@Rumanshi
If you're the likely lynch, and assert that you will flip town, you claim that your play is to provide information for the remaining townies. Why won't you provide more information on your reads? What sort of information are you hoping we'll be able to glean from your back and forth with Iso?
I did, which is what caused the back and forth between us.
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I am also called Riku. I tend to prefer being called riku.
If you ARE town. You are just.. being too petty. Don't get your britches in a bunch man, it's just a game.
But like, your exchange is just.. bad. I don't think you are town and if you are, better luck next time. But nothing you have done in the two MAJOR interactions you have had could tell me otherwise.
That being said. I am busy tonight and wont be able to look at Mickey and Tubba.
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I’m pretty much volume cleared. Never, ever been top poster as scum, never mind by such a big margin. I think I have twice as many posts as the second top poster, maybe more.
UGH. STOP SAYING THESE THINGS.
I want like 4+ here to be like "Yeah he is right!" but like, this screams "LOOK AT ME. I AM SO TOWN" Which i can't stand.
I am going back and forth on you, vaimes. The interaction with ruma was good, but this right here is just. Ugh. It screams "HELLO FELLOW TOWNIES, I AM SOTOWN NO NEED TO LYNCH ME. THE TOWNIEST EVER. (but i am sooo scum muwahahahha)"
Like, you are clearing yourself which is pointless and void of any actual substance to back that up. I, for one, can not confirm that you are "volume cleared." i don't actually think that's a thing? Why are you making it a thing?
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It is a thing? It's very much a thing. Some people (a lot of people, actually) post less as scum. Sometimes a lot less, to the point where it's super obvious. Surely this isn't the first time you've heard of this.
The bolded is also true. I've never been top poster as scum (I don't think I've been second- or third-top either), and I doubt I'll be able to anytime soon. I naturally have a lot less to say as scum and have a harder time making more posts with actual content, so I end up posting less.
After a certain point you're just gonna have to let go of the paranoia before you give yourself a hernia. I am simply never scum here - you (or anyone besides the mafia team, if they're still gonna try and push me, I guess) should be able to tell that I'm working with limited information and have no ulterior motives, aside from "mildly troll people." I'd probably spend less time asserting I'm town if you would stop throwing a fit over it.
um ackshually http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?t=149163
context: flashflash account is me, I was a wolf, I got lynched day 0 and by the end of the entire like 5 or 6 day long game I had the fourth most posts (again, despite being lynched in the first phase)
if vaimes is anything like me, which it seems they are, post count is nowhere near alignment indicative and this is something I can't expect you to get even with your knowledge of game mechanics. Besides, if you actually go and look, a lot of vaimes' individual posts are air. Like the posts where they say "wow I post too much" or "wow I'm so towny"
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I've decided I don't think dbs derpclear is a thing. To me it just means they've blown their shot at mason cover, and I still think killjoy and dbs are scum buddies. I don't think the way dbs was talking about masons implied they were vt, and anyway I think mason dbs could still act like that as a mason (unlikely). Yeah, this dumbtell feels genuine to me, but I'm not ready to lock them in town for it just yet, since they could still be scum.
Someone said they had to "solve [me] and tubba"; to the person who said that, do you find interactions between us weird or do you need to solve the two of us individually? I totally don't remember who said it, but I pay attention when people talk about me. I'll wait for that.
Mindmelding with rod feels good, specifically I want to recall his post (almost seems like a drunkpost?!?) where he just vents with frustration about everything's hard. It's kind of gut-ready, but rod is a strong town read of mine now, probably stronger than anyone besides ruma.
What scum looks up role info on an offsite guide and admits it instead of asking their buddies?
What scum purposefully tries to derpclear with a question like "Are we sure the Masons are town?" I say purposefully because I highly doubt any scum would genuinely wonder that.
Like, dbs responding to "Masons are always town" with "not according to THE GUIDE" is overwhelmingly more likely to come from a player with no inside information, who feels the need to do outside research to understand the game better.
Mindmelding with rod feels good, specifically I want to recall his post (almost seems like a drunkpost?!?) where he just vents with frustration about everything's hard. It's kind of gut-ready, but rod is a strong town read of mine now, probably stronger than anyone besides ruma.
For a person who's ostensibly a villager in a game that's one vote away from lynching someone you think is a villager, you sure don't seem to be that fussed about it.
It's hard when your mason partner is acting scummy
I mean, this looks just like town rumanshi from last game. If I could provide an alternative, his wagon analysis is strong and we should spend some time looking into vezok and iso.
I mean, this looks just like town rumanshi from last game. If I could provide an alternative, his wagon analysis is strong and we should spend some time looking into vezok and iso.
Because I looked at that game and fmpov it looks nothing like him.
Bridge the gap for me please. Try to focus on things that are meaningfully related to one's alignment and not just their personality, because I feel like that's what you've been doing.
I'm not ready to end the day yet because Vezok has turned into a lurker and that is worrying me. I mean I always read him wrong, but I'm also very sure he's scum. And people better at reading than I am (such as Mikey) agree with me. Ruma might be scum too. Probably is. But I also feel like he hasn't gotten a fair shake at all here and has had a couple of glimmers as well as some truly scummy posts.
Vezok just has nothing townie and has that awful Mikey read.
I actually want to hear this extra part about the Mikey case tbh.
Vezok: "I think mikey is scum for [weak reasons]"
Me: "those are pretty weak reasons"
Vezok: "instead, I think mikey is scum for these contradictory reasons"
Grapefruit: "that's scummy dawg"
Basically just vezok having two suspicions of me that seemed unconnected. It makes the reasoning look fake.
I see a parallel between his wagon and the twisted logic he used last game to try and get us to lynch out of the pool of him, vezok, and cantripmancer.
I see a parallel between his comments early this game and the responses he made to me when I pushed for his lynch. Heck, I see a parallel between me and Iso in that situation.
Now that he's under serious threat of dying, like he mentioned, he's giving as much self-info as possible in preparation for his flip. I think if his flip were scum, rumanshi wouldn't put so much effort into it? Like, he's used a lot of energy arguing with iso, and went back and reread players, etc.
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Actually if ruma flips town I will look at his wagon cause he's right about the sweet spot thing lol
If he flips scum I think his wagon is still bussy so either way he dropped us some hints.
I mean a Vezo lynch would have been better but the day was really turning stagnate. And in a game like this dragging out the phase seems counter productive. The lynch was only ever going to be Ruma or Vezo.
@Mikey: Can you please explain or point me to where you have explained your townread of Ruma (without claiming you're Mason's)? Even after Grape's points regarding Ruma's first big post and the Ruma/Vaimes interaction you're still adamant Ruma is town and I don't understand how you've reached that conclusion.
@Grape: Is Mikey the third with you and KJ? It's the only explanation I can think of for why you still have a townread of him.
Where I am right now (lying in bed posting ) on the gamestate:
Town reads until I die (unless something massively drastic happens):
Rodemy/Vaimes: My reads are linked here based mainly on their interactions with one another. Unless they are exactly S/S and have orchestrated an amazing amount of scum theatre there is no way this is a T/S interaction. Both have banged their heads against the wall trying to get through to the other.
Dawningbluesky: The DBS slip looks legit enough that I'm onboard with the lockdown read others have given her. P.S. @DBS: Tom made it very clear in both the signup thread and the opening post of the game that it's 3 scum and 10 town(of which three are masons). I understand what you're saying about what you read offsite about what a mason is but unless Tom has made this a multiball game there is no way the masons are scum here. You can confirm this with him if you really feel it's necessary but trust that there is a reason multiple people have said that masons =/= scum here.
Varying degrees of Town/Null:
Grapefruit21: Grape scares me the same way that Shadow does, his scumgame is strong enough that even if he is town I get paranoid enough to look for reasons to scum read him (read Haiku Mafia for an amazingly bad Shadow conspiracy theory I concocted). Occam's makes me want to believe the Grape/KJ mason team is accurate but Grape is next level enough to claim mason as scum knowing he can explain why he hasn't been NK'd. And there is something he posted earlier that has my paranoia levels at near maximum but I'd rather not hand it to scum on a silver platter. They can work for that bit of info or just kill masonGrape.
Vezokpiraka: I've just played with town Vezok, the game is still ongoing so I can't say too much here other than I'm seeing a similarity that makes me doubt he's scum.
Ganderin_Dan: Nothing jumps out as scum in anything he's posted but he's not on a town level with Rod/Vaimes/DBS.
Sentenza: Unless the scumteam are coaching her on exactly what to say I cannot believe a first time forum player has this strong a scumgame. Her reads and thoughts are easy to follow and the town mindset of solving the game is very evident.
Iso: Replaced into a nonposting slot so too early to form a read. Posts made so far not setting off any alarm bells.
Killjoy: If it wasn't for the Grape/KJ Occam's theory I'd have KJ as null rather than leantown. I need to reread his ISO and the KJ/Vaimes interactions. The fact that several people have expressed scum reads of KJ worries me that I've either missed something or he's a mislynch waiting to happen. In which case, Vote Count Analysis!
MDK:
Rumanshi: Lynch with extreme prejudice. The points raised about his content (or lack thereof) and the differences between Ruma here and in OtG line up with how I was reading him as I caught up. Especially during the Vaimes clash.
Emcee_Mikey: Claimed Ruma here is the same as Ruma in OtG, claimed mason partners with Ruma, refuses to consider any contrary viewpoint regarding Ruma. Either Mikey is town hoping to mason claim a scum player to avoid being the NK or he's scum with Ruma who acts shocked when Ruma flips and falls back on the "was trying to dodge the NK" defense. Or he's scum linking himself to townRuma for cred knowing Ruma is a likely early lynch. I'm thinking we lynch Mikey first, if he flips town/mason it looks a lot better for Ruma.
Tubba: I can't put my finger on it exactly but Tubba just doesn't read as town to me. I wouldn't lock him down as definite scum but he's leanscum for me at the moment. Will need to reread to figure out if I'm just chasing shadows or if there's something there.
Vote: Emcee_Mikey
Hey DotA. I was rereading and noticed something about your reads list. One thing is you combined your leantown and null lists, and the second is that you voted Mikey when you seem to be scumreading Ruma harder.Can you make a clearer list, and can you explain why you voted Mikey over Ruma here? I know it says you think we should lynch Mikey first because it helps clear Ruma but that's weird considering you seem to have thought Ruma was scum.
IDK if I'm explain this well enough.
Like. You want to lynch Mikey because it helps clear Ruma, whereas you're actively thinking Ruma is scum. It feels inconsistant for you to persue that for that reason.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So, there's probably one to two scum on the Ruma wagon, and one to two off. I'm currently leaning towards two of Vezok/Iso/Grape and DotA or Dawn being off the wagon. That does mean that a DotA/Dawn world is less likely.
Tubba could also be scum in this situation, because voting off the wagon and not voting is basically the same.
I feel like in a world where there are already two scum on the Ruma wagon, Grape doesn't hammer like he did. Or maybe at all.
I also noticed that Grape and Vezok voted within 4 posts of each other. These votes moved at some point, but still. Scum with daychat probably don't pile votes on town so close together probably? This probably makes Grape/Vezok less likely, which is interesting because I had Grape and Vezok as part of the same scumteam yesterday.
I plan to do a reread-post soonish, although I'm not sure how soon since my schedule is very weird this week. Lots of early shifts. Probably the earliest I will do it is Tuesday night after like. Midnight PST.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
am I misremembering or does Vaimes into vezok feel sudden?
Not that I care. vote: vezok
Killjoy's wagon analysis is pretty close to what I was going to do, but...
Grape gains townpoints for insta'ing, which is definitely too risky if scum knows he's going to flip. He really thought rumanshi was scum, so I'm putting him in my townpile.
Still unsure about KJ...
I'm looking for 2 scum in vezok/iso/killjoy and one in dota/tubba/dawn.
Vezok/Killjoy/dawn is still on the table
vezok/iso/dota looks possible
I'll wait for everyone to check in at the start of the new day, before explaining my thoughts. And there's scum on the Rumanashi wagon and it ain't me.
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I'll wait for everyone to check in at the start of the new day, before explaining my thoughts. And there's scum on the Rumanashi wagon and it ain't me.
first of all, gross. Second of all, how about you explain your thoughts now so that everyone can read them as they check in?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Hey DotA. I was rereading and noticed something about your reads list. One thing is you combined your leantown and null lists, and the second is that you voted Mikey when you seem to be scumreading Ruma harder.Can you make a clearer list, and can you explain why you voted Mikey over Ruma here? I know it says you think we should lynch Mikey first because it helps clear Ruma but that's weird considering you seem to have thought Ruma was scum.
IDK if I'm explain this well enough.
Like. You want to lynch Mikey because it helps clear Ruma, whereas you're actively thinking Ruma is scum. It feels inconsistant for you to persue that for that reason.
I chose Mikey over Ruma because of a)how he'd "derped" on the mason cover early on and then turned around claimed Mason's with Ruma, who was looking like the likely lynch by that point already and b) if Mikey had flipped scum I think it would looked much better since I doubt scumMikey ties himself that strongly to scumRuma. Had we lynhed Mikey and he'd flipped scum I would have pretty much lock cleared Ruma as town.
@Grape:
1) As KJ pointed out, you and Vezok voted within 4 posts of each other. Isn't it unusual for town to vote with their top scumread?
2) When you voted Ruma, did you believe that he and Vezok could be partners? Can you support such a read?
3) Your post here below:
With Vezok and Mikey tied at two votes a piece how was Vezok "the only other lynch"? With your vote he would have been on three which is still less than halfway to lynch.
Lol
Since when were you suspicious of vezok? I legitimately don't remember you scum reading him, so I thought that was sudden. I don't care much because my Poe leaves you town and him scum.
am I misremembering or does Vaimes into vezok feel sudden?
Not that I care. vote: vezok
So you shade Vaimes' vote, then say screw it and vote along anyway on the fastest growing wagon?
Vote: Emcee_Mikey
Still feeling good about a Mikey flip.
Dear lord. Why are you saying words like "fastest growing wagon" like that's a thing? It had one vote at that point. Mikey's made two. It's hte only wagon.
And whats the point of the "still feeling good" modifier?
Wut.
What do you think of DotA calling the vezok wagon the "fastest growing wagon" when there are literally no other wagons, and there was one vote on him to begin with?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
This was the core of Rodemy's D1 - pushing, at various times, myself, Vaimes, DoTArchon, and Killjoy.
This is the team he was pushing most of the Day, though he spent a considerable amount of time pushing Vaimes (more on this later).
This is Rodemy thumbs-uping a post that's deflecting off a Rumanshi scumread.
This is Rodemy mostly shading Vaimes, and throwing in a read of Rumanshi where he calls a post "just bratty" and accuses him of being "petty" and "also not giving reads."
He then votes Rumanshi as the fifth vote on the wagon, putting him at L-2.
Finally, this is Rodemy expressing surprise that I'd want to kill him if Rumanshi flipped villager, his argument being that Vaimes and Iso are pushing Rumanshi harder, and completely whiffing on the very obvious implication of him voting with Vaimes here.
I did, which is what caused the back and forth between us.
Ruma.
If you ARE town. You are just.. being too petty. Don't get your britches in a bunch man, it's just a game.
But like, your exchange is just.. bad. I don't think you are town and if you are, better luck next time. But nothing you have done in the two MAJOR interactions you have had could tell me otherwise.
That being said. I am busy tonight and wont be able to look at Mickey and Tubba.
UGH. STOP SAYING THESE THINGS.
I want like 4+ here to be like "Yeah he is right!" but like, this screams "LOOK AT ME. I AM SO TOWN" Which i can't stand.
I am going back and forth on you, vaimes. The interaction with ruma was good, but this right here is just. Ugh. It screams "HELLO FELLOW TOWNIES, I AM SOTOWN NO NEED TO LYNCH ME. THE TOWNIEST EVER. (but i am sooo scum muwahahahha)"
Like, you are clearing yourself which is pointless and void of any actual substance to back that up. I, for one, can not confirm that you are "volume cleared." i don't actually think that's a thing? Why are you making it a thing?
The bolded is also true. I've never been top poster as scum (I don't think I've been second- or third-top either), and I doubt I'll be able to anytime soon. I naturally have a lot less to say as scum and have a harder time making more posts with actual content, so I end up posting less.
After a certain point you're just gonna have to let go of the paranoia before you give yourself a hernia. I am simply never scum here - you (or anyone besides the mafia team, if they're still gonna try and push me, I guess) should be able to tell that I'm working with limited information and have no ulterior motives, aside from "mildly troll people." I'd probably spend less time asserting I'm town if you would stop throwing a fit over it.
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?t=149163
context: flashflash account is me, I was a wolf, I got lynched day 0 and by the end of the entire like 5 or 6 day long game I had the fourth most posts (again, despite being lynched in the first phase)
if vaimes is anything like me, which it seems they are, post count is nowhere near alignment indicative and this is something I can't expect you to get even with your knowledge of game mechanics. Besides, if you actually go and look, a lot of vaimes' individual posts are air. Like the posts where they say "wow I post too much" or "wow I'm so towny"
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I've decided I don't think dbs derpclear is a thing. To me it just means they've blown their shot at mason cover, and I still think killjoy and dbs are scum buddies. I don't think the way dbs was talking about masons implied they were vt, and anyway I think mason dbs could still act like that as a mason (unlikely). Yeah, this dumbtell feels genuine to me, but I'm not ready to lock them in town for it just yet, since they could still be scum.
Someone said they had to "solve [me] and tubba"; to the person who said that, do you find interactions between us weird or do you need to solve the two of us individually? I totally don't remember who said it, but I pay attention when people talk about me. I'll wait for that.
Mindmelding with rod feels good, specifically I want to recall his post (almost seems like a drunkpost?!?) where he just vents with frustration about everything's hard. It's kind of gut-ready, but rod is a strong town read of mine now, probably stronger than anyone besides ruma.
What scum purposefully tries to derpclear with a question like "Are we sure the Masons are town?" I say purposefully because I highly doubt any scum would genuinely wonder that.
It's hard when your mason partner is acting scummy
Bridge the gap for me please. Try to focus on things that are meaningfully related to one's alignment and not just their personality, because I feel like that's what you've been doing.
Vezok just has nothing townie and has that awful Mikey read.
Speaking of fixed your summary for you Mikey.
I see a parallel between his comments early this game and the responses he made to me when I pushed for his lynch. Heck, I see a parallel between me and Iso in that situation.
Now that he's under serious threat of dying, like he mentioned, he's giving as much self-info as possible in preparation for his flip. I think if his flip were scum, rumanshi wouldn't put so much effort into it? Like, he's used a lot of energy arguing with iso, and went back and reread players, etc.
That probably means something, but wine isn't helping me comprehend that something.
Vote: Ruma
why do you hate fun
Y'all are right rumanshi is acting totally weird and I couldn't vote for him cause mason cover...
Please don't flip mason, that's all I'm asking.
I guess you could say that Vaimes is the...lamist.
I know it's your first game, but I'm disappointed you actually believed Mikey, here, given Rumanshi's painfully scummy behavior.
Oh boy, let's talk! Tell me aaallllll about how great Rumanshi's wagon analysis is as it relates to the context I dismantled it with.
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Shoot me you coward.
If he flips scum I think his wagon is still bussy so either way he dropped us some hints.
Ruma (7) - Vaimes, Sentenza, Vezok, Iso, Rodemy, dan, grape
Vezok (2) - Ruma, Mikey
Mikey (2) - Dawn, dota
Vaimes (1) - Killjoy
Not voting: tubba
That is a lynch.
Rumanshi has died at the hands of his friends (and enemies?).
He was:
Loyal friend
Lover of whitecastle
Too good for this world
Night 1 will last a little under 48 hours, not cuz y'all need that time but because that's when I'll be free.
Gandering Dan has died at the hands of his enemies (or friends?).
He was
Vanilla Town
It is now day 2. With 11 alive, 6 to lynch.
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IDK if I'm explain this well enough.
Like. You want to lynch Mikey because it helps clear Ruma, whereas you're actively thinking Ruma is scum. It feels inconsistant for you to persue that for that reason.
Hey Dan put that ***** in the spec thread if you're there so I know.
Anywho.
So, there's probably one to two scum on the Ruma wagon, and one to two off. I'm currently leaning towards two of Vezok/Iso/Grape and DotA or Dawn being off the wagon. That does mean that a DotA/Dawn world is less likely.
Tubba could also be scum in this situation, because voting off the wagon and not voting is basically the same.
I feel like in a world where there are already two scum on the Ruma wagon, Grape doesn't hammer like he did. Or maybe at all.
I also noticed that Grape and Vezok voted within 4 posts of each other. These votes moved at some point, but still. Scum with daychat probably don't pile votes on town so close together probably? This probably makes Grape/Vezok less likely, which is interesting because I had Grape and Vezok as part of the same scumteam yesterday.
I plan to do a reread-post soonish, although I'm not sure how soon since my schedule is very weird this week. Lots of early shifts. Probably the earliest I will do it is Tuesday night after like. Midnight PST.
I think Killjoy can be town.
Vote vezok
Let’s try hitting this piñata.
Not that I care.
vote: vezok
Killjoy's wagon analysis is pretty close to what I was going to do, but...
Grape gains townpoints for insta'ing, which is definitely too risky if scum knows he's going to flip. He really thought rumanshi was scum, so I'm putting him in my townpile.
Still unsure about KJ...
I'm looking for 2 scum in vezok/iso/killjoy and one in dota/tubba/dawn.
Vezok/Killjoy/dawn is still on the table
vezok/iso/dota looks possible
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first of all, gross. Second of all, how about you explain your thoughts now so that everyone can read them as they check in?
Sure.
Reads list simplified(as it stood then):
T: Rodemy, Vaimes, Dawningbluesky
LT: Killjoy, Sentenza, Vezokpiraka
N: Grapefruit, Ganderin_Dan
LS: Tubba Fett
S: Emcee_Mikey, Rumanshi
I chose Mikey over Ruma because of a)how he'd "derped" on the mason cover early on and then turned around claimed Mason's with Ruma, who was looking like the likely lynch by that point already and b) if Mikey had flipped scum I think it would looked much better since I doubt scumMikey ties himself that strongly to scumRuma. Had we lynhed Mikey and he'd flipped scum I would have pretty much lock cleared Ruma as town.
@Grape:
1) As KJ pointed out, you and Vezok voted within 4 posts of each other. Isn't it unusual for town to vote with their top scumread?
2) When you voted Ruma, did you believe that he and Vezok could be partners? Can you support such a read?
3) Your post here below: With Vezok and Mikey tied at two votes a piece how was Vezok "the only other lynch"? With your vote he would have been on three which is still less than halfway to lynch.
Vote: Emcee_Mikey
Still feeling good about a Mikey flip.
Mikey, defend yourself.
Since when were you suspicious of vezok? I legitimately don't remember you scum reading him, so I thought that was sudden. I don't care much because my Poe leaves you town and him scum.
And whats the point of the "still feeling good" modifier?
Wut.
Wut.
Vote DotA
What do you think of DotA calling the vezok wagon the "fastest growing wagon" when there are literally no other wagons, and there was one vote on him to begin with?
girl thingsBe grateful, always."
guess I gotta reread the thread lul
killjoy's sudden activity this phase is making me nervous
but vezok is still scummier.
but I like rod