I think I've given my thoughts on DBS before. Their playstyle is one that kind of pings me as scummy (they claimed bodyguard in OTG 4 and I still thought there was a chance of them being scum!) so I'm trying to look at it with that perspective. I don't really see someone who's super involved with the game, and I also don't see someone who's being coached. I do think, though, that the people pushing for her derpclear locking her in as town are the best place to look for potential partnerships with DBS (whoever brought this up first, good point). I've always been told that masons are town together, so I don't even know where DBS came up with this crazy theory. It simply makes her "not a mason" in my eyes. The towny part comes from my belief that players who are checked out of the game and not paying attention are more likely to be vanilla than coasting scum.
Vote: tubba and hope this PoE is a game solve. Occam's Razor, right?
Also, I may have kissed it, I referenced your 314 where you stated that the argument between Vaimes and KJ was not likely to be t/t. We now know that KJ is the t, so talk me through how Vaimes is also t.
I still maintain that Vaimes' behavior was and is individually scummy, outside of the range of tinfoil. I mean, it's possible they're just throwing out wild conspiracies to keep the game from progressing, which maybe comes from a wolf mindset there. I don't think I've ever put a level of scumminess/towniness on paranoia (meaning is it real or faked), but usually when I get paranoid about a specific player, they end up being town in the end.
Like, it's not worth diving down the rabbit hole where iso is scum, right? So his PoE is coming from town iso perspective and likely contains the wolves. At this point where reads don't matter as much (we're inarguably lynching inside the PoE, because everyone outside of it is either lock town or very likely to be town for some reason or another) I'm kind of just closing my eyes and shooting and hoping I like what I see when I open. Despite what my own gut says, the PoE is likely to be right so I'd rather just block out the paranoia and roll with it.
I still maintain that Vaimes' behavior was and is individually scummy, outside of the range of tinfoil. I mean, it's possible they're just throwing out wild conspiracies to keep the game from progressing, which maybe comes from a wolf mindset there. I don't think I've ever put a level of scumminess/towniness on paranoia (meaning is it real or faked), but usually when I get paranoid about a specific player, they end up being town in the end.
Like, it's not worth diving down the rabbit hole where iso is scum, right? So his PoE is coming from town iso perspective and likely contains the wolves. At this point where reads don't matter as much (we're inarguably lynching inside the PoE, because everyone outside of it is either lock town or very likely to be town for some reason or another) I'm kind of just closing my eyes and shooting and hoping I like what I see when I open. Despite what my own gut says, the PoE is likely to be right so I'd rather just block out the paranoia and roll with it.
The other people talking came thing out wrong Vaimes. I don't want you to stop, I want other people to join you. Please don't stop talking.
Onto actual points fair enough on masons outing and your reaction. Making it one more day would have been ideal. And having your reads turned topsy turvy sucks.
As for your EoD I was trying to day what you said about it. That you didn't like lynching KJ but weren't pushing an alternative to him. My guts says it's what you said but I have to make sure it's not you avoiding rocking the boat to much as a mislynch goes through without your involvement.
As for Rod go read the first page again. Rod can't make up his mind if it's distancing or genuine unalignment before he stops talking about it. The point is made to him that it's hard to tell if "connections" masons or scum in this game and he pretty much drops it. But the furst time he mentions Dota/Sent it's as genuinely unaligned. I'll go quote it again in a moment.
More food for though. If i thought dota and sentz were connected, right (masons or scum.. but if i am scum obviously masons)? and sentz was super town.. why the **** did scumteam not kill sentz?
Try to reconcile these as "I knew it was distancing all along"
Here it is. The first post being the key. Clearly thinks it's an unalignment tell.
@Tubba because Iso picked up on the connection between Dota and Vezok. So short of running a gambit to try and clear himself why wouldn't he shoot a mason. And even if he was running that gambit why not shoot one (dota) and still attempt to out the team by "saving" them for credit when Vezok inevitably gets pushed. I've softened my clear on him a bit but I'm pretty sure Iso just shoots one of Vezok or Dota 80% of the time last Night.
Unrelated I'm the person who loudest and quickest called DBS lock town for her slip and Istand by it. And urging a buddy to spew false info about the setup to try and earn a clear is just gross and not something I'd ever do.
Anyway hopefully work is slow so I can dive into this.
I don't know, he really only seemed to know about Vezok, seemingly based on the mean girls post. I've been looking for the supposed line from mean girls by Dot that outed him, but I'm not familiar enough with the movie. Tinfoil firmly in place, Dan was scum reading Vaimes just before biting it, and I wouldn't assume you'd need to kill a mason n1. Especially if you don't know who the third one is, eliminating a low poster that's leaning scum on your team could lead to a lucky shot. Ruma was pretty obviously going to be the lynch so there's room to play a little looser than otherwise.
Last thought before work I can't really imagine not lynching Rod and Tubba the next two days. There are so few worlds where both are town that it's hard to go for a home run swing before we know which worlds we're dealing with. If tubba is scum but Rod isn't we never try and reach for Iso in lylo. Vice versa we would.
More food for though. If i thought dota and sentz were connected, right (masons or scum.. but if i am scum obviously masons)? and sentz was super town.. why the **** did scumteam not kill sentz?
Try to reconcile these as "I knew it was distancing all along"
Here it is. The first post being the key. Clearly thinks it's an unalignment tell.
I give up.
No ****in clue why i typed that part. I literally was talking about how dota was distancing from sentz. LIKE I ****ed myself.
Gg rodemy
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Oh, like doing it publicly (I remember now) like, if they were mason or scum, they would discuss who they were and such. But he made it so.. obvious?
Like i noticed. Rodemy ****in noticed. That should say something. It doesn't matter that i said that there, i say dumb ***** that makes no sense sometimes.
But like, I NOTICED SOMETHING AND YOU CAN'T DENY THAT.
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Oh, like doing it publicly (I remember now) like, if they were mason or scum, they would discuss who they were and such. But he made it so.. obvious?
Like i noticed. Rodemy ****in noticed. That should say something. It doesn't matter that i said that there, i say dumb ***** that makes no sense sometimes.
But like, I NOTICED SOMETHING AND YOU CAN'T DENY THAT.
You did and I'm not denying it. What I'm saying is that reading page 1 it's not clear what you thought you found. At times it reads like you thought it indicated alignment at other times it reads like you thought it indicated anti-alignment. I think reading page 1 it looks more like you thought it was an anti-alignment and I haven't had time to reread and see if you ever brought it back up. But page 1 is what stuck with me.
If we set my reservations aside I'm not sure what it says about your alignment. I'm more inclined to downgrade my Iso clear than I am to clear you based on it. If you and Iso both knew or suspected the scum team then it becomes much more likely that scum intentionally didn't shoot at someone they suspected was a mason. Because the team of Tubba, Vaimes, Mikey while possible doesn't seem like an obvious solution to me.
Actually maybe I do like that team. Really need to reread Mikey but work is busy and all I've done is refresh the thread.
I'm personally offended you think I could be on a team with Vaimes and Tubba.
Ditto.
No one should think I'm on a team with Mikey. I'd probably bus the ***** out of him for the way he's been pointlessly needling at me with his pointless "Vaimes and Killjoy were T/S!!" song and dance.
And given I got so much heat on D1 and tend to reflexively bus under pressure, a Tubba/Vaimes world also makes no sense. Unless you can look at me with a straight face and say you think I'm counting on Tubba to endgame.
My problem is that if there's one or more experienced player on the scumteam (hi, Grape/Iso nightmare combo), then I don't doubt they've managed to put together a gambit that nets them the win while we scratch our heads trying to figure out what's happening. I don't think this scumteam's plan was "shoot Masons, win," because that's boring and not even a certain path to victory.
I don't like how attention keeps shifting away from the Ruma wagon. There is scum on it, and lynching Killjoy did absolutely nothing to help us find them. The same cluster of players were on both lynches. I'm not going to be lured onto another off-wagon player. Iso/Rod/Grape need to be solved, toDay. Period.
My preference is Iso > Grape > Rod, but somehow I doubt that'll happen.
Iso needs to get in here with actual scumreads.
He thought that Sentenza and I were never scum together. That should mean he has a scumread on me, but he sure hasn't acted like it with the way he chased after other wagons all of D2.
He thought that Grape and Killjoy were never scum together. Killjoy flipped town. Is Iso going to push a Grape scumread now? Or is he going to latch onto Tubba since he isn't a Mason?
Rod was his only PoE read that had no unaligned buddy. He hasn't really pushed on Rod.
Hell, Iso made it easy and basically told us his current scumteam is Vaimes/Tubba/Rod with an outside chance of Grape. Unless he wants to double back on Mikey or dbs.
But instead he basically vote hopped all of D2 and hasn't done a single towny thing besides something that was probably a gambit to out and pocket the Masons.
If you look at it from that angle, it's a lot more valuable than killing them. You only lose in LyLo if the Masons aren't on your side. Having a townfirm defend you and push mislynches for you is genius.
I am fully aware I sound like a broken record, but I'm going to push on this Iso/Grape connection until I get a scumflip from one or both of them.
I understand my credibility is probably shot, what with me thinking Sentenza could be scum, or having all of the Masons in my scumreads.
I don't really care. Town aren't meant to have all of the information, and just because I'm wrong about something one day doesn't mean I can't be on the right track the next.
It'll be embarrasing if the team is Tubba/Rod/Mikey or something, but it's a game and not the end of the world if I lead town off a cliff, even if it doesn't feel great.
I went through dbs' posts again. Didn't really help with getting a better read on her. The "Masons can be scum" thing still baffles me. I don't know how that would work in a non-bastard setup - if the alignment of the person you share a chat with isn't confirmed, then you aren't Masons. If you're told they're town but they're actually scum, then it's bastard.
Anyways.
What I did get out of reading her posts is that she's unlikely to be scum with Rod (for the "good catch" post - one scum Masonhunting and the other one praising him for it would be reeeally ballsy for RVS) and probably never scum with Mikey (she thought he claimed...something, and poked him about claiming a few times).
Hey Mikey, that's a horrible vote, I'm basically the only person who believes in you, and you are gonna get a lot of ***** in LyLo when I flip town and I'd really rather you didn't get mislynched if you're town.
So. I'm still in the camp that there were two scum on the wagon and one off, unless the scum are exactly in tubba/dawn/mikey. I doubt it's exactly those three because because I doubt Mikey is scum.
Current Worlds: 2(1?) in Vaimes/Iso/Rodemy/Grape, 1(2????) in Tubba/Dawn. (It's possible that they're both scum but very unlikely I think?)
Mikey:The way he mixed up me and Vaimes comes to mind as something I can't really see scum doing if they're self-aware.
(Sidenote: Mikey-Vaimes world less liekly due to this.) There was also his confusion
So, that means there's very likely one scum in Tubba/Dawn.
Dawn: An ISO of Dawn reveals her doing... not a whole hell of a lot. She's been half-pushing Vaimes all day with a little push on Mikey. I'm actively townreading both of these people.
She's being cleared for not knowing if masons are town, yes? I disagree with the idea that she could have asked that in the scumchat, because why would she? Its also of note that she's against mason covers and wants to find the vts.
Although. Reading a bit into her posts make me think that maybe she just... doesn't have access to any kind of scumchat. Her @Rodemy in 582 is what's most strongly making me think this. It's just a... weird thought to have if you have people on your scumteam who know better.
Tubba: He spends a LOT of time saying Rod is town. So Tubba/Rod is less likely. Scum don't generally spend so much time telling us that their buddies are town.Tubba/Vaimes also pretty unlikely, as bussing him makes no sense.
Don't flatter yourself sweetie, I'm just a sucker for hearing my name.
Seriously, I was writing that post in response to a previous post and serendipitously ended up right behind you.
If you think Vaimes reads are bad, so bad that you were willing to vote him for how bad they are, why were you so quick to drop it and switch onto ISO?
... he said, suspiciously, to the confirmed villager.
Silly me, I must have missed the flip...
You're certainly confident enough with certain aspects of the game, particularly smearing and shading other players. Maybe Vaimes has a point.
This is kind of... idk. Saying his top scumread has a point about another of his supposed scumreads (especially one that's now confirmed town) feels weird.
I also have a hard time believing he actually believes that the claiming masons are actually the claiming scum unless he himself is a mason... which no one is confirming with him. So it's probably not the case.
He is by far the most likely scum off the Ruma wagon. Vote Tubba
With tubba being scum, it's probably just exactly Tubba/Iso/Grape. If I'm wrong about either of Rod or Vaimes being scum with him, its more likely Vaimes than Rod. Half-scumread is more likely something one does to their buddy than hard townread.
So now the actual wagon.
Vaimes: Postcount aside, his progression on me seems. natural.My biggest issue with his play is his streams of conciousness that include "I'm town". That's not a thought I usually have as town because I'm not usually thinking about my alignment when playing this game as town. Otherwise he's fine. More likely town than not.
Iso: Like. IDK how to actually read Iso. Maybe the only way is to judge based off his results. He was profoundly wrong (and kinda insulting) on Ruman. IDK if scum!Iso commits that hard to what he knows is a town wagon though.I mean. Maybe not? He certainly tries to say he found the masons d1 and therefore can't be scum, but I see a world where he catches them, doesn't kill them specifically so he can make that argument. Still probably the weakest of the three in my PoE as likely scum.
Rodemy: I think Rod is town. His general lack of self-awareness is town. Similar to Mikey. Also if tubba is scum then he's probably town.
Grape: I'm actually not actively scumreading him. Its pretty much all PoE.Probably the most scummy thing I've seen him do is stick to the mason cover with me for longer than I'd expect. I actually thought he was joking until he kept doing it.
So, yea.
I think I'll just talk to Grape and DoTA, even though Grape is kinda floating in and out of my scumreads. They're the only ones willing to engage.
Grape: whether you're scum or not, my updated hypothesis is that Iso wanted to pocket the Masons before he killed them off. And for that to happen, he really only needed to confirm he knew one on D1. Then he PoE'd the rest to make it look like he knew the whole team.
And I agree that him completely missing vezok's fit over Sentenza is weird. It strongly implies he isn't reading the game.
Just die. I don't want to see your posts in the thread any more. I don't even care if you are town, but these insane levels of paranoia are not helping town at all.
I'm just going to convince everyone to vote Vaimes and end the day.
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Just die. I don't want to see your posts in the thread any more. I don't even care if you are town, but these insane levels of paranoia are not helping town at all.
Your attitude is poisonous and I'm honestly over it.
Unvote, vote Vaimes
L-1.
I hope I'm dead by the time I wake up.
I don't trust this town to lynch Iso, but oh well.
Just die. I don't want to see your posts in the thread any more. I don't even care if you are town, but these insane levels of paranoia are not helping town at all.
Your attitude is poisonous and I'm honestly over it.
Unvote, vote Vaimes
L-1.
I hope I'm dead by the time I wake up.
I don't trust this town to lynch Iso, but oh well.
Yeah, this convinced me. I won't join another game with you.
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Caught up on reading, I'm back but for the next few hours only kinda (day with family)
I see we're outed which is a relief of sorts, I kept thinking I was going to give it away (which I guess I did).
There's been far too many town late in this game, every remaining player outside of the mason team has had someone say they are undeniably town by someone else. When I have some time later today/tomorrow I want to try and pull together a list of who has towncleared a player and why. There has to be an illogical clear floating around.
long time no see. hope you've been contributing to the mason chat. might be best to work without the townclears, just the masons.
I don’t really want to lose my cool, or for there to be any oog resentment.
But pushing a policy lynch on me just because you don’t like how I’m trying to find the scumteam is completely unacceptable, and you know it.
Feel free to ignore me if it’s really making the game unenjoyable for you. But don’t you dare push that kind of ***** on the other players.
Maybe you can help me with my parody song after this is over. I'm gonna call it "Vindication" sung to the tune of U2's "Elevation".
I think you have some scum to you, but I can't shake the fact that you at least look like you're solving.... Unvote Vote Iso
I'll compromise between two of my scum reads.
Vezok, the problem is that what you're doing isn't actually helping. You have a perception of the game state that COULD be true, but is by no means locked in as true. I could be the worst scum ever with incredibly bad coaching by my team. Vaimes could be prolifically posting as scum, colouring the game state to help hide what's going on. Iso could've lied to out the masons and shot into the dark, Grape could be level headed and calmly let town hang itself, Dawn could be lurker scum that hasn't felt the need to push hard, Mikey could be playing an earlier derp-clear for all it's, etc.
Simply saying "I don't care what you think, I don't like that." is just the worst kind of town play because you're no longer working to solve. NOTHING is solved until three dead scum lay at our feet, and if you don't plan to contribute to that just be quiet and hammer when necessary.
So the Iso as scum idea is something I'm coming around to. It's actually my working theory at this point but he has to have teammates. With his unavailablity on weekends and only posting at off times for americans I think it will be really hard for him to keep up a facade if we start lynching his teammates and that's where I want to start.
He's never scum with Vaimes. Just is never a real combo at all. The strain there earlier was real. And from a game flow PoV there is no reason Vaimes should have turned on Iso like he did. He was lower down the PoE pexking order and they could have let at least one of Rod/Tubba eat a lynch before turning on each other. So yeah never buddies.
I said Tubba and Iso were never buddies earlier and I want a sanity check on that. Is it just wine to figure out if scum!Iso gambiting to pocket masons wouldn't put his buddies in? If he's going for a pocket he needs to be as impressive as possible so I think he'd give his real best shot at a solve. So despite it possibly being wine I think it's real.
So that only leaves Rod outside the derp clear department. And I think he just always needs to be the lynch of the day. Especially if the working theory is that Iso is scum. Assuming I make my sanity check on Tubba.
The only lingering alarm I have with Vaimes is the shade he was directing at me to start the day but given his town read of KJ and the fact that I mostly made that happen I can buy it.
Anyway point is even if Iso is scum, which given Vaimes almost certainly being town now is very likely the case, he's still not as good of a lynch because there is 100% to be at least one scum between Rod and Tubba and solving that before lylo is incredibly important.
So the Iso as scum idea is something I'm coming around to. It's actually my working theory at this point but he has to have teammates. With his unavailablity on weekends and only posting at off times for americans I think it will be really hard for him to keep up a facade if we start lynching his teammates and that's where I want to start.
He's never scum with Vaimes. Just is never a real combo at all. The strain there earlier was real. And from a game flow PoV there is no reason Vaimes should have turned on Iso like he did. He was lower down the PoE pexking order and they could have let at least one of Rod/Tubba eat a lynch before turning on each other. So yeah never buddies.
I said Tubba and Iso were never buddies earlier and I want a sanity check on that. Is it just wine to figure out if scum!Iso gambiting to pocket masons wouldn't put his buddies in? If he's going for a pocket he needs to be as impressive as possible so I think he'd give his real best shot at a solve. So despite it possibly being wine I think it's real.
So that only leaves Rod outside the derp clear department. And I think he just always needs to be the lynch of the day. Especially if the working theory is that Iso is scum. Assuming I make my sanity check on Tubba.
The only lingering alarm I have with Vaimes is the shade he was directing at me to start the day but given his town read of KJ and the fact that I mostly made that happen I can buy it.
Anyway point is even if Iso is scum, which given Vaimes almost certainly being town now is very likely the case, he's still not as good of a lynch because there is 100% to be at least one scum between Rod and Tubba and solving that before lylo is incredibly important.
Scum shouldn't get a clear to be lynched just because of availability. That's ridiculous. "Iso is scum, but let's find out and lynch his teammates instead"
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I'm not saying leave him alive because of availability. I'm saying leave him alive because there is definitely at least 1 scum in you and Tubba Rodemy and that while I think Iso is scum I'm less sure of that than I am that one of you two has to be scum. I even say that in the last paragraph.
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. With his unavailablity on weekends and only posting at off times for americans I think it will be really hard for him to keep up a facade if we start lynching his teammates and that's where I want to start.
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This is gross. Like a: iso hasn't mentioned his availability for this game which right there should say grape/iso scum.
B: The mentality that you think iso is scum but want to lynch his partners first is backwards and seems kinda bussy. Throw shade at partner but then try to distract from him by sending town on a wild goose chase for his partners. Good tactic if his partner is the one suggesting it.
C: it's snowing on mount Fuji.
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This is gross. Like a: iso hasn't mentioned his availability for this game which right there should say grape/iso scum.
B: The mentality that you think iso is scum but want to lynch his partners first is backwards and seems kinda bussy. Throw shade at partner but then try to distract from him by sending town on a wild goose chase for his partners. Good tactic if his partner is the one suggesting it.
C: it's snowing on mount Fuji.
A: I've played a ton of games with Iso. And he has mentioned playing at work overnights this game.
B: I think he's scum (~45%). But I know there is scum in you/Tubba (>85%) and I'm almost certain that Tubba isn't Iso's buddy (but no one is giving me a sanity check on that :/).
C: That's cool.
D: you're ignoring this.
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Anyway point is even if Iso is scum, which given Vaimes almost certainly being town now is very likely the case, he's still not as good of a lynch because there is 100% to be at least one scum between Rod and Tubba and solving that before lylo is incredibly important.
I think Iso is scum, but I don't know that he is. Now that I am confident Vaimes is town at least one of you and Tubba must be scum and possibly both.
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That was me but whatevs...
Like, it's not worth diving down the rabbit hole where iso is scum, right? So his PoE is coming from town iso perspective and likely contains the wolves. At this point where reads don't matter as much (we're inarguably lynching inside the PoE, because everyone outside of it is either lock town or very likely to be town for some reason or another) I'm kind of just closing my eyes and shooting and hoping I like what I see when I open. Despite what my own gut says, the PoE is likely to be right so I'd rather just block out the paranoia and roll with it.
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Im doing a read tomorrow, promise. I need a self care day. It's been a rough week.
Onto actual points fair enough on masons outing and your reaction. Making it one more day would have been ideal. And having your reads turned topsy turvy sucks.
As for your EoD I was trying to day what you said about it. That you didn't like lynching KJ but weren't pushing an alternative to him. My guts says it's what you said but I have to make sure it's not you avoiding rocking the boat to much as a mislynch goes through without your involvement.
As for Rod go read the first page again. Rod can't make up his mind if it's distancing or genuine unalignment before he stops talking about it. The point is made to him that it's hard to tell if "connections" masons or scum in this game and he pretty much drops it. But the furst time he mentions Dota/Sent it's as genuinely unaligned. I'll go quote it again in a moment.
Here it is. The first post being the key. Clearly thinks it's an unalignment tell.
Unrelated I'm the person who loudest and quickest called DBS lock town for her slip and Istand by it. And urging a buddy to spew false info about the setup to try and earn a clear is just gross and not something I'd ever do.
Anyway hopefully work is slow so I can dive into this.
Muh.
I give up.
No ****in clue why i typed that part. I literally was talking about how dota was distancing from sentz. LIKE I ****ed myself.
Gg rodemy
Like i noticed. Rodemy ****in noticed. That should say something. It doesn't matter that i said that there, i say dumb ***** that makes no sense sometimes.
But like, I NOTICED SOMETHING AND YOU CAN'T DENY THAT.
You did and I'm not denying it. What I'm saying is that reading page 1 it's not clear what you thought you found. At times it reads like you thought it indicated alignment at other times it reads like you thought it indicated anti-alignment. I think reading page 1 it looks more like you thought it was an anti-alignment and I haven't had time to reread and see if you ever brought it back up. But page 1 is what stuck with me.
If we set my reservations aside I'm not sure what it says about your alignment. I'm more inclined to downgrade my Iso clear than I am to clear you based on it. If you and Iso both knew or suspected the scum team then it becomes much more likely that scum intentionally didn't shoot at someone they suspected was a mason. Because the team of Tubba, Vaimes, Mikey while possible doesn't seem like an obvious solution to me.
Actually maybe I do like that team. Really need to reread Mikey but work is busy and all I've done is refresh the thread.
Thinking about it more that team is bad. Really was mostly based on Vaimes hard defending you but that's a horrible reason to scum read you.
No one should think I'm on a team with Mikey. I'd probably bus the ***** out of him for the way he's been pointlessly needling at me with his pointless "Vaimes and Killjoy were T/S!!" song and dance.
And given I got so much heat on D1 and tend to reflexively bus under pressure, a Tubba/Vaimes world also makes no sense. Unless you can look at me with a straight face and say you think I'm counting on Tubba to endgame.
"No one can lynch Tubba if I never mention him!"
Unvote, vote Iso
I don't like how attention keeps shifting away from the Ruma wagon. There is scum on it, and lynching Killjoy did absolutely nothing to help us find them. The same cluster of players were on both lynches. I'm not going to be lured onto another off-wagon player. Iso/Rod/Grape need to be solved, toDay. Period.
My preference is Iso > Grape > Rod, but somehow I doubt that'll happen.
Iso needs to get in here with actual scumreads.
He thought that Sentenza and I were never scum together. That should mean he has a scumread on me, but he sure hasn't acted like it with the way he chased after other wagons all of D2.
He thought that Grape and Killjoy were never scum together. Killjoy flipped town. Is Iso going to push a Grape scumread now? Or is he going to latch onto Tubba since he isn't a Mason?
Rod was his only PoE read that had no unaligned buddy. He hasn't really pushed on Rod.
Hell, Iso made it easy and basically told us his current scumteam is Vaimes/Tubba/Rod with an outside chance of Grape. Unless he wants to double back on Mikey or dbs.
But instead he basically vote hopped all of D2 and hasn't done a single towny thing besides something that was probably a gambit to out and pocket the Masons.
If you look at it from that angle, it's a lot more valuable than killing them. You only lose in LyLo if the Masons aren't on your side. Having a townfirm defend you and push mislynches for you is genius.
I am fully aware I sound like a broken record, but I'm going to push on this Iso/Grape connection until I get a scumflip from one or both of them.
I don't really care. Town aren't meant to have all of the information, and just because I'm wrong about something one day doesn't mean I can't be on the right track the next.
It'll be embarrasing if the team is Tubba/Rod/Mikey or something, but it's a game and not the end of the world if I lead town off a cliff, even if it doesn't feel great.
Anyways.
What I did get out of reading her posts is that she's unlikely to be scum with Rod (for the "good catch" post - one scum Masonhunting and the other one praising him for it would be reeeally ballsy for RVS) and probably never scum with Mikey (she thought he claimed...something, and poked him about claiming a few times).
Vote: Vaimes
don't ask me to explain this because it's essentially pure gut
maybe tubba is better idc
dbs never answered this question, and I'd like her to.
Hey Mikey, that's a horrible vote, I'm basically the only person who believes in you, and you are gonna get a lot of ***** in LyLo when I flip town and I'd really rather you didn't get mislynched if you're town.
what do I have to do? make another hundred posts?
Iso is scum.
vezok is pocketed by Iso.
Grape is super reasonable and chill, but I feel like he makes perfect sense as Iso's scumbuddy.
Mikey basically puts no critical thought into anything and is going with gut.
Tubba thinks I'm scummy for whatever reason.
dawn is MIA.
Rod is occupied with other stuff, and probably not someone I can bounce reads off of.
DoTA is kinda here but probably has a ton of reading to do.
So I'm basically not able to solve the game with any of my townreads.
Grape: whether you're scum or not, my updated hypothesis is that Iso wanted to pocket the Masons before he killed them off. And for that to happen, he really only needed to confirm he knew one on D1. Then he PoE'd the rest to make it look like he knew the whole team.
And I agree that him completely missing vezok's fit over Sentenza is weird. It strongly implies he isn't reading the game.
vote Vaimes
Just die. I don't want to see your posts in the thread any more. I don't even care if you are town, but these insane levels of paranoia are not helping town at all.
I'm just going to convince everyone to vote Vaimes and end the day.
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Unvote, vote Vaimes
L-1.
I hope I'm dead by the time I wake up.
I don't trust this town to lynch Iso, but oh well.
You're about as successful at leading the town as I am, so get off your high horse.
Unvote, vote Tubba
Purely in the interest of preserving the spirit of the game.
But pushing a policy lynch on me just because you don’t like how I’m trying to find the scumteam is completely unacceptable, and you know it.
Feel free to ignore me if it’s really making the game unenjoyable for you. But don’t you dare push that kind of ***** on the other players.
Yeah, this convinced me. I won't join another game with you.
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long time no see. hope you've been contributing to the mason chat. might be best to work without the townclears, just the masons.
left a post to get reactions for when I returned (lazy mode).
Be grateful, always."
and it would be cool if you don't go crazy in ending the day again x.x
Be grateful, always."
I will be back
gonna sleep~
Be grateful, always."
Maybe you can help me with my parody song after this is over. I'm gonna call it "Vindication" sung to the tune of U2's "Elevation".
I think you have some scum to you, but I can't shake the fact that you at least look like you're solving....
Unvote
Vote Iso
I'll compromise between two of my scum reads.
Simply saying "I don't care what you think, I don't like that." is just the worst kind of town play because you're no longer working to solve. NOTHING is solved until three dead scum lay at our feet, and if you don't plan to contribute to that just be quiet and hammer when necessary.
Give me till tomorrow but I think he's onto it. At least about Iso. Might still be wrong on Rodemy. But he's just town here.
He's never scum with Vaimes. Just is never a real combo at all. The strain there earlier was real. And from a game flow PoV there is no reason Vaimes should have turned on Iso like he did. He was lower down the PoE pexking order and they could have let at least one of Rod/Tubba eat a lynch before turning on each other. So yeah never buddies.
I said Tubba and Iso were never buddies earlier and I want a sanity check on that. Is it just wine to figure out if scum!Iso gambiting to pocket masons wouldn't put his buddies in? If he's going for a pocket he needs to be as impressive as possible so I think he'd give his real best shot at a solve. So despite it possibly being wine I think it's real.
So that only leaves Rod outside the derp clear department. And I think he just always needs to be the lynch of the day. Especially if the working theory is that Iso is scum. Assuming I make my sanity check on Tubba.
The only lingering alarm I have with Vaimes is the shade he was directing at me to start the day but given his town read of KJ and the fact that I mostly made that happen I can buy it.
Anyway point is even if Iso is scum, which given Vaimes almost certainly being town now is very likely the case, he's still not as good of a lynch because there is 100% to be at least one scum between Rod and Tubba and solving that before lylo is incredibly important.
Scum shouldn't get a clear to be lynched just because of availability. That's ridiculous. "Iso is scum, but let's find out and lynch his teammates instead"
vote iso grape is next.
Vaimes - Tubba - grape - rodemy. In that order.
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This is gross. Like a: iso hasn't mentioned his availability for this game which right there should say grape/iso scum.
B: The mentality that you think iso is scum but want to lynch his partners first is backwards and seems kinda bussy. Throw shade at partner but then try to distract from him by sending town on a wild goose chase for his partners. Good tactic if his partner is the one suggesting it.
C: it's snowing on mount Fuji.
That loses the game if me and Vaimes are town.
A: I've played a ton of games with Iso. And he has mentioned playing at work overnights this game.
B: I think he's scum (~45%). But I know there is scum in you/Tubba (>85%) and I'm almost certain that Tubba isn't Iso's buddy (but no one is giving me a sanity check on that :/).
C: That's cool.
D: you're ignoring this.
I think Iso is scum, but I don't know that he is. Now that I am confident Vaimes is town at least one of you and Tubba must be scum and possibly both.