
I am very open to discussing other worlds and other teams. The major problem I've had this game is that I have no townreads who townread me back, so I don't have a person I can discuss the game with in good faith. So all of my paranoia gets bottled up and I unleash it in several walls. If you want me to stop doing that, take my olive branch and work with me.
I'll come back and talk about teams.
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It makes no sense to bus if Iso is basically in complete control of the game. He has no reason to lead any lynches personally.
I've come to the conclusion that you are most probably scum. I'm not in the habit of policy lynching. I wanted to lynch tubba today and leave you alone for now while the rest of the town figures you out, but you had to come up with your crazy iso vote. Simply put, I don't believe that comes from a town side and even in the off-chance that I'm wrong and you somehow flip town, I still prefer it than lynching any other townie.
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You still need to talk about your townreads. Please don't just sit there and wait for me to die; that is literally going to help no one.
See? No conspiracy.
I'm starting to get super worried about my hotel situation for Vegas, so unfortunately between that and work and 3 other games of Mafia I'm playing in, my activity is going to drop even more than it did last week. If vaimes flips town *maybe* we go after iso. If vaimes flips scum I say rodemy next.
I might have to reconsider on Mikey. It's like he's not even trying anymore.
Anyway.
@Grape
I don't think I want to lynch Rod. Like, ever.
He doesn't seem to be knowingly aligned with...anyone, really. Too many instances of talking to people in ways that don't suggest partners.
Rod/Iso => With me gunning for Iso’s head and being scumread by more than half of the living players, I would expect Rod to take the easy path, call me crazy, and vote for me. Instead he’s pointed at Grape and Iso.
Rod/Grape => That “I give up” post Rod wrote. He didn’t write that post in a way that suggests a buddy calling you out on a slip. Also seems to be positioning self for a Grape lynch toMorrow.
Rod/Mikey => Rod was giving Mikey a lot of heat for fakeclaiming Masons with Ruma.
Literally the only team he fits on is Rod/Tubba/dbs, and I doubt any of us (but especially town!Iso) whiffs it that hard.
Vaimes (2): mikey, vezok
Iso (2): tubba, rodemy
Tubba (1): vaimes
Mikey (1): dota
I think you should try and answer Dota's push on you before other business takes you away. We're getting to a pretty critical point in the game and I'm getting more and more suspicious of the people who are fine with more or less hand waving the day away.
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Ruma (7) - Vaimes, Sentenza, Vezok, Iso, Rodemy, dan, grape
Vezok (2) - Ruma, Mikey
Mikey (2) - Dawn, dota
Vaimes (1) - Killjoy
Not voting: tubba
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Basically not. Only possible if the exact team is Iso/Mikey/dbs.
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Mikey (2): dota, vaimes
Vaimes (2): mikey, vezok
Iso (2): tubba, rodemy
Not voting: grape, dbs, iso
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Unvote, vote Mikey
I'll keep reading and see if I change my mind on Mikey. Other people seem to think that his fakeclaim doesn't hold the towny weight I thought it did, so that might be something I'm wrong on.
If all the scum had been active, I probably would have been lynched by now with the amount of heat I've been getting. I got to L-2 ~kinda fast.
I don't see scum!Rod going after Iso, neither as a partner nor as a mislynch. I'm the path of least resistence, and Iso will look much worse with my townflip anyway. On top of that, Rod wants to lynch Grape after Iso, which makes no sense to me if he's scum.
Tubba seems to be weirdly calm. People kind of sporadically want to wagon him, and then immediately lose interest. Scum interference? Saving a buddy, saving an easy to justify mislynch? I really don't know.
Mikey is trending down a bit on my townreads. Doesn't really seem to care about solving the game - more interested in just moving on. I've been the only one defending him pretty much all game (besides Iso declaring him derpcleared), and Mikey doesn't seem to notice or care at all. He hasn't accused me of whiteknighting him or anything, he's just kind of ignoring me and wanting me dead.
Grape...eh. Probbbably not scum with Iso? If he randomly dreamt up a scumread on Killjoy, he could easily do it to me. And siding with me here only to, what, mislynch me in LyLo? That's pretty slowroll-y.
I don't even know what dbs is doing, or what she thinks she's doing.
But I think quite literally everyone apart from Iso don't think so, and I'm trying to cut back on thinking I'm always right.
In the meantime, DoTA had some actual questions for you: You can click the post for context; I snipped your quotes because one of the posts was big.
I'm pretty sure vaimes is cornered and this means Iso is town.
Hard to win
Which means your play is forced. Which means deviation from that play is a desperate gambit.
What you're accusing me of isn't inherently scummy in the slightest. If I am town, and have townreads on 50%+ of the players Iso has sentenced to death, clearly I am going to have to look elsewhere for scum (besides just Iso). I'm not widening the lynch pool; I'm trying to re-shape it.
It's pretty NAI, so you thinking you have a slam-dunk scumread on me for ~widening the lynch pool~ is ignorant at best. Regardless of my alignment, I have to consider other options.
Also, Iso hasn't solved anything. I don't know why everyone thinks that finding 2/3 Masons means he solved the game. We mislynched twice, and I will flip town if I somehow get lynched here. Do you think someone has solved the game when they've lynched 3 townies and 0 mafia?
Like, with my death, that leaves an Iso-approved lynch pool of EXACTLY [Rod, Grape, Tubba] if Iso decide to keep clearing you and dbs. Doe that team make sense to you?